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 by: Travoltron - Sun, 10 Apr 2022 19:39 UTC

The answer is yes. Yes it does.

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 by: Your Name - Sun, 10 Apr 2022 22:11 UTC

On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:

> The answer is yes. Yes it does.

It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"
and then got even suckier with the second reboot attempt by JarJar
Abrams. At this point real "Star Trek" has been long dead. :-(

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 by: The Doctor - Sun, 10 Apr 2022 23:12 UTC

In article <t2vkmf$mtv$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:
>
>> The answer is yes. Yes it does.
>
>It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"
>and then got even suckier with the second reboot attempt by JarJar
>Abrams. At this point real "Star Trek" has been long dead. :-(
>

And then there is Chibnall and Doctor Who!
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 by: Ant - Mon, 11 Apr 2022 04:27 UTC

In rec.arts.startrek.current The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> In article <t2vkmf$mtv$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> >On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:
> >
> >> The answer is yes. Yes it does.
> >
> >It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"
> >and then got even suckier with the second reboot attempt by JarJar
> >Abrams. At this point real "Star Trek" has been long dead. :-(
> >

> And then there is Chibnall and Doctor Who!

Star Wars, etc.
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 by: pehache - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 09:40 UTC

Le 10/04/2022 à 21:39, Travoltron a écrit :

> The answer is yes. Yes it does.

Definitely

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 by: pehache - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 09:44 UTC

Le 11/04/2022 à 00:11, Your Name a écrit :
> On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:
>
>> The answer is yes. Yes it does.
>
> It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"

"Enterprise" is not a reboot, rather a prequel. And in contrast to the
2009+ fake-trek, ENT is fully consistent with the existing universe, built
by TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY
> and then got even suckier with the second reboot attempt by JarJar
> Abrams. At this point real "Star Trek" has been long dead. :-(

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 by: Your Name - Tue, 26 Apr 2022 20:40 UTC

On 2022-04-26 09:44:38 +0000, pehache said:
> Le 11/04/2022 à 00:11, Your Name a écrit :
>> On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:
>>>
>>> The answer is yes. Yes it does.
>>
>> It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"
>
> "Enterprise" is not a reboot, rather a prequel.

It was both - it was a reboot set before Kirk's time. Beavis & Butthead
were trying to reboot the franchise due to supposed "franchise fatigue"
after TNG, DS9, VOY, and TNG movies.

> And in contrast to the 2009+ fake-trek, ENT is fully consistent with
> the existing universe, built by TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY

Not only did it not consisent with the then-existing universe, they
purposely tried to distance it by not calling it "Star Trek:
Enterprise", and then at the end tried to retro-fit it by making it all
a silly Holodreck fantasy.

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 by: Travoltron - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 00:55 UTC

Dark days. All our favorite "franchises' (hate that term) have been
entrusted to legit imbeciles.
These people have no life experience. They go right from university to
industry jobs that daddy got them. The most worthless, vapid people on
earth.

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From: pehach...@gmail.com (pehache)
 by: pehache - Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:29 UTC

Le 26/04/2022 à 22:40, Your Name a écrit :
> On 2022-04-26 09:44:38 +0000, pehache said:
>> Le 11/04/2022 à 00:11, Your Name a écrit :
>>> On 2022-04-10 19:39:51 +0000, Travoltron said:
>>>>
>>>> The answer is yes. Yes it does.
>>>
>>> It started sucking with the first idiotic reboot attempt "Enterprise"
>>
>> "Enterprise" is not a reboot, rather a prequel.
>
> It was both - it was a reboot set before Kirk's time. Beavis & Butthead
> were trying to reboot the franchise due to supposed "franchise fatigue"
> after TNG, DS9, VOY, and TNG movies.
>
>
>
>> And in contrast to the 2009+ fake-trek, ENT is fully consistent with
>> the existing universe, built by TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY
>
> Not only did it not consisent with the then-existing universe,

What is not consistent, precisely ? I mean speaking about important
inconsistencies, not about inconsistent details that happened also in all
the previous shows and that are impossible to completely avoid during
almost 800 episodes and 10 movies.

On the other hand, Enterprise for instance :
- gave an explanation to the Klingon change of appearance between TOS and
TNG
- established how and why the human race took a kind of lead in the
Federation. This was given for granted in the previous, but was somehow
strange if you consider that the Vulcan for instance were much more
advance than the human at that times, both technologically and ethically.

