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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 23 Oct 2021 21:14 UTC

I've been working on playing Giuliani's La Rosa. I have the sheet music
for it, but does anyone know where I can download a tab version?

--
Ken

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 08:54 UTC

El Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:14:39 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:

> I've been working on playing Giuliani's La Rosa. I have the sheet music
> for it, but does anyone know where I can download a tab version?

Googling gives nothing, but "La Rose" with an e gives this amongst others:

https://www.songsterr.com/a/wsa/ruben-wan-rose-sophie-giuliani-verison-
tab-s455562t0

Or "Le Rose"

https://www.classicalguitardelcamp.com/viewtopic.php?t=37429

Doesn't the sheet music have fingerings etc? Who needs tab?

--
Paul.

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 by: Ken Blake - Sun, 24 Oct 2021 18:39 UTC

On 10/24/2021 1:54 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:14:39 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
>> I've been working on playing Giuliani's La Rosa. I have the sheet music
>> for it, but does anyone know where I can download a tab version?
>
> Googling gives nothing, but "La Rose" with an e gives this amongst others:
>
> https://www.songsterr.com/a/wsa/ruben-wan-rose-sophie-giuliani-verison-
> tab-s455562t0

Thanks, but that's an entirely different piece.

>
> Or "Le Rose"
>
> https://www.classicalguitardelcamp.com/viewtopic.php?t=37429

I had seen that before. It seems to be a performance not the tab. And
besides, it says

You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to
this post.

> Doesn't the sheet music have fingerings etc?

Yes. I have Edson Lopes's version, and it's very good and very helpful.

> Who needs tab?

Me, unfortunately. My ability to sight-read music is pretty much limited
to low positions and high notes only on the first string. That means I
can sight-read some of it, but not all. I'm getting better at it, but
I'm still not good enough to sight-read this, unless I play extremely
slowly.

I've made my own tab of it, working with the Edson Lopes fingerings on
the sheet music, but it's sloppy and a good printed copy would be much
better for me.

I'm also working on memorizing it, and if I ever get it all memorized,
I'll no longer need any tab. But my ability to memorize music is very
poor and at my age (I'll be 84 in a couple of weeks) it's not getting
any better.

It's a beautiful piece--one of my favorites. It's not easy to play, but
with the help of my teacher I'm getting better at it.

--
Ken

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Mon, 25 Oct 2021 07:01 UTC

El Sun, 24 Oct 2021 11:39:19 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:

> It's a beautiful piece--one of my favorites. It's not easy to play, but
> with the help of my teacher I'm getting better at it.

Heh. I wish I had a teacher. Here, it's flamenco or nothing.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:25 UTC

El Sun, 24 Oct 2021 11:39:19 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:

> Me, unfortunately. My ability to sight-read music is pretty much limited
> to low positions and high notes only on the first string. That means I
> can sight-read some of it, but not all. I'm getting better at it, but
> I'm still not good enough to sight-read this, unless I play extremely
> slowly.
>
> I've made my own tab of it, working with the Edson Lopes fingerings on
> the sheet music, but it's sloppy and a good printed copy would be much
> better for me.

Have you seen this?

https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/tablature

Looks like it could be what you need.

"Create a new tablature staff
If you wish to create tablature as part of a new score, use the New Score
Wizard. If you want to add tablature to an existing score, use the
Instruments dialog. Or, alternatively, you can convert an existing
standard staff. See below for details."

HTH.

I don't actually use tab, but I'm thinking of having a play with this.

Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Steven Bornfeld - Mon, 25 Oct 2021 15:41 UTC

On 10/23/2021 5:14 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> I've been working on playing Giuliani's La Rosa. I have the sheet music
> for it, but does anyone know where I can download a tab version?
>

From the "Morceaux Caracteristiques? I found the instruction by
Bridget Mermikides to be very helpful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKfwq9e0ggs

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 by: Ken Blake - Mon, 25 Oct 2021 23:27 UTC

On 10/25/2021 8:41 AM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> On 10/23/2021 5:14 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> I've been working on playing Giuliani's La Rosa. I have the sheet music
>> for it, but does anyone know where I can download a tab version?
>>
>
>
> From the "Morceaux Caracteristiques? I found the instruction by
> Bridget Mermikides to be very helpful:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKfwq9e0ggs

Thanks. I looked at this a while back, but I don't remember it well.
I'll try it again tomorrow.

