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Re: [Rumour] Disney+ to mean bigger Doctor Who budget and more spin-offs

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 by: Your Name - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 05:16 UTC

On 2022-11-11 00:01:19 +0000, Blueshirt said:
> The True Doctor wrote:
>> On 09/11/2022 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
>>>
>>> I wouldn't think they'd pull out of the deal over the BBC/Bad Wolf
>>> not taking up any of their suggestions... but I'm equally sure
>>> that Disney - if they find Doctor Who a successful show for them
>>> - would have their own ideas on taking the show forward in the
>>> international markets.
>>
>> If the show is a success it will be because RTD made it a success
>> not because of any ideas Disney+ might have for it in future. RTD
>> would therefore be totally stupid and incompetent to even listen to
>> them.
>
> The BBC cannot reach the international markets that Disney+ can, if
> Doctor Who becomes a successful show FOR Disney [outside of the UK]
> they will of course have ideas on how to grow their market and
> increase viewing figures and subscribers... that's the aim of any
> streaming service. I'm not claiming Disney themselves would make the
> show a success or not, my point is Disney would of course have ideas
> on what they want for the shows they carry on their service and
> RTD/BBC can agree or disagree with them.
>
> Only good can come for Doctor Who from being on Disney+ ...

Doctor Who was already a successful show in Australia, New Zealand, and
a few other places, including to some degree even in the US, long
before Disney got themselves involved.

In fact, the show will likely be far less successful in those countries
because it was available in those countries on free networks, and most
fans simply won't be paying Disney just to watch it. (Even if I was
still watching the 'PC-ified' rubbish, I certainly wouldn't be
subscribing to Disney+.)

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On 2022-11-11 00:08:03 +0000, Blueshirt said:
> Daniel65 wrote:
>> The True Doctor wrote on 9/11/22 8:56 am:
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>> Get Woke, Go Broke! as Elon Musk would say.
>>
>> Hmm!! I thought it was William Shatner who was credited with saying that!
>
> "Get a Life!" was his best quote... ;-)

It's Shatner, so the proper quote is more likely: "Get a ... LI-fe". ;-)

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 by: Your Name - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 05:19 UTC

On 2022-11-11 00:08:03 +0000, Blueshirt said:

> Daniel65 wrote:
>
>> The True Doctor wrote on 9/11/22 8:56 am:
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>> Get Woke, Go Broke! as Elon Musk would say.
>>
>> Hmm!! I thought it was William Shatner who was credited with saying that!
>
> "Get a Life!" was his best quote... ;-)

In terms of Doctor Who, the better quote may soon be a paraphrased
Bones McCoy's: "It's dead, Jim." :-(

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 by: Blueshirt - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 12:06 UTC

Your Name wrote:

> On 2022-11-11 00:01:19 +0000, Blueshirt said:
> >
> > The BBC cannot reach the international markets that Disney+ can,
> > if Doctor Who becomes a successful show FOR Disney [outside of
> > the UK] they will of course have ideas on how to grow their
> > market and increase viewing figures and subscribers... that's the
> > aim of any streaming service. I'm not claiming Disney themselves
> > would make the show a success or not, my point is Disney would of
> > course have ideas on what they want for the shows they carry on
> > their service and RTD/BBC can agree or disagree with them.
> >
> > Only good can come for Doctor Who from being on Disney+ ...
>
> Doctor Who was already a successful show in Australia, New Zealand,
> and a few other places, including to some degree even in the US,
> long before Disney got themselves involved.
>
> In fact, the show will likely be far less successful in those
> countries because it was available in those countries on free
> networks, and most fans simply won't be paying Disney just to watch
> it. (Even if I was still watching the 'PC-ified' rubbish, I
> certainly wouldn't be subscribing to Disney+.)

A lot of fans would probably have Disney+ already... I won't need it
for Doctor Who but we already subscribe, and so do a lot of people I
know. Disney+ is very successful and its market penetration is
growing.

Disney+ is a good step forward for Doctor Who in international
markets, especially the US.

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 by: Blueshirt - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 15:54 UTC

The Doctor wrote:

> In article <xn0np8betikncqt002@nntp.aioe.org>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> >
> > A lot of fans would probably have Disney+ already... I won't need it
> > for Doctor Who but we already subscribe, and so do a lot of people I
> > know. Disney+ is very successful and its market penetration is
> > growing.
> >
> > Disney+ is a good step forward for Doctor Who in international
> > markets, especially the US.
>
> Not outside UK and Ireland.

