On 6/9/2022 7:59 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> moviePig
>>
>> I don't know what "progressives are saying these days", but I'm sure
>> they routinely affront both God and physics. Meanwhile, though, a "good
>> standing" might include a record of behavior by sponsorees -- such that,
>> e.g., you might insist that your 18-year-old nephew, in addition to not
>> being a loose cannon, is well-trained in gun-handling/-safety.
>
> What other human rights should be dependent on the word of others?
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/tCYSX7Kq/China-s-Social-Credit-System.jpg
> https://ibb.co/n3bFNv8

The right to drive? The right to competent medical care? The right to
sell food? The right to teach? The right to paint your house fuchsia?

On 6/9/2022 11:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Jun 9, 2022 at 7:29:27 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 6/9/2022 7:59 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>> moviePig
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what "progressives are saying these days", but I'm sure
>>>> they routinely affront both God and physics. Meanwhile, though, a "good
>>>> standing" might include a record of behavior by sponsorees -- such that,
>>>> e.g., you might insist that your 18-year-old nephew, in addition to not
>>>> being a loose cannon, is well-trained in gun-handling/-safety.
>>>
>>> What other human rights should be dependent on the word of others?
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/tCYSX7Kq/China-s-Social-Credit-System.jpg
>>> https://ibb.co/n3bFNv8
>>
>> The right to drive?
>
> Driving isn't a constitutionally guaranteed right.
>
>> The right to competent medical care?
>
> Competent medical care isn't a constitutionally guaranteed right.
>
>> The right to sell food?
>
> Food sales aren't isn't a constitutionally guaranteed right.
>
>> The right to teach?
>
> Being a teacher isn't a constitutionally guaranteed right.
>
>> The right to paint your house fuchsia?
>
> House color isn't a constitutionally guaranteed right.

All such rights -- of any stripe -- are secondary to a requirement of
living with your fellow human beings. The social contract is a matter
not of law but of fact.

On 6/10/2022 2:01 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> moviePig
>>> BTR1701
>>>
>>> House color isn't a constitutionally guaranteed right.
>>
>> All such rights -- of any stripe -- are secondary to a requirement
>> of living with your fellow human beings. The social contract is
>> a matter not of law but of fact.
>
> Without the basic fundamental human right to self-defense,
> (and thus the right to keep & bear arms) you have no rights.
>
> How are we to live with our fellow human beings, when the
> social contract consists of might makes right?

The question is what self-defense preparations your community accepts.