United States athletes, United States television networks, United
States corporate sponsors will continue to participate in the 2022
winter Olympics in Beijing. But the United States will not send
diplomats... to protest Chinese human rights abuses.

That'll larn 'em.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-sports-boycotts-beijing-2020-tokyo-olympics-7727b98d708447ae24457d910a8f1ae8

In <somqjq$qk6$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

>United States athletes, United States television networks, United
>States corporate sponsors will continue to participate in the 2022
>winter Olympics in Beijing. But the United States will not send
>diplomats... to protest Chinese human rights abuses.

>That'll larn 'em.

>https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-sports-boycotts-beijing-2020-tokyo-olympics-7727b98d708447ae24457d910a8f1ae8

Yeah, at least in 1980, when there was a full boycott
by US athletes, we got to see some Hot Lesbian Sex Action
between Patrice Donnelly and Mariel Hemingway.

--
_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
dannyb@panix.com
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 12:16:00 AM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> United States athletes, United States television networks, United
> States corporate sponsors will continue to participate in the 2022
> winter Olympics in Beijing. But the United States will not send
> diplomats... to protest Chinese human rights abuses.

> That'll larn 'em.

Will Israel join the US in the boycott against China for human rights abuses?

"Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Robert Menendez, D-N.J., called such a diplomatic boycott “a necessary step to demonstrate our unwavering commitment to human rights in the face of the Chinese government’s unconscionable abuses.” He called on “other allies and partners that share our values to join with the United States in this diplomatic boycott.”

--------

“A Hideous Atrocity”: Noam Chomsky on Israel’s Assault on Gaza & U.S. Support for the Occupation
https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/7/a_hideous_atrocity_noam_chomsky_on

TAGS: hypocritical, American, Pussies

On Tuesday, 7 December 2021 at 00:16:00 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> United States athletes, United States television networks, United
> States corporate sponsors will continue to participate in the 2022
> winter Olympics in Beijing. But the United States will not send
> diplomats... to protest Chinese human rights abuses.
>
> That'll larn 'em.
>
> https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-sports-boycotts-beijing-2020-tokyo-olympics-7727b98d708447ae24457d910a8f1ae8

It's at least some TINY measure against the creatures sucking up to China. Meaningless, or effect-less probably, but better than
the Western international business community, some of whose leaders should be tried for treason.

In article <somr5a$pls$1@reader1.panix.com>, danny burstein
<dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

> In <somqjq$qk6$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
>
> >United States athletes, United States television networks, United
> >States corporate sponsors will continue to participate in the 2022
> >winter Olympics in Beijing. But the United States will not send
> >diplomats... to protest Chinese human rights abuses.
>
> >That'll larn 'em.
>
>
> >>https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-sports-boycotts-beijing-2020-tokyo-olym
> >pics-7727b98d708447ae24457d910a8f1ae8
>
> Yeah, at least in 1980, when there was a full boycott
> by US athletes, we got to see some Hot Lesbian Sex Action
> between Patrice Donnelly and Mariel Hemingway.

Patrice was great. Mariel, not so much.

In article <somqjq$qk6$1@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:

>United States athletes, United States television networks, United
>States corporate sponsors will continue to participate in the 2022
>winter Olympics in Beijing. But the United States will not send
>diplomats... to protest Chinese human rights abuses.
>
>That'll larn 'em.

I know, right?

Obviously, Resident Biden wants to appear to be doing something while not
angering his Chinese masters,

--
Let's go Brandon!

On 12/7/2021 6:33 AM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <somr5a$pls$1@reader1.panix.com>, danny burstein
> <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> In <somqjq$qk6$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
>>
>>> United States athletes, United States television networks, United
>>> States corporate sponsors will continue to participate in the 2022
>>> winter Olympics in Beijing. But the United States will not send
>>> diplomats... to protest Chinese human rights abuses.
>>
>>> That'll larn 'em.
>>
>>
>>>> https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-sports-boycotts-beijing-2020-tokyo-olym
>>> pics-7727b98d708447ae24457d910a8f1ae8
>>
>> Yeah, at least in 1980, when there was a full boycott
>> by US athletes, we got to see some Hot Lesbian Sex Action
>> between Patrice Donnelly and Mariel Hemingway.
>
>
> Patrice was great. Mariel, not so much.

