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 by: The Coca Cola Kid - Thu, 27 Oct 2022 12:23 UTC

It was certainly implied as a possibility when we first found out about Amy being pregnant. Her husband had been erased from history a few months earlier and she had no memory of him for a time while traveling with the Doctor, whom we know she was attracted to. When Rory came back into existence, he was a plastic Auton, so probably sterile. The fact she survived after he shot her at point blank was a metaphor for him shooting blanks. That may have been the real reason they couldn't produce "another" child later. Of course, this was all handwaved away by a contrived explanation that the audience readily accepted, even though "the Doctor lies", because adult incest is still "icky and gross" in the same way being gay used to be. But this is sci-fi, and it's ambiguous whether regeneration makes someone a different "person" compared to how humans normally live from the time we're born until we die.

Moffat got away with a lot of stuff that went under the radar. Some of it, I suspect, was passive-aggressive piss taking in response to the BBC policy at the time of including child characters in episodes, but some of it was also schoolboy sniggering like the sonic screwdriver having three settings in "Curse of Fatal Death". It's also possible he was trying to raise subconscious awareness about child abuse and neglect, in a way similar to how "Alice in Wonderland" did allegorically.

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From: lia...@valentijn.nu (Wouter Valentijn)
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 by: Wouter Valentijn - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 04:34 UTC

Op 27-10-2022 om 14:23 schreef The Coca Cola Kid:
> It was certainly implied as a possibility when we first found out about Amy being pregnant. Her husband had been erased from history a few months earlier and she had no memory of him for a time while traveling with the Doctor, whom we know she was attracted to. When Rory came back into existence, he was a plastic Auton, so probably sterile. The fact she survived after he shot her at point blank was a metaphor for him shooting blanks. That may have been the real reason they couldn't produce "another" child later. Of course, this was all handwaved away by a contrived explanation that the audience readily accepted, even though "the Doctor lies", because adult incest is still "icky and gross" in the same way being gay used to be. But this is sci-fi, and it's ambiguous whether regeneration makes someone a different "person" compared to how humans normally live from the time we're born until we die.
>
> Moffat got away with a lot of stuff that went under the radar. Some of it, I suspect, was passive-aggressive piss taking in response to the BBC policy at the time of including child characters in episodes, but some of it was also schoolboy sniggering like the sonic screwdriver having three settings in "Curse of Fatal Death". It's also possible he was trying to raise subconscious awareness about child abuse and neglect, in a way similar to how "Alice in Wonderland" did allegorically.

River was conceived after the 'second big bang' on their honeymoon on
the TARDIS when Rory was a normal boy again.

--
Wouter Valentijn

Kirk: "No beach to walk on..."
Star Trek (s01e07): The Naked Time

http://www.nksf.nl/

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 by: The Coca Cola Kid - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 04:45 UTC

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:34:45 PM UTC-5, Wouter Valentijn wrote:
> River was conceived after the 'second big bang' on their honeymoon on
> the TARDIS when Rory was a normal boy again.

According to Who?

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From: danie...@nomail.afraid.org (Daniel65)
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 by: Daniel65 - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 10:42 UTC

The Coca Cola Kid wrote on 27/10/22 11:23 pm:
> It was certainly implied as a possibility when we first found out
> about Amy being pregnant. Her husband had been erased from history a
> few months earlier and she had no memory of him for a time while
> traveling with the Doctor, whom we know she was attracted to. When
> Rory came back into existence, he was a plastic Auton, so probably
> sterile. The fact she survived after he shot her at point blank was a
> metaphor for him shooting blanks. That may have been the real reason
> they couldn't produce "another" child later. Of course, this was all
> handwaved away by a contrived explanation that the audience readily
> accepted, even though "the Doctor lies", because adult incest is
> still "icky and gross" in the same way being gay used to be.

SORRY!! Are you suggesting that 'we' might be thinking that The Doctor
had a dalliance with Amy which produced River who The Doctor married??