> they
> purposely tried to distance it by not calling it "Star Trek:
> Enterprise",

Just a name... What is important is the content. "Discovery" and "Picard"
both display the "Star Trek" name, but are much less "Star Trek" than any
of the previous shows.

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 by: DaveJohn...@nomail. - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 04:24 UTC

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:39:51 -0700, Travoltron
<travoltron@defender.uni> wrote:

>The answer is yes. Yes it does.

I gave up on STD after 4 seasons. It's too political and the main
character whispers most of her lines for dramatic effect. I don't like
her acting.
Season 1 of Peecard was alright asside from some of the woke aspects.
Season 2 became more obnoxious with the producer forcing his politics
on us. I hope I don't watch season 3.
Strange New World varied between okay and not interesting. Having a
man play the role of a slender woman will make some people happy. It's
part of the producer's politics. I didn't appreciate it.
CBS has mostly ruined Star Trek for many fans of the first 5 tv
series.

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On 2022-08-24 04:24:37 +0000, DaveJohnson12@nomail. said:

> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:39:51 -0700, Travoltron
> <travoltron@defender.uni> wrote:
>
>> The answer is yes. Yes it does.
>
> I gave up on STD after 4 seasons. It's too political and the main
> character whispers most of her lines for dramatic effect. I don't like
> her acting.
> Season 1 of Peecard was alright asside from some of the woke aspects.
> Season 2 became more obnoxious with the producer forcing his politics
> on us. I hope I don't watch season 3.
> Strange New World varied between okay and not interesting. Having a
> man play the role of a slender woman will make some people happy. It's
> part of the producer's politics. I didn't appreciate it.
> CBS has mostly ruined Star Trek for many fans of the first 5 tv
> series.

There's only four TV series:

- Star Trek [the original show]
- Star Trek: The Next Generation
- Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
- Star Trek: Voyager

Five, I guess, if you include the original animated "Star Trek" show.

Plus of course the first few movies, although the 'save the whales' one
was rather silly.

After that it you get the ridiculous reboot garbage beginning -
"Enterprise" (note it doesn't even have "Star Trek" in the title being
a massive clue) and then followed by JarJar Abrams even worse movies.

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DaveJohnson12@nomail. writes:

>
> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:39:51 -0700, Travoltron
> <travoltron@defender.uni> wrote:
>
>>The answer is yes. Yes it does.
>
> I gave up on STD after 4 seasons. It's too political and the main
> character whispers most of her lines for dramatic effect. I don't like
> her acting.
> Season 1 of Peecard was alright asside from some of the woke aspects.
> Season 2 became more obnoxious with the producer forcing his politics
> on us. I hope I don't watch season 3.

Imagine if TOS had included woke bullshit. You would have had a black
woman on the bridge who wasn't there just to clean it. Or planets that
were just heavy-handed metaphors for US 1960s race relations.

Or if Deep Space Nine were woke... the Ferengi would have been quoting
Marx!

--
Elim Garak
Just a plain and simple tailor.

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It's not just Star Trek:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFz_00sC7mo7Zu5GSSj9hqJ8G3faYyhLK

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 by: Your Name - Sun, 11 Sep 2022 22:30 UTC

On 2022-09-11 21:44:12 +0000, dumpster4@hotmail.com said:
>
> It's not just Star Trek:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFz_00sC7mo7Zu5GSSj9hqJ8G3faYyhLK

The biggest reason is that Hollyweird is infested with a lazy,
talentless generation who *think* they know better than the original's
creator what it "should" be ... and 99.99% of the time prove they
haven't got a clue. :-(

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On 2022-09-11, dumpster4@hotmail.com <dumpster4@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It's not just Star Trek:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFz_00sC7mo7Zu5GSSj9hqJ8G3faYyhLK

If anyone has the courage to bravely do an "experimental" 1950's style hero
movie--Star Trek or otherwise--I predict it would be *very* successful
despite a firestorm of (predictable) criticism.

Do I hold my breath in hopes that this might actually occur?

