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Edward Luce: It's 'Time to Start Thinking' America
Apr 19, 2012 PBS NewsHour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL8G2ihJZSk

"Unless America can address government's role in a more pragmatic light," British author Edward Luce writes, "it may doom itself to continued descent. Margaret Warner and Luce discuss his latest book "Time to Start Thinking: America in the Age of Descent," a sobering look at the U.S.'s role in the competitiveness debate.

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“The window on America’s hegemony is closing. We are at a point right now where we still have choices. By 2021, we will no longer have choices.

The US is way too dependent on its military & and should sharply reduce its “global footprint” by winding up all wars..."

"...notably in Afghanistan, and by closing peacetime military bases in Germany, South Korea, the UK, and elsewhere…All this is a means to an end, which is to restore America’s economic vitality.

Our #1 goal should be to restore American prosperity..."

"As such, we recommend the Pentagon shrink its budget by at least 20%...most of the savings would be spent on civilian priorities such as infrastructure, education & foreign aid.

Nobody here thinks the politics in this town are going to change overnight;
"All we're saying is that we’re in trouble if they don’t.

This isn’t about ideology, it is about understanding where we are as a country.”

-Conclusions of 16 high-ranking US military officers who participated in a 2011 strategy session at the National Defense University.

Jan 19, 2022

https://twitter.com/LukeGromen/status/1483930523319820294

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Time to Start Thinking: America in the Age of Descent
By Edward Luce
https://tinyurl.com/muvp8cyj

TAGS: H/T: Luke Gromen

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On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 8:17:12 PM UTC-5, chromebook test wrote:

> Edward Luce: It's 'Time to Start Thinking' America

> “The window on America’s hegemony is closing. We are at a point right now where we still have choices. By 2021, we will no longer have choices.
>
> The US is way too dependent on its military & and should sharply reduce its “global footprint” by winding up all wars..."
>
> "...notably in Afghanistan, and by closing peacetime military bases in Germany, South Korea, the UK, and elsewhere…All this is a means to an end, which is to restore America’s economic vitality.
>
> Our #1 goal should be to restore American prosperity..."
>
> "As such, we recommend the Pentagon shrink its budget by at least 20%...most of the savings would be spent on civilian priorities such as infrastructure, education & foreign aid.
>
> Nobody here thinks the politics in this town are going to change overnight;
> "All we're saying is that we’re in trouble if they don’t.
>
> This isn’t about ideology, it is about understanding where we are as a country.”
>
> -Conclusions of 16 high-ranking US military officers who participated in a 2011 strategy session at the National Defense University.

What would you do to prevent Chinese world dominance?

How far would you go to maintain US hegemony?

Trump 2020 - Something Deep & Dark
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TAGS: last desperate attempt to restore the Empire and make America great again, covid-19 delayed the collapse of the empire. what would you do?

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On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 8:46:28 PM UTC-5, chromebook test wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 8:17:12 PM UTC-5, chromebook test wrote:
>
>
> > Edward Luce: It's 'Time to Start Thinking' America
> > “The window on America’s hegemony is closing. We are at a point right now where we still have choices. By 2021, we will no longer have choices.
> >
> > The US is way too dependent on its military & and should sharply reduce its “global footprint” by winding up all wars..."
> >
> > "...notably in Afghanistan, and by closing peacetime military bases in Germany, South Korea, the UK, and elsewhere…All this is a means to an end, which is to restore America’s economic vitality.
> >
> > Our #1 goal should be to restore American prosperity..."
> >
> > "As such, we recommend the Pentagon shrink its budget by at least 20%....most of the savings would be spent on civilian priorities such as infrastructure, education & foreign aid.
> >
> > Nobody here thinks the politics in this town are going to change overnight;
> > "All we're saying is that we’re in trouble if they don’t.
> >
> > This isn’t about ideology, it is about understanding where we are as a country.”
> >
> > -Conclusions of 16 high-ranking US military officers who participated in a 2011 strategy session at the National Defense University.

Time to Start Thinking by Edward Luce A Discussion with Dr Zbigniew K Brzezinski
Aug 1, 2014 Center for Strategic & International Studies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOJE0HH7FwE

Edward Luce is the Washington columnist and commentator for the Financial Times. He writes a weekly column, FT's leaders/editorials on American politics and the economy and other articles

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On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 9:21:11 PM UTC-5, chromebook test wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 8:46:28 PM UTC-5, chromebook test wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 19, 2022 at 8:17:12 PM UTC-5, chromebook test wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Edward Luce: It's 'Time to Start Thinking' America

> Time to Start Thinking by Edward Luce A Discussion with Dr Zbigniew K Brzezinski
> Aug 1, 2014 Center for Strategic & International Studies
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOJE0HH7FwE

Rough Transcript starting around 53:00 minutes in:

QUESTION:

All the discussions seem to imply that the countries in bad need of some kind of shock, I mean you're implying that's Iran could play that role but it seems that it's much more of a domestic lead and economic shock that the country needs to focus its mind on what is necessary.

Are we probably talking about something similar to what is just happening in Europe, Could that focus the mind of the people? Suddenly Treasury is coming under pressure because markets start losing their confidence that the country can get a grip on its problems.

Edward Luce:

I mean I hear that a lot and I understand why people say that is that you know Lehman Brothers wasn't enough it didn't shift the thinking sufficiently..

But I'd be careful what you wish for I mean you know shocks can produce diametrically wrong outcomes.

I mean if you think of like the McCarthy Red Scare if you think of invasion of Iraq, shocks don't necessarily need to good actions. They do sometimes I mean the 30s is of course a primary example of bold persistent experimentation.

Experimentation incidentally which included at its core what will happen to human beings. What are they going to do? How are we going to employ them?

I feel we can conduct debates now it's slightly higher altitudes and but that's a irrelevant to your question.

Some kind of a jolt to the way people think about this is going to be necessary because this is a long process we're in.

It is something we gradually, We're way more acclimatized to them than we think we are.

Yes sleepwaking is another word I use and of course that would implied somebody you know giving you a prod or electric shock.

I would I would hate to wish for a shock you know hurricane Katrina times five or whatever it might be that people in the environmental movement wish for to shock America and others back to available warming sensibility.

I would hate to wish for that equivalent in the broader geopolitical competitiveness space I'm talking about because I dread to think what it might be and whether it was induce the right rethinking. I think people have got to do it themselves.

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What would you do to prevent Chinese world dominance?
How far would you go to maintain US hegemony?

Trump 2020 - Something Deep & Dark
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