On 4/13/2022 6:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 13, 2022 at 2:59:15 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/13/2022 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <p4G5K.352548$Gojc.158389@fx99.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/13/2022 3:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <S1F5K.71203$e%.47118@fx36.iad>,
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 1:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <UjC5K.359908$f2a5.256577@fx48.iad>,
>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 10:53 AM, RichA wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 10:49:58 UTC-4, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 6:00 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2022 4:45 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2022 5:20 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2022 2:15 PM, A Friend wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <t34bp6$9vf$4...@dont-email.me>, Ubiquitous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rande...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure you are all very relieved that BIDEN is on the JOB!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cue the hoplophobe opportunists in 3... 2..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're not scared of a gun-wielding crazy man on the subway,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're nuts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Au contraire, I believe the right wing opinion now is mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shootings are one of the best ways for citizens to demonstrate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their Second Amendment rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The operational question seems to be whether one would rather die
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the spray of bullets emanating from this maniac, or from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> crossfire when every red-blooded subway passenger on the platform
>>>>>>>>>>>> fills him with lead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Right wing assholes seem to be unclear about what form of miracle
>>>>>>>>>>> should have been done to combat this. I think this is their way to
>>>>>>>>>>> say the Second Amendment should be repealed and a zero tolerance
>>>>>>>>>>> policy on guns should be created unless you've passed several
>>>>>>>>>>> background checks. 'Combat' this? Hell, for Right-wing politicians,
>>>>>>>>>>> this is mother's milk.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What other parts of the Constitution do you and Chairman Trotsky want
>>>>>>>>> torn up? Be specific.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And, by "torn up", you mean "brought into the 21st century"...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For moviePig (and, one assumes, many leftists), "bringing the
>>>>>>> Constitution into the 21st century" is apparently a euphemism for "full
>>>>>>> repeal of one or more of the Bill of Rights".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Presumably you mean "bringing *parts* of the Constitution into the
>>>>>> present"
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, and those parts are apparently one or more of the Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>> Okay. I don't get your point...
>>>
>>> Just noting for the record moviePig's support for repealing the Bill of
>>> Rights.
>>
>> Is the Bill of Rights a bigger deal than the Constitution?
>
> With regard to individual liberty and freedom, you betcha.

....which means we should get it right, not Right. Right?

On 4/14/2022 1:46 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 14, 2022 at 7:11:05 AM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/13/2022 6:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On Apr 13, 2022 at 2:59:15 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/13/2022 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <p4G5K.352548$Gojc.158389@fx99.iad>,
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 3:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <S1F5K.71203$e%.47118@fx36.iad>,
>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 1:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <UjC5K.359908$f2a5.256577@fx48.iad>,
>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 10:53 AM, RichA wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 10:49:58 UTC-4, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 6:00 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2022 4:45 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2022 5:20 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2022 2:15 PM, A Friend wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <t34bp6$9vf$4...@dont-email.me>, Ubiquitous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rande...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure you are all very relieved that BIDEN is on the JOB!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cue the hoplophobe opportunists in 3... 2..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're not scared of a gun-wielding crazy man on the subway,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're nuts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Au contraire, I believe the right wing opinion now is mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shootings are one of the best ways for citizens to demonstrate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their Second Amendment rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The operational question seems to be whether one would rather die
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the spray of bullets emanating from this maniac, or from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crossfire when every red-blooded subway passenger on the platform
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fills him with lead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right wing assholes seem to be unclear about what form of miracle
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should have been done to combat this. I think this is their way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say the Second Amendment should be repealed and a zero tolerance
>>>>>>>>>>>>> policy on guns should be created unless you've passed several
>>>>>>>>>>>>> background checks. 'Combat' this? Hell, for Right-wing politicians,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is mother's milk.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What other parts of the Constitution do you and Chairman Trotsky want
>>>>>>>>>>> torn up? Be specific.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And, by "torn up", you mean "brought into the 21st century"...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For moviePig (and, one assumes, many leftists), "bringing the
>>>>>>>>> Constitution into the 21st century" is apparently a euphemism for "full
>>>>>>>>> repeal of one or more of the Bill of Rights".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Presumably you mean "bringing *parts* of the Constitution into the
>>>>>>>> present"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, and those parts are apparently one or more of the Bill of Rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay. I don't get your point...
>>>>>
>>>>> Just noting for the record moviePig's support for repealing the Bill of
>>>>> Rights.
>>>>
>>>> Is the Bill of Rights a bigger deal than the Constitution?
>>>
>>> With regard to individual liberty and freedom, you betcha.
>>
>> ...which means we should get it right, not Right. Right?
>
> LOL! So the current Bill of Rights is a right-wing conspiracy now, is it?
>
> Justice Warren would be surprised to know that.

