A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
> In article
> <2049473853.662829763.088178.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>> anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
>>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> How long until we start seeing endless links from Mime about how the
>>>>> aliens and the Jooz are conspiring together to dominate us all?
>>>>
>>>> The Vatican was running an observatory in Tucson decades ago for the stated
>>>> purpose of being the first one to spot the aliens incoming so that they
>>>> could be the ones to convert them.
>>>>
>>>> It always amazes me that they were so hypocritical they even let an
>>>> observatory run when it¹s based on stuff like the earth going around the
>>>> sun.
>>>
>>> Did they ever "forgive" Galileo?
>>
>> Yeah, they undamned him a while back. They didn¹t go so far as to admit he
>> was right, but simply said that they shouldn¹t have sent him to hell for
>> having an opposing viewpoint. I take this to mean that the Vatican still
>> holds the official position that the sun goes around the earth.
>
>
> Close enough. It took the church until 1992 to apologize for the harm
> it had done. If you look, though, you will find then-contemporary
> articles by priests continuing to defend the church's condemnation of
> Galileo on the basis that he hadn't followed proper procedures.
>
> And people still pay attention to these assholes?
>

Amazeballs, isn’t it?

--
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

On 2022-01-01 4:12 a.m., A Friend wrote:
> In article
> <613718458.662704766.570553.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> How long until we start seeing endless links from Mime about how the aliens
>>> and the Jooz are conspiring together to dominate us all?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.indy100.com/science-tech/nasa-experts-prepare-alien-contact-b198
>>> 3352
>>>
>>
>> The Vatican was running an observatory in Tucson decades ago for the stated
>> purpose of being the first one to spot the aliens incoming so that they
>> could be the ones to convert them.
>>
>> It always amazes me that they were so hypocritical they even let an
>> observatory run when it¹s based on stuff like the earth going around the
>> sun.
>
>
> It'd be hilarious if it hadn't been so tragic. The Vatican knew that
> Earth went around the sun, that the world was round, etc., but it felt
> that the populace had to be kept ignorant. The ensuing oppression by
> the Vatican drove the governments of northern Europe out of the church,
> which broke the church's power. That's when real political and
> scientific progress started in Europe. And here we are.

Yeah...that's not real. The Vatican never tried to suppress the
knowledge that the Earth is round and didn't know that the solar system
was heliocentric. The Reformation wasn't about astronomy and real
political and scientific progress in Europe has more to do with the
invention of movable type and the sticky ink and cheap paper that made
it work.

On 2022-01-02 8:32 a.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>> anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> How long until we start seeing endless links from Mime about how the
>>>> aliens and the Jooz are conspiring together to dominate us all?
>>>
>>> The Vatican was running an observatory in Tucson decades ago for the stated
>>> purpose of being the first one to spot the aliens incoming so that they
>>> could be the ones to convert them.
>>>
>>> It always amazes me that they were so hypocritical they even let an
>>> observatory run when it’s based on stuff like the earth going around the
>>> sun.
>>
>> Did they ever "forgive" Galileo?
>
> Yeah, they undamned him a while back. They didn’t go so far as to admit he
> was right, but simply said that they shouldn’t have sent him to hell for
> having an opposing viewpoint. I take this to mean that the Vatican still
> holds the official position that the sun goes around the earth.
>

The RCC conceded the issue in 1822 when they removed Galileo's Dialogue
from the Index Prohibitorum. Although the banning of it in the first
place had more to do with calling the Pope "Simplicio" than the
scientific theory. They didn't have a problem with Copernicus.

David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 2022-01-01 4:12 a.m., A Friend wrote:

>>>. . .
>>It'd be hilarious if it hadn't been so tragic. The Vatican knew that
>>Earth went around the sun, that the world was round, etc., but it felt
>>that the populace had to be kept ignorant. The ensuing oppression by
>>the Vatican drove the governments of northern Europe out of the church,
>>which broke the church's power. That's when real political and
>>scientific progress started in Europe. And here we are.

>Yeah...that's not real. The Vatican never tried to suppress the
>knowledge that the Earth is round and didn't know that the solar system
>was heliocentric.

