RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/spectrum-ordered-to-pay-7-billion-in-punitive-damages-after-employee-killed-irving-woman/ar-AA100gUg?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=f8126b7b71a0480aa0c7f97527ab400e

It said the original award was $375 million compensatory. The victim was
83 years old. That's supposed to be based on projected earnings, right?

That jury must have been stoned out of its mind.

On 2022-07-27 3:46 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/spectrum-ordered-to-pay-7-billion-in-punitive-damages-after-employee-killed-irving-woman/ar-AA100gUg?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=f8126b7b71a0480aa0c7f97527ab400e
>
> It said the original award was $375 million compensatory. The victim was
> 83 years old. That's supposed to be based on projected earnings, right?
>
An 83 year old woman was expected to make $375 million before she died?
In what universe could that happen?

> That jury must have been stoned out of its mind.

$375 million is already ridiculous; bumping it up to $7.5 billion is
completely insane. In TV shows and movies, this kind of judgement
usually gets greatly reduced by a judge or appeal court. Surely that's
going to happen here, right?

--
Rhino

In article <tbs7ka$2kd15$1@dont-email.me>, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

> On 2022-07-27 3:46 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/spectrum-ordered-to-pay-7-billion-in-p
> >> unitive-damages-after-employee-killed-irving-woman/ar-AA100gUg?ocid=winp1ta
> >> skbar&cvid=f8126b7b71a0480aa0c7f97527ab400e
> >
> > It said the original award was $375 million compensatory. The victim was
> > 83 years old. That's supposed to be based on projected earnings, right?

Some of it is. Some of it is based on pain and suffering.

> An 83 year old woman was expected to make $375 million before she died?
> In what universe could that happen?
>
>
> > That jury must have been stoned out of its mind.
>
> $375 million is already ridiculous; bumping it up to $7.5 billion is
> completely insane. In TV shows and movies, this kind of judgement
> usually gets greatly reduced by a judge or appeal court. Surely that's
> going to happen here, right?

Yes, that will happen. Either the judgment will be reduced or they'll
come to a settlement with the victim or her estate. Nobody's getting
seven and a half gigabucks.

A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
> In article <tbs7ka$2kd15$1@dont-email.me>, Rhino
> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-07-27 3:46 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/spectrum-ordered-to-pay-7-billion-in-p
>>>> unitive-damages-after-employee-killed-irving-woman/ar-AA100gUg?ocid=winp1ta
>>>> skbar&cvid=f8126b7b71a0480aa0c7f97527ab400e
>>>
>>> It said the original award was $375 million compensatory. The victim was
>>> 83 years old. That's supposed to be based on projected earnings, right?
>
>
> Some of it is. Some of it is based on pain and suffering.
>
>
>> An 83 year old woman was expected to make $375 million before she died?
>> In what universe could that happen?
>>
>>
>>> That jury must have been stoned out of its mind.
>>
>> $375 million is already ridiculous; bumping it up to $7.5 billion is
>> completely insane. In TV shows and movies, this kind of judgement
>> usually gets greatly reduced by a judge or appeal court. Surely that's
>> going to happen here, right?
>
>
> Yes, that will happen. Either the judgment will be reduced or they'll
> come to a settlement with the victim or her estate. Nobody's getting
> seven and a half gigabucks.
>

Hopefully part of the settlement will be a lot of people from spectrum
spending the rest of their lives in jail.

--
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On 7/27/2022 6:48 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>> In article <tbs7ka$2kd15$1@dont-email.me>, Rhino
>> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-07-27 3:46 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/spectrum-ordered-to-pay-7-billion-in-p
>>>>> unitive-damages-after-employee-killed-irving-woman/ar-AA100gUg?ocid=winp1ta
>>>>> skbar&cvid=f8126b7b71a0480aa0c7f97527ab400e
>>>>
>>>> It said the original award was $375 million compensatory. The victim was
>>>> 83 years old. That's supposed to be based on projected earnings, right?
>>
>>
>> Some of it is. Some of it is based on pain and suffering.
>>
>>
>>> An 83 year old woman was expected to make $375 million before she died?
>>> In what universe could that happen?
>>>
>>>
>>>> That jury must have been stoned out of its mind.
>>>
>>> $375 million is already ridiculous; bumping it up to $7.5 billion is
>>> completely insane. In TV shows and movies, this kind of judgement
>>> usually gets greatly reduced by a judge or appeal court. Surely that's
>>> going to happen here, right?
>>
>>
>> Yes, that will happen. Either the judgment will be reduced or they'll
>> come to a settlement with the victim or her estate. Nobody's getting
>> seven and a half gigabucks.
>>
>
> Hopefully part of the settlement will be a lot of people from spectrum
> spending the rest of their lives in jail.

