On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 8:16:35 AM UTC-7, Zoya wrote:
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 4:22:39 PM UTC-5, Raj Kumar wrote:
>
>
> Thank you so much for the beautiful examples you provided for me to further reinforce the art of word grafting in Urdu meter. This is a remarkable tool to have while doing taqtii'.

***You are welcome, ZS.***

> > Let's go ----------
>
> > voh di*laavez Khadd-e-Khaal kahaaN
> >
> > haNsii laboN pe nahiiN, aaNkh bhii pu*raab nahiiN
> >
> > Khaa*kuRaanii hai to phir ko'ii bhi veeraana sahii
> >
> > un ko zebaa'ii bhi phabtii hai, Khu*daaraa'ii bhii
> >
> > goyaa, ku*chhis qadar Gham-e-aasuudagii nahiiN
> >
> > har nazar ko teri dar*dafzaa samajh baiThe the ham
> >
> > jaag, ai sub'H-e-qayaamat, uTh a*bai dard-e-Hayaat
> >
> > zeb dete haiN Firaa*qauroN ko kab yeh kufriyaat
> >
> > ham bayaabaaN meN haiN aur ghar meN bahaa*raa'ii hai
> >
> > bas ik jhalak na*zaraa'ii, uRay Kaliim ke hosh
> >
> > dekhnaa qismat k aa*papne pe rash*kaa jaaye hai
> >
> > tuu au*raaraa'ish-e-Kham-e-kaakul
> > maiN au*raNdesha-haa-e-duur-o-daraaz

> To convince you that I have studied this process diligently, I summarize it can be applied between two adjacent words only when the first word ends in a consonant and the second begins with 'alif' or 'alif madd'. All of the misra'as quoted by you fit these constraints.

***Now this is precisely what I expected to hear from you, i.e., the rule is very general, so long as -------------- !

Even so, a couple of points:

(i) Since 'alif madd' is simply an elongation of 'alif', there is no need to mention it separately. 'alif' alone should be fine.

(ii) maiN aksar kahta huuN k duusre lafz ka aaGhaaz 'vowel sound' se hona chaahiye; kabhi kabhi maiN ne 'long vowel' bhi kahaa hai. albatta, aaj ke ba'ad mere liye bhi sirf 'alif' kahna hi bajaa hoga.
dekhiye, meri misaaloN meN kaheeN 'short vowel' hai to kaheeN 'long', magar 'alif' har jagah maujuud hai.

(iii) hamaare liye maHz 'vowel sound' kahna bhi Theek nahiiN hoga kyuuN-k bahut se alfaaz, jo Harf 'ain' se shuruu' hote haiN, un ki ibtidaa'ii aavaaz ain 'vowel' qism ki hoti hai ------------ magar aise alfaaz ke saath yeh 'grafting' nahuiiN ki jaati. Therefore, once again, sirf 'alif' kahna hi vaajib hai.

dekhiye, aap ko sikhaate sikhaate Khud maiN ne bhi Dher saari baateN seekh lii haiN! :-) ***

> Prof RK, out of all the misra'as quoted, this one is my favorite:
>
> un ko zebaa'ii bhi phabtii hai, Khu*daaraa'ii bhii :-)
>
> Totally my kind of thought. Love it! :-))
>
> Thanks a lot for your time and patience. If you want, you may lower my rating from 4.8999 to 4.809, but only temporarily.
>
***vaah vaah, aap ne ta'areef ke liye misr'a chunaa to voh bhi janaab-e-Qais ka!
maan gaye aap ki hoshyaari, Zoya sahiba! jab aap ko apne 'grades' kam hone ka Khadsha dar-pesh aayaa to aap hamaari chaapluusi pe utar aa'iiN?
na na na, aisa mat keejiye, azeeza. aap ko jo misr'a diyaanat-daaraana pasaNd aaye, aap sirf usi misr'e ki ta'areef keejiye --- kisi aur ki nahiiN! :-)

R.K.***

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 5:30:23 PM UTC-5, Raj Kumar wrote:

> ***Now this is precisely what I expected to hear from you, i.e., the rule is very general, so long as -------------- !

Thank you Prof RK. Redeemed. :-)

> Even so, a couple of points:
>
> (i) Since 'alif madd' is simply an elongation of 'alif', there is no need to mention it separately. 'alif' alone should be fine.
>
> (ii) maiN aksar kahta huuN k duusre lafz ka aaGhaaz 'vowel sound' se hona chaahiye; kabhi kabhi maiN ne 'long vowel' bhi kahaa hai. albatta, aaj ke ba'ad mere liye bhi sirf 'alif' kahna hi bajaa hoga.
> dekhiye, meri misaaloN meN kaheeN 'short vowel' hai to kaheeN 'long', magar 'alif' har jagah maujuud hai.
>
> (iii) hamaare liye maHz 'vowel sound' kahna bhi Theek nahiiN hoga kyuuN-k bahut se alfaaz, jo Harf 'ain' se shuruu' hote haiN, un ki ibtidaa'ii aavaaz ain 'vowel' qism ki hoti hai ------------ magar aise alfaaz ke saath yeh 'grafting' nahuiiN ki jaati. Therefore, once again, sirf 'alif' kahna hi vaajib hai.

Actually, at first I too had wanted to write only 'alif', but then modified a bit because I wasn't sure if that would be completely inclusive of the long 'aa'. After reading your points, I agree that just 'alif' will take care of all the cases. What a simple but oh-so useful rule! How nice.

> dekhiye, aap ko sikhaate sikhaate Khud maiN ne bhi Dher saari baateN seekh lii haiN! :-) ***
:-)))

> > Prof RK, out of all the misra'as quoted, this one is my favorite:
> >
> > un ko zebaa'ii bhi phabtii hai, Khu*daaraa'ii bhii :-)

> ***vaah vaah, aap ne ta'areef ke liye misr'a chunaa to voh bhi janaab-e-Qais ka!
> maan gaye aap ki hoshyaari, Zoya sahiba! jab aap ko apne 'grades' kam hone ka Khadsha dar-pesh aayaa to aap hamaari chaapluusi pe utar aa'iiN?
> na na na, aisa mat keejiye, azeeza. aap ko jo misr'a diyaanat-daaraana pasaNd aaye, aap sirf usi misr'e ki ta'areef keejiye --- kisi aur ki nahiiN! :-)

> R.K.***

yeh aap kaa misr'a hai? mujhe sach meN ilm nahiiN thaa. I genuinely liked it the best.

But to be perfectly truthful, if really needed, I am capable of 'chaapluusi' too! Got to save my 'A', Prof RK. :-)

Back to 4.8999--->4.9,

_______Zoya