On 4/30/2022 7:04 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 09:58:34 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Please retain attribution lines, H.G.
>
>>>>>> Universal jurisdiction is a legal principle that allows states or
>>>>>> international organizations to claim criminal jurisdiction over an accused
>>>>>> person regardless of where the alleged crime was committed, and regardless
>>>>>> of the accused's nationality, country of residence, or any other relation
>>>>>> to the prosecuting entity. Crimes prosecuted under universal jurisdiction
>>>>>> are considered crimes against all, too serious to tolerate jurisdictional
>>>>>> arbitrage.
>
>>>> Yes, I know that countries like to pretend they have jurisdiction over
>>>> everyone, everywhere, for everything, but it simply isn't true.
>
>>> What about the sovereign nation of Hawaii?
>
>> Is this the one that hasn't existed since 1898?
>
> No. It was the one that came into existence on September 20, 2010, on
> CBS.
>
>> One thing a lot of Americans forget is that on December 7th, 1941
>> plenty of American territory (but no territory of any US state) was
>> attacked. At that time Manila was the 4th or 5th largest city owned by
>> the United States. Much of the Pacific War was in fact fought on
>> territories of the United States and the US had one of the largest
>> colonial empires in the world.
>
> Hold it. You know better than that.
>
> The Philippines were never a colony OF THE UNITED STATES. We were
> never a colonial empire. Grabbing Spanish colonies never did make the
> United States a colonial power.
>
> When Taft was the military governor, he helped the Philippines completely
> turn around for the better, which is how they started a long period of warm
> relations with the United States and why they all have Spanish surnames
> but they all speak English and not Spanish.

And Tagalog.

> At no point were they governed
> as a colony. I think commonwealth status was created in United States
> law immediately after the Spanish-American War but I'm not looking it up.
>
> The only territories held by the United States that in any way resemble
> colonization are scientific and military missions to Antartica and
> Pacific islands that don't have year-round populations, but these are
> not places that we are trying to settle.
>
> I won't count Mandatory Territories after the Treaty of Versailles as
> colonies either, which were non-Turkish portions of the Ottoman Empire
> grabbed by France and UK, and former German colonies that went to a
> variety of powers. Those territories were never incorporated into the
> European power that held them, and France and the UK managed to mess
> things up in all new ways than if they had been colonies. In the former
> Ottoman Empire outside of Turkey, well, WWI has never ended for them.
>
>> Guam fell very quickly and both the future states of Hawaii and Alaska
>> were attacked.
>
>> I'm NOT saying WW2 in the Pacific was fought on US territory
>> exclusively as that was certainly not even close to being true but a
>> surprising among of those Pacific islands WERE.
>
> A hell of a lot of the war in the Pacific was fought on British territory.
>