Capitalize 'Spectrum'. I briefly thought you meant autism...

On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 19:46:54 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/spectrum-ordered-to-pay-7-billion-in-punitive-damages-after-employee-killed-irving-woman/ar-AA100gUg?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=f8126b7b71a0480aa0c7f97527ab400e
>
>It said the original award was $375 million compensatory. The victim was
>83 years old. That's supposed to be based on projected earnings, right?
>
>That jury must have been stoned out of its mind.

If it's compensatory rather than punitive then for sure that's
"impressive" for an 83 year old.

I can only hope to do so well...

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 19:46:54 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/spectrum-ordered-to-pay-7-billion-in-punitive-damages-after-employee-killed-irving-woman/ar-AA100gUg?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=f8126b7b71a0480aa0c7f97527ab400e
>>
>> It said the original award was $375 million compensatory. The victim was
>> 83 years old. That's supposed to be based on projected earnings, right?
>>
>> That jury must have been stoned out of its mind.
>
> If it's compensatory rather than punitive then for sure that's
> "impressive" for an 83 year old.
>
> I can only hope to do so well...
>

The 375 million is 90% of the compensatory.
The 7 billion is the punitive.

--
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On 7/27/2022 6:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 7/27/2022 6:48 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>>> In article <tbs7ka$2kd15$1@dont-email.me>, Rhino
>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-07-27 3:46 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/spectrum-ordered-to-pay-7-billion-in-p
>>>>>>
>>>>>> unitive-damages-after-employee-killed-irving-woman/ar-AA100gUg?ocid=winp1ta
>>>>>>
>>>>>> skbar&cvid=f8126b7b71a0480aa0c7f97527ab400e
>>>>>
>>>>> It said the original award was $375 million compensatory. The
>>>>> victim was
>>>>> 83 years old. That's supposed to be based on projected earnings,
>>>>> right?
>>>
>>>
>>> Some of it is.  Some of it is based on pain and suffering.
>>>
>>>
>>>> An 83 year old woman was expected to make $375 million before she died?
>>>> In what universe could that happen?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That jury must have been stoned out of its mind.
>>>>
>>>> $375 million is already ridiculous; bumping it up to $7.5 billion is
>>>> completely insane. In TV shows and movies, this kind of judgement
>>>> usually gets greatly reduced by a judge or appeal court. Surely that's
>>>> going to happen here, right?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, that will happen.  Either the judgment will be reduced or they'll
>>> come to a settlement with the victim or her estate.  Nobody's getting
>>> seven and a half gigabucks.
>>>
>>
>> Hopefully part of the settlement will be a lot of people from spectrum
>> spending the rest of their lives in jail.
>
> Capitalize 'Spectrum'.  I briefly thought you meant autism...

He has no idea what the fuck he's talking about. And to think I was
once a Charter employee.

On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 21:15:03 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 19:46:54 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/spectrum-ordered-to-pay-7-billion-in-punitive-damages-after-employee-killed-irving-woman/ar-AA100gUg?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=f8126b7b71a0480aa0c7f97527ab400e
>>>
>>> It said the original award was $375 million compensatory. The victim was
>>> 83 years old. That's supposed to be based on projected earnings, right?
>>>
>>> That jury must have been stoned out of its mind.
>>
>> If it's compensatory rather than punitive then for sure that's
>> "impressive" for an 83 year old.
>>
>> I can only hope to do so well...
>>
>
>The 375 million is 90% of the compensatory.
>The 7 billion is the punitive.