Galileo was summoned before the Inquisition multiple times, warned not
to espouse heliocentrism, then finally put on trial and forced to
denounce his heresy. The Church suppressed publication of Copernicus's
most famous work.

>The Reformation wasn't about astronomy and real political and scientific
>progress in Europe has more to do with the invention of movable type
>and the sticky ink and cheap paper that made it work.

No, Johnston. The Reformation was about individual liberty to interpret
the Bible.

How did you fail to learn the most basic facts about European history in
elementary school?

David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 2022-01-02 8:32 a.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
>>Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
>>>>BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>>>>>How long until we start seeing endless links from Mime about how the
>>>>>aliens and the Jooz are conspiring together to dominate us all?

>>>>The Vatican was running an observatory in Tucson decades ago for the stated
>>>>purpose of being the first one to spot the aliens incoming so that they
>>>>could be the ones to convert them.

>>>>It always amazes me that they were so hypocritical they even let an
>>>>observatory run when it’s based on stuff like the earth going around the
>>>>sun.

>>>Did they ever "forgive" Galileo?

>>Yeah, they undamned him a while back. They didn’t go so far as to admit he
>>was right, but simply said that they shouldn’t have sent him to hell for
>>having an opposing viewpoint. I take this to mean that the Vatican still
>>holds the official position that the sun goes around the earth.

>The RCC conceded the issue in 1822 when they removed Galileo's Dialogue
>from the Index Prohibitorum. Although the banning of it in the first
>place had more to do with calling the Pope "Simplicio" than the
>scientific theory. They didn't have a problem with Copernicus.

Other than banning Copernicus's book...

You're such a goddam liar, Johnston.

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:06:48 PM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> David Johnston <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 2022-01-01 4:12 a.m., A Friend wrote:
> >>>. . .
> >>It'd be hilarious if it hadn't been so tragic. The Vatican knew that
> >>Earth went around the sun, that the world was round, etc., but it felt
> >>that the populace had to be kept ignorant. The ensuing oppression by
> >>the Vatican drove the governments of northern Europe out of the church,
> >>which broke the church's power. That's when real political and
> >>scientific progress started in Europe. And here we are.
>
> >Yeah...that's not real. The Vatican never tried to suppress the
> >knowledge that the Earth is round and didn't know that the solar system
> >was heliocentric.
> Galileo was summoned before the Inquisition multiple times, warned not
> to espouse heliocentrism, then finally put on trial and forced to
> denounce his heresy. The Church suppressed publication of Copernicus's
> most famous work.
> >The Reformation wasn't about astronomy and real political and scientific
> >progress in Europe has more to do with the invention of movable type
> >and the sticky ink and cheap paper that made it work.

> No, Johnston. The Reformation was about individual liberty to interpret
> the Bible.
>
> How did you fail to learn the most basic facts about European history in
> elementary school?

Martin Luther would nail Johnstons johnson to the door of the Vatican

On 1/2/2022 12:06 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-01-01 4:12 a.m., A Friend wrote:
>
>>>> . . .
>
>>> It'd be hilarious if it hadn't been so tragic. The Vatican knew that
>>> Earth went around the sun, that the world was round, etc., but it felt
>>> that the populace had to be kept ignorant. The ensuing oppression by
>>> the Vatican drove the governments of northern Europe out of the church,
>>> which broke the church's power. That's when real political and
>>> scientific progress started in Europe. And here we are.
>
>> Yeah...that's not real. The Vatican never tried to suppress the
>> knowledge that the Earth is round and didn't know that the solar system
>> was heliocentric.
>
> Galileo was summoned before the Inquisition multiple times, warned not
> to espouse heliocentrism, then finally put on trial and forced to
> denounce his heresy. The Church suppressed publication of Copernicus's
> most famous work.
>
>> The Reformation wasn't about astronomy and real political and scientific
>> progress in Europe has more to do with the invention of movable type
>> and the sticky ink and cheap paper that made it work.
>
> No, Johnston. The Reformation was about individual liberty to interpret
> the Bible.
>
> How did you fail to learn the most basic facts about European history in
> elementary school?
>
We didn't have european history in elementary school except in passing.