It won't affect people in the UK (or Ireland) as Doctor Who will still
be shown on BBC1. Funnily enough, it's the fans in the UK that seem to
be frothing at the mouth the most at Doctor Who being linked to Disney,
when it's actually irrelevant to them, as they won't have to subscribe
to Disney+ to watch Doctor Who. So what's the problem? <shrugs>

Doctor Who needs more money, it's getting it. Doctor Who needs more
publicity overseas, it'll get it. I assume the nerds have a problem
with the term 'Disney' as in their small minds it just means Mickey
Mouse and cartoons... clearly they need to get out more.

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 by: The True Doctor - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 16:43 UTC

On 11/11/2022 00:01, Blueshirt wrote:
> The True Doctor wrote:
>
>> On 09/11/2022 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
>>>
>>> I wouldn't think they'd pull out of the deal over the BBC/Bad Wolf
>>> not taking up any of their suggestions... but I'm equally sure
>>> that Disney - if they find Doctor Who a successful show for them
>>> - would have their own ideas on taking the show forward in the
>>> international markets.
>>
>> If the show is a success it will be because RTD made it a success
>> not because of any ideas Disney+ might have for it in future. RTD
>> would therefore be totally stupid and incompetent to even listen to
>> them.
>
> The BBC cannot reach the international markets that Disney+ can, if

Wrong. The BBC can sell Doctor Who to the highest bidder anywhere in the
world and already does for live to air. They're just too lazy to do that
for streaming.

> Doctor Who becomes a successful show FOR Disney [outside of the UK]

If Doctor Who makes Disney+ more money than the BBC expects Disney to
make from it then the BBC will put up the price of the show so that
Disney has to pay more for it. If Disney doesn't want to pay the
increased price and the show is a success then the BBC can sell it to
the highest bidder as every streaming service will also want it and tell
Disney to get stuffed.

The only reason why the BBC has sold Doctor Who to Disney+ is because
the show is a total flop in all markets and no one else wants it. Only
if the show fails even further (and there's not much more room left to
flop with ratings of only 2.2 million) will the BBC ask for Disney+
input, in which case Disney will demand full creative control of the
show just like Sony/Bad Wolf did. While Sony/Bad Wolf have full creative
control, which they will never relinquish until their contract expires
or it is cancelled, Disney+ can do sod all.

> they will of course have ideas on how to grow their market and
> increase viewing figures and subscribers... that's the aim of any

It's not their show. The show belongs to be BBC. If Disney want to grow
their market then they will have to pay more to the BBC for the
streaming rights for the show as is, with Bad Wolf dictating how it
should be made, not Disney+, and Disney ain't going to be buying Sony
any time soon, and I wouldn't think the US regulators would even let
them. It's more likely Sony will be bought by Apple or Amazon.

> streaming service. I'm not claiming Disney themselves would make the
> show a success or not, my point is Disney would of course have ideas
> on what they want for the shows they carry on their service and
> RTD/BBC can agree or disagree with them.

As I said before, if the show is a success it will be because of RTD not
because of Disney. If the show succeeds then Disney will have to pay
more for it or lose the distribution rights to a higher bidder. This is
basic capitalism 101.

>
> Only good can come for Doctor Who from being on Disney+ ...

As opposed to it not being sellable to any streaming service at all.

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 by: The True Doctor - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 16:49 UTC

On 11/11/2022 05:16, Your Name wrote:
> On 2022-11-11 00:01:19 +0000, Blueshirt said:
>> The True Doctor wrote:
>>> On 09/11/2022 22:36, Blueshirt wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't think they'd pull out of the deal over the BBC/Bad Wolf
>>>> not taking up any of their suggestions... but I'm equally sure
>>>> that Disney - if they find Doctor Who a successful show for them
>>>> - would have their own ideas on taking the show forward in the
>>>> international markets.
>>>
>>> If the show is a success it will be because RTD made it a success
>>> not because of any ideas Disney+ might have for it in future. RTD
>>> would therefore be totally stupid and incompetent to even listen to
>>> them.
>>
>> The BBC cannot reach the international markets that Disney+ can, if
>> Doctor Who becomes a successful show FOR Disney [outside of the UK]
>> they will of course have ideas on how to grow their market and
>> increase viewing figures and subscribers... that's the aim of any
>> streaming service. I'm not claiming Disney themselves would make the
>> show a success or not, my point is Disney would of course have ideas
>> on what they want for the shows they carry on their service and
>> RTD/BBC can agree or disagree with them.
>>
>> Only good can come for Doctor Who from being on Disney+ ...
>
> Doctor Who was already a successful show in Australia, New Zealand, and
> a few other places, including to some degree even in the US, long before
> Disney got themselves involved.
>
> In fact, the show will likely be far less successful in those countries
> because it was available in those countries on free networks, and most
> fans simply won't be paying Disney just to watch it. (Even if I was
> still watching the 'PC-ified' rubbish, I certainly wouldn't be
> subscribing to Disney+.)
>