Even $375m compensatory is impressive for a 83 year old (even most 20
year olds!)

I hope to live long enough to earn even 1/4 of $375M!

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 21:15:03 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 19:46:54 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/spectrum-ordered-to-pay-7-billion-in-punitive-damages-after-employee-killed-irving-woman/ar-AA100gUg?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=f8126b7b71a0480aa0c7f97527ab400e
>>>>
>>>> It said the original award was $375 million compensatory. The victim was
>>>> 83 years old. That's supposed to be based on projected earnings, right?
>>>>
>>>> That jury must have been stoned out of its mind.
>>>
>>> If it's compensatory rather than punitive then for sure that's
>>> "impressive" for an 83 year old.
>>>
>>> I can only hope to do so well...
>>>
>>
>> The 375 million is 90% of the compensatory.
>> The 7 billion is the punitive.
>
> Even $375m compensatory is impressive for a 83 year old (even most 20
> year olds!)
>
> I hope to live long enough to earn even 1/4 of $375M!
>

I want to know how 10% of it is her fault. Or is the other 10% of it the
murderers fault and not spectrums?

--
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 11:55:39 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 21:15:03 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>> Even $375m compensatory is impressive for a 83 year old (even most 20
>> year olds!)
>>
>> I hope to live long enough to earn even 1/4 of $375M!
>>
>
>I want to know how 10% of it is her fault. Or is the other 10% of it the
>murderers fault and not spectrums?

That would be completely noxious in legal terms since if the killer is
of sound mind he/she is totally culpable. If they're not then 0%
culpable.

Being of sound mind for legal purposes is never a 90-10 or 80-20 sort
of thing and offering that would total distort existing meanings of
culpability.

I would not be content with a system where every culpable homicide is
prosecuted as manslaughter. Particularly for mass killers like Willie
Pickton. (Killed 50+ women over 2-3 years, in the end for only tried
for 6 of them and received the kind of sentence which ensured he's
only leaving prison feet first - though I would prefer his burial site
would be inside the prison walls. Though I would not object to
cremation followed by firing from a cannon or being used for
fertilizer at the prison farm)

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 11:55:39 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 21:15:03 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> Even $375m compensatory is impressive for a 83 year old (even most 20
>>> year olds!)
>>>
>>> I hope to live long enough to earn even 1/4 of $375M!
>>>
>>
>> I want to know how 10% of it is her fault. Or is the other 10% of it the
>> murderers fault and not spectrums?
>
> That would be completely noxious in legal terms since if the killer is
> of sound mind he/she is totally culpable. If they're not then 0%
> culpable.
>
> Being of sound mind for legal purposes is never a 90-10 or 80-20 sort
> of thing and offering that would total distort existing meanings of
> culpability.
>
> I would not be content with a system where every culpable homicide is
> prosecuted as manslaughter. Particularly for mass killers like Willie
> Pickton. (Killed 50+ women over 2-3 years, in the end for only tried
> for 6 of them and received the kind of sentence which ensured he's
> only leaving prison feet first - though I would prefer his burial site
> would be inside the prison walls. Though I would not object to
> cremation followed by firing from a cannon or being used for
> fertilizer at the prison farm)
>

Here’s some more information about the crime and the forgery and the
verdicts although I still don’t know who’s responsible for the other 10%.
It sounds like their next fight is going to be with the IRS and/or FTC.

