As per the subject line, it is apparently quite common for store owners
on the main drag of Canmore, Alberta, to leave their front doors propped
open during business hours to encourage potential customers to enter,
INCLUDING during the winter.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canmore-considers-forcing-shops-to-have-closed-door-policy-in-colder-months-to-reduce-emissions

I have to wonder how any business owner can afford to leave their doors
open for hours at a time given that temperatures of -40F (which is the
exact same temperature as -40C) are not unusual in Alberta in winter.
That has GOT to be an expensive proposition and the extra expense would
surely jeopardize the solvency of the business over time.

I'm also baffled by why having the door open would make such a big
difference to the behaviour of shoppers. Do they really move on to other
stores if the door isn't literally wide open when they get there? Why? I
can't think of any other part of the country where people expect shop
doors to be open in winter - or summer for that matter - given the
obvious increased cost of heating or AC if the door is kept open.

--
Rhino

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> As per the subject line, it is apparently quite common for store owners
> on the main drag of Canmore, Alberta, to leave their front doors propped
> open during business hours to encourage potential customers to enter,
> INCLUDING during the winter.
>
> https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canmore-considers-forcing-shops-to-have-closed-door-policy-in-colder-months-to-reduce-emissions
>
>
>
>
> I have to wonder how any business owner can afford to leave their doors
> open for hours at a time given that temperatures of -40F (which is the
> exact same temperature as -40C) are not unusual in Alberta in winter.
> That has GOT to be an expensive proposition and the extra expense would
> surely jeopardize the solvency of the business over time.
>
> I'm also baffled by why having the door open would make such a big
> difference to the behaviour of shoppers. Do they really move on to other
> stores if the door isn't literally wide open when they get there? Why? I
> can't think of any other part of the country where people expect shop
> doors to be open in winter - or summer for that matter - given the
> obvious increased cost of heating or AC if the door is kept open.
>

We had the exact opposite situation here. They build a huge ass mall, the
galleria, right by my office. It was mostly an enormous empty central
atrium and probably five or six stories tall. And had no provision for
climate control! The stores were all required to leave their doors open to
let the air conditioning or the heat as it may be out. You can see them
blow it up in the movie TANK GIRL.

https://azbigmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Galleria-post-renovations.jpg

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On 2022-08-05 3:11 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> As per the subject line, it is apparently quite common for store owners
>> on the main drag of Canmore, Alberta, to leave their front doors propped
>> open during business hours to encourage potential customers to enter,
>> INCLUDING during the winter.
>>
>> https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canmore-considers-forcing-shops-to-have-closed-door-policy-in-colder-months-to-reduce-emissions
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I have to wonder how any business owner can afford to leave their doors
>> open for hours at a time given that temperatures of -40F (which is the
>> exact same temperature as -40C) are not unusual in Alberta in winter.
>> That has GOT to be an expensive proposition and the extra expense would
>> surely jeopardize the solvency of the business over time.
>>
>> I'm also baffled by why having the door open would make such a big
>> difference to the behaviour of shoppers. Do they really move on to other
>> stores if the door isn't literally wide open when they get there? Why? I
>> can't think of any other part of the country where people expect shop
>> doors to be open in winter - or summer for that matter - given the
>> obvious increased cost of heating or AC if the door is kept open.
>>
>
> We had the exact opposite situation here. They build a huge ass mall, the
> galleria, right by my office. It was mostly an enormous empty central
> atrium and probably five or six stories tall. And had no provision for
> climate control! The stores were all required to leave their doors open to
> let the air conditioning or the heat as it may be out. You can see them
> blow it up in the movie TANK GIRL.
>
> https://azbigmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Galleria-post-renovations.jpg
>
Is there a roof over the atrium? I'm guessing not but I see some kind of
grid in the picture so I'm confused.

Are you saying this mall literally got demolished in Tank Girl? Or was
it just some kind of CGI rendering that got demolished?

--
Rhino

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> On 2022-08-05 3:11 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>> As per the subject line, it is apparently quite common for store owners
>>> on the main drag of Canmore, Alberta, to leave their front doors propped
>>> open during business hours to encourage potential customers to enter,
>>> INCLUDING during the winter.
>>>
>>> https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canmore-considers-forcing-shops-to-have-closed-door-policy-in-colder-months-to-reduce-emissions
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have to wonder how any business owner can afford to leave their doors
>>> open for hours at a time given that temperatures of -40F (which is the
>>> exact same temperature as -40C) are not unusual in Alberta in winter.
>>> That has GOT to be an expensive proposition and the extra expense would
>>> surely jeopardize the solvency of the business over time.
>>>
>>> I'm also baffled by why having the door open would make such a big
>>> difference to the behaviour of shoppers. Do they really move on to other
>>> stores if the door isn't literally wide open when they get there? Why? I
>>> can't think of any other part of the country where people expect shop
>>> doors to be open in winter - or summer for that matter - given the
>>> obvious increased cost of heating or AC if the door is kept open.
>>>
>>
>> We had the exact opposite situation here. They build a huge ass mall, the
>> galleria, right by my office. It was mostly an enormous empty central
>> atrium and probably five or six stories tall. And had no provision for
>> climate control! The stores were all required to leave their doors open to
>> let the air conditioning or the heat as it may be out. You can see them
>> blow it up in the movie TANK GIRL.
>>
>> https://azbigmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Galleria-post-renovations.jpg
>>
> Is there a roof over the atrium? I'm guessing not but I see some kind of
> grid in the picture so I'm confused.