Good point. Being on Disney+ will result in a smaller audience and
therefore less merchandise sales. It could actually be a bad thing for
the BBC overall since streaming on a free network would make the show
more widely available and encourage more people to buy more merchandise
than if it's on Disney+. Look at how Star Wars toy sales have totally
collapsed after Kathleen Kennedy attacked and disenfranchised fans,
especially boys by destroying all of the original characters as part of
here sexist feminist agenda.

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 by: The True Doctor - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 16:56 UTC

On 11/11/2022 12:06, Blueshirt wrote:
> Your Name wrote:
>
>> On 2022-11-11 00:01:19 +0000, Blueshirt said:
>>>
>>> The BBC cannot reach the international markets that Disney+ can,
>>> if Doctor Who becomes a successful show FOR Disney [outside of
>>> the UK] they will of course have ideas on how to grow their
>>> market and increase viewing figures and subscribers... that's the
>>> aim of any streaming service. I'm not claiming Disney themselves
>>> would make the show a success or not, my point is Disney would of
>>> course have ideas on what they want for the shows they carry on
>>> their service and RTD/BBC can agree or disagree with them.
>>>
>>> Only good can come for Doctor Who from being on Disney+ ...
>>
>> Doctor Who was already a successful show in Australia, New Zealand,
>> and a few other places, including to some degree even in the US,
>> long before Disney got themselves involved.
>>
>> In fact, the show will likely be far less successful in those
>> countries because it was available in those countries on free
>> networks, and most fans simply won't be paying Disney just to watch
>> it. (Even if I was still watching the 'PC-ified' rubbish, I
>> certainly wouldn't be subscribing to Disney+.)
>
> A lot of fans would probably have Disney+ already... I won't need it
> for Doctor Who but we already subscribe, and so do a lot of people I
> know. Disney+ is very successful and its market penetration is
> growing.
>
> Disney+ is a good step forward for Doctor Who in international
> markets, especially the US.

Disney+ is a network for small children and most people only subscribe
to it to use as a babysitting service. It's not going to make the BBC
any money from merchandise sales whatsoever with homosexual and
transvestite main characters, and I double any parents would let their
children watch it so that RTD can sexually groom them, let along buy
them homosexual and transvestite toys to play with.

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 by: The True Doctor - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 17:01 UTC

On 11/11/2022 15:54, Blueshirt wrote:
> The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <xn0np8betikncqt002@nntp.aioe.org>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>
>>> A lot of fans would probably have Disney+ already... I won't need it
>>> for Doctor Who but we already subscribe, and so do a lot of people I
>>> know. Disney+ is very successful and its market penetration is
>>> growing.
>>>
>>> Disney+ is a good step forward for Doctor Who in international
>>> markets, especially the US.
>>
>> Not outside UK and Ireland.
>
> It won't affect people in the UK (or Ireland) as Doctor Who will still
> be shown on BBC1. Funnily enough, it's the fans in the UK that seem to
> be frothing at the mouth the most at Doctor Who being linked to Disney,
> when it's actually irrelevant to them, as they won't have to subscribe
> to Disney+ to watch Doctor Who. So what's the problem? <shrugs>
>
> Doctor Who needs more money, it's getting it. Doctor Who needs more

Doctor Who is getting nothing. None of what Disney+ are playing for the
international distribution rights is going to go to Doctor Who. RTD has
already made the next 4 episodes on a budget of 600,000 per episode, and
it will stay that way.

> publicity overseas, it'll get it. I assume the nerds have a problem
> with the term 'Disney' as in their small minds it just means Mickey
> Mouse and cartoons... clearly they need to get out more.

Disney to most people means the company that destroyed Star Wars and
Marvel Comics in order to pander to homosexuals, transvestites, and man
hating Nazi feminists.