--
Ken

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 by: Ken Blake - Mon, 25 Oct 2021 23:49 UTC

On 10/25/2021 12:01 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Sun, 24 Oct 2021 11:39:19 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
>> It's a beautiful piece--one of my favorites. It's not easy to play, but
>> with the help of my teacher I'm getting better at it.
>
>
> Heh. I wish I had a teacher. Here, it's flamenco or nothing.

I live in Tucson, AZ. The University of Arizona's guitar program is very
good, and there are several doctoral students and graduates here (from
all over the world) who are excellent players. Some of them are also
excellent teachers.

I'm on my third doctoral student teacher, and I've been very lucky with
each of the three. They've all been wonderful.

The first one was from the Philippines, and he moved back home shortly
after he graduated.

The second one was from Canada and was having visa problems. He moved
back to Canada shortly before he was going to graduate

The current one is from Chile and will probably graduate this coming
spring. Whether he'll still be here after graduation, I don't know yet,
but if I'll have to choose another teacher, there are many good ones to
choose from.

I'm 84. I've been playing the guitar for about 70 years, but mostly on
steel string guitars, and mostly playing blues and ragtime pieces. I
started studying classical guitar (I had lots of old habits that were
hard to break) about five years ago with my Philippine teacher, and I've
learned a lot from him as well as both of the others. I've gotten a lot
better (La Rosa is one of the most difficult pieces I've worked on) but
I'm a long way from being able to play concerts. I never will be at that
level and that's OK with me; I play for my own enjoyment.

Here's one of the best of the UofA's doctoral students (from Mexico)
playing La Rosa (much better than I play it):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BExn3VN42Zk&list=RDBExn3VN42Zk&start_radio=1

--
Ken

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 by: Ken Blake - Mon, 25 Oct 2021 23:51 UTC

On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Sun, 24 Oct 2021 11:39:19 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
>> Me, unfortunately. My ability to sight-read music is pretty much limited
>> to low positions and high notes only on the first string. That means I
>> can sight-read some of it, but not all. I'm getting better at it, but
>> I'm still not good enough to sight-read this, unless I play extremely
>> slowly.
>>
>> I've made my own tab of it, working with the Edson Lopes fingerings on
>> the sheet music, but it's sloppy and a good printed copy would be much
>> better for me.
>
>
> Have you seen this?
>
> https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/tablature
>
> Looks like it could be what you need.
>
> "Create a new tablature staff
> If you wish to create tablature as part of a new score, use the New Score
> Wizard. If you want to add tablature to an existing score, use the
> Instruments dialog. Or, alternatively, you can convert an existing
> standard staff. See below for details."
>
> HTH.
>
> I don't actually use tab, but I'm thinking of having a play with this.
>
> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.

I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
with what you think of it.

--
Ken

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:59 UTC

El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:49:04 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:

> Here's one of the best of the UofA's doctoral students (from Mexico)
> playing La Rosa (much better than I play it):
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=BExn3VN42Zk&list=RDBExn3VN42Zk&start_radio=1

So it is spelled with an e.

That looks slightly more difficult than twinkle twinkle little star.

I may have a way to go yet...

PS: Going to a music shop in Málaga tomorrow. I want to see what a proper
guitar feels and plays like. My Takamine 300€ jobby sounds awful and I
don't think it's just my playing. Plucking the g string sounds like
wacking a wall with a shoe.

I've heard it said that the magic number for a student like me is 1000€.
Anything below that will be a toy and anything above will be decoration.
I keep seing guitars advertised for much more.

I'll let you know how I get on.

For now back to Familia Latina.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04 UTC

El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:

> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:

>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>
>
> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
> with what you think of it.

It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been recently
updated.

I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
(transpositions).

I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to produce
the tab.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:48 UTC

El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:

> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>
>
>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>
>>
>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>> with what you think of it.
>
>
> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
> recently updated.
>
> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
> (transpositions).
>
> I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
> string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to produce
> the tab.

Here's a simple tune with auto tab:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKef8AIUi-J6s4aLNCkZC4K6mtYsqe-G/view?
usp=sharing

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 14:11 UTC

El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:59:13 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:

> For now back to Familia Latina.

