Dear ALUPers,

This year Eid-ul-Fitr (chhoTii Eid) is likely to be on Thursday. I know that with the havocs of Covid-19, people's lives have been devastated all over the world but especially in India. Now for the past of couple of days there is news of absolute tragedy and turmoil facing the people of Palestine. With all this happening around us, it is hardly the occasion to celebrate. But happiness and sorrow seem to go hand in hand and with this in mind, let's have a few ash3aar on the occasion of Eid.

mil ke hotii thii kabhii Eid bhii Divaalii bhii
ab yih Haalat hai kih Dar Dar ke gale milte haiN

gum-naam

jis taraf tuu hai udhar hoNgii sabhii kii nazreN
Eid ke chaaNd kaa diidaar bahaanah hii sahii

Amjad Islam Amjad

jo log guzarte haiN musalsal rah-i-dil se
din Eid kaa un ko ho mubaarak tah-i-dil se

Obaid Azam Azami

mah-i-nau dekhne tum chhat pih nah jaanaa hargiz
shahr meN Eid kii taariix badal jaa'e gii

Jaleel Nizami

Eid ke ba3d vuh milkne ke liye aa'e haiN
Eid kaa chaaNd nazar aane lagaa Eid ke ba3d

gum-naam

Naseer

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 2:22:28 PM UTC-7, Naseer wrote:
> Dear ALUPers,
>
> This year Eid-ul-Fitr (chhoTii Eid) is likely to be on Thursday. I know that with the havocs of Covid-19, people's lives have been devastated all over the world but especially in India. Now for the past of couple of days there is news of absolute tragedy and turmoil facing the people of Palestine. With all this happening around us, it is hardly the occasion to celebrate. But happiness and sorrow seem to go hand in hand and with this in mind, let's have a few ash3aar on the occasion of Eid.
>

> Eid ke ba3d vuh "milkne" ke liye aa'e haiN
>
***vaah, vaah ---- Eid ki taqreeb par kyaa Khuub 'verb' nikaalaa hai aap ne! ;-)

R.K.***

On Wednesday, 12 May 2021 at 00:19:05 UTC+1, Raj Kumar wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 2:22:28 PM UTC-7, Naseer wrote:
> > Dear ALUPers,
> >
> > This year Eid-ul-Fitr (chhoTii Eid) is likely to be on Thursday. I know that with the havocs of Covid-19, people's lives have been devastated all over the world but especially in India. Now for the past of couple of days there is news of absolute tragedy and turmoil facing the people of Palestine. With all this happening around us, it is hardly the occasion to celebrate. But happiness and sorrow seem to go hand in hand and with this in mind, let's have a few ash3aar on the occasion of Eid.
> >
> > Eid ke ba3d vuh "milkne" ke liye aa'e haiN
> >
> ***vaah, vaah ---- Eid ki taqreeb par kyaa Khuub 'verb' nikaalaa hai aap ne! ;-)
>
> R.K.***

Raj Kumar SaaHib, aadaab.

kabhii-kabhaar balkih shaaz-o-naadir hii mere haathoN bhii ko'ii taxliiqii kaam sar-anjaam ho jaataa hai:-) lekin kyaa karuuN? inkisaarii-o-3aajizii kaa baar nah hotaa to maiN bhii apnaa DaNkaa bajaataa phirtaa aur apne muNh MiyaaN MiTThuu kahlaataa! ba-har Haal, aap ne mujhe daad de kar merii himmat-afzaa'ii kii hai. bahut bahut shukriya. is se baRh kar maiN aap kaa is binaa par intihaa'ii shukr-guzaar huuN kih aap ne merii miiThii Eid meN mil kar ise aur bhii miiThaa kar diyaa hai! aate rahiye aur is kii shiiriinii meN shiir-o-shakkar Daalte rahiye. navaazish ho gii.

Naseer

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 3:08:21 AM UTC-7, Naseer wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12 May 2021 at 00:19:05 UTC+1, Raj Kumar wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 2:22:28 PM UTC-7, Naseer wrote:
> > > Dear ALUPers,
> > >
> > > This year Eid-ul-Fitr (chhoTii Eid) is likely to be on Thursday. I know that with the havocs of Covid-19, people's lives have been devastated all over the world but especially in India. Now for the past of couple of days there is news of absolute tragedy and turmoil facing the people of Palestine. With all this happening around us, it is hardly the occasion to celebrate. But happiness and sorrow seem to go hand in hand and with this in mind, let's have a few ash3aar on the occasion of Eid.
> > >
> > > Eid ke ba3d vuh "milkne" ke liye aa'e haiN
> > >
> > ***vaah, vaah ---- Eid ki taqreeb par kyaa Khuub 'verb' nikaalaa hai aap ne! ;-)
> >
> > R.K.***

--------------------

> Raj Kumar SaaHib, aadaab.
>
> kabhii-kabhaar balkih shaaz-o-naadir hii mere haathoN bhii ko'ii taxliiqii kaam sar-anjaam ho jaataa hai. :-)

