One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after. The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.

RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

>One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
>The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.

It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
heat worked.

On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
> >The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.
> It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
> unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
> heat worked.
No sprinklers?

RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
>>>The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.

>>It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
>>unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
>>heat worked.

>No sprinklers?

I have no idea, but the 19 deaths and 5 dozen serious injuries were due
to smoke inhalation.

On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 01:44:07 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
> >>>The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.
>
> >>It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
> >>unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
> >>heat worked.
>
> >No sprinklers?
> I have no idea, but the 19 deaths and 5 dozen serious injuries were due
> to smoke inhalation.

So what? Where the is no FIRE there is no smoke.

In article <cfd7f6b0-648d-465a-b7f3-eae8eaff0119n@googlegroups.com>,
RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 01:44:07 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > >>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
> > >>>The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.
> >
> > >>It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
> > >>unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
> > >>heat worked.
> >
> > >No sprinklers?
> > I have no idea, but the 19 deaths and 5 dozen serious injuries were due
> > to smoke inhalation.
>
> So what? Where the is no FIRE there is no smoke.

Nonsense. Smoke can go anywhere, killing people fifteen or twenty
stories or more above the fire. Smokes rises, dude, and it follows
along ventilation systems, elevator shafts, etc.

People sometimes use space heaters because building-supplied heat
doesn't necessarily make it to all parts of the house or apartment.

This is pretty basic stuff.

On 1/10/2022 5:57 AM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <cfd7f6b0-648d-465a-b7f3-eae8eaff0119n@googlegroups.com>,
> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 01:44:07 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
>>>>>> The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.
>>>
>>>>> It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
>>>>> unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
>>>>> heat worked.
>>>
>>>> No sprinklers?
>>> I have no idea, but the 19 deaths and 5 dozen serious injuries were due
>>> to smoke inhalation.
>>
>> So what? Where the is no FIRE there is no smoke.
>
>
>
> Nonsense.

Are you familiar with Rich A Vegetable's work?

RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 01:44:07 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
>>>>>The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.

>>>>It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
>>>>unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
>>>>heat worked.

>>>No sprinklers?

>>I have no idea, but the 19 deaths and 5 dozen serious injuries were due
>>to smoke inhalation.

>So what? Where the is no FIRE there is no smoke.

The fire started with a faulty space heater on the third floor. It
remained in a third-floor hallway and spread because a door was left
open. This said the smoke spread as well due to the open door, but
that's hard to believe.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dozens-injured-alarm-fire-york-city-apartment-building/story?id=82164322

Smoke spread to the upper stories. 13 of those injured (I read 5 dozen
injured in another article) had life-threatening injuries and were taken
to hospitals. The injuries were all due to smoke inhalation, not burns.
I didn't find any statements that any of the dead were burned.

I doubt very much there were sprinklers. This was a 19-story high rise
built in 1972 and that wouldn't have been code at the time. Is it today?
I have no idea but sprinklers in residential high rises have never been
typical.

A Friend wrote:

>. . .

>People sometimes use space heaters because building-supplied heat
>doesn't necessarily make it to all parts of the house or apartment.

Eh. This was a 1972 high rise. I'll guess forced air and not steam heat.
Heating a space and calculating the number of registers and returns is just
following the same formula they've been using since the start. How to
keep a certain volume of air flowing. The returns -- removing the cooled
air -- are more important than the registers. The builders may have
taken shortcuts on the HVAC, or the insulation or windows need replacement
after all these years. Early '70s, they didn't use adequate insulation.

>This is pretty basic stuff.

On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 13:51:58 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 01:44:07 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
>>>>>>The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.
>
>>>>>It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
>>>>>unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
>>>>>heat worked.
>
>>>>No sprinklers?
>
>>>I have no idea, but the 19 deaths and 5 dozen serious injuries were due
>>>to smoke inhalation.
>
>>So what? Where the is no FIRE there is no smoke.
>
>The fire started with a faulty space heater on the third floor. It
>remained in a third-floor hallway and spread because a door was left
>open. This said the smoke spread as well due to the open door, but
>that's hard to believe.
>
>https://abcnews.go.com/US/dozens-injured-alarm-fire-york-city-apartment-building/story?id=82164322
>
>Smoke spread to the upper stories. 13 of those injured (I read 5 dozen
>injured in another article) had life-threatening injuries and were taken
>to hospitals. The injuries were all due to smoke inhalation, not burns.
>I didn't find any statements that any of the dead were burned.
>
>I doubt very much there were sprinklers. This was a 19-story high rise
>built in 1972 and that wouldn't have been code at the time. Is it today?
>I have no idea but sprinklers in residential high rises have never been
>typical.