Of course I meant Familia Romana.

--
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https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 14:36 UTC

El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:48:02 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:

> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>
>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>
>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player,
>>>> so you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>
>>>
>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>>> with what you think of it.
>>
>>
>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>> recently updated.
>>
>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>> (transpositions).
>>
>> I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
>> string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to
>> produce the tab.
>
> Here's a simple tune with auto tab:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKef8AIUi-J6s4aLNCkZC4K6mtYsqe-G/view?
> usp=sharing

Oh, and yes, you can modify the fingerings on the tab. I just tried it
with the open high e by changing the tab to use second string. It changed
to 5 on b. Any changes to tab that actually change the note, get
reflected in the music score.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:53 UTC

On 10/26/2021 2:59 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:49:04 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
>> Here's one of the best of the UofA's doctoral students (from Mexico)
>> playing La Rosa (much better than I play it):
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> v=BExn3VN42Zk&list=RDBExn3VN42Zk&start_radio=1
>
> So it is spelled with an e.

It's often seen spelled both ways.

> That looks slightly more difficult than twinkle twinkle little star.

LOL. Yes.

> I may have a way to go yet...
>
> PS: Going to a music shop in Málaga tomorrow. I want to see what a proper
> guitar feels and plays like. My Takamine 300€ jobby sounds awful and I
> don't think it's just my playing. Plucking the g string sounds like
> wacking a wall with a shoe.
>
> I've heard it said that the magic number for a student like me is 1000€.
> Anything below that will be a toy and anything above will be decoration.
> I keep seing guitars advertised for much more.

I had been playing a Yamaha G255SII, which I think sells for around $800
(USD). It was pretty good for a guitar in that price range, but a year
ago I splurged and bought a Yulong Guo Chamber Concert Double-Top
Classical Guitar for just under $4,000
(https://goyetteguitarcenter.com/product/yulong-guo-chamber-concert-double-top-classical-guitar).
It's still a long way from professional concert quality, but it's much
better and I like it a lot.

> I'll let you know how I get on.
>
> For now back to Familia Latina.
>

--
Ken

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:54 UTC

On 10/26/2021 3:04 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>
>
>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>
>>
>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>> with what you think of it.
>
>
> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been recently
> updated.
>
> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
> (transpositions).
>
> I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
> string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to produce
> the tab.

OK, I'll try again, when I get the chance.

--
Ken

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:58 UTC

On 10/26/2021 6:48 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>
>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>
>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>
>>>
>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>>> with what you think of it.
>>
>>
>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>> recently updated.
>>
>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>> (transpositions).
>>
>> I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
>> string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to produce
>> the tab.
>
> Here's a simple tune with auto tab:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKef8AIUi-J6s4aLNCkZC4K6mtYsqe-G/view?
> usp=sharing

Does it do the tabbing automatically, rather than letting you decide
which string to play each note on? If so, that's probably what I didn't
like about it.

Look at measure five. The G and F# that come after the high B might be
better played on the second string.

--
Ken

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:01 UTC

On 10/26/2021 10:54 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/26/2021 3:04 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>
>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>
>>>
>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>>> with what you think of it.
>>
>>
>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been recently
>> updated.
>>
>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>> (transpositions).
>>
>> I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
>> string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to produce
>> the tab.
>
>
> OK, I'll try again, when I get the chance.

I just did. It took about fifteen minutes to do the first measure, and
that was made more complicated by its accidental.

I worked on the first chord in the second measure, couldn't get it right
and so I then gave up.

This is much too difficult.

--
Ken

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:16 UTC

On 10/26/2021 1:01 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/26/2021 10:54 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 10/26/2021 3:04 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>
>>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>>>> with what you think of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been recently
>>> updated.
>>>
>>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>>> (transpositions).
>>>
>>> I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
>>> string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to produce
>>> the tab.
>>
>>
>> OK, I'll try again, when I get the chance.
>
>
> I just did. It took about fifteen minutes to do the first measure, and
> that was made more complicated by its accidental.
>
> I worked on the first chord in the second measure, couldn't get it right
> and so I then gave up.
>
> This is much too difficult.