Mariel was fearless as an actress. She was a joy to watch in my not so
humble opinion.

In article <somqjq$qk6$1@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:

>United States athletes, United States television networks, United
>States corporate sponsors will continue to participate in the 2022
>winter Olympics in Beijing. But the United States will not send
>diplomats... to protest Chinese human rights abuses.
>
>That'll larn 'em.

Sen. Tom Cotton (R., Ark.) on Monday slammed President Joe Biden for his
"half-measure" boycott of China's upcoming winter Olympics, which the senator
called insufficient because the United States will still send athletes to the
games.

"The President has once again opted for a half measure, when bold leadership
was required," Cotton said. "The United States should fully boycott the
Genocide Games in Beijing. American businesses should not financially support
the Chinese Communist Party and we must not expose Team USA to the dangers of
a repugnant authoritarian regime that disappears its own athletes."

White House press secretary Jen Psaki announced earlier that day that the
Biden administration will initiate a diplomatic boycott of the 2022 Olympics
over the "ongoing genocide and crimes against humanity in Xinjiang and other
human rights abuses." The United States will not dispatch government
officials to avoid validating a perception of the games as "business as
usual," Psaki said, but will still send athletes to compete in Beijing.

U.S. lawmakers have in recent months called for a boycott of the games,
citing China's oppression of Uyghur Muslims and last month's disappearance of
Peng Shuai, a Chinese tennis star who accused a former top regime official of
sexually assaulting her.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian accused the United States of
"grandstanding" with its boycott and vowed that China "will take firm
countermeasures" in response.

U.S. allies, including Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom, are
reportedly also mulling a diplomatic boycott of the Beijing Olympics.

--
Let's go Brandon!

On Wednesday, 8 December 2021 at 08:55:26 UTC-5, Ubiquitous wrote:
> In article <somqjq$qk6$1...@dont-email.me>, a...@chinet.com wrote:
> >United States athletes, United States television networks, United
> >States corporate sponsors will continue to participate in the 2022
> >winter Olympics in Beijing. But the United States will not send
> >diplomats... to protest Chinese human rights abuses.
> >
> >That'll larn 'em.
> Sen. Tom Cotton (R., Ark.) on Monday slammed President Joe Biden for his
> "half-measure" boycott of China's upcoming winter Olympics, which the senator
> called insufficient because the United States will still send athletes to the
> games.
>
> "The President has once again opted for a half measure, when bold leadership
> was required," Cotton said. "The United States should fully boycott the
> Genocide Games in Beijing. American businesses should not financially support
> the Chinese Communist Party and we must not expose Team USA to the dangers of
> a repugnant authoritarian regime that disappears its own athletes."
>
> White House press secretary Jen Psaki announced earlier that day that the
> Biden administration will initiate a diplomatic boycott of the 2022 Olympics
> over the "ongoing genocide and crimes against humanity in Xinjiang and other
> human rights abuses." The United States will not dispatch government
> officials to avoid validating a perception of the games as "business as
> usual," Psaki said, but will still send athletes to compete in Beijing.
>
> U.S. lawmakers have in recent months called for a boycott of the games,
> citing China's oppression of Uyghur Muslims and last month's disappearance of
> Peng Shuai, a Chinese tennis star who accused a former top regime official of
> sexually assaulting her.
>
> Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian accused the United States of
> "grandstanding" with its boycott and vowed that China "will take firm
> countermeasures" in response.
>
> U.S. allies, including Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom, are
> reportedly also mulling a diplomatic boycott of the Beijing Olympics.
> --
> Let's go Brandon!

What they do not get I suppose is that boycotts do not work against fanatics, especially those in self-sufficient countries. N. Korea, Iran are proof of that in that they are NOT
self-sufficient yet still weather boycotts that would wither Western countries.