I don't know about NYC but I assume it's going to be similar to
California in this case. California requires sprinklers on homes above
a certain size so some of those ultra-sized mansions like the One have
sprinklers installed. I would have to imagine they do something
similar for new construction in NYC and likely every other major city
in the USA. Since fire is one of the hardest things to do with in any
high rise building so a sprinkler system gives the fire fighters a
better chance of containing and putting out a fire in a high rise
whether it be residential or commercial.

Ah, a quick Google search shows the following:

"As a general rule, all Group R occupancies in New York City must be
equipped with an automatic sprinkler system. The system must cover all
fire areas in the building, and the requirement applies for any mixed
occupancies where Group R predominates."

https://www.ny-engineers.com/blog/residential-sprinkler-systems-in-new-york-city

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>. . .

>Ah, a quick Google search shows the following:

>"As a general rule, all Group R occupancies in New York City must be
>equipped with an automatic sprinkler system. The system must cover all
>fire areas in the building, and the requirement applies for any mixed
>occupancies where Group R predominates."

>https://www.ny-engineers.com/blog/residential-sprinkler-systems-in-new-york-city

Since you read it, is it retroactive to a building built in 1972, or not?

On 1/10/22 3:57 AM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <cfd7f6b0-648d-465a-b7f3-eae8eaff0119n@googlegroups.com>,
> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 01:44:07 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
>>>>>> The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.
>>>
>>>>> It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
>>>>> unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
>>>>> heat worked.
>>>
>>>> No sprinklers?
>>> I have no idea, but the 19 deaths and 5 dozen serious injuries were due
>>> to smoke inhalation.
>>
>> So what? Where the is no FIRE there is no smoke.
>
>
>
> Nonsense. Smoke can go anywhere, killing people fifteen or twenty
> stories or more above the fire. Smokes rises, dude, and it follows
> along ventilation systems, elevator shafts, etc.
>
> People sometimes use space heaters because building-supplied heat
> doesn't necessarily make it to all parts of the house or apartment.
>
> This is pretty basic stuff.
>
don't go confusing rich with facts

On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 06:57:56 UTC-5, A Friend wrote:
> In article <cfd7f6b0-648d-465a...@googlegroups.com>,
> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 01:44:07 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > > RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > > >>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >>>One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
> > > >>>The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.
> > >
> > > >>It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
> > > >>unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
> > > >>heat worked.
> > >
> > > >No sprinklers?
> > > I have no idea, but the 19 deaths and 5 dozen serious injuries were due
> > > to smoke inhalation.
> >
> > So what? Where the is no FIRE there is no smoke.
> Nonsense. Smoke can go anywhere, killing people fifteen or twenty
> stories or more above the fire. Smokes rises, dude, and it follows
> along ventilation systems, elevator shafts, etc.
>
> People sometimes use space heaters because building-supplied heat
> doesn't necessarily make it to all parts of the house or apartment.
>
> This is pretty basic stuff.

The comment was broad-based, no smoke, no fire. Fire spreads as does smoke, so why is that in dispute?

On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 20:47:28 UTC-5, ZZyXX wrote:
> On 1/10/22 3:57 AM, A Friend wrote:
> > In article <cfd7f6b0-648d-465a...@googlegroups.com>,
> > RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 01:44:07 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>> One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
> >>>>>> The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.
> >>>
> >>>>> It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
> >>>>> unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
> >>>>> heat worked.
> >>>
> >>>> No sprinklers?
> >>> I have no idea, but the 19 deaths and 5 dozen serious injuries were due
> >>> to smoke inhalation.
> >>
> >> So what? Where the is no FIRE there is no smoke.
> >
> >
> >
> > Nonsense. Smoke can go anywhere, killing people fifteen or twenty
> > stories or more above the fire. Smokes rises, dude, and it follows
> > along ventilation systems, elevator shafts, etc.
> >
> > People sometimes use space heaters because building-supplied heat
> > doesn't necessarily make it to all parts of the house or apartment.
> >
> > This is pretty basic stuff.
> >
> don't go confusing rich with facts

Said Trotsky's echo.

RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 06:57:56 UTC-5, A Friend wrote:
>>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 01:44:07 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
>>>>>>>The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.