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:31:42 PM UTC-5, suzeeq wrote:
> On 1/2/2022 12:06 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > David Johnston <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On 2022-01-01 4:12 a.m., A Friend wrote:
> >
> >>>> . . .
> >
> >>> It'd be hilarious if it hadn't been so tragic. The Vatican knew that
> >>> Earth went around the sun, that the world was round, etc., but it felt
> >>> that the populace had to be kept ignorant. The ensuing oppression by
> >>> the Vatican drove the governments of northern Europe out of the church,
> >>> which broke the church's power. That's when real political and
> >>> scientific progress started in Europe. And here we are.
> >
> >> Yeah...that's not real. The Vatican never tried to suppress the
> >> knowledge that the Earth is round and didn't know that the solar system
> >> was heliocentric.
> >
> > Galileo was summoned before the Inquisition multiple times, warned not
> > to espouse heliocentrism, then finally put on trial and forced to
> > denounce his heresy. The Church suppressed publication of Copernicus's
> > most famous work.
> >
> >> The Reformation wasn't about astronomy and real political and scientific
> >> progress in Europe has more to do with the invention of movable type
> >> and the sticky ink and cheap paper that made it work.
> >
> > No, Johnston. The Reformation was about individual liberty to interpret
> > the Bible.
> >
> > How did you fail to learn the most basic facts about European history in
> > elementary school?
> >

> We didn't have european history in elementary school except in passing.

How can you pass a course you didn't have?

--------

Johnston should know the answer to this question...

suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>On 1/2/2022 12:06 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>On 2022-01-01 4:12 a.m., A Friend wrote:

>>>>>. . .

>>>>It'd be hilarious if it hadn't been so tragic. The Vatican knew that
>>>>Earth went around the sun, that the world was round, etc., but it felt
>>>>that the populace had to be kept ignorant. The ensuing oppression by
>>>>the Vatican drove the governments of northern Europe out of the church,
>>>>which broke the church's power. That's when real political and
>>>>scientific progress started in Europe. And here we are.

>>>Yeah...that's not real. The Vatican never tried to suppress the
>>>knowledge that the Earth is round and didn't know that the solar system
>>>was heliocentric.

>>Galileo was summoned before the Inquisition multiple times, warned not
>>to espouse heliocentrism, then finally put on trial and forced to
>>denounce his heresy. The Church suppressed publication of Copernicus's
>>most famous work.

>>>The Reformation wasn't about astronomy and real political and scientific
>>>progress in Europe has more to do with the invention of movable type
>>>and the sticky ink and cheap paper that made it work.

>>No, Johnston. The Reformation was about individual liberty to interpret
>>the Bible.

>>How did you fail to learn the most basic facts about European history in
>>elementary school?
>We didn't have european history in elementary school except in passing.

Whatever age you were, did you or did you not learn that the Church
suppressed publication of scientific findings in order to retain its
ability to have the final word on all thought?

Surely Johnston learned it as well, but he's being his usual nasty self.

In article <sqshug$vfr$1@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> A Friend wrote:
> >anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
> >>Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
> >>>anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
> >>>>BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>>>>How long until we start seeing endless links from Mime about how the
> >>>>>aliens and the Jooz are conspiring together to dominate us all?
>
> >>>>The Vatican was running an observatory in Tucson decades ago for the
> >>>>stated
> >>>>purpose of being the first one to spot the aliens incoming so that they
> >>>>could be the ones to convert them.
>
> >>>>It always amazes me that they were so hypocritical they even let an
> >>>>observatory run when it's based on stuff like the earth going around the
> >>>>sun.
>
> >>>Did they ever "forgive" Galileo?
>
> >>Yeah, they undamned him a while back. They didn't go so far as to admit he
> >>was right, but simply said that they shouldn't have sent him to hell for
> >>having an opposing viewpoint. I take this to mean that the Vatican still
> >>holds the official position that the sun goes around the earth.
>
> >Close enough. It took the church until 1992 to apologize for the harm
> >it had done. If you look, though, you will find then-contemporary
> >articles by priests continuing to defend the church's condemnation of
> >Galileo on the basis that he hadn't followed proper procedures.
>
> >And people still pay attention to these assholes?
>
> Jews are all still going to Hell, right?

