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On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 10:15:29 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> (in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
> > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny Goat wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut....@outlook.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as much to me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daughter*, but I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure, I guess.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Orwell's Spain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years is "misdirective", though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Brigade'?" kinda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What about *Burmese Days*?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not 100% important for me, no.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in Paris and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a preteen.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I’ve read that, but I haven’t read Road to Wagon Pier yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road to Wigan
> > > > > > > > > > > Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak) though in
> > > > > > > > > > > my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nineteen
> > > > > > > > > > > Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!)
> > > > > > > > > > Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science fiction, and what
> > > > > > > > > > he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Party (which
> > > > > > > > > > he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a British
> > > > > > > > > > socialist
> > > > > > > > > > of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM groups in Spain,
> > > > > > > > > > "opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE as
> > > > > > > > > > part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Ahem."
> > > > > > > > > > Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm not sure.
> > > > > > > > He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newspaper
> > > > > > > > Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
> > > > > > > Oh, yeah, sure.
> > > > > > "And Orwell was..."
> > > > > > A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" right now?
> > > > > "I don't think so."
> > > > > Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the common idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
> > > > > "Common idea?"
> > > > > Maybe he didn't, really.
> > > > > "That's hardly likely."
> > > > > What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-uninformed but highly definite suggestions?
> > > > "Um?
> > > > Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a topic they were perhaps better-informed about?
> > > Is it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particular purpose, and an alternate conjecture
> > > (or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
> >
> > Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in some to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequate
> > as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the historical events themselves. It seems like
> > a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
> "Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
> "Which militia?"
> "His militia was the POUM's"
>
> That's how the grammar works.
>
> Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by
> Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
> just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.

It's spelled "Greene" (isn't that just another one of those "things")?
I mean, we don't talk of "literacy" when we are aware of the hateful legacy of "literacy tests" for people like African-Americans, but...

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On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
> (in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
> > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > (in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
> >
> > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
>
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
> rote:
> > > > > > > > > In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
> d wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
> Goat wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
> look.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
> h to me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
> ter*, but I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure, I guess.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
> ell's Spain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years is "misdirective", though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
> gade'?" kinda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What about *Burmese Days*?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not 100% important for me, no.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, tho
> gh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
> Paris and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
> teen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
> yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
> to Wigan
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
> though in
> > > > > > > > > > > > my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
> teen
> > > > > > > > > > > > Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!
> > > > > > > > > > > Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
> n, and what
> > > > > > > > > > > he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
> (which
> > > > > > > > > > > he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
> British
> > > > > > > > > > > socialist
> > > > > > > > > > > of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
> ups in Spain,
> > > > > > > > > > > "opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
> as
> > > > > > > > > > > part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Ahem."
> > > > > > > > > > > Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
> ot sure.
> > > > > > > > > He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
> per
> > > > > > > > > Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
> > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, sure.
> > > > > > > "And Orwell was..."
> > > > > > > A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
> ght now?
> > > > > > "I don't think so."
> > > > > > Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
> on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
> > > > > > "Common idea?"
> > > > > > Maybe he didn't, really.
> > > > > > "That's hardly likely."
> > > > > > What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
> informed but highly definite suggestions?
> > > > > "Um?
> > > > > Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
> c they were perhaps better-informed about?
> > > > Is it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
> ar purpose, and an alternate conjecture
> > > > (or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
> > >
> > > Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
> to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequate
> > > as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
> orical events themselves. It seems like
> > > a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
> >
> > "Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
> > "Which militia?"
> > "His militia was the POUM's"
> >
> > That's how the grammar works.
> >
> > Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by
> > Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
> > just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
> Not a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
> in it.

Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.
"Oh, I'm feyly believable."
Yeah, about that...