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 by: Your Name - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:17 UTC

On 2022-11-11 12:06:10 +0000, Blueshirt said:
> Your Name wrote:
>> On 2022-11-11 00:01:19 +0000, Blueshirt said:
>>>
>>> The BBC cannot reach the international markets that Disney+ can,
>>> if Doctor Who becomes a successful show FOR Disney [outside of
>>> the UK] they will of course have ideas on how to grow their
>>> market and increase viewing figures and subscribers... that's the
>>> aim of any streaming service. I'm not claiming Disney themselves
>>> would make the show a success or not, my point is Disney would of
>>> course have ideas on what they want for the shows they carry on
>>> their service and RTD/BBC can agree or disagree with them.
>>>
>>> Only good can come for Doctor Who from being on Disney+ ...
>>
>> Doctor Who was already a successful show in Australia, New Zealand,
>> and a few other places, including to some degree even in the US,
>> long before Disney got themselves involved.
>>
>> In fact, the show will likely be far less successful in those
>> countries because it was available in those countries on free
>> networks, and most fans simply won't be paying Disney just to watch
>> it. (Even if I was still watching the 'PC-ified' rubbish, I
>> certainly wouldn't be subscribing to Disney+.)
>
> A lot of fans would probably have Disney+ already... I won't need it
> for Doctor Who but we already subscribe, and so do a lot of people I
> know. Disney+ is very successful and its market penetration is
> growing.
>
> Disney+ is a good step forward for Doctor Who in international
> markets, especially the US.

In America, maybe, but in the other countries it's a massive backwards step.

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 by: Your Name - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:23 UTC

On 2022-11-11 15:54:30 +0000, Blueshirt said:

> The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <xn0np8betikncqt002@nntp.aioe.org>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>
>>> A lot of fans would probably have Disney+ already... I won't need it
>>> for Doctor Who but we already subscribe, and so do a lot of people I
>>> know. Disney+ is very successful and its market penetration is
>>> growing.
>>>
>>> Disney+ is a good step forward for Doctor Who in international
>>> markets, especially the US.
>>
>> Not outside UK and Ireland.
>
> It won't affect people in the UK (or Ireland) as Doctor Who will still
> be shown on BBC1. Funnily enough, it's the fans in the UK that seem to
> be frothing at the mouth the most at Doctor Who being linked to Disney,
> when it's actually irrelevant to them, as they won't have to subscribe
> to Disney+ to watch Doctor Who. So what's the problem? <shrugs>
>
> Doctor Who needs more money, it's getting it.

Not according to one person who posted here yesterday that none of the
money will be going to Doctor Who production.

> Doctor Who needs more publicity overseas, it'll get it.

It doesn't need any more publicity "overseas" ... maybe in America
where they don't even understand Brisith shows anyway.

*If* Disney does interfere in the making of the show *or* the
showrunners decide they need even more American money, I can see the
franchise going even further down the toilet as it becomes Americanised
.... and as the McGann movie shows, among many others, that is always a
disaster for British shows.

> I assume the nerds have a problem with the term 'Disney' as in their
> small minds it just means Mickey Mouse and cartoons... clearly they
> need to get out more.

The "nerds" will be complaining because they now have to pay to watch a
show they previous were able to see for free.

Actually, the true "nerds" won't give a crap either way because they'll
still be downloading it from the naughty web.

The true fans of course stopped watching the PC-ified garbage long ago.

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 by: Blueshirt - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:30 UTC

The True Doctor wrote:

> On 11/11/2022 12:06, Blueshirt wrote:
> >
> > Disney+ is a good step forward for Doctor Who in international
> > markets, especially the US.
>
> Disney+ is a network for small children and most people only
> subscribe to it to use as a babysitting service.

What a fucking idiot you are! You've clearly never watched Disney+ if
you think it's just for small children...

Can't handle the fact that Micky, Minnie, Donald and Goofy will be
linked to your favourite TV show eh? Ah diddums... it's time to get
down to your local train station and start writing down locomotive
numbers instead then, as Disney [as a corporation] ain't going anywhere.

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 by: Blueshirt - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:30 UTC

The True Doctor wrote:
>
> Disney to most people means the company that destroyed Star Wars and
> Marvel Comics in order to pander to homosexuals, transvestites, and
> man hating Nazi feminists.

Clearly... that explains the growth of Disney's TV streaming service.
All those millions of people are only subscribing because they object
to the shows that are on Disney+. Yep, makes perfect sense to me.