I'm going to hell for supporting abortion rights, so see ya there.

In article <47bb2938-6d23-428d-959e-986318048834n@googlegroups.com>,
chromebook test <chromiumtest56@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 10:56:04 AM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > A Friend wrote:
> > >anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
> > >>Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
> > >>>anim...@cox.net wrote:
> > >>>>BTR1701 <no_e...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>How long until we start seeing endless links from Mime about how the
> > >>>>>aliens and the Jooz are conspiring together to dominate us all?
> >
> > >>>>The Vatican was running an observatory in Tucson decades ago for the
> > >>>>stated
> > >>>>purpose of being the first one to spot the aliens incoming so that they
> > >>>>could be the ones to convert them.
> >
> > >>>>It always amazes me that they were so hypocritical they even let an
> > >>>>observatory run when it's based on stuff like the earth going around the
> > >>>>sun.
> >
> > >>>Did they ever "forgive" Galileo?
> > >>Yeah, they undamned him a while back. They didn't go so far as to admit
> > >>he
> > >>was right, but simply said that they shouldn't have sent him to hell for
> > >>having an opposing viewpoint. I take this to mean that the Vatican still
> > >>holds the official position that the sun goes around the earth.
> >
> > >Close enough. It took the church until 1992 to apologize for the harm
> > >it had done. If you look, though, you will find then-contemporary
> > >articles by priests continuing to defend the church's condemnation of
> > >Galileo on the basis that he hadn't followed proper procedures.
> >
> > >And people still pay attention to these assholes?
> > Jews are all still going to Hell, right?
>
>
> Jesus was a Jew. According to tradition, after the crucifixion and before
> ascending to the heavenly throne, Jesus went to hell for a couple days.

I don't know how the hell they knew, but the nuns said Jesus toured
purgatory (which is a thing they made up) and brought all the
unbaptized souls with him to heaven. One of the kids asked if this
also meant cavemen, and the nun said yes. And there goeth the
neighborhood.

> Besides, hell is more fun than heaven anyway, especially for professional
> Hollywood writers whose stock and trade has 'conflict' at it's core.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.tv/c/J944LEQXy3E/m/YcCx32BlDgAJ

In article <sqst67$m1h$1@gioia.aioe.org>, David Johnston
<davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 2022-01-01 4:12 a.m., A Friend wrote:
> > In article
> > <613718458.662704766.570553.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
> > anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>> How long until we start seeing endless links from Mime about how the
> >>> aliens
> >>> and the Jooz are conspiring together to dominate us all?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://www.indy100.com/science-tech/nasa-experts-prepare-alien-contact-b1
> >>> 98
> >>> 3352
> >>>
> >>
> >> The Vatican was running an observatory in Tucson decades ago for the stated
> >> purpose of being the first one to spot the aliens incoming so that they
> >> could be the ones to convert them.
> >>
> >> It always amazes me that they were so hypocritical they even let an
> >> observatory run when it1s based on stuff like the earth going around the
> >> sun.
> >
> >
> > It'd be hilarious if it hadn't been so tragic. The Vatican knew that
> > Earth went around the sun, that the world was round, etc., but it felt
> > that the populace had to be kept ignorant. The ensuing oppression by
> > the Vatican drove the governments of northern Europe out of the church,
> > which broke the church's power. That's when real political and
> > scientific progress started in Europe. And here we are.
>
> Yeah...that's not real.

Yeah ... it sure as hell is.

> The Vatican never tried to suppress the knowledge that the Earth is
> round and didn't know that the solar system was heliocentric. The
> Reformation wasn't about astronomy and real political and scientific
> progress in Europe has more to do with the invention of movable type
> and the sticky ink and cheap paper that made it work.

I don't know where that stuff is coming from. It sounds like apologist
garbage.

