On 4/21/2022 1:16 PM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <d2536h1a3ng52tvln4i97tpees2cbr9mal@4ax.com>, shawn
> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:46:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:15:56 -0400, A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <8cf3e8fb-8d92-432c-ae86-88e677f0e949n@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> chromebook test <chromiumtest56@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The question of whether enforcement is the best answer remains. Even if
>>>>>> piracy magically disappeared, many people still can1t afford a dozen
>>>>>> streaming subscriptions. Perhaps the fragmented streaming landscape and
>>>>>> subscription fatigue are the real problems?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Re subscription fatigue: I have to subscribe to cable because there's
>>>>> no alternative to it here in the boonies. A Netflix subscription is
>>>>> included in my basic cable bill. I don't want Netflix and I never make
>>>>> use of it, but I can't "include it out" because there's no package that
>>>>> allows me to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody counting me as a "Netflix subscriber" is technically correct
>>>>> but is nevertheless mistaken. I expect that Netflix couldn't care
>>>>> less, though.
>>>>
>>>> Of course not. You are just a number in a spreadsheet and so long as
>>>> they get paid they don't care if you watch or not. Though the show
>>>> makers care because apparently that's one reason Netflix says they
>>>> have for killing shows, poor viewer ship. I do find it interesting
>>>> that your cable company includes Netflix as part of your package. I
>>>> get HBO Max for 'free' as part of my Internet service but then with
>>>> the tie in between HBO and AT&T (my service provider) it makes a bit
>>>> more sense.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Netflix not having to worry about viewership although they apparently do
>>> anyway may change drastically if they actually go along with this
>>> ill-advised advertising plan.
>>
>> Agreed. Also they will have to make the numbers available for the
>> viewers of any show with advertising. Something they didn't have to do
>> until now.
>
>
> Ah, and there's the rub. They can say anything they want to about
> their viewership, as long as it doesn't involve defrauding advertisers.

What makes you think they have to tell the public anything about
numbers? They can just tell the advertisers privately, there's no
Nielsen type company involved.

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On 4/21/2022 4:33 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 4/21/2022 1:16 PM, A Friend wrote:
>> In article <d2536h1a3ng52tvln4i97tpees2cbr9mal@4ax.com>, shawn
>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:46:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:15:56 -0400, A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <8cf3e8fb-8d92-432c-ae86-88e677f0e949n@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> chromebook test <chromiumtest56@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The question of whether enforcement is the best answer remains.
>>>>>>> Even if
>>>>>>> piracy magically disappeared, many people still can1t afford a dozen
>>>>>>> streaming subscriptions. Perhaps the fragmented streaming
>>>>>>> landscape and
>>>>>>> subscription fatigue are the real problems?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Re subscription fatigue: I have to subscribe to cable because there's
>>>>>> no alternative to it here in the boonies.  A Netflix subscription is
>>>>>> included in my basic cable bill.  I don't want Netflix and I never
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> use of it, but I can't "include it out" because there's no package
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> allows me to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody counting me as a "Netflix subscriber" is technically correct
>>>>>> but is nevertheless mistaken.  I expect that Netflix couldn't care
>>>>>> less, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not. You are just a number in a spreadsheet and so long as
>>>>> they get paid they don't care if you watch or not. Though the show
>>>>> makers care because apparently that's one reason Netflix says they
>>>>> have for killing shows, poor viewer ship. I do find it interesting
>>>>> that your cable company includes Netflix as part of your package. I
>>>>> get HBO Max for 'free' as part of my Internet service but then with
>>>>> the tie in between HBO and AT&T (my service provider) it makes a bit
>>>>> more sense.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Netflix not having to worry about viewership although they
>>>> apparently do
>>>> anyway may change drastically if they actually go along with this
>>>> ill-advised advertising plan.
>>>
>>> Agreed. Also they will have to make the numbers available for the
>>> viewers of any show with advertising. Something they didn't have to do
>>> until now.
>>
>>
>> Ah, and there's the rub.  They can say anything they want to about
>> their viewership, as long as it doesn't involve defrauding advertisers.
>
> What makes you think they have to tell the public anything about
> numbers?  They can just tell the advertisers privately, there's no
> Nielsen type company involved.

Privately, right. "Information wants to be free"...

On 4/21/2022 2:23 PM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <t3sf3h$p01$4@dont-email.me>, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> On 4/21/2022 1:16 PM, A Friend wrote:
>>> In article <d2536h1a3ng52tvln4i97tpees2cbr9mal@4ax.com>, shawn
>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:46:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 08:15:56 -0400, A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <8cf3e8fb-8d92-432c-ae86-88e677f0e949n@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>> chromebook test <chromiumtest56@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The question of whether enforcement is the best answer remains. Even if
>>>>>>>> piracy magically disappeared, many people still can1t afford a dozen
>>>>>>>> streaming subscriptions. Perhaps the fragmented streaming landscape and
>>>>>>>> subscription fatigue are the real problems?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Re subscription fatigue: I have to subscribe to cable because there's
>>>>>>> no alternative to it here in the boonies. A Netflix subscription is
>>>>>>> included in my basic cable bill. I don't want Netflix and I never make
>>>>>>> use of it, but I can't "include it out" because there's no package that
>>>>>>> allows me to do so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anybody counting me as a "Netflix subscriber" is technically correct
>>>>>>> but is nevertheless mistaken. I expect that Netflix couldn't care
>>>>>>> less, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course not. You are just a number in a spreadsheet and so long as
>>>>>> they get paid they don't care if you watch or not. Though the show
>>>>>> makers care because apparently that's one reason Netflix says they
>>>>>> have for killing shows, poor viewer ship. I do find it interesting
>>>>>> that your cable company includes Netflix as part of your package. I
>>>>>> get HBO Max for 'free' as part of my Internet service but then with
>>>>>> the tie in between HBO and AT&T (my service provider) it makes a bit
>>>>>> more sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Netflix not having to worry about viewership although they apparently do
>>>>> anyway may change drastically if they actually go along with this
>>>>> ill-advised advertising plan.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. Also they will have to make the numbers available for the
>>>> viewers of any show with advertising. Something they didn't have to do
>>>> until now.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, and there's the rub. They can say anything they want to about
>>> their viewership, as long as it doesn't involve defrauding advertisers.
>>
>> What makes you think they have to tell the public anything about
>> numbers? They can just tell the advertisers privately, there's no
>> Nielsen type company involved.
>
>
> There'd be no privacy there. The numbers they claim would leak almost
> instantly.

They "leak" now and are completely meaningless.

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I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.