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 by: Jeffrey Rubard - Fri, 21 Oct 2022 01:13 UTC

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
> > (in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
> > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > (in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
> > >
> > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
> > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
> > d wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
> > Goat wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
> > look.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
> > h to me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
> > ter*, but I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure, I guess.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
> > ell's Spain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years is "misdirective", though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
> > gade'?" kinda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What about *Burmese Days*?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not 100% important for me, no.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, tho
> > gh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
> > Paris and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
> > teen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
> > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
> > to Wigan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
> > though in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
> > teen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!
> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
> > n, and what
> > > > > > > > > > > > he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
> > (which
> > > > > > > > > > > > he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
> > British
> > > > > > > > > > > > socialist
> > > > > > > > > > > > of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
> > ups in Spain,
> > > > > > > > > > > > "opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
> > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Ahem."
> > > > > > > > > > > > Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
> > ot sure.
> > > > > > > > > > He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
> > per
> > > > > > > > > > Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972)..
> > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, sure.
> > > > > > > > "And Orwell was..."
> > > > > > > > A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
> > ght now?
> > > > > > > "I don't think so."
> > > > > > > Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
> > on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
> > > > > > > "Common idea?"
> > > > > > > Maybe he didn't, really.
> > > > > > > "That's hardly likely."
> > > > > > > What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
> > informed but highly definite suggestions?
> > > > > > "Um?
> > > > > > Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
> > c they were perhaps better-informed about?
> > > > > Is it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
> > ar purpose, and an alternate conjecture
> > > > > (or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
> > to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequate
> > > > as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
> > orical events themselves. It seems like
> > > > a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
> > >
> > > "Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
> > > "Which militia?"
> > > "His militia was the POUM's"
> > >
> > > That's how the grammar works.
> > >
> > > Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by
> > > Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
> > > just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
> > Not a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
> > in it.
> Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.
> "Oh, I'm feyly believable."
> Yeah, about that...

Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...
It's not "key" to their mythology.

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On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:13:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
> > > (in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
> > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > (in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
> > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
> > > d wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
> > > Goat wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
> > > look.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
> > > h to me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
> > > ter*, but I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure, I guess.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
> > > ell's Spain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years is "misdirective", though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
> > > gade'?" kinda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What about *Burmese Days*?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not 100% important for me, no.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, tho
> > > gh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
> > > Paris and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
> > > teen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
> > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
> > > to Wigan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
> > > though in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
> > > teen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
> > > n, and what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
> > > (which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
> > > British
> > > > > > > > > > > > > socialist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
> > > ups in Spain,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
> > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ahem."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
> > > ot sure.
> > > > > > > > > > > He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
> > > per
> > > > > > > > > > > Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
> > > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, sure.
> > > > > > > > > "And Orwell was..."
> > > > > > > > > A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
> > > ght now?
> > > > > > > > "I don't think so."
> > > > > > > > Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
> > > on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
> > > > > > > > "Common idea?"
> > > > > > > > Maybe he didn't, really.
> > > > > > > > "That's hardly likely."
> > > > > > > > What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
> > > informed but highly definite suggestions?
> > > > > > > "Um?
> > > > > > > Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
> > > c they were perhaps better-informed about?
> > > > > > Is it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
> > > ar purpose, and an alternate conjecture
> > > > > > (or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
> > > to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequate
> > > > > as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
> > > orical events themselves. It seems like
> > > > > a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
> > > >
> > > > "Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
> > > > "Which militia?"
> > > > "His militia was the POUM's"
> > > >
> > > > That's how the grammar works.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by
> > > > Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
> > > > just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
> > > Not a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
> > > in it.
> > Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.
> > "Oh, I'm feyly believable."
> > Yeah, about that...
> Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...
> It's not "key" to their mythology.


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 by: Jeffrey Rubard - Mon, 24 Oct 2022 19:43 UTC