.......no.

pH in Aptos

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 by: dumpster4@hotmail.co - Mon, 12 Sep 2022 20:20 UTC

On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 7:56:51 PM UTC-7, pH wrote:
> On 2022-09-11, dump...@hotmail.com <dump...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > It's not just Star Trek:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFz_00sC7mo7Zu5GSSj9hqJ8G3faYyhLK
> If anyone has the courage to bravely do an "experimental" 1950's style hero
> movie--Star Trek or otherwise--I predict it would be *very* successful
> despite a firestorm of (predictable) criticism.
>
> Do I hold my breath in hopes that this might actually occur?
>
> ......no.
>
>
> pH in Aptos

Hollywoke doesn't like Capt. Kirk and his ilk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heDoY1dALoA

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 by: pehache - Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:08 UTC

Le 24/08/2022 à 06:19, Your Name a écrit :
> On 2022-08-24 04:24:37 +0000, DaveJohnson12@nomail. said:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:39:51 -0700, Travoltron
>> <travoltron@defender.uni> wrote:
>>
>>> The answer is yes. Yes it does.
>>
>> I gave up on STD after 4 seasons. It's too political and the main
>> character whispers most of her lines for dramatic effect. I don't like
>> her acting.
>> Season 1 of Peecard was alright asside from some of the woke aspects.
>> Season 2 became more obnoxious with the producer forcing his politics
>> on us. I hope I don't watch season 3.
>> Strange New World varied between okay and not interesting. Having a
>> man play the role of a slender woman will make some people happy. It's
>> part of the producer's politics. I didn't appreciate it.
>> CBS has mostly ruined Star Trek for many fans of the first 5 tv
>> series.
>
> There's only four TV series:
>
>  - Star Trek [the original show]
>  - Star Trek: The Next Generation
>  - Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
>  - Star Trek: Voyager
>
> Five, I guess, if you include the original animated "Star Trek" show.
>
> Plus of course the first few movies, although the 'save the whales' one
> was rather silly.
>
> After that it you get the ridiculous reboot garbage beginning -
> "Enterprise" (note it doesn't even have "Star Trek" in the title being a
> massive clue) and then followed by JarJar Abrams even worse movies.

Enterprise is fully part of the historical ST and retains all the spirit
of ST.

--
"...sois ouvert aux idées des autres pour peu qu'elles aillent dans le
même sens que les tiennes.", ST sur fr.bio.medecine
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On 2022-09-13 18:08:17 +0000, pehache said:

> Le 24/08/2022 à 06:19, Your Name a écrit :
>> On 2022-08-24 04:24:37 +0000, DaveJohnson12@nomail. said:
>>
>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 12:39:51 -0700, Travoltron
>>> <travoltron@defender.uni> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The answer is yes. Yes it does.
>>>
>>> I gave up on STD after 4 seasons. It's too political and the main
>>> character whispers most of her lines for dramatic effect. I don't like
>>> her acting.
>>> Season 1 of Peecard was alright asside from some of the woke aspects.
>>> Season 2 became more obnoxious with the producer forcing his politics
>>> on us. I hope I don't watch season 3.
>>> Strange New World varied between okay and not interesting. Having a
>>> man play the role of a slender woman will make some people happy. It's
>>> part of the producer's politics. I didn't appreciate it.
>>> CBS has mostly ruined Star Trek for many fans of the first 5 tv
>>> series.
>>
>> There's only four TV series:
>>
>>  - Star Trek [the original show]
>>  - Star Trek: The Next Generation
>>  - Star Trek: Deep Space Nine
>>  - Star Trek: Voyager
>>
>> Five, I guess, if you include the original animated "Star Trek" show.
>>
>> Plus of course the first few movies, although the 'save the whales' one
>> was rather silly.
>>
>> After that it you get the ridiculous reboot garbage beginning -
>> "Enterprise" (note it doesn't even have "Star Trek" in the title being
>> a massive clue) and then followed by JarJar Abrams even worse movies.
>
> Enterprise is fully part of the historical ST and retains all the spirit of ST.

"Enterprise" was the first crappy reboot attempt. The idiots making it
even said they were making a "Star Trek" show to try to appeal to
non-Star Trek fans (hence leaving "Star Trek" out of the title) ...
what they ended up with was a show that didn't appeal to most Star Trek
fans either.