Meanwhile, back in the real world...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1095372/disney-plus-number-of-subscribers-us/

How can serious Doctor Who fans object to the show being available on
such a popular service around the world?

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 by: Blueshirt - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:30 UTC

Your Name wrote:

> On 2022-11-11 12:06:10 +0000, Blueshirt said:
> >
> > Disney+ is a good step forward for Doctor Who in international
> > markets, especially the US.
>
> In America, maybe, but in the other countries it's a massive
> backwards step.

I don't agree. I think it was the right thing for the BBC to do as
streaming TV is the future. Our grand-children won't be paying a TV
licence fee, they'll pay for what they want to watch. The BBC cannot
take on the big streaming services with their limited funding so Doctor
Who, if it survived, was always going to be on Netflix, Prime Video or
Disney+ (or a.n.other service) for worldwide distribution at some
stage. As it's one of the BBC's flagship shows, which means income for
the BBC in return for those rights.

The fact that the Disney corporation wanted to be involved in a show
that some here claim died in 2017, shows that the reality is completely
different.

I think it's a win/win for the BBC and fans. I could be proved wrong in
five years, but I'm happy to see what comes out of it.

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 by: Blueshirt - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:34 UTC

The Doctor wrote:

> In article <tkluf2$t1hg$1@dont-email.me>,
> The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> >
> > Good point. Being on Disney+ will result in a smaller audience and
> > therefore less merchandise sales. It could actually be a bad thing
> > for the BBC overall since streaming on a free network would make
> > the show more widely available and encourage more people to buy
> > more merchandise than if it's on Disney+. Look at how Star Wars toy
> > sales have totally collapsed after Kathleen Kennedy attacked and
> > disenfranchised fans, especially boys by destroying all of the
> > original characters as part of here sexist feminist agenda.
> >
>
> Interesting!

But wrong.

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 by: Blueshirt - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:34 UTC

The Doctor wrote:

> In article <tklv4d$t4c3$2@dont-email.me>,
> The True Doctor <agamemnon@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> >
> > Disney to most people means the company that destroyed Star Wars
> > and Marvel Comics in order to pander to homosexuals, transvestites,
> > and man hating Nazi feminists.
> >
>
> Good points.

Bigoted, sexist points... which of course, you would find good.

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 by: Blueshirt - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:39 UTC

The Doctor wrote:
>
> How big is Disney plus?

Very big!

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 by: Wouter Valentijn - Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:50 UTC

Op 8-11-2022 om 12:07 schreef tsbru...@gmail.com:
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 2:48:41 AM UTC-8, Daniel65 wrote:
>> Your Name wrote on 8/11/22 5:19 pm:
>>>
>>>
>>> Doctor Who's Budget to Rise to £100 Million Per Series [Season],
>>> Thanks to Disney+?
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Broadcast is reporting that Doctor Who's budget will be tripled,
>>> so that each series will have an estimated £100 million spent
>>> across the season.
>>>
>>> That's apparently thanks to Disney+, the platform that's secured
>>> the streaming rights to Doctor Who across the world - except,
>>> that is, in the UK, where it'll keep its traditional home on the
>>> BBC.
>>>
>>> A mysterious source told Broadcast:
>>>
>>> "The BBC had to make the decision for the future success
>>> of Doctor Who because any show of scale needs a partner.
>>> Reliability is the most important factor irrespective of
>>> how many episodes you make or who the Doctor is...
>>>
>>> If you can bring in a single partner with one
>>> distribution agreement, while retaining exclusivity in
>>> the UK, that is the best of both worlds for the BBC."
>>>
>>> Sure, you may sniff at this suggestion, seeing as it's not been
>>> confirmed by the BBC just yet, but Broadcast is a reliable
>>> publication, and there have been plenty of rumours that the deal
>>> with Disney+ would result in an increased budget. £100 million
>>> is quite astonishing, though!
>>>
>>> Plus it makes sense that Disney+ would want to invest; and it
>>> would've given new showrunner, Russell T Davies, further reason
>>> to make such a deal alongside production team, Bad Wolf.
>>>
>>> Broadcast reports that, as is, Doctor Who has a £1 million to
>>> £3 million per episode budget, so with the £100 million estimate,
>>> we can infer that we can expect 10 episodes per season,
>>> potentially plus Christmas specials.
>>>
>>> It's also heavily rumoured (and expected, really) that Disney+ is
>>> keen for Davies and co. to develop spin-offs akin to The Sarah
>>> Jane Adventures and Torchwood too.
>>>
>>> Exciting times ahead, DWC readers...
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://thedoctorwhocompanion.com/2022/11/08/doctor-whos-budget-to-rise-to-100-million-per-series-thanks-to-disney/>
>>
>> "Doctor Who has a £1 million to £3 million per episode budget, so with
>> the £100 million estimate, we can infer that we can expect 10 episodes
>> per season"
>> UMM! Is my Maths failing me??