On the Musescore web site I can get the score of La Rose with
tablature, but I can't download or print it unless I start a free trial,
which involves giving them a credit card number, which I don't want to
do. Also there are several places where I don't like the fingering in
the tab.

I tried doing a print screen of the web page, but that didn't work.

--
Ken

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:18 UTC

On 10/25/2021 4:27 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/25/2021 8:41 AM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>> On 10/23/2021 5:14 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> I've been working on playing Giuliani's La Rosa. I have the sheet music
>>> for it, but does anyone know where I can download a tab version?
>>>
>>
>>
>> From the "Morceaux Caracteristiques? I found the instruction by
>> Bridget Mermikides to be very helpful:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKfwq9e0ggs
>
>
> Thanks. I looked at this a while back, but I don't remember it well.
> I'll try it again tomorrow.

I looked at it this afternoon. It was good, but there was nothing I
didn't know already.

--
Ken

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 by: Steven Bornfeld - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:34 UTC

On 10/26/2021 1:53 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/26/2021 2:59 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:49:04 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>
>>> Here's one of the best of the UofA's doctoral students (from Mexico)
>>> playing La Rosa (much better than I play it):
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>> v=BExn3VN42Zk&list=RDBExn3VN42Zk&start_radio=1
>>
>> So it is spelled with an e.
>
>
> It's often seen spelled both ways.
>
>
>
>> That looks slightly more difficult than twinkle twinkle little star.
>
>
> LOL. Yes.
>
>
>> I may have a way to go yet...
>>
>> PS: Going to a music shop in Málaga tomorrow. I want to see what a proper
>> guitar feels and plays like. My Takamine 300€ jobby sounds awful and I
>> don't think it's just my playing. Plucking the g string sounds like
>> wacking a wall with a shoe.
>>
>> I've heard it said that the magic number for a student like me is 1000€.
>> Anything below that will be a toy and anything above will be decoration.
>> I keep seing guitars advertised for much more.
>
>
> I had been playing a Yamaha G255SII, which I think sells for around $800
> (USD). It was pretty good for a guitar in that price range, but a year
> ago I splurged and bought a Yulong Guo Chamber Concert Double-Top
> Classical Guitar for just under $4,000
> (https://goyetteguitarcenter.com/product/yulong-guo-chamber-concert-double-top-classical-guitar).
> It's still a long way from professional concert quality, but it's much
> better and I like it a lot.

IDK how well-regarded Chinese luthiers are; it seems it hasn't been long
since they were making knockoffs of other designs for not much money.
This looks of a different order entirely.
In the discussion video, did he say it was a double-laminated back?
They don't mention what the back and sides are made of--or I just missed
that.
>
>
>
>> I'll let you know how I get on.
>>
>> For now back to Familia Latina.
>>
>
>

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 22:06 UTC

On 10/26/2021 1:34 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> On 10/26/2021 1:53 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 10/26/2021 2:59 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:49:04 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>
>>>> Here's one of the best of the UofA's doctoral students (from Mexico)
>>>> playing La Rosa (much better than I play it):
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>>> v=BExn3VN42Zk&list=RDBExn3VN42Zk&start_radio=1
>>>
>>> So it is spelled with an e.
>>
>>
>> It's often seen spelled both ways.
>>
>>
>>
>>> That looks slightly more difficult than twinkle twinkle little star.
>>
>>
>> LOL. Yes.
>>
>>
>>> I may have a way to go yet...
>>>
>>> PS: Going to a music shop in Málaga tomorrow. I want to see what a proper
>>> guitar feels and plays like. My Takamine 300€ jobby sounds awful and I
>>> don't think it's just my playing. Plucking the g string sounds like
>>> wacking a wall with a shoe.
>>>
>>> I've heard it said that the magic number for a student like me is 1000€.
>>> Anything below that will be a toy and anything above will be decoration.
>>> I keep seing guitars advertised for much more.
>>
>>
>> I had been playing a Yamaha G255SII, which I think sells for around $800
>> (USD). It was pretty good for a guitar in that price range, but a year
>> ago I splurged and bought a Yulong Guo Chamber Concert Double-Top
>> Classical Guitar for just under $4,000
>> (https://goyetteguitarcenter.com/product/yulong-guo-chamber-concert-double-top-classical-guitar).
>> It's still a long way from professional concert quality, but it's much
>> better and I like it a lot.
>
> IDK how well-regarded Chinese luthiers are;

IDK either, but I doubt very much that any of them are up there with the
top European ones.