On 1/2/2022 12:52 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>> On 1/2/2022 12:06 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-01-01 4:12 a.m., A Friend wrote:
>
>>>>>> . . .
>
>>>>> It'd be hilarious if it hadn't been so tragic. The Vatican knew that
>>>>> Earth went around the sun, that the world was round, etc., but it felt
>>>>> that the populace had to be kept ignorant. The ensuing oppression by
>>>>> the Vatican drove the governments of northern Europe out of the church,
>>>>> which broke the church's power. That's when real political and
>>>>> scientific progress started in Europe. And here we are.
>
>>>> Yeah...that's not real. The Vatican never tried to suppress the
>>>> knowledge that the Earth is round and didn't know that the solar system
>>>> was heliocentric.
>
>>> Galileo was summoned before the Inquisition multiple times, warned not
>>> to espouse heliocentrism, then finally put on trial and forced to
>>> denounce his heresy. The Church suppressed publication of Copernicus's
>>> most famous work.
>
>>>> The Reformation wasn't about astronomy and real political and scientific
>>>> progress in Europe has more to do with the invention of movable type
>>>> and the sticky ink and cheap paper that made it work.
>
>>> No, Johnston. The Reformation was about individual liberty to interpret
>>> the Bible.
>
>>> How did you fail to learn the most basic facts about European history in
>>> elementary school?
>
>> We didn't have european history in elementary school except in passing.
>
> Whatever age you were, did you or did you not learn that the Church
> suppressed publication of scientific findings in order to retain its
> ability to have the final word on all thought?

I didn't learn it in school, but after I left college.

> Surely Johnston learned it as well, but he's being his usual nasty self.
>
Maybe he didn't.

In article <sqt84o$gecp$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:

> On 1/2/2022 12:52 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
> >> On 1/2/2022 12:06 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-01-01 4:12 a.m., A Friend wrote:
> >
> >>>>>> . . .
> >
> >>>>> It'd be hilarious if it hadn't been so tragic. The Vatican knew that
> >>>>> Earth went around the sun, that the world was round, etc., but it felt
> >>>>> that the populace had to be kept ignorant. The ensuing oppression by
> >>>>> the Vatican drove the governments of northern Europe out of the church,
> >>>>> which broke the church's power. That's when real political and
> >>>>> scientific progress started in Europe. And here we are.
> >
> >>>> Yeah...that's not real. The Vatican never tried to suppress the
> >>>> knowledge that the Earth is round and didn't know that the solar system
> >>>> was heliocentric.
> >
> >>> Galileo was summoned before the Inquisition multiple times, warned not
> >>> to espouse heliocentrism, then finally put on trial and forced to
> >>> denounce his heresy. The Church suppressed publication of Copernicus's
> >>> most famous work.
> >
> >>>> The Reformation wasn't about astronomy and real political and scientific
> >>>> progress in Europe has more to do with the invention of movable type
> >>>> and the sticky ink and cheap paper that made it work.
> >
> >>> No, Johnston. The Reformation was about individual liberty to interpret
> >>> the Bible.
> >
> >>> How did you fail to learn the most basic facts about European history in
> >>> elementary school?
> >
> >> We didn't have european history in elementary school except in passing.
> >
> > Whatever age you were, did you or did you not learn that the Church
> > suppressed publication of scientific findings in order to retain its
> > ability to have the final word on all thought?
>
> I didn't learn it in school, but after I left college.
>
> > Surely Johnston learned it as well, but he's being his usual nasty self.
> >
> Maybe he didn't.

I went to Catholic school, so of course they taught us nothing about
this, except to call it the Protestant Revolt instead of the
Reformation.