I think that 3 million figure is tied to the /current/ budget per
episode. "as is".
And the 100 million figure to the /future/ budget of an entire season.
But that entire paragraph is kinda sloppy indeed.

>>
>> Shouldn't 100 million pounds buy you thirty-odd episodes at (max) three
>> million pounds per episode??

I think the budget will be around 10 million pounds per episode. Could
be less if that entire sum is not just about single episodes but also
for the season as a whole. Like sets that are used for more than one
episode. Like for instance the TARDIS interior.

>>
>> Or is that 100 million pounds allowing for three Series??
>>
>> Or is that 100 million pounds allowing for budget for the revised "The
>> Sarah Jane Adventures" and "Torchwood" series as well??
>
> How can you have Sarah Jane Adventures with the actress long dead?

They say spin-offs /AKIN/ to The Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood.
That doesn't mean they'd revive the SJA series. They might think about
other Companions to build a show around.

--
Wouter Valentijn

Kirk: "No beach to walk on..."
Star Trek (s01e07): The Naked Time

http://www.nksf.nl/

liam=mail

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 by: The Last Doctor - Sat, 12 Nov 2022 00:08 UTC

Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> Aggie the Raving Lunatic wrote:
>>
>> Disney to most people means the company that destroyed Star Wars and
>> Marvel Comics in order to pander to homosexuals, transvestites, and
>> man hating Nazi feminists.
>
> Clearly... that explains the growth of Disney's TV streaming service.
> All those millions of people are only subscribing because they object
> to the shows that are on Disney+. Yep, makes perfect sense to me.
>
> Meanwhile, back in the real world...
>
> https://www.statista.com/statistics/1095372/disney-plus-number-of-subscribers-us/
>
> How can serious Doctor Who fans object to the show being available on
> such a popular service around the world?
>

There’s no point showing the Wholly Greek real articles. Like his hero the
Donald, and his sycophantic follower The Idiot, he only believes news
sources that agree with him. Everything else is “fake news”.

This leaves him and a handful of other hopeless incels eagerly consuming
each other’s lightly
masticated shit, congratulating each other on their intelligence and
perspicacity, the only eight people in the world who aren’t ignorant
uneducated imbeciles who rely on stupid things like facts and form changing
opinions over time instead of listening only to the voices in their heads
and mindlessly, dogmatically holding to their one and only “TRVTH”.

--
There are some corners of the universe
which have bred the most terrible things.
Things which act against everything we believe in.

They must be /fought/.

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 by: Your Name - Sat, 12 Nov 2022 00:32 UTC

On 2022-11-11 22:30:25 +0000, Blueshirt said:
> Your Name wrote:
>> On 2022-11-11 12:06:10 +0000, Blueshirt said:
>>>
>>> Disney+ is a good step forward for Doctor Who in international
>>> markets, especially the US.
>>
>> In America, maybe, but in the other countries it's a massive
>> backwards step.
>
> I don't agree. I think it was the right thing for the BBC to do as
> streaming TV is the future. Our grand-children won't be paying a TV
> licence fee,

There is no TV licence fee in New Zealand - all the Freeview channels
are *free* (other than money coming from general taxes for teh TVNZ
network and making the garbage NZ On Air shows). I don't think there is
one in Australia either.

> they'll pay for what they want to watch. The BBC cannot take on the big
> streaming services with their limited funding so Doctor Who, if it
> survived, was always going to be on Netflix, Prime Video or Disney+ (or
> a.n.other service) for worldwide distribution at some stage. As it's
> one of the BBC's flagship shows, which means income for the BBC in
> return for those rights.
>
> The fact that the Disney corporation wanted to be involved in a show
> that some here claim died in 2017, shows that the reality is completely
> different.
>
> I think it's a win/win for the BBC and fans. I could be proved wrong in
> five years, but I'm happy to see what comes out of it.