On Tue, 07 Dec 2021 21:05:04 -0500, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
wrote:

>In article <somqjq$qk6$1@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:
>
>>United States athletes, United States television networks, United
>>States corporate sponsors will continue to participate in the 2022
>>winter Olympics in Beijing. But the United States will not send
>>diplomats... to protest Chinese human rights abuses.
>>
>>That'll larn 'em.
>
>Sen. Tom Cotton (R., Ark.) on Monday slammed President Joe Biden for his
>"half-measure" boycott of China's upcoming winter Olympics, which the senator
>called insufficient because the United States will still send athletes to the
>games.
>
>"The President has once again opted for a half measure, when bold leadership
>was required," Cotton said. "The United States should fully boycott the
>Genocide Games in Beijing. American businesses should not financially support
>the Chinese Communist Party and we must not expose Team USA to the dangers of
>a repugnant authoritarian regime that disappears its own athletes."
>
>White House press secretary Jen Psaki announced earlier that day that the
>Biden administration will initiate a diplomatic boycott of the 2022 Olympics
>over the "ongoing genocide and crimes against humanity in Xinjiang and other
>human rights abuses." The United States will not dispatch government
>officials to avoid validating a perception of the games as "business as
>usual," Psaki said, but will still send athletes to compete in Beijing.
>
>U.S. allies, including Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom, are
>reportedly also mulling a diplomatic boycott of the Beijing Olympics.

Canada announced today that they'd be matching the US boycott formula
which I agree with the good senator is wimpy beyond belief.

We're talking the usual Chinese crimes but specific to Canada taking
our citizens hostage (not just the Michaels though that is bad enough)
as well as documented interference in our elections.

In article <f912rgp8k9lj6eceqarlrjh5ttbbceejj4@4ax.com>, The Horny Goat
<lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

> On Tue, 07 Dec 2021 21:05:04 -0500, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <somqjq$qk6$1@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:
> >
> >>United States athletes, United States television networks, United
> >>States corporate sponsors will continue to participate in the 2022
> >>winter Olympics in Beijing. But the United States will not send
> >>diplomats... to protest Chinese human rights abuses.
> >>
> >>That'll larn 'em.
> >
> >Sen. Tom Cotton (R., Ark.) on Monday slammed President Joe Biden for his
> >"half-measure" boycott of China's upcoming winter Olympics, which the
> >senator
> >called insufficient because the United States will still send athletes to
> >the
> >games.
> >
> >"The President has once again opted for a half measure, when bold leadership
> >was required," Cotton said. "The United States should fully boycott the
> >Genocide Games in Beijing. American businesses should not financially
> >support
> >the Chinese Communist Party and we must not expose Team USA to the dangers
> >of
> >a repugnant authoritarian regime that disappears its own athletes."
> >
> >White House press secretary Jen Psaki announced earlier that day that the
> >Biden administration will initiate a diplomatic boycott of the 2022 Olympics
> >over the "ongoing genocide and crimes against humanity in Xinjiang and other
> >human rights abuses." The United States will not dispatch government
> >officials to avoid validating a perception of the games as "business as
> >usual," Psaki said, but will still send athletes to compete in Beijing.
> >
> >U.S. allies, including Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom, are
> >reportedly also mulling a diplomatic boycott of the Beijing Olympics.
>
> Canada announced today that they'd be matching the US boycott formula
> which I agree with the good senator is wimpy beyond belief.
>
> We're talking the usual Chinese crimes but specific to Canada taking
> our citizens hostage (not just the Michaels though that is bad enough)
> as well as documented interference in our elections.

OTOH I vividly remember Jimmy Carter's stupid and ineffective boycott
of the Moscow Olympics. Those kids were supposed to pay the tab for
Carter's inability to do much of anything about the Soviets and
Afghanistan. The athletes were crushed, of course, and they had every
right to feel that way. BTW Carter held a phony medal ceremony for the
Olympians shortly after. Many didn't want to go, but attendance turned
out to be compulsory -- that is, they and their schools were threatened
with loss of funding and future access, and of course some still hoped
to make the next Olympics. Even the athletes who were (unsuccessfully)
suing Carter had to attend and just stand there silently while Carter
draped them with phony medals. A few said later that they pitched
them.

A Friend wrote:

>OTOH I vividly remember Jimmy Carter's stupid and ineffective boycott
>of the Moscow Olympics.

Jimmah made me register for the draft. I was so scary I was going to get
the Rooskies out of Afghanistan.

Let's not forget that the Rooskies invading Afghanistan was kind of his
fault in the first place for screwing around there.