That grid is an enormous glass roof (see the blue area just left of
center). Being in there was being like in an ant farm that somebody left on
the windowsill.

https://galleriascottsdale.com/assets/img/site-plan.jpg

https://media.bizj.us/view/img/11657786/galleria-lobby-interior*900xx7952-5301-0-2.jpg

> Are you saying this mall literally got demolished in Tank Girl? Or was
> it just some kind of CGI rendering that got demolished?
>

The mall was closed and all but abandoned. The movie Director for Tank girl
was too stupid to use CGI or miniatures or anything else. When she needed a
tank to do something she just had them do stupid little cartoons of it.
They filmed in the galleria with all sorts of real pyrotechnics but didn’t
actually bring it down. Later it was revived as a corporate Center but
nobody wanted to leave their doors open to cool it down anymore than they
did when it was retail stores. I believe it’s gone completely now.

Sidenote: somehow my office at Fox animation ended up getting used as a
changing room for all the hot Tank girl girls. So that was fun.

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On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 13:42:06 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>As per the subject line, it is apparently quite common for store owners
>on the main drag of Canmore, Alberta, to leave their front doors propped
>open during business hours to encourage potential customers to enter,
>INCLUDING during the winter.
>
>https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canmore-considers-forcing-shops-to-have-closed-door-policy-in-colder-months-to-reduce-emissions

They certainly didn't do that in Winnipeg when I lived there in the
late 1980s. While -40 was rare -30C in January was extremely common
with a wind chill factor that made it seem much colder than -40.

In those days we were newlyweds and were trying to economize as much
as possible so I walked to work 12 months a year - which was pleasant
in August, early January not so much.

I well remember when I was responsible for tech support and arrived at
work that morning with my glasses frosted over and icicles in my
moustache only to be told I had a call from a major customer on line
1. I asked her to stall for 30 seconds to allow me to get out of my
parka. (Bear in mind that by walking through the office door I had
instantly gone from -40 to 70F and that instantly frosted everything)

Some experiences you don't forget 35 years later!

But no question at least downtown double doors between outdoors and
the office proper were the norm and no one in their right mind would
have kept their doors open in that weather. It would have struck us as
unthinkable and not something nobody would have done except as a
publicity stunt.

>I'm also baffled by why having the door open would make such a big
>difference to the behaviour of shoppers. Do they really move on to other
>stores if the door isn't literally wide open when they get there? Why? I
>can't think of any other part of the country where people expect shop
>doors to be open in winter - or summer for that matter - given the
>obvious increased cost of heating or AC if the door is kept open.

Having been there and done that that story makes me skeptical.

On 2022-08-05 6:24 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-08-05 3:11 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>> As per the subject line, it is apparently quite common for store owners
>>>> on the main drag of Canmore, Alberta, to leave their front doors propped
>>>> open during business hours to encourage potential customers to enter,
>>>> INCLUDING during the winter.
>>>>
>>>> https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canmore-considers-forcing-shops-to-have-closed-door-policy-in-colder-months-to-reduce-emissions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have to wonder how any business owner can afford to leave their doors
>>>> open for hours at a time given that temperatures of -40F (which is the
>>>> exact same temperature as -40C) are not unusual in Alberta in winter.
>>>> That has GOT to be an expensive proposition and the extra expense would
>>>> surely jeopardize the solvency of the business over time.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also baffled by why having the door open would make such a big
>>>> difference to the behaviour of shoppers. Do they really move on to other
>>>> stores if the door isn't literally wide open when they get there? Why? I
>>>> can't think of any other part of the country where people expect shop
>>>> doors to be open in winter - or summer for that matter - given the
>>>> obvious increased cost of heating or AC if the door is kept open.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We had the exact opposite situation here. They build a huge ass mall, the
>>> galleria, right by my office. It was mostly an enormous empty central
>>> atrium and probably five or six stories tall. And had no provision for
>>> climate control! The stores were all required to leave their doors open to
>>> let the air conditioning or the heat as it may be out. You can see them
>>> blow it up in the movie TANK GIRL.
>>>
>>> https://azbigmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Galleria-post-renovations.jpg
>>>
>> Is there a roof over the atrium? I'm guessing not but I see some kind of
>> grid in the picture so I'm confused.
>
> That grid is an enormous glass roof (see the blue area just left of
> center). Being in there was being like in an ant farm that somebody left on
> the windowsill.
>
> https://galleriascottsdale.com/assets/img/site-plan.jpg
>
> https://media.bizj.us/view/img/11657786/galleria-lobby-interior*900xx7952-5301-0-2.jpg
>
Geez! That is some next level insanity building a mall with an immense
magnifying glass for a roof in a town as hot as Scottsdale (and as cold
at night) and not providing for cooling OR heating! What on earth were
they thinking? How does a multimillion dollar project like that get
built without anyone noticing that there's no heating or AC?
>
>> Are you saying this mall literally got demolished in Tank Girl? Or was
>> it just some kind of CGI rendering that got demolished?
>>
>
> The mall was closed and all but abandoned. The movie Director for Tank girl
> was too stupid to use CGI or miniatures or anything else. When she needed a
> tank to do something she just had them do stupid little cartoons of it.

