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Subject: Re: Can someone post an article on Sarasangi Ragam
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 by: s srinath - Tue, 23 Aug 2022 12:41 UTC

On Tuesday, September 17, 1996 at 12:30:00 PM UTC+5:30, K.R. Subramanyam wrote:
> While one reason for the apparent unpopularity of Sarasangi is that there
> aren't too many kritis. Anothe reason is probably because it is a classic
> case of a "mongerel" melakarta....it is just too close and appears to be
> a hodge-podge of many other popular melas. It is interesting to see what
> ragas emerge when we change just a single note in Sarasangi:
> Note Changed Ensuing Raga
> R Mayamalavyagowla
> G Kiravani
> M Latangi
> D Sankarabharnam
> N Charukesi
> Because of its close affinity to so many old and popular ragas it is very
> difficult for a musician to give it a unique identity. Try humming Sarasangi
> and you'll find yourself tresspassing the territory of Sankarabharnam, Latangi
> and Charukesi at the very least. Hence Sarsangi has not got the status of a
> "gana" raga although it does seem to have a fairly pleasing combination of
> notes.
> For this raga to gain stature musicians will have evolve a distinct and
> aesthetic pattern of gamakas and prayogas that seem to add character to it..
> I am not saying it can't happen....ragas such as Dharmavati have been developed
> fairly recently.
> At the expense of sounding like a broken record I'll repeat: a raga is NOT
> a scale or a collection of notes. If it were then there is no reason why the
> scale cannot be permutated (I'll not use a term like 'explored' since playing
> around with notes in a scale is NOT raga exploration)..a raga needs a separate
> identity that evolves over time through introduction of unique gamakas and
> prayogas. In the case of Sarasangi unfortunately (or fortunately!) its
> neighbouring ragas developed powerful identities and thus made it difficult
> for it to develop its personality.
> Two other ragas that suffer from the same syndrome: Natta Bhairavi (too close
> to Thodi, Bhairavi, Karaharapriya and Kiravani) and Harikambothi (too close
> to Sankarabharnam, Kambothi, Nattakuranji, etc). Harikambothi is a classic
> case of a sacrificing "mother"--like Kunti she fades in the glory of her
> progeny...i.e., the janyas of Harikambothi overshadow the janaka raga.
> KRS

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Subject: Re: Can someone post an article on Sarasangi Ragam
From: luzchur...@gmail.com (Lakshman Ragde)
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 by: Lakshman Ragde - Sat, 24 Sep 2022 13:49 UTC

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 8:41:33 AM UTC-4, s srinath wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 17, 1996 at 12:30:00 PM UTC+5:30, K.R. Subramanyam wrote:
> > While one reason for the apparent unpopularity of Sarasangi is that there
> > aren't too many kritis. Anothe reason is probably because it is a classic
> > case of a "mongerel" melakarta....it is just too close and appears to be
> > a hodge-podge of many other popular melas. It is interesting to see what
> > ragas emerge when we change just a single note in Sarasangi:
> > Note Changed Ensuing Raga
> > R Mayamalavyagowla
> > G Kiravani
> > M Latangi
> > D Sankarabharnam
> > N Charukesi
> > Because of its close affinity to so many old and popular ragas it is very
> > difficult for a musician to give it a unique identity. Try humming Sarasangi
> > and you'll find yourself tresspassing the territory of Sankarabharnam, Latangi
> > and Charukesi at the very least. Hence Sarsangi has not got the status of a
> > "gana" raga although it does seem to have a fairly pleasing combination of
> > notes.
> > For this raga to gain stature musicians will have evolve a distinct and
> > aesthetic pattern of gamakas and prayogas that seem to add character to it..
> > I am not saying it can't happen....ragas such as Dharmavati have been developed
> > fairly recently.
> > At the expense of sounding like a broken record I'll repeat: a raga is NOT
> > a scale or a collection of notes. If it were then there is no reason why the
> > scale cannot be permutated (I'll not use a term like 'explored' since playing
> > around with notes in a scale is NOT raga exploration)..a raga needs a separate
> > identity that evolves over time through introduction of unique gamakas and
> > prayogas. In the case of Sarasangi unfortunately (or fortunately!) its
> > neighbouring ragas developed powerful identities and thus made it difficult
> > for it to develop its personality.
> > Two other ragas that suffer from the same syndrome: Natta Bhairavi (too close
> > to Thodi, Bhairavi, Karaharapriya and Kiravani) and Harikambothi (too close
> > to Sankarabharnam, Kambothi, Nattakuranji, etc). Harikambothi is a classic
> > case of a sacrificing "mother"--like Kunti she fades in the glory of her
> > progeny...i.e., the janyas of Harikambothi overshadow the janaka raga.
> > KRS
Here is a comprehensive list of songs in sarasangi:

Adi purushan anaiyale-Chapu-R.Shrinivasan (Nadopasana)
Adiya pada arul purivai aravin shiram adil tiruvadi-Adi-Ambujam Krishna
Arupadai vittinil-Adi-Chittur S.Subramanian
Ashtaksharamula amariyunna-Adi-Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Bhairavi bhargavi-Chapu-R.K.Suryanarayana
Bhakti margame nityamu manasa-Adi-Kunrakkudi Krishna Iyer
Dhyanam seyya-K/Chapu-Vedanayakam Pillai
Dina bandhu nive-Rupaka-Madurai G.S.Mani
Enraikkum kripai varumo-Chapu-K.R.Narayanan
Ettanai kavi padi-Adi-?
Ettanai kavi padinum-Rupaka-Vedanayakam Pillai
Ettum adiyavar irezhu ulaganaiyum-?-Abhirami Bhattar
Gajamukha ganapatiye va-Rupaka-Rukmini Ramani
Gangaikku nigarana-Adi-Rukmini Ramani
Garala purisha paramesha krpaya pahi shambho-C/Rupaka-Vina Padmanabhiah
Hanuma anuma o manasa hanuma namame-Adi-Balamuralikrishna
Ilakku shirakka ilakkanam amainde-Ruipaka-Abhayambika
Inda shadalam vanda varedenrarigilen-Rupaka-Gopalakrishna Bharati
Itarameruga gati idiye sharanyamu satata-Adi-Annamacharya
Jai jai rasm jai-Adi-Ganapati Sachidananda
Jaya jagadishvari rakshamam-Adi-R.K.Suryanarayana
Jaya jaya padmanabha murare jaya jagadisha-Adi-Svati Tirunal
Kalayami tava padukam (sada) shri kamakshi -K/Chapu-Kadalur Subramaniam
Kamakrodhadi chintala-Adi-Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Kamala nayana-Adi-Tiruvettiyur Tyagayya
Kanye khila bharata-Adi-R.Shrinivasan (Nadopasana)
Karuna tonu kapaduma kamita phalada rama-Rupaka-R.Venugopal
Malaiyade maname malaiyade-Rupaka-Kotishvara Iyer
Manam kanindu arula-Chapu-Padma Veeraraghavan
Manasuloni doruka-?-?
Manavi chekonavayya ma janakiramana-Rupaka-Patnam Subramania Iyer
Marakatanga-Adi-Vinai Krishnamacharya
Mariyadaiye peridam-Rupaka-Shivagangai Sundaramurti Bhagavatar
Menu juchi mosa bokave manasa lonijada lilagu-Adi-Tyagaraja
Muruga vallal pol karunai kolvor undo-Rupaka-Kovai Subri
Nambi vanden unnai nalam pera-Adi-K.Hariharan
Nenje kannanai-Adi-Chittur S.Subramanian
Ni padamu nera nammiti niraja nayana-Rupaka-R.Venugopal
Ni padamule nammitinayya nirajaksha rama-C/Triputa-Mysore Vasudevachar
Nike dayaradu-?-Ponniah
Nikela dayaradu ninu bhajinchina napai-Jhampa-Ramasami Shivan
Niruttam iduntiru chitrambalavarai nittam-Adi-Muttu Tandavar
Niye gati enru nambinom (tv)-Adi-Akkarai Sornalata
Pan padum pungkuyile-Adi-Andavan Piccai
Pann padum pungkuyile-Adi-Kamakshi Kuppuswami
Parameshvara paripahimam-?-Bangalore S.Mukund
Paripaliso guru-Adi-R.K.Padmanabha
Paripaliso guru vadiraja-Adi-R.K.Padmanabha
Parirakshaku levvura-Adi-T.Singaracharyulu