>Those kids were supposed to pay the tab for
>Carter's inability to do much of anything about the Soviets and
>Afghanistan. The athletes were crushed, of course, and they had every
>right to feel that way. BTW Carter held a phony medal ceremony for the
>Olympians shortly after. Many didn't want to go, but attendance turned
>out to be compulsory -- that is, they and their schools were threatened
>with loss of funding and future access, and of course some still hoped
>to make the next Olympics. Even the athletes who were (unsuccessfully)
>suing Carter had to attend and just stand there silently while Carter
>draped them with phony medals. A few said later that they pitched
>them.

Carter was horrid. I agree.

A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
> In article <f912rgp8k9lj6eceqarlrjh5ttbbceejj4@4ax.com>, The Horny Goat
> <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 07 Dec 2021 21:05:04 -0500, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <somqjq$qk6$1@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> United States athletes, United States television networks, United
>>>> States corporate sponsors will continue to participate in the 2022
>>>> winter Olympics in Beijing. But the United States will not send
>>>> diplomats... to protest Chinese human rights abuses.
>>>>
>>>> That'll larn 'em.
>>>
>>> Sen. Tom Cotton (R., Ark.) on Monday slammed President Joe Biden for his
>>> "half-measure" boycott of China's upcoming winter Olympics, which the
>>> senator
>>> called insufficient because the United States will still send athletes to
>>> the
>>> games.
>>>
>>> "The President has once again opted for a half measure, when bold leadership
>>> was required," Cotton said. "The United States should fully boycott the
>>> Genocide Games in Beijing. American businesses should not financially
>>> support
>>> the Chinese Communist Party and we must not expose Team USA to the dangers
>>> of
>>> a repugnant authoritarian regime that disappears its own athletes."
>>>
>>> White House press secretary Jen Psaki announced earlier that day that the
>>> Biden administration will initiate a diplomatic boycott of the 2022 Olympics
>>> over the "ongoing genocide and crimes against humanity in Xinjiang and other
>>> human rights abuses." The United States will not dispatch government
>>> officials to avoid validating a perception of the games as "business as
>>> usual," Psaki said, but will still send athletes to compete in Beijing.
>>>
>>> U.S. allies, including Australia, Canada, and the United Kingdom, are
>>> reportedly also mulling a diplomatic boycott of the Beijing Olympics.
>>
>> Canada announced today that they'd be matching the US boycott formula
>> which I agree with the good senator is wimpy beyond belief.
>>
>> We're talking the usual Chinese crimes but specific to Canada taking
>> our citizens hostage (not just the Michaels though that is bad enough)
>> as well as documented interference in our elections.
>
>
> OTOH I vividly remember Jimmy Carter's stupid and ineffective

Entire presidency.

--
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> A Friend wrote:
>
>> OTOH I vividly remember Jimmy Carter's stupid and ineffective boycott
>> of the Moscow Olympics.
>
> Jimmah made me register for the draft. I was so scary I was going to get
> the Rooskies out of Afghanistan.
>
> Let's not forget that the Rooskies invading Afghanistan was kind of his
> fault in the first place for screwing around there.
>
>> Those kids were supposed to pay the tab for
>> Carter's inability to do much of anything about the Soviets and
>> Afghanistan. The athletes were crushed, of course, and they had every
>> right to feel that way. BTW Carter held a phony medal ceremony for the
>> Olympians shortly after. Many didn't want to go, but attendance turned
>> out to be compulsory -- that is, they and their schools were threatened
>> with loss of funding and future access, and of course some still hoped
>> to make the next Olympics. Even the athletes who were (unsuccessfully)
>> suing Carter had to attend and just stand there silently while Carter
>> draped them with phony medals. A few said later that they pitched
>> them.
>
> Carter was horrid. I agree.
>

He lied about his sub service and nuclear engineer credentials too.

--
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 18:48:08 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>> OTOH I vividly remember Jimmy Carter's stupid and ineffective
>
>Entire presidency.

Carter only beat Ford 51-49 despite Ford's pardon of Nixon.

Carter's most embarassing moment had to be his "Moral Equivalent of
War" speech which was on energy self-sufficiency and was an excellent
speech but the worst possible acronym which the press used to ridicule
a fairly serious presentation on the subject.

https://www.cato.org/blog/four-decades-moral-equivalent-war

Even with that lapse he would have been reelected had he either not
attempted an Iranian rescue or been successful at it. (Which based on
the plan I considered a long shot) After it failed Carter was "dead
man walking" politically against Reagan.

