On 7/6/2022 10:52 AM, RichA wrote:
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62001426

It's often claimed that a benevolent dictatorship is the best govt.

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:05:33 AM UTC-4, moviePig wrote:
> On 7/6/2022 10:52 AM, RichA wrote:
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62001426
>
> It's often claimed that a benevolent dictatorship is the best govt.

You might find some muslim women who disagree - privately of course.

Irish Mike

In article <ZwhxK.450815$5fVf.22847@fx09.iad>,
moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 7/6/2022 10:52 AM, RichA wrote:
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62001426
>
> It's often claimed that a benevolent dictatorship is the best govt.

A position, one suspects, that finds you sympathetic.

On 7/6/2022 2:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ZwhxK.450815$5fVf.22847@fx09.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/6/2022 10:52 AM, RichA wrote:
>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62001426
>>
>> It's often claimed that a benevolent dictatorship is the best govt.
>
> A position, one suspects, that finds you sympathetic.

Oh, I'm even less informed about it than you are about my sympathies.

On 7/6/2022 1:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ZwhxK.450815$5fVf.22847@fx09.iad>,
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/6/2022 10:52 AM, RichA wrote:
>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62001426
>>
>> It's often claimed that a benevolent dictatorship is the best govt.
>
> A position, one suspects, that finds you sympathetic.

Much like you French kissing Trump's ass.

On 7/6/2022 6:38 PM, RichA wrote:
> On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 15:17:47 UTC-4, moviePig wrote:
>> On 7/6/2022 2:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <ZwhxK.450815$5fVf....@fx09.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:52 AM, RichA wrote:
>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62001426
>>>>
>>>> It's often claimed that a benevolent dictatorship is the best govt.
>>>
>>> A position, one suspects, that finds you sympathetic.
>> Oh, I'm even less informed about it than you are about my sympathies.
>
> Just curious, but who is it that often suggests this? I'd like to read how they'd set it up.

https://www.quora.com/Do-you-agree-that-a-benevolent-dictatorship-is-the-best-form-of-government

On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 15:17:42 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:

>On 7/6/2022 2:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <ZwhxK.450815$5fVf.22847@fx09.iad>,
>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/6/2022 10:52 AM, RichA wrote:
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62001426
>>>
>>> It's often claimed that a benevolent dictatorship is the best govt.
>>
>> A position, one suspects, that finds you sympathetic.
>
>Oh, I'm even less informed about it than you are about my sympathies.

The catch of course is who decides what is benevolent - in 1933 you
would have gotten radically different responses from NSDAP and KPD
supporters plus undoubtedly just about every other answer from those
between. And even if you hypothetically got a 100% agreement amongst
Germans that Hitler was 'benevolent' you definitely wouldn't have
gotten 100% agreement from Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, Dutch, Belgians,
Norwegians etc all of whom were invaded without declaration of war.

On 7/6/2022 5:54 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 7/6/2022 6:38 PM, RichA wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 15:17:47 UTC-4, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 7/6/2022 2:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <ZwhxK.450815$5fVf....@fx09.iad>,
>>>> moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:52 AM, RichA wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62001426
>>>>>
>>>>> It's often claimed that a benevolent dictatorship is the best govt.
>>>>
>>>> A position, one suspects, that finds you sympathetic.
>>> Oh, I'm even less informed about it than you are about my sympathies.
>>
>> Just curious, but who is it that often suggests this?  I'd like to
>> read how they'd set it up.
>
> https://www.quora.com/Do-you-agree-that-a-benevolent-dictatorship-is-the-best-form-of-government
>

Isn't benevolent dictatorship a contradiction in terms?

On 7/7/2022 6:13 AM, trotsky wrote:
> On 7/6/2022 5:54 PM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 7/6/2022 6:38 PM, RichA wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 15:17:47 UTC-4, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 7/6/2022 2:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <ZwhxK.450815$5fVf....@fx09.iad>,
>>>>> moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:52 AM, RichA wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62001426
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's often claimed that a benevolent dictatorship is the best govt.
>>>>>
>>>>> A position, one suspects, that finds you sympathetic.
>>>> Oh, I'm even less informed about it than you are about my sympathies.
>>>
>>> Just curious, but who is it that often suggests this?  I'd like to
>>> read how they'd set it up.
>>
>> https://www.quora.com/Do-you-agree-that-a-benevolent-dictatorship-is-the-best-form-of-government
>>
> Isn't benevolent dictatorship a contradiction in terms?

Intrinsically, no more than 'good boss' is, I suppose.

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 15:17:42 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>On 7/6/2022 2:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>On 7/6/2022 10:52 AM, RichA wrote:

>>>>>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62001426

>>>>It's often claimed that a benevolent dictatorship is the best govt.

>>>A position, one suspects, that finds you sympathetic.

>>Oh, I'm even less informed about it than you are about my sympathies.

>The catch of course is who decides what is benevolent - in 1933 you
>would have gotten radically different responses from NSDAP and KPD
>supporters plus undoubtedly just about every other answer from those
>between. And even if you hypothetically got a 100% agreement amongst
>Germans that Hitler was 'benevolent' you definitely wouldn't have
>gotten 100% agreement from Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, Dutch, Belgians,
>Norwegians etc all of whom were invaded without declaration of war.

Are declarations of war expected under Westminster? Overt acts of war --
like invasions -- don't require legislative action on the part of the
aggressor nor defender. It's de facto.