As I understand it, the 2nd Amendment has given rise to (at least) two
very different classes of interpretation which could be easily
identified as Right and Left. How do you understand it?

On 4/14/2022 10:23 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 14, 2022 at 3:12:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/14/2022 1:46 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On Apr 14, 2022 at 7:11:05 AM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/13/2022 6:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 13, 2022 at 2:59:15 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <p4G5K.352548$Gojc.158389@fx99.iad>,
>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 3:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <S1F5K.71203$e%.47118@fx36.iad>,
>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 1:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <UjC5K.359908$f2a5.256577@fx48.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 10:53 AM, RichA wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 10:49:58 UTC-4, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 6:00 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2022 4:45 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2022 5:20 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2022 2:15 PM, A Friend wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <t34bp6$9vf$4...@dont-email.me>, Ubiquitous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rande...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure you are all very relieved that BIDEN is on the JOB!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cue the hoplophobe opportunists in 3... 2..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're not scared of a gun-wielding crazy man on the subway,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're nuts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Au contraire, I believe the right wing opinion now is mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shootings are one of the best ways for citizens to demonstrate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their Second Amendment rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The operational question seems to be whether one would rather die
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the spray of bullets emanating from this maniac, or from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crossfire when every red-blooded subway passenger on the platform
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fills him with lead.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right wing assholes seem to be unclear about what form of miracle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should have been done to combat this. I think this is their way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say the Second Amendment should be repealed and a zero tolerance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policy on guns should be created unless you've passed several
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> background checks. 'Combat' this? Hell, for Right-wing politicians,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is mother's milk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What other parts of the Constitution do you and Chairman Trotsky want
>>>>>>>>>>>>> torn up? Be specific.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And, by "torn up", you mean "brought into the 21st century"...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For moviePig (and, one assumes, many leftists), "bringing the
>>>>>>>>>>> Constitution into the 21st century" is apparently a euphemism for "full
>>>>>>>>>>> repeal of one or more of the Bill of Rights".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Presumably you mean "bringing *parts* of the Constitution into the
>>>>>>>>>> present"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, and those parts are apparently one or more of the Bill of Rights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Okay. I don't get your point...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just noting for the record moviePig's support for repealing the Bill of
>>>>>>> Rights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the Bill of Rights a bigger deal than the Constitution?
>>>>>
>>>>> With regard to individual liberty and freedom, you betcha.
>>>>
>>>> ...which means we should get it right, not Right. Right?
>>>
>>> LOL! So the current Bill of Rights is a right-wing conspiracy now, is it?
>>>
>>> Justice Warren would be surprised to know that.
>>
>> As I understand it, the 2nd Amendment has given rise to (at least) two
>> very different classes of interpretation which could be easily
>> identified as Right and Left. How do you understand it?
>
> I understand that you claimed the Bill of Rights needs to be "brought into the
> 21st century" right in support of Hutt saying the 2nd Amendment should be
> repealed. Which means you're beyond discussing 'interpretations' at this
> point. You're going for full abolition.

I understand you're only comfortable bravely denouncing "repealing the
Bill of Rights". What's next, a firm defense of Mom and apple pie?