>>>>>>It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
>>>>>>unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
>>>>>>heat worked.

>>>>>No sprinklers?

>>>>I have no idea, but the 19 deaths and 5 dozen serious injuries were due
>>>>to smoke inhalation.

>>>So what? Where the is no FIRE there is no smoke.

>>Nonsense. Smoke can go anywhere, killing people fifteen or twenty
>>stories or more above the fire. Smokes rises, dude, and it follows
>>along ventilation systems, elevator shafts, etc.

>>People sometimes use space heaters because building-supplied heat
>>doesn't necessarily make it to all parts of the house or apartment.

>>This is pretty basic stuff.

>The comment was broad-based, no smoke, no fire. Fire spreads as does
>smoke, so why is that in dispute?

The fire didn't engulf the entire building, just the hallway. The smoke
adversely affected people on every single floor above.

I keep pointing this out to you and you keep ignoring it.

On Tuesday, 11 January 2022 at 01:02:37 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 06:57:56 UTC-5, A Friend wrote:
> >>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 01:44:07 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> >>>>>>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
> >>>>>>>The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.
>
> >>>>>>It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
> >>>>>>unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
> >>>>>>heat worked.
>
> >>>>>No sprinklers?
>
> >>>>I have no idea, but the 19 deaths and 5 dozen serious injuries were due
> >>>>to smoke inhalation.
>
> >>>So what? Where the is no FIRE there is no smoke.
>
> >>Nonsense. Smoke can go anywhere, killing people fifteen or twenty
> >>stories or more above the fire. Smokes rises, dude, and it follows
> >>along ventilation systems, elevator shafts, etc.
>
> >>People sometimes use space heaters because building-supplied heat
> >>doesn't necessarily make it to all parts of the house or apartment.
>
> >>This is pretty basic stuff.
>
> >The comment was broad-based, no smoke, no fire. Fire spreads as does
> >smoke, so why is that in dispute?
> The fire didn't engulf the entire building, just the hallway. The smoke
> adversely affected people on every single floor above.
>
> I keep pointing this out to you and you keep ignoring it.

Fine. The fire created all the smoke that engulfed the rest of the building. Just like the British Grenville fire from burning insulation killed all those people.
it's like airlines, cheap insulation burning off seats ends up killing most people in airline fires, unless of course the plane falls out of the sky.

On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:12:41 UTC-5, RichA wrote:
> One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after. The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.

Just like to add, New York politicians are still so under the thumbs of Shylock property owners and slumlords, they have laws that predate the Triangle property fire from the early 1900s.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 06:02:33 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 06:57:56 UTC-5, A Friend wrote:
>>>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 01:44:07 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>>RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
>>>>>>>>The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.
>
>>>>>>>It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
>>>>>>>unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
>>>>>>>heat worked.
>
>>>>>>No sprinklers?
>
>>>>>I have no idea, but the 19 deaths and 5 dozen serious injuries were due
>>>>>to smoke inhalation.
>
>>>>So what? Where the is no FIRE there is no smoke.
>
>>>Nonsense. Smoke can go anywhere, killing people fifteen or twenty
>>>stories or more above the fire. Smokes rises, dude, and it follows
>>>along ventilation systems, elevator shafts, etc.
>
>>>People sometimes use space heaters because building-supplied heat
>>>doesn't necessarily make it to all parts of the house or apartment.
>
>>>This is pretty basic stuff.
>
>>The comment was broad-based, no smoke, no fire. Fire spreads as does
>>smoke, so why is that in dispute?
>
>The fire didn't engulf the entire building, just the hallway. The smoke
>adversely affected people on every single floor above.
>
>I keep pointing this out to you and you keep ignoring it.

Smoke is always going to be the bigger danger as it will spread so
much faster than a fire will. I'm wondering did the smoke just work
its way up through the stair wells, or did it spread through the
ventilation system? In lower sized apartment buildings like mine the
ventilation system is individual for each apartment, but in a high
rise it's going to be one massive system (or perhaps a couple ) that
will feed the entire building providing which could work against them
in the case of smoke spreading through the building.