Partu enna tan seivadam-Adi-Muttusvami Kavi
Pittane bhaktaridam vaitta-T/Triputa-Nerur Shrinivasachar
Purushottama yuvati-T/Eka-K.N.Srinivasan
Purushottamane sharanam-Adi-Chitravina N.Ravikiran
Putana jivitahara-Rupaka-Ennapadam Venkataramana Bhagavatar
Rara sarigama-Adi-Ganapati Sachidananda
Rasa bharitamu-Adi-Dokka Sriramamurti
Rasika mahottama krishna shri rasa mahotsava-Chapu-Uttukadu Venkatasubbier
Sadashiva hrdaya nivasini-Adi-K.Ramaraj
Sadashivam upasmahe satatam-C/Triputa-Jayachamaraja Odeyar
Sadhu sajjana poshana (lng)-Triputa-Govindacharya
Sankatam tirtu andarul pankaja vadane un charana-T/Adi-D.Pattammal
Saptashvarudham-?-Ganapati Sachidananda
Sarasa dala netri amba sarasadala netri mam-Adi-Ashok R.Madhav
Sarasangi (tv)-Adi-?
Sarasangi kalavani-Rupaka-C.R.Balavishvanathan
Sarasangi marulu minchi sarasaku (tv)-Adi-Vinai Krishnamacharya
Sarasangi sangita (tv) Adi-Raji Raman
Sarasangi savitri (tv)-Adi-Madokaram Prashanth Iyengar
Sarasangiye-Chapu-Bangalore S.Mukund
Sarasavadalu (p)-Adi-Bangalore S.Mukund
Sarasiruha nayana-Adi-N.S.Ramachandran
Sarvadhishtanamaina-Adi-Sriramachandra Murti Sistla
Saurasenesham vallisham subramanyam bhajeham-Adi-Muttusvami Dikshitar
Shankaran panginil tangidum pangiye-Adi-K.S.Krishnamurti
Sharadambe samraksha-Rupaka-Bangalore S.Mukund
Sharade varade sarasangi vinute-Rupaka-C.Rangiah
Shoka roga bhayamula Adi-K.M.Soundaryavalli
Shri padmanabha dinadayapara un padam-Jhampa-Lakshmi Krishna
Shri ranganayakam cintayAmi-Adi-K.N.Ramseshan
Soma sundara surya lochana-Adi-Muttiah Bhagavatar
Tai shollum varttaiyai tattadu-Adi-Shuddhananda Bharati
Teduvor tedum shelvame shivame (a)-Adi-Ramalingasvami
Tillana (udara dhim)-Chapu-Nagamani Srinath
Tirupati malaiyurai venkata va tiruvadi-Adi-Dandapani Deshikar
Tiruttam idum-Adi-Muttu Tandavar
Tondu sheidale vAzhvinal kadan-Adi-T.Lakshmana Pillai
Tripura bhairavigudhanna (lkg)-Eka-Venkatamakhi
Udaittanai vanja piraviyai-C/Eka-Abhirami Bhattar
Udara dhim (t)-Chapu-Nagamani Srinath
Unadu tiruvadi nambi vanden enakkoru-Adi-Gopalakrishna Bharati
Unai anri tunai kanen shri ramachandra-K/Jhampa-Periyasamy Tooran
Vagdevi vani-?-Suvarna Nalapat
Vandeham govinda pada kamalam-Chapu-Balamuralikrishna
Varalakshmi taye varavendum (tv)-Adi-Rukmini Sivakumar
Varuvarai vazhvikkum-Adi-Rukmini Ramani
Veda mula veda pada-Rupaka-Chitravina N.Ravikiran
Vel endi nila mayil eri-Jhampa-Ambujam Krishna
Vel endi va vadivelava-S/Chapu-Brazil Subramaniam

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