On 4/15/2022 12:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <qJf6K.743499$oF2.496350@fx10.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/14/2022 10:23 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On Apr 14, 2022 at 3:12:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/14/2022 1:46 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 14, 2022 at 7:11:05 AM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 6:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2022 at 2:59:15 PM PDT, "moviePig"
>>>>>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <p4G5K.352548$Gojc.158389@fx99.iad>,
>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 3:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <S1F5K.71203$e%.47118@fx36.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 1:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <UjC5K.359908$f2a5.256577@fx48.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 10:53 AM, RichA wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 10:49:58 UTC-4, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 6:00 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2022 4:45 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2022 5:20 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2022 2:15 PM, A Friend wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <t34bp6$9vf$4...@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rande...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure you are all very relieved that BIDEN is on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JOB!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cue the hoplophobe opportunists in 3... 2..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're not scared of a gun-wielding crazy man on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subway, you're nuts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Au contraire, I believe the right wing opinion now is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mass shootings are one of the best ways for citizens to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrate their 2nd Amendment rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The operational question seems to be whether one would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather die in the spray of bullets emanating from this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maniac, or from the crossfire when every red-blooded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subway passenger on the platform fills him with lead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right wing assholes seem to be unclear about what form of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miracle should have been done to combat this. I think this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is their way to say the 2nd Amendment should be repealed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a zero tolerance policy on guns should be created
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless you've passed several background checks. 'Combat'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? Hell, for Right-wing politicians, this is mother's milk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What other parts of the Constitution do you and Chairman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trotsky want torn up? Be specific.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, by "torn up", you mean "brought into the 21st century"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For moviePig (and, one assumes, many leftists), "bringing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Constitution into the 21st century" is apparently a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> euphemism for "full repeal of one or more of the Bill of Rights".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably you mean "bringing *parts* of the Constitution
>>>>>>>>>>>> into the present"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and those parts are apparently one or more of the Bill
>>>>>>>>>>> of Rights.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Okay. I don't get your point...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just noting for the record moviePig's support for repealing the
>>>>>>>>> Bill of Rights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is the Bill of Rights a bigger deal than the Constitution?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With regard to individual liberty and freedom, you betcha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...which means we should get it right, not Right. Right?
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL! So the current Bill of Rights is a right-wing conspiracy now, is
>>>>> it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Justice Warren would be surprised to know that.
>>>>
>>>> As I understand it, the 2nd Amendment has given rise to (at least) two
>>>> very different classes of interpretation which could be easily
>>>> identified as Right and Left. How do you understand it?
>>>
>>> I understand that you claimed the Bill of Rights needs to be "brought into
>>> the 21st century" in support of Hutt saying the 2nd Amendment should be
>>> repealed. Which means you're beyond discussing 'interpretations' at this
>>> point. You're going for full abolition.
>>
>> I understand you're only comfortable bravely denouncing "repealing the
>> Bill of Rights".
>
> Sure, in response to someone who's advocating doing just that.

And, since you also get to define what everybody is "actually saying",
finding those 'someones' should never present much of a challenge.

On 4/15/2022 2:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <BIi6K.78878$Kdf.62972@fx96.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/15/2022 12:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <qJf6K.743499$oF2.496350@fx10.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/14/2022 10:23 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 14, 2022 at 3:12:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/14/2022 1:46 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Apr 14, 2022 at 7:11:05 AM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 6:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2022 at 2:59:15 PM PDT, "moviePig"
>>>>>>>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <p4G5K.352548$Gojc.158389@fx99.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 3:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <S1F5K.71203$e%.47118@fx36.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 1:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <UjC5K.359908$f2a5.256577@fx48.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 10:53 AM, RichA wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 10:49:58 UTC-4, moviePig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 6:00 AM, trotsky wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right wing assholes seem to be unclear about what form of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miracle should have been done to combat this. I think this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is their way to say the 2nd Amendment should be repealed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a zero tolerance policy on guns should be created
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless you've passed several background checks. 'Combat'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? Hell, for Right-wing politicians, this is mother's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What other parts of the Constitution do you and Chairman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trotsky want torn up? Be specific.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, by "torn up", you mean "brought into the 21st century"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For moviePig (and, one assumes, many leftists), "bringing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Constitution into the 21st century" is apparently a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> euphemism for "full repeal of one or more of the Bill of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rights".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably you mean "bringing *parts* of the Constitution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the present"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and those parts are apparently one or more of the Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. I don't get your point...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just noting for the record moviePig's support for repealing the
>>>>>>>>>>> Bill of Rights.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is the Bill of Rights a bigger deal than the Constitution?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With regard to individual liberty and freedom, you betcha.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...which means we should get it right, not Right. Right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL! So the current Bill of Rights is a right-wing conspiracy now, is
>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Justice Warren would be surprised to know that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I understand it, the 2nd Amendment has given rise to (at least) two
>>>>>> very different classes of interpretation which could be easily
>>>>>> identified as Right and Left. How do you understand it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand that you claimed the Bill of Rights needs to be "brought
>>>>> into the 21st century" in support of Hutt saying the 2nd Amendment
>>>>> should be repealed. Which means you're beyond discussing
>>>>> 'interpretations' at this point. You're going for full abolition.
>>>>
>>>> I understand you're only comfortable bravely denouncing "repealing the
>>>> Bill of Rights".
>>>
>>> Sure, in response to someone who's advocating doing just that.
>>
>> And, since you also get to define what everybody is "actually saying",
>> finding those 'someones' should never present much of a challenge.
>
> Dude, Hutt said the 2nd Amendment should be repealed and you directly
> backed that up with "the Constitution should be brought into the 21st
> century".
>
> If endorsing Hutt's lunacy isn't what you meant, perhaps try to be less
> cute with your wordplay and clever turns of phrase and more direct and
> clear about your meanings.