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 18:48:08 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> OTOH I vividly remember Jimmy Carter's stupid and ineffective
>>
>> Entire presidency.
>
> Carter only beat Ford 51-49 despite Ford's pardon of Nixon.
>
> Carter's most embarassing moment had to be his "Moral Equivalent of

Not the lusting in his heart business?

> War" speech which was on energy self-sufficiency and was an excellent
> speech but the worst possible acronym which the press used to ridicule
> a fairly serious presentation on the subject.
>
> https://www.cato.org/blog/four-decades-moral-equivalent-war
>
> Even with that lapse he would have been reelected had he either not
> attempted an Iranian rescue or been successful at it. (Which based on
> the plan I considered a long shot) After it failed Carter was "dead
> man walking" politically against Reagan.
>

--
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

On Wednesday, 8 December 2021 at 18:03:41 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> A Friend wrote:
>
> >OTOH I vividly remember Jimmy Carter's stupid and ineffective boycott
> >of the Moscow Olympics.
> Jimmah made me register for the draft. I was so scary I was going to get
> the Rooskies out of Afghanistan.
>
> Let's not forget that the Rooskies invading Afghanistan was kind of his
> fault in the first place for screwing around there.
> >Those kids were supposed to pay the tab for
> >Carter's inability to do much of anything about the Soviets and
> >Afghanistan. The athletes were crushed, of course, and they had every
> >right to feel that way. BTW Carter held a phony medal ceremony for the
> >Olympians shortly after. Many didn't want to go, but attendance turned
> >out to be compulsory -- that is, they and their schools were threatened
> >with loss of funding and future access, and of course some still hoped
> >to make the next Olympics. Even the athletes who were (unsuccessfully)
> >suing Carter had to attend and just stand there silently while Carter
> >draped them with phony medals. A few said later that they pitched
> >them.
> Carter was horrid. I agree.

I think Biden is too, but I'd support him if he showed just a tad more backbone: (Maybe he is?)

CNN)Chinese and Russian state media are working in overdrive to denigrate the Biden administration's Summit for Democracy taking place this week, calling the project hypocritical.
A flurry of tweets from Chinese diplomats refer to the event as a "so-called" democracy summit, while a Russian political commentator writing in a state-run Chinese newspaper compared the US initiative to "a mistress of a brothel teaching morale [sic] to schoolgirls."
That the media blitz is coming from official mouthpieces — and not shadowy bots and trolls —reflects anxiety over US efforts to rally support for democratic norms and potentially isolate Beijing and Moscow in the process, experts on authoritarian propaganda tell CNN.

"[China and Russia] see this as an opportunity to exacerbate cynicism in the political West and undermine any headlines that come out of this summit," said Jessica Brandt, policy director for the Artificial Intelligence and Emerging Technology Initiative at the Brookings Institution.

'An alternate view'

It's a familiar playbook, the type of influence operation that the US will likely have to contend with for years as it competes with the repressive governments to shape global opinions on governance, according to analysts.
"You're seeing this really concerted effort [from China] to undermine US democracy and put forward an alternate view," said Kenton Thibaut, a resident China fellow at the Atlantic Council's Digital Forensic Research Lab.

In article <sordk9$1c9$1@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:
>A Friend wrote:

>>OTOH I vividly remember Jimmy Carter's stupid and ineffective boycott
>>of the Moscow Olympics.
>
>Jimmah made me register for the draft. I was so scary I was going to get
>the Rooskies out of Afghanistan.
>
>Let's not forget that the Rooskies invading Afghanistan was kind of his
>fault in the first place for screwing around there.
>
>>Those kids were supposed to pay the tab for
>>Carter's inability to do much of anything about the Soviets and
>>Afghanistan. The athletes were crushed, of course, and they had every
>>right to feel that way. BTW Carter held a phony medal ceremony for the
>>Olympians shortly after. Many didn't want to go, but attendance turned
>>out to be compulsory -- that is, they and their schools were threatened
>>with loss of funding and future access, and of course some still hoped
>>to make the next Olympics. Even the athletes who were (unsuccessfully)
>>suing Carter had to attend and just stand there silently while Carter
>>draped them with phony medals. A few said later that they pitched
>>them.
>
>Carter was horrid. I agree.

Not as bad as Obama and Resident Joke Biden.
You know, Jimmy's going to need plastic surgery to remove that smile.