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 by: pehache - Fri, 16 Sep 2022 19:04 UTC

Le 13/09/2022 à 22:34, Your Name a écrit :

>>>
>>> After that it you get the ridiculous reboot garbage beginning -
>>> "Enterprise" (note it doesn't even have "Star Trek" in the title
>>> being a massive clue) and then followed by JarJar Abrams even worse
>>> movies.
>>
>> Enterprise is fully part of the historical ST and retains all the
>> spirit of ST.
>
> "Enterprise" was the first crappy reboot attempt.

It's not a reboot it's a prequel.

> The idiots making it
> even said they were making a "Star Trek" show to try to appeal to
> non-Star Trek fans (hence leaving "Star Trek" out of the title) ... what
> they ended up with was a show that didn't appeal to most Star Trek fans
> either.

Last time I asked, you have been unable to list any significant
inconsistency between ENT and the other shows.

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 by: Your Name - Fri, 16 Sep 2022 22:42 UTC

On 2022-09-16 19:04:17 +0000, pehache said:

> Le 13/09/2022 à 22:34, Your Name a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> After that it you get the ridiculous reboot garbage beginning -
>>>> "Enterprise" (note it doesn't even have "Star Trek" in the title being
>>>> a massive clue) and then followed by JarJar Abrams even worse movies.
>>>
>>> Enterprise is fully part of the historical ST and retains all the spirit of ST.
>>
>> "Enterprise" was the first crappy reboot attempt.
>
> It's not a reboot it's a prequel.

It's a supposed prequel that in reality is just another reboot.

It's possible to be termed both, or in other examples it can be a
sequel and a reboot. They do it often. Simply saying it is set
earlier/later in the timeline doens't actually mean it fits with
existing content or does not make idiotic changes for the sake of it.
The up-coming new "Quantum Leap" is supposedly a sequel, but similarly
is in reality just a reboot. Another example was the "Knight Rider"
(using a crappy Mustang).

>> The idiots making it even said they were making a "Star Trek" show to
>> try to appeal to non-Star Trek fans (hence leaving "Star Trek" out of
>> the title) ... what they ended up with was a show that didn't appeal to
>> most Star Trek fans either.
>
> Last time I asked, you have been unable to list any significant
> inconsistency between ENT and the other shows.

There are many lists available all over the internet of the problems
with "Enterprise", starting with the opening song and the lack of "Star
Trek" in the title, and going on from there (including the soft-porn
"oil me up, Scotty" decontamination scenes). Hell, even Beavis &
Butthead making it reportedly said they were making it for non-Star
Trek fans, which includes making idiotic changes.

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 by: pH - Fri, 16 Sep 2022 23:17 UTC

On 2022-09-12, dumpster4@hotmail.com <dumpster4@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, September 11, 2022 at 7:56:51 PM UTC-7, pH wrote:
>> On 2022-09-11, dump...@hotmail.com <dump...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > It's not just Star Trek:
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFz_00sC7mo7Zu5GSSj9hqJ8G3faYyhLK
>> If anyone has the courage to bravely do an "experimental" 1950's style hero
>> movie--Star Trek or otherwise--I predict it would be *very* successful
>> despite a firestorm of (predictable) criticism.
>>
>> Do I hold my breath in hopes that this might actually occur?
>>
>> ......no.
>>
>>
>> pH in Aptos
>
>
> Hollywoke doesn't like Capt. Kirk and his ilk:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heDoY1dALoA

I went and watched this....thank-you for this link.

pH

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 by: pehache - Sat, 17 Sep 2022 13:43 UTC

Le 17/09/2022 à 00:42, Your Name a écrit :
>>> "Enterprise" was the first crappy reboot attempt.
>>
>> It's not a reboot it's a prequel.
>
> It's a supposed prequel that in reality is just another reboot.
>
> It's possible to be termed both, or in other examples it can be a sequel
> and a reboot. They do it often. Simply saying it is set earlier/later in
> the timeline doens't actually mean it fits with existing content or does
> not make idiotic changes for the sake of it. The up-coming new "Quantum
> Leap" is supposedly a sequel, but similarly is in reality just a reboot.
> Another example was the "Knight Rider" (using a crappy Mustang).
>

Still, Enterprise is a prequel, not a reboot.

If it had been a reboot, all the events of the previous series could
have been simply ignored and for example they wouldn't have bothered to
give an explanation to the change of look of the Klingons between TOS
and TNG. And it's just an example, Enterprise has considerably
consolidated the Star Trek worldbuilding (the episode with the Borgs,
that tell what happened to them after "First contact", the episode with
the Defiant that links to TOS "The Tholian Web", etc...)