On 7/7/2022 3:36 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 15:17:42 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/6/2022 2:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <ZwhxK.450815$5fVf.22847@fx09.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:52 AM, RichA wrote:
>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62001426
>>>>
>>>> It's often claimed that a benevolent dictatorship is the best govt.
>>>
>>> A position, one suspects, that finds you sympathetic.
>>
>> Oh, I'm even less informed about it than you are about my sympathies.
>
> The catch of course is who decides what is benevolent - in 1933 you
> would have gotten radically different responses from NSDAP and KPD
> supporters plus undoubtedly just about every other answer from those
> between. And even if you hypothetically got a 100% agreement amongst
> Germans that Hitler was 'benevolent' you definitely wouldn't have
> gotten 100% agreement from Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, Dutch, Belgians,
> Norwegians etc all of whom were invaded without declaration of war.

Certainly, most every dictator would claim to be benevolent. But just
as certainly, there are efficiencies in how such a government operates.
(In contrast, just look at the U.S. Congress.) Maybe, like communism,
it's an attractive principle until you actually try it with people...

On 2022-07-07 3:36 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 15:17:42 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/6/2022 2:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <ZwhxK.450815$5fVf.22847@fx09.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:52 AM, RichA wrote:
>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62001426
>>>>
>>>> It's often claimed that a benevolent dictatorship is the best govt.
>>>
>>> A position, one suspects, that finds you sympathetic.
>>
>> Oh, I'm even less informed about it than you are about my sympathies.
>
> The catch of course is who decides what is benevolent - in 1933 you
> would have gotten radically different responses from NSDAP and KPD
> supporters plus undoubtedly just about every other answer from those
> between. And even if you hypothetically got a 100% agreement amongst
> Germans that Hitler was 'benevolent' you definitely wouldn't have
> gotten 100% agreement from Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, Dutch, Belgians,
> Norwegians etc all of whom were invaded without declaration of war.

For the benefit of those less well versed in history than Horny Goat,
the NSDAP is the full German acronym of the Nazi party and the KPD is
the full German acronym of the German Communist Party; those two were
the largest party in Germany prior to Hitler's becoming Chancellor of
Germany. (He only became Fuhrer in 1934 after President Hindenberg died,
at which point Hitler merged the separate constitutional roles of
President and Chancellor into a single post which he called Fuhrer
(Leader) and awarded himself.)

--
Rhino

On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 14:10:38 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>The catch of course is who decides what is benevolent - in 1933 you
>>would have gotten radically different responses from NSDAP and KPD
>>supporters plus undoubtedly just about every other answer from those
>>between. And even if you hypothetically got a 100% agreement amongst
>>Germans that Hitler was 'benevolent' you definitely wouldn't have
>>gotten 100% agreement from Czechs, Slovaks, Poles, Dutch, Belgians,
>>Norwegians etc all of whom were invaded without declaration of war.
>
>Are declarations of war expected under Westminster? Overt acts of war --
>like invasions -- don't require legislative action on the part of the
>aggressor nor defender. It's de facto.

Which is a good thing for Canada then because Canada has only twice in
her history declared war: in 1939 against Germany and 1941 against
Japan (actually a few hours in advance of the US Congress). Prior to
that (Boer War and WW1 or the Russian intervention) Canada was
automatically at war as part of the British empire and after that not
in Korea nor any of the other UN missions or Iraq in 1991.

On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 12:50:17 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>For the benefit of those less well versed in history than Horny Goat,
>the NSDAP is the full German acronym of the Nazi party and the KPD is
>the full German acronym of the German Communist Party; those two were
>the largest party in Germany prior to Hitler's becoming Chancellor of
>Germany. (He only became Fuhrer in 1934 after President Hindenberg died,
>at which point Hitler merged the separate constitutional roles of
>President and Chancellor into a single post which he called Fuhrer
>(Leader) and awarded himself.)

Thanks for the compliment on historical knowledge - but the critical
thing in Germany in 1932-33 both the Nazis and the Communists had
gained enough support that no other party could form an electoral
coalition to reach a majority without the participation of one or the
other.

Weimar in 1933 was not significantly different than the electoral
systems common in continental Europe or Israel today - and no European
politician of today would consider Hitler's path to power in 1933 at
all unusual. Now to be sure he did lots of things after coming to
power that were far outside European norms but his route to power was
entirely normal.

Hitler claimed in 1933 it was him or a Communist 'revolution' (which
they would have called it even if they gained power through the ballot
box ) and he was not wrong. The electoral numbers do bear that out.

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:

> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 15:17:42 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> wrote:

>> On 7/6/2022 2:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

>>> In article <ZwhxK.450815$5fVf.22847@fx09.iad>,
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

>>>> It's often claimed that a benevolent dictatorship is the best govt.
>>>
>>> A position, one suspects, that finds you sympathetic.
>>
>> Oh, I'm even less informed about it than you are about my sympathies.
>
> The catch of course is who decides what is benevolent - in 1933 you
> would have gotten radically different responses from NSDAP and KPD
> supporters plus undoubtedly just about every other answer from those
> between.

Even if you could achieve the impossibility of a universally acclaimed
benevolent dictator (there are some popular ruling monarchs scattered
about history, though never universally popular), there's also the
problem that you can't ensure an equally benevolent successor when the
first one dies or steps down.

-Micky

On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 04:25:04 +0000 (UTC),
MDuPree@theworld.com.snip.to.reply (Micky DuPree) wrote:

>Even if you could achieve the impossibility of a universally acclaimed
>benevolent dictator (there are some popular ruling monarchs scattered
>about history, though never universally popular), there's also the
>problem that you can't ensure an equally benevolent successor when the
>first one dies or steps down.
>
Indeed - in fact just the opposite - Marcus Aurelius begat Commodus