https://apple.news/Akht7exBXQKSBmEURySWg8A

--
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On 7/30/2022 10:04 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 11:55:39 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 21:15:03 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> Even $375m compensatory is impressive for a 83 year old (even most 20
>>> year olds!)
>>>
>>> I hope to live long enough to earn even 1/4 of $375M!
>>>
>>
>> I want to know how 10% of it is her fault. Or is the other 10% of it the
>> murderers fault and not spectrums?
>
> That would be completely noxious in legal terms since if the killer is
> of sound mind he/she is totally culpable. If they're not then 0%
> culpable.
>
> Being of sound mind for legal purposes is never a 90-10 or 80-20 sort
> of thing and offering that would total distort existing meanings of
> culpability.
>
For criminal cases yes, that is the case. The fact that there are
monetary damage awards says this is a civil case where shared
culpability or liability are normal.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On 7/31/2022 1:15 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 11:55:39 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 21:15:03 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Even $375m compensatory is impressive for a 83 year old (even most 20
>>>> year olds!)
>>>>
>>>> I hope to live long enough to earn even 1/4 of $375M!
>>>>
>>>
>>> I want to know how 10% of it is her fault. Or is the other 10% of it the
>>> murderers fault and not spectrums?
>>
>> That would be completely noxious in legal terms since if the killer is
>> of sound mind he/she is totally culpable. If they're not then 0%
>> culpable.
>>
>> Being of sound mind for legal purposes is never a 90-10 or 80-20 sort
>> of thing and offering that would total distort existing meanings of
>> culpability.
>>
>> I would not be content with a system where every culpable homicide is
>> prosecuted as manslaughter. Particularly for mass killers like Willie
>> Pickton. (Killed 50+ women over 2-3 years, in the end for only tried
>> for 6 of them and received the kind of sentence which ensured he's
>> only leaving prison feet first - though I would prefer his burial site
>> would be inside the prison walls. Though I would not object to
>> cremation followed by firing from a cannon or being used for
>> fertilizer at the prison farm)
>>
>
> Here’s some more information about the crime and the forgery and the
> verdicts although I still don’t know who’s responsible for the other 10%.
> It sounds like their next fight is going to be with the IRS and/or FTC.
>
> https://apple.news/Akht7exBXQKSBmEURySWg8A
>
Reading that is appears that the jury is awarding damages based on the
company's general practice of covering up crimes by its employees rather
than just this one incident. The apparently blatantly forged documents
they introduced as evidence probably didn't help their case.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> On 7/31/2022 1:15 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 11:55:39 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022 21:15:03 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Even $375m compensatory is impressive for a 83 year old (even most 20
>>>>> year olds!)
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope to live long enough to earn even 1/4 of $375M!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I want to know how 10% of it is her fault. Or is the other 10% of it the
>>>> murderers fault and not spectrums?
>>>
>>> That would be completely noxious in legal terms since if the killer is
>>> of sound mind he/she is totally culpable. If they're not then 0%
>>> culpable.
>>>
>>> Being of sound mind for legal purposes is never a 90-10 or 80-20 sort
>>> of thing and offering that would total distort existing meanings of
>>> culpability.
>>>
>>> I would not be content with a system where every culpable homicide is
>>> prosecuted as manslaughter. Particularly for mass killers like Willie
>>> Pickton. (Killed 50+ women over 2-3 years, in the end for only tried
>>> for 6 of them and received the kind of sentence which ensured he's
>>> only leaving prison feet first - though I would prefer his burial site
>>> would be inside the prison walls. Though I would not object to
>>> cremation followed by firing from a cannon or being used for
>>> fertilizer at the prison farm)
>>>
>>
>> Here’s some more information about the crime and the forgery and the
>> verdicts although I still don’t know who’s responsible for the other 10%.
>> It sounds like their next fight is going to be with the IRS and/or FTC.
>>
>> https://apple.news/Akht7exBXQKSBmEURySWg8A
>>
> Reading that is appears that the jury is awarding damages based on the
> company's general practice of covering up crimes by its employees rather
> than just this one incident. The apparently blatantly forged documents
> they introduced as evidence probably didn't help their case.
>

You have to love that they come up with a forged document with the wrong
dates and forget to even put in her signature and say “see? She promised
not to sue us“

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On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 04:47:36 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>> That would be completely noxious in legal terms since if the killer is
>> of sound mind he/she is totally culpable. If they're not then 0%
>> culpable.
>>
>> Being of sound mind for legal purposes is never a 90-10 or 80-20 sort
>> of thing and offering that would total distort existing meanings of
>> culpability.
>>
>For criminal cases yes, that is the case. The fact that there are
>monetary damage awards says this is a civil case where shared
>culpability or liability are normal.
>
OK point taken and yes it should have been obvious to me that it WAS a
civil case - doh!