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:13:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
> > > > (in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
> > > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > (in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
> > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
> > > > d wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
> > > > Goat wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
> > > > look.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
> > > > h to me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
> > > > ter*, but I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure, I guess.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
> > > > ell's Spain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years is "misdirective", though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
> > > > gade'?" kinda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What about *Burmese Days*?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not 100% important for me, no.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, tho
> > > > gh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
> > > > Paris and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
> > > > teen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
> > > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
> > > > to Wigan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
> > > > though in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
> > > > teen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
> > > > n, and what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
> > > > (which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
> > > > British
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > socialist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
> > > > ups in Spain,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
> > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ahem."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
> > > > ot sure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
> > > > per
> > > > > > > > > > > > Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
> > > > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, sure.
> > > > > > > > > > "And Orwell was..."
> > > > > > > > > > A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
> > > > ght now?
> > > > > > > > > "I don't think so."
> > > > > > > > > Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
> > > > on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
> > > > > > > > > "Common idea?"
> > > > > > > > > Maybe he didn't, really.
> > > > > > > > > "That's hardly likely."
> > > > > > > > > What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
> > > > informed but highly definite suggestions?
> > > > > > > > "Um?
> > > > > > > > Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
> > > > c they were perhaps better-informed about?
> > > > > > > Is it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
> > > > ar purpose, and an alternate conjecture
> > > > > > > (or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
> > > > to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequate
> > > > > > as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
> > > > orical events themselves. It seems like
> > > > > > a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
> > > > > "Which militia?"
> > > > > "His militia was the POUM's"
> > > > >
> > > > > That's how the grammar works.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by
> > > > > Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
> > > > > just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
> > > > Not a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
> > > > in it.
> > > Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.
> > > "Oh, I'm feyly believable."
> > > Yeah, about that...
> > Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...
> > It's not "key" to their mythology.
> Like there could be a "key to all the mythologies", anyway.


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 by: Jeffrey Rubard - Tue, 25 Oct 2022 20:32 UTC

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:43:22 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:13:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
> > > > > (in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
> > > > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > (in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
> > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
> > > > > d wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
> > > > > Goat wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
> > > > > look.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
> > > > > h to me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
> > > > > ter*, but I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure, I guess.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
> > > > > ell's Spain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years is "misdirective", though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
> > > > > gade'?" kinda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What about *Burmese Days*?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not 100% important for me, no.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, tho
> > > > > gh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
> > > > > Paris and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
> > > > > teen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
> > > > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
> > > > > to Wigan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
> > > > > though in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
> > > > > teen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
> > > > > n, and what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
> > > > > (which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
> > > > > British
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > socialist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
> > > > > ups in Spain,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ahem."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
> > > > > ot sure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
> > > > > per
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
> > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, sure.
> > > > > > > > > > > "And Orwell was..."
> > > > > > > > > > > A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
> > > > > ght now?
> > > > > > > > > > "I don't think so."
> > > > > > > > > > Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
> > > > > on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
> > > > > > > > > > "Common idea?"
> > > > > > > > > > Maybe he didn't, really.
> > > > > > > > > > "That's hardly likely."
> > > > > > > > > > What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
> > > > > informed but highly definite suggestions?
> > > > > > > > > "Um?
> > > > > > > > > Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
> > > > > c they were perhaps better-informed about?
> > > > > > > > Is it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
> > > > > ar purpose, and an alternate conjecture
> > > > > > > > (or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
> > > > > to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequate
> > > > > > > as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
> > > > > orical events themselves. It seems like
> > > > > > > a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
> > > > > > "Which militia?"
> > > > > > "His militia was the POUM's"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's how the grammar works.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by
> > > > > > Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
> > > > > > just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
> > > > > Not a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
> > > > > in it.
> > > > Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.
> > > > "Oh, I'm feyly believable."
> > > > Yeah, about that...
> > > Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...
> > > It's not "key" to their mythology.
> > Like there could be a "key to all the mythologies", anyway.
> (The *New Science* sure doesn't count, that's for sure.)