Sorry, that doesn't fly.

--------
YOU: For moviePig (and, one assumes, many leftists), "bringing the
Constitution into the 21st century" is apparently a euphemism for "full
repeal of one or more of the Bill of Rights".
--------

There, you make a clear, accusatory (and bullshit) "interpretation" of
what I said. And it's your habit to do so ...presumably hoping to put
someone on their back foot. Even Adam would normally be all over your
ass about that sort of dodge, if he didn't have a prior commitment...

On 4/15/2022 3:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <V1j6K.335163$Lbb6.162796@fx45.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/15/2022 2:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <BIi6K.78878$Kdf.62972@fx96.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/15/2022 12:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <qJf6K.743499$oF2.496350@fx10.iad>,
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/14/2022 10:23 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Apr 14, 2022 at 3:12:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/14/2022 1:46 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 14, 2022 at 7:11:05 AM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 6:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2022 at 2:59:15 PM PDT, "moviePig"
>>>>>>>>>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <p4G5K.352548$Gojc.158389@fx99.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 3:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <S1F5K.71203$e%.47118@fx36.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 1:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <UjC5K.359908$f2a5.256577@fx48.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 10:53 AM, RichA wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 10:49:58 UTC-4, moviePig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 6:00 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right wing assholes seem to be unclear about what form of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miracle should have been done to combat this. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is their way to say the 2nd Amendment should be repealed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a zero tolerance policy on guns should be created
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless you've passed several background checks. 'Combat'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? Hell, for Right-wing politicians, this is mother's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What other parts of the Constitution do you and Chairman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trotsky want torn up? Be specific.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, by "torn up", you mean "brought into the 21st
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> century"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For moviePig (and, one assumes, many leftists), "bringing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Constitution into the 21st century" is apparently a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> euphemism for "full repeal of one or more of the Bill of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rights".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably you mean "bringing *parts* of the Constitution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the present"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and those parts are apparently one or more of the Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. I don't get your point...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just noting for the record moviePig's support for repealing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill of Rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is the Bill of Rights a bigger deal than the Constitution?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> With regard to individual liberty and freedom, you betcha.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...which means we should get it right, not Right. Right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL! So the current Bill of Rights is a right-wing conspiracy now, is
>>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Justice Warren would be surprised to know that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I understand it, the 2nd Amendment has given rise to (at least) two
>>>>>>>> very different classes of interpretation which could be easily
>>>>>>>> identified as Right and Left. How do you understand it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand that you claimed the Bill of Rights needs to be "brought
>>>>>>> into the 21st century" in support of Hutt saying the 2nd Amendment
>>>>>>> should be repealed. Which means you're beyond discussing
>>>>>>> 'interpretations' at this point. You're going for full abolition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand you're only comfortable bravely denouncing "repealing the
>>>>>> Bill of Rights".
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, in response to someone who's advocating doing just that.
>>>>
>>>> And, since you also get to define what everybody is "actually saying",
>>>> finding those 'someones' should never present much of a challenge.
>>>
>>> Dude, Hutt said the 2nd Amendment should be repealed and you directly
>>> backed that up with "the Constitution should be brought into the 21st
>>> century".
>>>
>>> If endorsing Hutt's lunacy isn't what you meant, perhaps try to be less
>>> cute with your wordplay and clever turns of phrase and more direct and
>>> clear about your meanings.
>>
>> Sorry, that doesn't fly.
>>
>> --------
>> YOU: For moviePig (and, one assumes, many leftists), "bringing the
>> Constitution into the 21st century" is apparently a euphemism for "full
>> repeal of one or more of the Bill of Rights".
>> --------
>>
>> There, you make a clear, accusatory (and bullshit) "interpretation" of
>> what I said.
>
> You can whine about interpretations all you like, but you endorsed
> Hutt's call for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
>
> Maybe if you stopped trying to be the newsgroup's poet laureate and said
> clearly what you mean, we wouldn't need to do interpretations of your
> responses at all.