Realtively few people subscribe to any of these services, and more keep
pulling out as they continually raise prices.

The only way this could remotely be a "win" is if Disney+ had a
completely free option (which would mean adverts of course).

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 by: Your Name - Sat, 12 Nov 2022 05:27 UTC

On 2022-11-11 20:28:39 +0000, tsbr...@gmail.com said:
> On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 12:23:53 PM UTC-8, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2022-11-11 15:54:30 +0000, Blueshirt said:
>>> The Doctor wrote:
>>>> In article <xn0np8bet...@nntp.aioe.org>,
>>>> Blueshirt <blue...@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot of fans would probably have Disney+ already... I won't need it
>>>>> for Doctor Who but we already subscribe, and so do a lot of people I
>>>>> know. Disney+ is very successful and its market penetration is
>>>>> growing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Disney+ is a good step forward for Doctor Who in international
>>>>> markets, especially the US.
>>>>
>>>> Not outside UK and Ireland.
>>>
>>> It won't affect people in the UK (or Ireland) as Doctor Who will still
>>> be shown on BBC1. Funnily enough, it's the fans in the UK that seem to
>>> be frothing at the mouth the most at Doctor Who being linked to Disney,
>>> when it's actually irrelevant to them, as they won't have to subscribe
>>> to Disney+ to watch Doctor Who. So what's the problem? <shrugs>
>>>
>>> Doctor Who needs more money, it's getting it.
>>
>> Not according to one person who posted here yesterday that none of the
>> money will be going to Doctor Who production.
>
> Are you alleging misallocation of funds, embezzlement, and/or fraud?

Disney is paying for the rights to distribute "Doctor Who"
internationally. What the BBC does with that money is up to them, it
does not have to be used to make Doctor Who specifically, but some of
it no doubt will.

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On 2022-11-11 22:30:24 +0000, Blueshirt said:
> The True Doctor wrote:
>>
>> Disney to most people means the company that destroyed Star Wars and
>> Marvel Comics in order to pander to homosexuals, transvestites, and
>> man hating Nazi feminists.
>
> Clearly... that explains the growth of Disney's TV streaming service.
> All those millions of people are only subscribing because they object
> to the shows that are on Disney+. Yep, makes perfect sense to me.
>
> Meanwhile, back in the real world...
>
> https://www.statista.com/statistics/1095372/disney-plus-number-of-subscribers-us/
>
>
> How can serious Doctor Who fans object to the show being available on
> such a popular service around the world?

Because you have to pay for Disney+ and requires an internet
connection. In most civilised countries the show has previously been
broadcast on normal free TV (although in the UK they do pay an annual
TV licence fee).

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On 2022-11-11 22:39:17 +0000, Blueshirt said:
> The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> How big is Disney plus?
>
> Very big!

In terms of subscriber numbers, Disney+ is third, behind Netflix and
Amazon Prime. (Or fourth if you include Spotify.)

BUT ... it depends which list you believe, and the numbers are always
going up and down as they lose and gain subscribers.

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 by: Daniel65 - Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:13 UTC

Wouter Valentijn wrote on 12/11/22 9:50 am:
> Op 8-11-2022 om 12:07 schreef tsbru...@gmail.com:
>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 2:48:41 AM UTC-8, Daniel65 wrote:

<Snip>

>>> Or is that 100 million pounds allowing for three Series??
>>>
>>> Or is that 100 million pounds allowing for budget for the revised "The
>>> Sarah Jane Adventures" and "Torchwood" series as well??
>>
>> How can you have Sarah Jane Adventures with the actress long dead?
>
> They say spin-offs /AKIN/ to The Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood.
> That doesn't mean they'd revive the SJA series. They might think about
> other Companions to build a show around.
>
Maybe like how Torchwood started as a "Doctor Who" in-series asset ....
and then expanded into its own, stand-alone, series for a couple of
seasons!!
--
Daniel

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 by: Daniel65 - Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:18 UTC

Blueshirt wrote on 12/11/22 2:54 am:

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> Doctor Who needs more money, it's getting it. Doctor Who needs more
> publicity overseas, it'll get it. I assume the nerds have a problem
> with the term 'Disney' as in their small minds it just means Mickey
> Mouse and cartoons... clearly they need to get out more.
>
I want Pluto!! I want Pluto!! I want Pluto!! Are The TARDIS controls
PAW-friendly??
--
Daniel

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