You're joking, aren't you??
--
Daniel

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 by: Daniel65 - Sun, 30 Oct 2022 11:25 UTC

tsbr...@gmail.com wrote on 29/10/22 11:17 am:
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:11:22 PM UTC-7, netk...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>> In article <5a88de79-79c5-4ab0...@googlegroups.com>,
>> tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:02:09 AM UTC-7,
>>> netk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> In article <037eae9b-226f-4464...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 9:45:40 PM UTC-7, The Coca
>>>>> Cola Kid wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:34:45 PM UTC-5, Wouter
>>>>>> Valentijn wrote:
>>>>>>> River was conceived after the 'second big bang' on their
>>>>>>> honeymoon on the TARDIS when Rory was a normal boy
>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>> According to Who?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Who figured it out after the fact.
>>>> Tim's cut-and-lie noted!
>>>>
>>>> If the original post is over a month old, Tim's desparate
>>>> spamtrolling, noted!
>>>>
>>>> Why are you marking your arm in Is and IIII/s Tim?
>>>
>>> Where did you see Silents in my post?
>>
>> Tim's cut-and-lie noted!
>
> I trimmed the part I wasn't responding to!

As 'we' all know, Tim, .... well all except one!!

> I did not post any untruths.
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Daniel

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 by: Daniel65 - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:05 UTC

The Doctor wrote on 30/10/22 11:10 pm:
> In article <tjlmuv$4bpf$5@dont-email.me>,
> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> tsbr...@gmail.com wrote on 29/10/22 11:17 am:
>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 5:11:22 PM UTC-7, netk...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>> In article <5a88de79-79c5-4ab0...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:02:09 AM UTC-7,
>>>>> netk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> In article <037eae9b-226f-4464...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> tsbr...@gmail.com <tsbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 9:45:40 PM UTC-7, The Coca
>>>>>>> Cola Kid wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:34:45 PM UTC-5, Wouter
>>>>>>>> Valentijn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> River was conceived after the 'second big bang' on their
>>>>>>>>> honeymoon on the TARDIS when Rory was a normal boy
>>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>> According to Who?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, Who figured it out after the fact.
>>>>>> Tim's cut-and-lie noted!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the original post is over a month old, Tim's desparate
>>>>>> spamtrolling, noted!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are you marking your arm in Is and IIII/s Tim?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did you see Silents in my post?
>>>>
>>>> Tim's cut-and-lie noted!
>>>
>>> I trimmed the part I wasn't responding to!
>>
>> As 'we' all know, Tim, .... well all except one!!
>>
>>> I did not post any untruths.
>> --
> Tim's cut-and-lie noted!
>
> If the original post is over a month old,
> Tim's desparate spamtrolling, noted!
>
> Why are you marking your arm in Is and IIII/s Tim?
>
> Note that Tim was dodging the most relevant question!!!

O.K., asswipe, I'll ask ......What "most relevant question" did Tim
dodge, asswipe??

(The answer to that question could be very interesting!!)
--
Daniel

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 by: Daniel65 - Tue, 1 Nov 2022 10:25 UTC

The Doctor wrote on 31/10/22 11:33 pm:
> In article <tjo6kk$fkg7$1@dont-email.me>,
> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> The Doctor wrote on 30/10/22 11:10 pm:

<Snip>

>>> If the original post is over a month old,
>>> Tim's desparate spamtrolling, noted!
>>>
>>> Why are you marking your arm in Is and IIII/s Tim?
>>>
>>> Note that Tim was dodging the most relevant question!!!
>>
>> O.K., asswipe, I'll ask ......What "most relevant question" did Tim
>> dodge, asswipe??
>>
>> (The answer to that question could be very interesting!!)
>
> Why are you marking your arm in Is and IIII/s Tim?
>
> This question Idlehands-mouth Dannyboy!
WHAT?? For someone who supposedly reads this newsgroup, inside and out,
I would have expected YOU, asswipe, would have read where Tim has typed
that he hasn't been marking his arm in any fashion, asswipe!!

But, still, YOU, asswipe, made a post, so got to increase YOUR Precious
Post Count, anyway, asswipe!!
--
Daniel

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 by: Wouter Valentijn - Fri, 4 Nov 2022 15:46 UTC

Op 28-10-2022 om 16:54 schreef The Doctor:
> In article <0f676c0e-db3e-4657-848d-c4a8da92bee2n@googlegroups.com>,
> The Coca Cola Kid <thecocacolakid@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:34:45 PM UTC-5, Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>>> River was conceived after the 'second big bang' on their honeymoon on
>>> the TARDIS when Rory was a normal boy again.
>>
>> According to Who?
>
> Check out A Good Man goes to War!

Where it was all explained.

--
Wouter Valentijn

Kirk: "No beach to walk on..."
Star Trek (s01e07): The Naked Time

http://www.nksf.nl/

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