>
>
>>> The idiots making it even said they were making a "Star Trek" show to
>>> try to appeal to non-Star Trek fans (hence leaving "Star Trek" out of
>>> the title) ... what they ended up with was a show that didn't appeal
>>> to most Star Trek fans either.
>>
>> Last time I asked, you have been unable to list any significant
>> inconsistency between ENT and the other shows.
>
> There are many lists available all over the internet of the problems
> with "Enterprise",

I am not asking the internet, I am asking you.

> starting with the opening song

With is the inconsistency introduced by the opening song?

> and the lack of "Star
> Trek" in the title,

Decision of Paramount, not of the showrunners. The title doesn't matter,
what matters is the content.

> and going on from there

Where's the list ?

> (including the soft-porn
> "oil me up, Scotty" decontamination scenes).

Sure, for instance we had never seen before in Star Trek sexy girls that
made the male audience crazy...

Oh, wait...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaASUaPVAAEV80e?format=png
https://i.imgur.com/kuYh7DP.jpeg

> Hell, even Beavis &
> Butthead making it reportedly said they were making it for non-Star Trek
> fans, which includes making idiotic changes.

I'd like to see a (supposed) citation in context, not interpreted.

During the last years of Voyager and during all Enterprise, Berman has
been constantly accused of being a temple guardian and denying
substantive developments in Star Trek. He resisted as much as he could
the studio's demands to make the show more mainstream.

I'm still waiting for a solid list, not just about a song or a title.

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 by: Your Name - Sat, 17 Sep 2022 21:47 UTC

On 2022-09-17 13:43:53 +0000, pehache said:

> Le 17/09/2022 à 00:42, Your Name a écrit :
>>>> "Enterprise" was the first crappy reboot attempt.
>>>
>>> It's not a reboot it's a prequel.
>>
>> It's a supposed prequel that in reality is just another reboot.
>>
>> It's possible to be termed both, or in other examples it can be a
>> sequel and a reboot. They do it often. Simply saying it is set
>> earlier/later in the timeline doens't actually mean it fits with
>> existing content or does not make idiotic changes for the sake of it.
>> The up-coming new "Quantum Leap" is supposedly a sequel, but similarly
>> is in reality just a reboot. Another example was the "Knight Rider"
>> (using a crappy Mustang).
>>
>
> Still, Enterprise is a prequel, not a reboot.
<snip>

Another braindead numbnut with the reading comprehension of a dried dog
poo for the killfile. :-\

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 by: pehache - Mon, 19 Sep 2022 12:02 UTC

Le 17/09/2022 à 23:47, Your Name a écrit :
> On 2022-09-17 13:43:53 +0000, pehache said:
>
>> Le 17/09/2022 à 00:42, Your Name a écrit :
>>>>> "Enterprise" was the first crappy reboot attempt.
>>>>
>>>> It's not a reboot it's a prequel.
>>>
>>> It's a supposed prequel that in reality is just another reboot.
>>>
>>> It's possible to be termed both, or in other examples it can be a
>>> sequel and a reboot. They do it often. Simply saying it is set
>>> earlier/later in the timeline doens't actually mean it fits with
>>> existing content or does not make idiotic changes for the sake of it.
>>> The up-coming new "Quantum Leap" is supposedly a sequel, but
>>> similarly is in reality just a reboot. Another example was the
>>> "Knight Rider" (using a crappy Mustang).
>>>
>>
>> Still, Enterprise is a prequel, not a reboot.
> <snip>
>
> Another braindead numbnut with the reading comprehension of a dried dog
> poo for the killfile.  :-\
>

And still no list of significant inconsistency that would make
Enterprise a reboot. You are barking like a dog "reboot! reboot!
reboot!" without knowing why you are barking.

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 by: Travoltron - Tue, 20 Sep 2022 22:44 UTC

I don't hate Enterprise. I've seen maybe half of the episodes, off and
on. But there were a lot of inconsistencies and canon violations.
Prequels almost always do this.

I recall contact with the Gorn, Ferengi, and Borg long before that
should have happened.

Also, why are the Xindi NEVER mentioned again in the other Trek shows,
even though they were a major power and fought a war with Earth? Again,
prequels cause problems.

Also, the idea that mind melds were forbidden was dumb.

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