--
Jimmy Carter: History's Greatest Monster

lcraver@home.ca wrote:

>Even with that lapse [Jimmy Carter] would have been reelected had he either
>not attempted an Iranian rescue or been successful at it.

TROLL-O-METER
5* 6* *7
4* *8
3* *9
2* *10
1* | *stuporous
0* -*- *catatonic
* |\ *comatose
* \ *clinical death
* \ *biological death
* _\/ *demonic apparition
* * *damned for all eternity

In article <fr13rghafof03bdh16g1vjihvljg3s7sjk@4ax.com>, The Horny Goat
<lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 18:48:08 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> OTOH I vividly remember Jimmy Carter's stupid and ineffective
> >
> >Entire presidency.
>
> Carter only beat Ford 51-49 despite Ford's pardon of Nixon.

Ford's "re-election" (which is how the dopes of the time described it)
almost succeeded. He was coming back strong, perhaps because people
were digesting the idea of Carter actually becoming president. The
election was on Nov 2, the earliest possible date. If it had been even
a few days later, I think Ford might have squeaked it.

> Carter's most embarassing moment had to be his "Moral Equivalent of
> War" speech which was on energy self-sufficiency and was an excellent
> speech but the worst possible acronym which the press used to ridicule
> a fairly serious presentation on the subject.
>
> https://www.cato.org/blog/four-decades-moral-equivalent-war
>
> Even with that lapse he would have been reelected had he either not
> attempted an Iranian rescue or been successful at it. (Which based on
> the plan I considered a long shot) After it failed Carter was "dead
> man walking" politically against Reagan.

The Iran hostage thing happened because David Rockefeller persuaded
Carter to allow the Shah of Iran to come into the country for treatment
of his cancer. Carter was an idiot for allowing it. The Iranian
radicals had promised there would be consequences.

A Friend wrote:

>The Iran hostage thing happened because David Rockefeller persuaded
>Carter to allow the Shah of Iran to come into the country for treatment
>of his cancer. Carter was an idiot for allowing it. The Iranian
>radicals had promised there would be consequences.

Don't make me defend Jimmah!

I've said this before and I'll say it again: You want to give your vile
dictators a soft landing somewhere. Why? They won't leave. The worst
possible human rights violations, like the Holocaust, tend to occur when
the regime is about to lose a war or is on its last legs.

On Thu, 09 Dec 2021 07:19:09 -0500, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
wrote:

>Not as bad as Obama and Resident Joke Biden.
>You know, Jimmy's going to need plastic surgery to remove that smile.

Plastic surgery at age 97?!?

On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 20:11:10 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>I've said this before and I'll say it again: You want to give your vile
>dictators a soft landing somewhere. Why? They won't leave. The worst
>possible human rights violations, like the Holocaust, tend to occur when
>the regime is about to lose a war or is on its last legs.

Actually the majority of Jews killed in the Holocaust were killed
before the end of 1942 - e.g. before Stalingrad

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aau7292

with April - August being the worst months. There was another but
smaller spike in the spring / summer of 1944.

From my reading at least so far as the eastern front is concerned
Stalingrad (August 1942 - Jan 1943) proved the Germans couldn't win
while Kursk (June/July/Aug 1943) proved the Soviets WOULD win.

In the west the Germans were driven out of Africa Dec 1942 - May 1943
(and in the end lost nearly as many men at Tunis as at Stalingrad with
fighting in Italy 1943-45 and France (summer 1944 - end)

By July 1944 (e.g. the breakout from Normandy) the vast majority of
Holocaust victims had already been murdered. At that point Germany was
NOT "on its last legs" though it clearly wasn't looking good for them.

lcraver@home.ca wrote:
> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

>>Not as bad as Obama and Resident Joke Biden.
>>You know, Jimmy's going to need plastic surgery to remove that smile.
>
>Plastic surgery at age 97?!?

Looking like Mr Sardonicus is not a good look.

--
Let's go Brandon!

In article <sotnsu$m6$5@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:

>I've said this before and I'll say it again: You want to give your vile
>dictators a soft landing somewhere. Why? They won't leave. The worst
>possible human rights violations, like the Holocaust, tend to occur when
>the regime is about to lose a war or is on its last legs.

No, the Holocaust had been going on for quite awhile.

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