Also what sort of ventilation did they have available in the building.
In modern high rises every residence in NYC needs to have windows that
can open, if only a little, so they can bring in fresh air. I don't
know if that is true for older buildings.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 06:02:33 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 06:57:56 UTC-5, A Friend wrote:
>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 01:44:07 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
>>>>>>>>> The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.
>>
>>>>>>>> It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
>>>>>>>> unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
>>>>>>>> heat worked.
>>
>>>>>>> No sprinklers?
>>
>>>>>> I have no idea, but the 19 deaths and 5 dozen serious injuries were due
>>>>>> to smoke inhalation.
>>
>>>>> So what? Where the is no FIRE there is no smoke.
>>
>>>> Nonsense. Smoke can go anywhere, killing people fifteen or twenty
>>>> stories or more above the fire. Smokes rises, dude, and it follows
>>>> along ventilation systems, elevator shafts, etc.
>>
>>>> People sometimes use space heaters because building-supplied heat
>>>> doesn't necessarily make it to all parts of the house or apartment.
>>
>>>> This is pretty basic stuff.
>>
>>> The comment was broad-based, no smoke, no fire. Fire spreads as does
>>> smoke, so why is that in dispute?
>>
>> The fire didn't engulf the entire building, just the hallway. The smoke
>> adversely affected people on every single floor above.
>>
>> I keep pointing this out to you and you keep ignoring it.
>
> Smoke is always going to be the bigger danger as it will spread so
> much faster than a fire will. I'm wondering did the smoke just work
> its way up through the stair wells, or did it spread through the
> ventilation system? In lower sized apartment buildings like mine the
> ventilation system is individual for each apartment, but in a high
> rise it's going to be one massive system (or perhaps a couple ) that
> will feed the entire building providing which could work against them
> in the case of smoke spreading through the building.
>
> Also what sort of ventilation did they have available in the building.
> In modern high rises every residence in NYC needs to have windows that
> can open, if only a little, so they can bring in fresh air. I don't
> know if that is true for older buildings.

A window that can only open a little won't be of any use when a room is
filling with noxious smoke. And a window that can open a lot leads to
bodies dropping from great height, accidentally or otherwise.

On 1/11/2022 2:17 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 06:02:33 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 06:57:56 UTC-5, A Friend wrote:
>>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 01:44:07 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:42:01 UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after.
>>>>>>>>>> The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was a faulty space heater. I don't see how that makes the building
>>>>>>>>> unsafe, but one wonders why it was needed at all if the building
>>>>>>>>> heat worked.
>>>
>>>>>>>> No sprinklers?
>>>
>>>>>>> I have no idea, but the 19 deaths and 5 dozen serious injuries were due
>>>>>>> to smoke inhalation.
>>>
>>>>>> So what? Where the is no FIRE there is no smoke.
>>>
>>>>> Nonsense. Smoke can go anywhere, killing people fifteen or twenty
>>>>> stories or more above the fire. Smokes rises, dude, and it follows
>>>>> along ventilation systems, elevator shafts, etc.
>>>
>>>>> People sometimes use space heaters because building-supplied heat
>>>>> doesn't necessarily make it to all parts of the house or apartment.
>>>
>>>>> This is pretty basic stuff.
>>>
>>>> The comment was broad-based, no smoke, no fire. Fire spreads as does
>>>> smoke, so why is that in dispute?
>>>
>>> The fire didn't engulf the entire building, just the hallway. The smoke
>>> adversely affected people on every single floor above.
>>>
>>> I keep pointing this out to you and you keep ignoring it.
>>
>> Smoke is always going to be the bigger danger as it will spread so
>> much faster than a fire will. I'm wondering did the smoke just work
>> its way up through the stair wells, or did it spread through the
>> ventilation system? In lower sized apartment buildings like mine the
>> ventilation system is individual for each apartment, but in a high
>> rise it's going to be one massive system (or perhaps a couple ) that
>> will feed the entire building providing which could work against them
>> in the case of smoke spreading through the building.
>>
>> Also what sort of ventilation did they have available in the building.
>> In modern high rises every residence in NYC needs to have windows that
>> can open, if only a little, so they can bring in fresh air. I don't
>> know if that is true for older buildings.
>
> A window that can only open a little won't be of any use when a room is
> filling with noxious smoke.

That's interesting, when did this happen to you?

On 1/11/2022 12:52 AM, RichA wrote:
> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 00:12:41 UTC-5, RichA wrote:
>> One major one happened before the NOVA episode aired, one a week after. The ep. singled out New York as a place with unsafe buildings.
>
> Just like to add, New York politicians are still so under the thumbs of Shylock property owners and slumlords,

Prove it. Stop talking shit.