On 4/18/2022 6:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
> This video reveals how silent films, which are boring for most viewers,
> can be made much more exciting. The secret ingredient: live music.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9WBONw4kw0  [under 10 minutes]

That's how they were originally shown in a lot of theaters. Live piano
music.

On 2022-04-19 2:50 AM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2022-04-19 04:57:08 +0000, suzeeq said:
>> On 4/18/2022 6:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>> This video reveals how silent films, which are boring for most
>>> viewers, can be made much more exciting. The secret ingredient: live
>>> music.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9WBONw4kw0  [under 10 minutes]
>>
>> That's how they were originally shown in a lot of theaters. Live piano
>> music.
>
> Yep, piano or pipe organ since many moving picture theatres were already
> live stage play theatres. In a big city theatre it might even be a small
> orchestra.
>
> Sometimes today you can still go to a performance of modern movies with
> a live orchestra playing the music. For example, in London:
> <https://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/series/films-in-concert/>
> I've never been to one, but presumably such showings have a special copy
> of the movie without the music track.
>
Or they just turn off the audio at the playback machine, which would be
a LOT less trouble than making a special version of the disk containing
the movie....

--
Rhino

On 2022-04-19 1:36 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 19, 2022 at 5:38:56 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-04-19 2:50 AM, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-19 04:57:08 +0000, suzeeq said:
>>>> On 4/18/2022 6:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>> This video reveals how silent films, which are boring for most
>>>>> viewers, can be made much more exciting. The secret ingredient: live
>>>>> music.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9WBONw4kw0  [under 10 minutes]
>>>>
>>>> That's how they were originally shown in a lot of theaters. Live piano
>>>> music.
>>>
>>> Yep, piano or pipe organ since many moving picture theatres were already
>>> live stage play theatres. In a big city theatre it might even be a small
>>> orchestra.
>>>
>>> Sometimes today you can still go to a performance of modern movies with
>>> a live orchestra playing the music. For example, in London:conf
>>> <https://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/series/films-in-concert/>
>>> I've never been to one, but presumably such showings have a special copy
>>> of the movie without the music track.
>>>
>> Or they just turn off the audio at the playback machine, which would be
>> a LOT less trouble than making a special version of the disk containing
>> the movie....
>
> You can't just turn off the audio because then you'd lose the dialog and sound
> effects, too.
>
> No, they have to prepare a special print of the film with only the music
> stripped out so the audience can watch the movie while the orchestra plays the
> score. I will note that whatever they do to strip out the music also leaves
> the dialog kind of tinny and flat-sounding.
>
>
You're right of course. "Your Name" was talking about modern movies but
I was still thinking of silent films that had only a music track added
for playing in a movie theatre that *didn't* have an orchestra.

--
Rhino

On 4/19/22 10:36 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 19, 2022 at 5:38:56 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-04-19 2:50 AM, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-19 04:57:08 +0000, suzeeq said:
>>>> On 4/18/2022 6:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>> This video reveals how silent films, which are boring for most
>>>>> viewers, can be made much more exciting. The secret ingredient: live
>>>>> music.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9WBONw4kw0  [under 10 minutes]
>>>>
>>>> That's how they were originally shown in a lot of theaters. Live piano
>>>> music.
>>>
>>> Yep, piano or pipe organ since many moving picture theatres were already
>>> live stage play theatres. In a big city theatre it might even be a small
>>> orchestra.
>>>
>>> Sometimes today you can still go to a performance of modern movies with
>>> a live orchestra playing the music. For example, in London:
>>> <https://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/series/films-in-concert/>
>>> I've never been to one, but presumably such showings have a special copy
>>> of the movie without the music track.
>>>
>> Or they just turn off the audio at the playback machine, which would be
>> a LOT less trouble than making a special version of the disk containing
>> the movie....
>
> You can't just turn off the audio because then you'd lose the dialog and sound
> effects, too.
>
> No, they have to prepare a special print of the film with only the music
> stripped out so the audience can watch the movie while the orchestra plays the
> score. I will note that whatever they do to strip out the music also leaves
> the dialog kind of tinny and flat-sounding.

Silent movies don't have audio, so they don't have talking or sound effects.
So no need for a special print, turn off the sound of whatever soundtrack
that's been slapped onto the film or video and play your own music.

On 4/25/22 3:13 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2022-04-25 21:42:25 +0000, weary flake said:
>> On 4/19/22 10:36 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On Apr 19, 2022 at 5:38:56 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-04-19 2:50 AM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-04-19 04:57:08 +0000, suzeeq said:
>>>>>> On 4/18/2022 6:22 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>> This video reveals how silent films, which are boring for most
>>>>>>> viewers, can be made much more exciting. The secret ingredient: live
>>>>>>> music.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9WBONw4kw0  [under 10 minutes]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's how they were originally shown in a lot of theaters. Live piano
>>>>>> music.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, piano or pipe organ since many moving picture theatres were already
>>>>> live stage play theatres. In a big city theatre it might even be a small
>>>>> orchestra.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes today you can still go to a performance of modern movies with
>>>>> a live orchestra playing the music. For example, in London:
>>>>> <https://www.royalalberthall.com/tickets/series/films-in-concert/>
>>>>> I've never been to one, but presumably such showings have a special copy
>>>>> of the movie without the music track.
>>>>
>>>> Or they just turn off the audio at the playback machine, which would be
>>>> a LOT less trouble than making a special version of the disk containing
>>>> the movie....
>>>
>>> You can't just turn off the audio because then you'd lose the dialog and sound effects, too.
>>>
>>> No, they have to prepare a special print of the film with only the music
>>> stripped out so the audience can watch the movie while the orchestra plays the score. I will note that whatever they do to strip out the music also leaves the dialog kind of tinny and flat-sounding.
>>
>> Silent movies don't have audio, so they don't have talking or sound effects.
>> So no need for a special print, turn off the sound of whatever soundtrack
>> that's been slapped onto the film or video and play your own music.
>
> The old silent movies don't, but the conversation has moved on (five paragrpahs above this one) to *modern* movies being played with a live orchestra.

Oh, I missed that.
With modern movies it depends entirely on the studio: if the studios were to
issue movies with the music, sound effects and dialog separately available it
could work. Using post-processing to remove music would likely sound terrible,
so it would depend on the what the studio allows.