On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 04:50:07 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>> Here’s some more information about the crime and the forgery and the
>> verdicts although I still don’t know who’s responsible for the other 10%.
>> It sounds like their next fight is going to be with the IRS and/or FTC.
>>
>> https://apple.news/Akht7exBXQKSBmEURySWg8A
>>
>Reading that is appears that the jury is awarding damages based on the
>company's general practice of covering up crimes by its employees rather
>than just this one incident. The apparently blatantly forged documents
>they introduced as evidence probably didn't help their case.
>
While I now understand that this was a civil case, was it tried by
jury or by judge alone? (In Canada both are common in civil litigation
and only the largest cases go before a jury)

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 04:50:07 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
> <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>>> Here’s some more information about the crime and the forgery and the
>>> verdicts although I still don’t know who’s responsible for the other 10%.
>>> It sounds like their next fight is going to be with the IRS and/or FTC.
>>>
>>> https://apple.news/Akht7exBXQKSBmEURySWg8A
>>>
>> Reading that is appears that the jury is awarding damages based on the
>> company's general practice of covering up crimes by its employees rather
>> than just this one incident. The apparently blatantly forged documents
>> they introduced as evidence probably didn't help their case.
>>
> While I now understand that this was a civil case, was it tried by
> jury or by judge alone? (In Canada both are common in civil litigation
> and only the largest cases go before a jury)
>

Several articles say Dallas Texas county jury.

I found articles that say a jury awarded the 7.5 billion, the 375 million,
and decided the 90% responsibility.

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A Friend <nope@noway.com> writes:

> In article <tbs7ka$2kd15$1@dont-email.me>, Rhino
> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>> On 2022-07-27 3:46 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/spectrum-ordered-to-pay-7-billion-in-punitive-damages-after-employee-killed-irving-woman/ar-AA100gUg?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=f8126b7b71a0480aa0c7f97527ab400e
>>>
>>> It said the original award was $375 million compensatory. The victim
>>> was 83 years old. That's supposed to be based on projected earnings,
>>> right?
>
> Some of it is. Some of it is based on pain and suffering.

If it were about earnings alone, then it could be open season on the
retired elderly living on modest fixed incomes.

>> $375 million is already ridiculous; bumping it up to $7.5 billion is
>> completely insane.

The punitive damages are no longer about the victim per se, but about
punishing the defense (as the word 'punitive' suggests) for egregious
behavior.

>> In TV shows and movies, this kind of judgement usually gets greatly
>> reduced by a judge or appeal court. Surely that's going to happen
>> here, right?
>
> Yes, that will happen. Either the judgment will be reduced or they'll
> come to a settlement with the victim or her estate. Nobody's getting
> seven and a half gigabucks.

But setting the punitive damages high gives the plaitiffs something to
bargain with. The article also suggests that the plaintiffs' lawyer(s)
made a very good case for not just negligence on the part of the
defendant, but also for forgery on the part of the defendant's lawyers.
That's some deep doo-doo to wade into.

-Micky

Micky DuPree <MDuPree@theworld.com.snip.to.reply> wrote:
> A Friend <nope@noway.com> writes:
>
>> In article <tbs7ka$2kd15$1@dont-email.me>, Rhino
>> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
>>> On 2022-07-27 3:46 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
>>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/spectrum-ordered-to-pay-7-billion-in-punitive-damages-after-employee-killed-irving-woman/ar-AA100gUg?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=f8126b7b71a0480aa0c7f97527ab400e
>>>>
>>>> It said the original award was $375 million compensatory. The victim
>>>> was 83 years old. That's supposed to be based on projected earnings,
>>>> right?
>>
>> Some of it is. Some of it is based on pain and suffering.
>
> If it were about earnings alone, then it could be open season on the
> retired elderly living on modest fixed incomes.
>
>>> $375 million is already ridiculous; bumping it up to $7.5 billion is
>>> completely insane.
>
> The punitive damages are no longer about the victim per se, but about
> punishing the defense (as the word 'punitive' suggests) for egregious
> behavior.

Which is why punitives should go to the state-- to be used to fund the
judiciary-- not the plaintiff.