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 by: Jeffrey Rubard - Wed, 26 Oct 2022 02:34 UTC

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 1:32:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:43:22 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:13:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
> > > > > > (in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
> > > > > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > (in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
> > > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
> > > > > > d wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
> > > > > > Goat wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
> > > > > > look.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
> > > > > > h to me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
> > > > > > ter*, but I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure, I guess.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
> > > > > > ell's Spain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years is "misdirective", though..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
> > > > > > gade'?" kinda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What about *Burmese Days*?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not 100% important for me, no.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, tho
> > > > > > gh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
> > > > > > Paris and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
> > > > > > teen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
> > > > > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
> > > > > > to Wigan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
> > > > > > though in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
> > > > > > teen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
> > > > > > n, and what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
> > > > > > (which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
> > > > > > British
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > socialist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
> > > > > > ups in Spain,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ahem."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
> > > > > > ot sure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
> > > > > > per
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, sure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > "And Orwell was..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
> > > > > > ght now?
> > > > > > > > > > > "I don't think so."
> > > > > > > > > > > Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
> > > > > > on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
> > > > > > > > > > > "Common idea?"
> > > > > > > > > > > Maybe he didn't, really.
> > > > > > > > > > > "That's hardly likely."
> > > > > > > > > > > What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
> > > > > > informed but highly definite suggestions?
> > > > > > > > > > "Um?
> > > > > > > > > > Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
> > > > > > c they were perhaps better-informed about?
> > > > > > > > > Is it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
> > > > > > ar purpose, and an alternate conjecture
> > > > > > > > > (or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
> > > > > > to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequate
> > > > > > > > as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
> > > > > > orical events themselves. It seems like
> > > > > > > > a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
> > > > > > > "Which militia?"
> > > > > > > "His militia was the POUM's"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That's how the grammar works.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by
> > > > > > > Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
> > > > > > > just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
> > > > > > Not a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
> > > > > > in it.
> > > > > Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.
> > > > > "Oh, I'm feyly believable."
> > > > > Yeah, about that...
> > > > Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...
> > > > It's not "key" to their mythology.
> > > Like there could be a "key to all the mythologies", anyway.
> > (The *New Science* sure doesn't count, that's for sure.)
> Graham Greene is just not the same writer, either. Ford Madox Ford was his "own thing", and like that.


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On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 1:32:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:43:22 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:13:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
> > > > > > > (in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > > (in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
> > > > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups..com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
> > > > > > > d wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
> > > > > > > Goat wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
> > > > > > > look.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
> > > > > > > h to me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
> > > > > > > ter*, but I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure, I guess.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
> > > > > > > ell's Spain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years is "misdirective", though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
> > > > > > > gade'?" kinda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What about *Burmese Days*?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not 100% important for me, no.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, tho
> > > > > > > gh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
> > > > > > > Paris and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
> > > > > > > teen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
> > > > > > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
> > > > > > > to Wigan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
> > > > > > > though in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
> > > > > > > teen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
> > > > > > > n, and what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
> > > > > > > (which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he formally quit at some point in the... 1930s?) It was as a
> > > > > > > British
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > socialist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
> > > > > > > ups in Spain,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ahem."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
> > > > > > > ot sure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
> > > > > > > per
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, sure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "And Orwell was..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
> > > > > > > ght now?
> > > > > > > > > > > > "I don't think so."
> > > > > > > > > > > > Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
> > > > > > > on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Common idea?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe he didn't, really.
> > > > > > > > > > > > "That's hardly likely."
> > > > > > > > > > > > What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
> > > > > > > informed but highly definite suggestions?
> > > > > > > > > > > "Um?
> > > > > > > > > > > Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
> > > > > > > c they were perhaps better-informed about?
> > > > > > > > > > Is it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
> > > > > > > ar purpose, and an alternate conjecture
> > > > > > > > > > (or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
> > > > > > > to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequate
> > > > > > > > > as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
> > > > > > > orical events themselves. It seems like
> > > > > > > > > a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
> > > > > > > > "Which militia?"
> > > > > > > > "His militia was the POUM's"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's how the grammar works.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by
> > > > > > > > Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
> > > > > > > > just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
> > > > > > > Not a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
> > > > > > > in it.
> > > > > > Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.
> > > > > > "Oh, I'm feyly believable."
> > > > > > Yeah, about that...
> > > > > Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...
> > > > > It's not "key" to their mythology.
> > > > Like there could be a "key to all the mythologies", anyway.
> > > (The *New Science* sure doesn't count, that's for sure.)
> > Graham Greene is just not the same writer, either. Ford Madox Ford was his "own thing", and like that.
> "I don't believe you."
> You think Ford Madox Ford and Orwell were the same person, then?