But mine was a lot less expensive than any of the top ones. As I said,
it's "a long way from professional concert quality," but I'm not and
never will be a professional. I think it was a good moderately priced
choice for me and I'm very happy with it.

> it seems it hasn't been long
> since they were making knockoffs of other designs for not much money.
> This looks of a different order entirely.
> In the discussion video, did he say it was a double-laminated back?
> They don't mention what the back and sides are made of--or I just missed
> that.

Rosewood. And I chose a cedar double-top.

--
Ken

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 22:11 UTC

On 10/26/2021 3:06 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/26/2021 1:34 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>> On 10/26/2021 1:53 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2021 2:59 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:49:04 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's one of the best of the UofA's doctoral students (from Mexico)
>>>>> playing La Rosa (much better than I play it):
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>>>> v=BExn3VN42Zk&list=RDBExn3VN42Zk&start_radio=1
>>>>
>>>> So it is spelled with an e.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's often seen spelled both ways.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> That looks slightly more difficult than twinkle twinkle little star.
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL. Yes.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I may have a way to go yet...
>>>>
>>>> PS: Going to a music shop in Málaga tomorrow. I want to see what a proper
>>>> guitar feels and plays like. My Takamine 300€ jobby sounds awful and I
>>>> don't think it's just my playing. Plucking the g string sounds like
>>>> wacking a wall with a shoe.
>>>>
>>>> I've heard it said that the magic number for a student like me is 1000€.
>>>> Anything below that will be a toy and anything above will be decoration.
>>>> I keep seing guitars advertised for much more.
>>>
>>>
>>> I had been playing a Yamaha G255SII, which I think sells for around $800
>>> (USD). It was pretty good for a guitar in that price range, but a year
>>> ago I splurged and bought a Yulong Guo Chamber Concert Double-Top
>>> Classical Guitar for just under $4,000
>>> (https://goyetteguitarcenter.com/product/yulong-guo-chamber-concert-double-top-classical-guitar).
>>> It's still a long way from professional concert quality, but it's much
>>> better and I like it a lot.
>>
>> IDK how well-regarded Chinese luthiers are;
>
>
> IDK either, but I doubt very much that any of them are up there with the
> top European ones.
>
> But mine was a lot less expensive than any of the top ones. As I said,
> it's "a long way from professional concert quality," but I'm not and
> never will be a professional. I think it was a good moderately priced
> choice for me and I'm very happy with it.
>
>
>> it seems it hasn't been long
>> since they were making knockoffs of other designs for not much money.
>> This looks of a different order entirely.
>> In the discussion video, did he say it was a double-laminated back?
>> They don't mention what the back and sides are made of--or I just missed
>> that.
>
> Rosewood. And I chose a cedar double-top.

Sorry, I should mentioned that it's Indian rosewood, not Brazilian.

--
Ken

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 by: Steven Bornfeld - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 01:54 UTC

On 10/26/2021 6:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>
> Sorry, I should mentioned that it's Indian rosewood, not Brazilian.
>

Not that I travel with my guitar, but I have no idea what kind of
documentation you need these days not to run afoul of CITES regulations.
There may be a few makers that have stock of Brazilian, but I assume
it's pretty much history for guitar making--and I don't even know if
Indian rosewood is safe to transport without papers.
The guitar I play most is a 1960s Martin 00-16, so I'm not exactly
playing a concert instrument either. Maybe I'll sploige someday.

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 05:51 UTC

El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:58:28 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:

> On 10/26/2021 6:48 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>>
>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>
>>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player,
>>>>> so you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had
>>>> with it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report
>>>> back with what you think of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>>> recently updated.
>>>
>>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>>> (transpositions).
>>>
>>> I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
>>> string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to
>>> produce the tab.
>>
>> Here's a simple tune with auto tab:
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BKef8AIUi-J6s4aLNCkZC4K6mtYsqe-G/view?
>> usp=sharing
>
>
> Does it do the tabbing automatically, rather than letting you decide
> which string to play each note on? If so, that's probably what I didn't
> like about it.

It does it automatically and then you can fine tune it.

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Paul.

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