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* Re: Ginsberg's Rorschach poetryWill Dockery
+* Re: Ginsberg's Rorschach poetryMichael Pendragon
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 by: Will Dockery - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 13:27 UTC

Allen Ginsberg's poem shows no pedophilia as far as I can tell.

What you claim to see in the poem seems to be from your own imagination, Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 13:46 UTC

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 9:27:52 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Allen Ginsberg's poem shows no pedophilia as far as I can tell.
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> What you claim to see in the poem seems to be from your own imagination, Pendragon.

Says the illiterate high school dropout who's incapable of composing poetry in complete and/or intelligible sentences.

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 by: Will Dockery - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 13:55 UTC

So, where in the poem is there any specific reference to pedophilia?

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 14:07 UTC

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 9:55:54 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> So, where in the poem is there any specific reference to pedophilia?

Let's try this again, Donkey:

There are exactly four ways to interpret that poem, Donkey:

1) A submissive pleading for sex from a dominator,
2) A slave pleading for BDSM sex from its master,
3) An apprentice/acolyte (adolescent boy) pleading for BDSM sex from its master, and
4) A masochistic worshipper praying for BDSM sex from God.

I don't believe that any one of these interpretations are right or wrong. If you select any one as the main narrative, the others remain as additional layers of symbolism/meaning.

And since we know that Ginsberg was a member of NAMBLA, we can assume that the apprentice/acolyte version at the forefront of his mind during the writing of this piece.

Michael Pendragon
"Allen Ginsberg had sexual activity with a young man who was NOT 15, but 17/18, and he made a hyperbolic error in using the word '15'."
-- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering

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 by: W-Dockery - Mon, 13 Jun 2022 20:15 UTC

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 9:55:54 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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>> So, where in the poem is there any specific reference to pedophilia?

> Let's try this again, Donkey:

> There are exactly four ways to interpret that poem

The fact remains that there's no specific reference to pedophilia activity in the poem.

HTH and HAND.

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 by: W-Dockery - Fri, 24 Jun 2022 13:22 UTC

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 9:27:52 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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>> Allen Ginsberg's poem shows no pedophilia as far as I can tell.
>>
>> What you claim to see in the poem seems to be from your own imagination, Pendragon.

> Says the

I didn't expect you to either understand or admit it, Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.

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 by: W-Dockery - Sat, 9 Jul 2022 23:06 UTC

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 9:27:52 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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>> Allen Ginsberg's poem shows no pedophilia as far as I can tell.
>>
>> What you claim to see in the poem seems to be from your own imagination, Pendragon.

> Says the

No, says several legitimate sources, which day that "Please Master" was written by Allen Ginsberg for Neal Cassady, a grown man.

HTH and HAND.

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 by: Victor H. - Fri, 15 Jul 2022 21:20 UTC

Will Dockery wrote:

> Michael Pendragon wrote:

>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 9:27:52 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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>>> Allen Ginsberg's poem shows no pedophilia as far as I can tell.
>>>
>>> What you claim to see in the poem seems to be from your own imagination, Pendragon.

>> Says the

> No, says several legitimate sources, which day that "Please Master" was written by Allen Ginsberg for Neal Cassady, a grown man.

> HTH and HAND.

Did Pendragon ever admit he was wrong....?

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 by: W-Dockery - Mon, 18 Jul 2022 05:09 UTC

Victor H. wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> Michael Pendragon wrote:

>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 9:27:52 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>>> Allen Ginsberg's poem shows no pedophilia as far as I can tell.
>>>>
>>>> What you claim to see in the poem seems to be from your own imagination, Pendragon.

>>> Says the

>> No, says several legitimate sources, which day that "Please Master" was written by Allen Ginsberg for Neal Cassady, a grown man.

>> HTH and HAND.

> Did Pendragon ever admit he was wrong....?

Of course not.

🙂

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 by: W.Dockery - Wed, 10 Aug 2022 03:43 UTC

Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> Michael Pendragon wrote:

>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 9:27:52 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>>> Allen Ginsberg's poem shows no pedophilia as far as I can tell.
>>>>
>>>> What you claim to see in the poem seems to be from your own imagination, Pendragon.

>>> Says the

>> No, says several legitimate sources, which day that "Please Master" was written by Allen Ginsberg for Neal Cassady, a grown man.

>> HTH and HAND.

> Did Pendragon ever admit he was wrong....?

Of course not, he just pretended to "plonk" me.

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 by: Victor H. - Fri, 12 Aug 2022 18:49 UTC

Will Dockery wrote:
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> Allen Ginsberg's poem shows no pedophilia as far as I can tell.

> What you claim to see in the poem seems to be from your own imagination, Pendragon.

> HTH and HAND.

It has been proven that A.G. wrote the poem for a grown man, N.C.

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 by: W.Dockery - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 23:08 UTC

Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> Michael Pendragon wrote:

>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 9:27:52 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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>>>> Allen Ginsberg's poem shows no pedophilia as far as I can tell.
>>>>
>>>> What you claim to see in the poem seems to be from your own imagination, Pendragon.

>>> Says the

>> No, says several legitimate sources, which day that "Please Master" was written by Allen Ginsberg for Neal Cassady, a grown man.

>> HTH and HAND.

> Did Pendragon ever admit he was wrong....?

No, he's just pretending he can't see these posts.

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