***aahuu-e-taataar-e-man, naaqah-e-sayyaar-e-man, aNdak-o-basyaar-e-man
tez-tark gaam zan, manzil-e-maa duur nest!

janaab-e-man, aap ne aek naye 'verb' ki taKhliiq kii hai, jis ke liye aap yaqeenan mubaarak-baad ke mustaHiq haiN --- so aap meri jaanib se "Dher saari mubaarak-baad" qubuul farmaaiye!

is baat par aap mundaraja-zail she'r paRhiye aur gahri soch meN Duub jaaiye k "kyaa Ghazab ki taKhliiq Husn vaaloN meN hai aur kyaa Ghazab ki taKhliiq is shaa'ir ne dikhaa'ii hai". arz hai

Husn meN taKhliiq kaa pahluu bhi hai
"maiN" kahaa us ne to "ham" paidaa hu'aa
[Arsh Malsiyaani] ***

> lekin kyaa karuuN? inkisaarii-o-3aajizii kaa baar nah hotaa to maiN bhii apnaa DaNkaa bajaataa phirtaa aur apne muNh MiyaaN
> MiTThuu kahlaataa!

***baat to aap ki saHiiH hai magar samajh meN nahiiN aayaa k yahaaN ishaara kis "MiyaaN MiTThuu" ki jaanib hai. kahiiN Qais Adamabadi ki jaanb to nahiiN? :-( yaa :-)
***

> ba-har-Haal, aap ne mujhe daad de kar merii himmat-afzaa'ii kii hai. bahut bahut shukriya. is se baRh kar maiN aap kaa is binaa par
> intihaa'ii shukr-guzaar huuN kih aap ne merii miiThii Eid meN mil kar ise aur bhii miiThaa kar diyaa hai! aate rahiye aur is kii shiiriinii > meN shiir-o-shakkar Daalte rahiye. navaazish ho gii.

***chaliye, aap kahte haiN to maiN aek she'r ki madad se aap ki Eid ko Miithii se *MiiThii-tar* [bal-k *mazeed MiiThii-tar*] kiye deta huuN; arz hai

Eid-e-RamazaaN aamad o maah-e-RamazaaN raft
sad-shukr k iiN aamad o sad-Haif k aaN raft

du'aa-go, Raj Kumar***

On Thursday, 13 May 2021 at 00:09:24 UTC+1, Raj Kumar wrote:
aadaab, Raj Kumar Jii,

> ***aahuu-e-taataar-e-man, naaqah-e-sayyaar-e-man, aNdak-o-basyaar-e-man
> tez-tark gaam zan, manzil-e-maa duur nest!
>

Iqbal kaa shi3r pesh karne ke liye bahut bahut shukriyah. ek "typo" aap se (ya3nii aap ke haathoN, anjaane meN:-)) sar-zad ho gayaa hai. ishaarah nah karuuN to aap mujh se "bisyaar" naaraaz hoN ge!:-)

> janaab-e-man, aap ne aek naye 'verb' ki taKhliiq kii hai, jis ke liye aap yaqeenan mubaarak-baad ke mustaHiq haiN --- so aap meri jaanib se "Dher saari mubaarak-baad" qubuul farmaaiye!
>

qadr-daanii sirf ek qadr-shinaas hii kar saktaa hai. maiN aap kii pur-xuluus mubaarak kaise radd kar saktaa huuN?

> is baat par aap mundaraja-zail she'r paRhiye aur gahri soch meN Duub jaaiye k "kyaa Ghazab ki taKhliiq Husn vaaloN meN hai aur kyaa Ghazab ki taKhliiq is shaa'ir ne dikhaa'ii hai". arz hai
>
> Husn meN taKhliiq kaa pahluu bhi hai
> "maiN" kahaa us ne to "ham" paidaa hu'aa
> [Arsh Malsiyaani] ***

vaah, vaah! vaaqi3ii kamaal kaa shi3r hai!

> > lekin kyaa karuuN? inkisaarii-o-3aajizii kaa baar nah hotaa to maiN bhii apnaa DaNkaa bajaataa phirtaa aur apne muNh >> MiyaaN MiTThuu kahlaataa!
> ***baat to aap ki saHiiH hai magar samajh meN nahiiN aayaa k yahaaN ishaara kis "MiyaaN MiTThuu" ki jaanib hai. kahiiN Qais Adamabadi ki jaanb to nahiiN? :-( yaa :-)
> ***

aap maaneN yaa nah maaneN, ishaarah kisii kii jaanib nahiiN. jahaaN tak Qais Adamabadi kaa ta3alluq hai, vuh be-chaare to nihaayat 3aajiz vaaqi3 hu'e haiN! haaN jaate jaate ek savaal. kyaa ham sab Adam-aabaad, ya3nii yih dhartii jo aadam-zaad se aabaad hai, is ke baasii nahiiN?:-)

> > ba-har-Haal, aap ne mujhe daad de kar merii himmat-afzaa'ii kii hai. bahut bahut shukriya. is se baRh kar maiN aap kaa is >> binaa par intihaa'ii shukr-guzaar huuN kih aap ne merii miiThii Eid meN mil kar ise aur bhii miiThaa kar diyaa hai! aate rahiye >> aur is kii shiiriinii > meN shiir-o-shakkar Daalte rahiye. navaazish ho gii.
> ***chaliye, aap kahte haiN to maiN aek she'r ki madad se aap ki Eid ko Miithii se *MiiThii-tar* [bal-k *mazeed MiiThii-tar*] kiye deta huuN; arz hai
>
> Eid-e-RamazaaN aamad o maah-e-RamazaaN raft
> sad-shukr k iiN aamad o sad-Haif k aaN raft

shkriya, janaab.