On 1/2/2022 2:21 PM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <sqt84o$gecp$1@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/2/2022 12:52 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>> On 1/2/2022 12:06 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-01-01 4:12 a.m., A Friend wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> . . .
>>>
>>>>>>> It'd be hilarious if it hadn't been so tragic. The Vatican knew that
>>>>>>> Earth went around the sun, that the world was round, etc., but it felt
>>>>>>> that the populace had to be kept ignorant. The ensuing oppression by
>>>>>>> the Vatican drove the governments of northern Europe out of the church,
>>>>>>> which broke the church's power. That's when real political and
>>>>>>> scientific progress started in Europe. And here we are.
>>>
>>>>>> Yeah...that's not real. The Vatican never tried to suppress the
>>>>>> knowledge that the Earth is round and didn't know that the solar system
>>>>>> was heliocentric.
>>>
>>>>> Galileo was summoned before the Inquisition multiple times, warned not
>>>>> to espouse heliocentrism, then finally put on trial and forced to
>>>>> denounce his heresy. The Church suppressed publication of Copernicus's
>>>>> most famous work.
>>>
>>>>>> The Reformation wasn't about astronomy and real political and scientific
>>>>>> progress in Europe has more to do with the invention of movable type
>>>>>> and the sticky ink and cheap paper that made it work.
>>>
>>>>> No, Johnston. The Reformation was about individual liberty to interpret
>>>>> the Bible.
>>>
>>>>> How did you fail to learn the most basic facts about European history in
>>>>> elementary school?
>>>
>>>> We didn't have european history in elementary school except in passing.
>>>
>>> Whatever age you were, did you or did you not learn that the Church
>>> suppressed publication of scientific findings in order to retain its
>>> ability to have the final word on all thought?
>>
>> I didn't learn it in school, but after I left college.
>>
>>> Surely Johnston learned it as well, but he's being his usual nasty self.
>>>
>> Maybe he didn't.
>
>
> I went to Catholic school, so of course they taught us nothing about
> this, except to call it the Protestant Revolt instead of the
> Reformation.

Yeah, it may have been mentioned in my parochial elementary school. I
read a lot of historical fiction in high school so learned an
alternative version of the heretical uprising.

On 1/2/2022 4:50 PM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <47bb2938-6d23-428d-959e-986318048834n@googlegroups.com>,
> chromebook test <chromiumtest56@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 10:56:04 AM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> A Friend wrote:
>>>> anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>>>> anim...@cox.net wrote:
>>>>>>> BTR1701 <no_e...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> How long until we start seeing endless links from Mime about how the
>>>>>>>> aliens and the Jooz are conspiring together to dominate us all?
>>>
>>>>>>> The Vatican was running an observatory in Tucson decades ago for the
>>>>>>> stated
>>>>>>> purpose of being the first one to spot the aliens incoming so that they
>>>>>>> could be the ones to convert them.
>>>
>>>>>>> It always amazes me that they were so hypocritical they even let an
>>>>>>> observatory run when it's based on stuff like the earth going around the
>>>>>>> sun.
>>>
>>>>>> Did they ever "forgive" Galileo?
>>>>> Yeah, they undamned him a while back. They didn't go so far as to admit
>>>>> he
>>>>> was right, but simply said that they shouldn't have sent him to hell for
>>>>> having an opposing viewpoint. I take this to mean that the Vatican still
>>>>> holds the official position that the sun goes around the earth.
>>>
>>>> Close enough. It took the church until 1992 to apologize for the harm
>>>> it had done. If you look, though, you will find then-contemporary
>>>> articles by priests continuing to defend the church's condemnation of
>>>> Galileo on the basis that he hadn't followed proper procedures.
>>>
>>>> And people still pay attention to these assholes?
>>> Jews are all still going to Hell, right?
>>
>>
>> Jesus was a Jew. According to tradition, after the crucifixion and before
>> ascending to the heavenly throne, Jesus went to hell for a couple days.
>
>
> I don't know how the hell they knew, but the nuns said Jesus toured
> purgatory (which is a thing they made up) and brought all the
> unbaptized souls with him to heaven. One of the kids asked if this
> also meant cavemen, and the nun said yes. And there goeth the
> neighborhood.
> ...

Not so(eth). There are worse visions of Heaven than a giant man-cave...

On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 20:06:44 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>The Reformation wasn't about astronomy and real political and scientific
>>progress in Europe has more to do with the invention of movable type
>>and the sticky ink and cheap paper that made it work.
>
>No, Johnston. The Reformation was about individual liberty to interpret
>the Bible.
>
>How did you fail to learn the most basic facts about European history in
>elementary school?

While you're right I think it's now quite clear the power of the
Reformers' message was amplified by the printing press and may well
have been suppressed as previous would-be reformers had been before
the era of the printing press.

Would Jan Hus have been burned had his ideas been distributed by the
press? Would Martin Luther have been burned without it? I'd argue the
answers are no and yes respectively.