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 by: Jeffrey Rubard - Wed, 16 Nov 2022 01:04 UTC

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 2:52:58 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 1:32:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:43:22 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:13:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
> > > > > > > > (in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > > > (in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
> > > > > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
> > > > > > > > d wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
> > > > > > > > Goat wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
> > > > > > > > look.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
> > > > > > > > h to me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
> > > > > > > > ter*, but I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure, I guess.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
> > > > > > > > ell's Spain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years is "misdirective", though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
> > > > > > > > gade'?" kinda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What about *Burmese Days*?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not 100% important for me, no.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, tho
> > > > > > > > gh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
> > > > > > > > Paris and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
> > > > > > > > teen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
> > > > > > > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
> > > > > > > > to Wigan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
> > > > > > > > though in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
> > > > > > > > teen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
> > > > > > > > n, and what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
> > > > > > > > (which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he formally quit at some point in the.... 1930s?) It was as a
> > > > > > > > British
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > socialist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
> > > > > > > > ups in Spain,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
> > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ahem."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
> > > > > > > > ot sure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
> > > > > > > > per
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, sure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "And Orwell was..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
> > > > > > > > ght now?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "I don't think so."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
> > > > > > > > on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Common idea?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe he didn't, really.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "That's hardly likely."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
> > > > > > > > informed but highly definite suggestions?
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Um?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
> > > > > > > > c they were perhaps better-informed about?
> > > > > > > > > > > Is it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
> > > > > > > > ar purpose, and an alternate conjecture
> > > > > > > > > > > (or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
> > > > > > > > to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequate
> > > > > > > > > > as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
> > > > > > > > orical events themselves. It seems like
> > > > > > > > > > a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
> > > > > > > > > "Which militia?"
> > > > > > > > > "His militia was the POUM's"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That's how the grammar works.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by
> > > > > > > > > Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
> > > > > > > > > just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
> > > > > > > > Not a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
> > > > > > > > in it.
> > > > > > > Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.
> > > > > > > "Oh, I'm feyly believable."
> > > > > > > Yeah, about that...
> > > > > > Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...
> > > > > > It's not "key" to their mythology.
> > > > > Like there could be a "key to all the mythologies", anyway.
> > > > (The *New Science* sure doesn't count, that's for sure.)
> > > Graham Greene is just not the same writer, either. Ford Madox Ford was his "own thing", and like that.
> > "I don't believe you."
> > You think Ford Madox Ford and Orwell were the same person, then?
> I like Orwell better, but I guess that's "weak".


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 by: Jeffrey Rubard - Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:16 UTC