3iid aamad-o-shud baaz dar-i-xaanah-i-xammaar
shaahid bah miyaan aamad-o-zaahid zi miyaaN raft

Qaa'aanii

> du'aa-go, Raj Kumar***

du'aa-xvaah, Naseer

On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 6:31:12 AM UTC-7, Naseer wrote:
> On Thursday, 13 May 2021 at 00:09:24 UTC+1, Raj Kumar wrote:

> aadaab, Raj Kumar Jii,
> > ***aahuu-e-taataar-e-man, naaqah-e-sayyaar-e-man, aNdak-o-basyaar-e-man
> > tez-tark gaam zan, manzil-e-maa duur nest!
> >
> Iqbal kaa shi3r pesh karne ke liye bahut bahut shukriyah. ek "typo" aap se (ya3nii aap ke haathoN, anjaane meN:-)) sar-zad ho gayaa hai. ishaarah nah karuuN to aap mujh se "bisyaar" naaraaz hoN ge!:-)
>
***yeh 'typo' nahiiN hai, janaab-e-man, yeh Khaaksaar ki kam-maa'igii ka aks hai. maiN is lafz ko aaj tak 'basyaar' hi samajhta rahaa tha. aaj ke ba'ad aisa nahiiN hoga!*** :-)

> > > lekin kyaa karuuN? inkisaarii-o-3aajizii kaa baar nah hotaa to maiN bhii apnaa DaNkaa bajaataa phirtaa aur apne muNh >> MiyaaN MiTThuu kahlaataa!
> > ***baat to aap ki saHiiH hai magar samajh meN nahiiN aayaa k yahaaN ishaara kis "MiyaaN MiTThuu" ki jaanib hai. kahiiN Qais Adamabadi ki jaanb to nahiiN? :-( yaa :-)
> > ***
>
> aap maaneN yaa nah maaneN, ishaarah kisii kii jaanib nahiiN. jahaaN tak Qais Adamabadi kaa ta3alluq hai, vuh be-chaare to nihaayat 3aajiz vaaqi3 hu'e haiN! haaN jaate jaate ek savaal. kyaa ham sab Adam-aabaad, ya3nii yih dhartii jo aadam-zaad se aabaad hai, is ke baasii nahiiN? :-)
>
***aap ki mantiq to samajh meN aati hai, sahib, magar hameN aek baar phir 'transliteration' ki taraf dhyaan dena hoga. kahne ka matlab yeh k ham sab "Aadam-aabaadi" haiN, na k "Adam-aabaadi". Theek hai naa?

aap ka hiteshi, Raj Kumar***

On Thursday, 13 May 2021 at 23:40:08 UTC+1, Raj Kumar wrote:
> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 6:31:12 AM UTC-7, Naseer wrote:
> > On Thursday, 13 May 2021 at 00:09:24 UTC+1, Raj Kumar wrote:
>
> > aadaab, Raj Kumar Jii,

> > aap maaneN yaa nah maaneN, ishaarah kisii kii jaanib nahiiN. jahaaN tak Qais Adamabadi kaa ta3alluq hai, vuh be-chaare to nihaayat 3aajiz vaaqi3 hu'e haiN! haaN jaate jaate ek savaal. kyaa ham sab Adam-aabaad, ya3nii yih dhartii jo aadam-zaad se aabaad hai, is ke baasii nahiiN? :-)
> >
> ***aap ki mantiq to samajh meN aati hai, sahib, magar hameN aek baar phir 'transliteration' ki taraf dhyaan dena hoga. kahne ka matlab yeh k ham sab "Aadam-aabaadi" haiN, na k "Adam-aabaadi". Theek hai naa?
>
> aap ka hiteshi, Raj Kumar***

muHtaram Raj Kumar SaaHib, aadaab.

No, I was merely pointing out that if you had added an apostrophe to represent the 3ain (according to your tranliteration system), you could avoid the ambiguity between Adamabaad (as in Adam and Eve) and 'Adamabaad (as in mulk-i-3adam). Continuing on the subject of tranliteration, I would appreciate very much if, whenever you have time, you could please keep an eye on the following thread and make any comments, additions or offer advice for any readers who may have an interest in the subject. This includes the opening post of this thread. I intend to add more as and when something relevant comes to mind.

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.language.urdu.poetry/c/weX957ilQJo

Naseer