On 4/15/2022 6:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <cGk6K.840412$aT3.537243@fx09.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/15/2022 3:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <V1j6K.335163$Lbb6.162796@fx45.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/15/2022 2:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <BIi6K.78878$Kdf.62972@fx96.iad>,
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/15/2022 12:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <qJf6K.743499$oF2.496350@fx10.iad>,
>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/14/2022 10:23 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 14, 2022 at 3:12:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/14/2022 1:46 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 14, 2022 at 7:11:05 AM PDT, "moviePig"
>>>>>>>>>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 6:50 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2022 at 2:59:15 PM PDT, "moviePig"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <p4G5K.352548$Gojc.158389@fx99.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 3:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <S1F5K.71203$e%.47118@fx36.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/13/2022 1:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <UjC5K.359908$f2a5.256577@fx48.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, by "torn up", you mean "brought into the 21st
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> century"...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For moviePig (and, one assumes, many leftists), "bringing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Constitution into the 21st century" is apparently a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> euphemism for "full repeal of one or more of the Bill of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rights".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presumably you mean "bringing *parts* of the Constitution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the present"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and those parts are apparently one or more of the Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay. I don't get your point...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just noting for the record moviePig's support for repealing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill of Rights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is the Bill of Rights a bigger deal than the Constitution?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> With regard to individual liberty and freedom, you betcha.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which means we should get it right, not Right. Right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LOL! So the current Bill of Rights is a right-wing conspiracy now,
>>>>>>>>>>> is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Justice Warren would be surprised to know that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it, the 2nd Amendment has given rise to (at least)
>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>> very different classes of interpretation which could be easily
>>>>>>>>>> identified as Right and Left. How do you understand it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I understand that you claimed the Bill of Rights needs to be "brought
>>>>>>>>> into the 21st century" in support of Hutt saying the 2nd Amendment
>>>>>>>>> should be repealed. Which means you're beyond discussing
>>>>>>>>> 'interpretations' at this point. You're going for full abolition.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I understand you're only comfortable bravely denouncing "repealing the
>>>>>>>> Bill of Rights".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, in response to someone who's advocating doing just that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, since you also get to define what everybody is "actually saying",
>>>>>> finding those 'someones' should never present much of a challenge.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dude, Hutt said the 2nd Amendment should be repealed and you directly
>>>>> backed that up with "the Constitution should be brought into the 21st
>>>>> century".
>>>>>
>>>>> If endorsing Hutt's lunacy isn't what you meant, perhaps try to be less
>>>>> cute with your wordplay and clever turns of phrase and more direct and
>>>>> clear about your meanings.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, that doesn't fly.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> YOU: For moviePig (and, one assumes, many leftists), "bringing the
>>>> Constitution into the 21st century" is apparently a euphemism for "full
>>>> repeal of one or more of the Bill of Rights".
>>>> --------
>>>>
>>>> There, you make a clear, accusatory (and bullshit) "interpretation" of
>>>> what I said.
>>>
>>> You can whine about interpretations all you like, but you endorsed
>>> Hutt's call for the repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
>>>
>>> Maybe if you stopped trying to be the newsgroup's poet laureate and said
>>> clearly what you mean, we wouldn't need to do interpretations of your
>>> responses at all.
>>
>> And now you're telling me what I "endorse".
>
> No, *now* I'm telling you that your insufferably pretentious posting
> 'style' makes figuring out what you endorse a tedious game that no one
> wants to play.

Sure. When all else fails, complain about the typeface...

I write to be informative and/or interesting and/or entertaining,
openly. I have no idea what "pretense" you feel afflicted by.

>> When you find someone's position so unreasonable/unconscionable, it's
>> odd you never *ASK*...
>
> Asking you what you mean never works. Either you just get another
> question in return or you get some ridiculous vague historical
> reference, the more esoteric and little known, the better.

When asked what I meant (or, usually, think), I give a direct answer
Every. Single. Time. I wonder what it says about your "insufferable"
suffering that you're unaware of that.

On 4/16/2022 12:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <t3dp1c$2n2$9@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/15/2022 5:43 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 4/15/2022 6:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <cGk6K.840412$aT3.537243@fx09.iad>,
>>>>   moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> When you find someone's position so unreasonable/unconscionable, it's
>>>>> odd you never *ASK*...
>>>>
>>>> Asking you what you mean never works. Either you just get another
>>>> question in return or you get some ridiculous vague historical
>>>> reference, the more esoteric and little known, the better.
>>>
>>> When asked what I meant (or, usually, think), I give a direct answer
>>> Every. Single. Time.
>
> Why should people have to constantly ask?

They shouldn't. And, fortunately, they don't. You've merely started
believing your own convenient memes.

> Why not strive for clarity from the start?

When faced with an alleged lack of clarity, why snatch at straw men?