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:04:55 PM UTC-8, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 2:52:58 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 1:32:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:43:22 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 3:14:06 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:13:51 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 6:11:30 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 4:27:19 PM UTC-7, Pluted Pup wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, 19 Oct 2022 22:15:25 -0700, Pluted Pup wrote
> > > > > > > > > (in article<0001HW.290110ED0...@news.giganews.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 13:43:19 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > > > > (in article<ef568055-6fe1-4cbf...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:20:39 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 12:34:25 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 2:42:23 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 9:46:50 PM UTC-7, Robert Woodward
> > > > > > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article<0053de6a-458f-456f...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreyda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 3:40:20 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey Ruba
> > > > > > > > > d wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 2:23:35 PM UTC-7, The Horny
> > > > > > > > > Goat wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:02:05 -0700, Pluted Pup <plut...@ou
> > > > > > > > > look.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 15:40:34 -0700, Jeffrey Rubard wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in article<07be0792-6f9c-42da...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Keep the Aspidistra Flying* was about as mu
> > > > > > > > > h to me,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, so maybe I don't know enough here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I always say I never read *A Clergyman's Daug
> > > > > > > > > ter*, but I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure, I guess.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is pretty obvious that your explanation of Or
> > > > > > > > > ell's Spain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years is "misdirective", though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ("Was Abraham Lincoln in the 'Abraham Lincoln Br
> > > > > > > > > gade'?" kinda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff.)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "What about *Burmese Days*?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was not 100% important for me, no.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Such, Such Were the Joys* was another good one, tho
> > > > > > > > > gh.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I don't know that you would think *Down and Out in
> > > > > > > > > Paris and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > London* was "pluted", but I liked that one too as a pr
> > > > > > > > > teen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I´ve read that, but I haven´t read Road to Wagon Pie
> > > > > > > > > yet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't read that one either but I >HAVE< read The Road
> > > > > > > > > to Wigan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pier (both halves of the book - the second is REALLY bleak
> > > > > > > > > though in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my opinion it wasn't as good as Homage to Catalonia or Nin
> > > > > > > > > teen
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eighty-Four (the correct spelling - NOT the number dammit!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, there was an Orwell before the dystopian science ficti
> > > > > > > > > n, and what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he was was a "major adherent" of the Independent Labour Part
> > > > > > > > > (which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he formally quit at some point in the.... 1930s?) It was as a
> > > > > > > > > British
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > socialist
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of an anti-Leninist tenor that he was "working with" POUM gr
> > > > > > > > > ups in Spain,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "opposite to" American CPUSA members who joined with the PCE
> > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of the "Abraham Lincoln Brigade"..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ahem."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those are, uh, the facts of the matter.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Hemingway was in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, but I'm
> > > > > > > > > ot sure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was a reporter for a newspaper syndicate, North America Newsp
> > > > > > > > > per
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alliance (acquired by United Feature Syndicate in 1972).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, sure.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "And Orwell was..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A leading light of the UK social-democratic left? Or are we "high" r
> > > > > > > > > ght now?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I don't think so."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you offer a *plausible* alternate suggestion, broadening the com
> > > > > > > > > on idea that he had a "change of heart" around the time of 1984 and Animal Farm?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Common idea?"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe he didn't, really.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "That's hardly likely."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the particular probability metric that drives such seemingly-u
> > > > > > > > > informed but highly definite suggestions?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Um?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Like, why would you figure you knew better than other people about a top
> > > > > > > > > c they were perhaps better-informed about?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Is it more like you're really set on disseminating a "canard" to a particu
> > > > > > > > > ar purpose, and an alternate conjecture
> > > > > > > > > > > > (or one which is really not conjecture at all) shows you up?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I really do think so. "A. Militia" is something ordered to suit in som
> > > > > > > > > to-me-obscure context, and hardly adequate
> > > > > > > > > > > as regards discussing Orwell's Spain experience or the trajectory of the his
> > > > > > > > > orical events themselves. It seems like
> > > > > > > > > > > a "hurdy-gurdy" of a sort of sinister character.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Orwell fought in a militia in Spain"
> > > > > > > > > > "Which militia?"
> > > > > > > > > > "His militia was the POUM's"
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That's how the grammar works.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Now, I've read his negative review of a ghost-like novel by
> > > > > > > > > > Graham Green and it made me curious so I read it. It's
> > > > > > > > > > just not the sort of stuff that Orwell likes.
> > > > > > > > > Not a Ghost Novel, but a Mystery, that had a ghost-like element
> > > > > > > > > in it.
> > > > > > > > Americans also don't "capitalize" words in that fashion -- it makes them "feyly" unbelievable.
> > > > > > > > "Oh, I'm feyly believable."
> > > > > > > > Yeah, about that...
> > > > > > > Just generally, if you think there is a "classic con" involving British novels... well...
> > > > > > > It's not "key" to their mythology.
> > > > > > Like there could be a "key to all the mythologies", anyway.
> > > > > (The *New Science* sure doesn't count, that's for sure.)
> > > > Graham Greene is just not the same writer, either. Ford Madox Ford was his "own thing", and like that.
> > > "I don't believe you."
> > > You think Ford Madox Ford and Orwell were the same person, then?
> > I like Orwell better, but I guess that's "weak".
> Truer Judgment:
> "I can't give that a passing grade, man. No pasaran."
> "Oh, I guess."


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