So they blended live action with cartoons of demolition when they needed
a demolition scene? Or was the whole thing a cartoon? [Quick trip to
IMDB....] Oh, it *was* a mix of live action and cartoon and from the
trailer, it looks like almost ENTIRELY cartoon. But there are several
live action actors in it from the looks of it, including people I've
actually heard of and/or seen in other things like Naomi Watts and Reg
Cathey (The Wire). The trailer makes it look awful and it's got a 5.3
rating but apparently it's a cult film of some kind.

> They filmed in the galleria with all sorts of real pyrotechnics but didn’t
> actually bring it down. Later it was revived as a corporate Center but
> nobody wanted to leave their doors open to cool it down anymore than they
! >
> Sidenote: somehow my office at Fox animation ended up getting used as a
> changing room for all the hot Tank girl girls. So that was fun.
>

Too bad it wasn't when you were using it! ;-) Or am I wrong about that? ;-)
--
Rhino

On 2022-08-05 6:44 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 13:42:06 -0400, Rhino
> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
>> As per the subject line, it is apparently quite common for store owners
>> on the main drag of Canmore, Alberta, to leave their front doors propped
>> open during business hours to encourage potential customers to enter,
>> INCLUDING during the winter.
>>
>> https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canmore-considers-forcing-shops-to-have-closed-door-policy-in-colder-months-to-reduce-emissions
>
> They certainly didn't do that in Winnipeg when I lived there in the
> late 1980s. While -40 was rare -30C in January was extremely common
> with a wind chill factor that made it seem much colder than -40.
>
> In those days we were newlyweds and were trying to economize as much
> as possible so I walked to work 12 months a year - which was pleasant
> in August, early January not so much.
>
> I well remember when I was responsible for tech support and arrived at
> work that morning with my glasses frosted over and icicles in my
> moustache only to be told I had a call from a major customer on line
> 1. I asked her to stall for 30 seconds to allow me to get out of my
> parka. (Bear in mind that by walking through the office door I had
> instantly gone from -40 to 70F and that instantly frosted everything)
>
> Some experiences you don't forget 35 years later!

Oh believe me, I can relate to that! Try getting out of a nicely warmed
school bus to refuel, then go into the station to pay for the fuel, then
go back through the cold air to get back into the bus, all with a face
diaper on. Condensation and I are well-acquainted!

>
> But no question at least downtown double doors between outdoors and
> the office proper were the norm and no one in their right mind would
> have kept their doors open in that weather. It would have struck us as
> unthinkable and not something nobody would have done except as a
> publicity stunt.
>
>> I'm also baffled by why having the door open would make such a big
>> difference to the behaviour of shoppers. Do they really move on to other
>> stores if the door isn't literally wide open when they get there? Why? I
>> can't think of any other part of the country where people expect shop
>> doors to be open in winter - or summer for that matter - given the
>> obvious increased cost of heating or AC if the door is kept open.
>
> Having been there and done that that story makes me skeptical.

--
Rhino

On 2022-08-05 22:44:59 +0000, The Horny Goat said:
> On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 13:42:06 -0400, Rhino
> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>
>> As per the subject line, it is apparently quite common for store owners
>> on the main drag of Canmore, Alberta, to leave their front doors propped
>> open during business hours to encourage potential customers to enter,
>> INCLUDING during the winter.
>>
>> https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canmore-considers-forcing-shops-to-have-closed-door-policy-in-colder-months-to-reduce-emissions
>>
>
> They certainly didn't do that in Winnipeg when I lived there in the
> late 1980s. While -40 was rare -30C in January was extremely common
> with a wind chill factor that made it seem much colder than -40.
>
> In those days we were newlyweds and were trying to economize as much
> as possible so I walked to work 12 months a year - which was pleasant
> in August, early January not so much.
>
> I well remember when I was responsible for tech support and arrived at
> work that morning with my glasses frosted over and icicles in my
> moustache only to be told I had a call from a major customer on line
> 1. I asked her to stall for 30 seconds to allow me to get out of my
> parka. (Bear in mind that by walking through the office door I had
> instantly gone from -40 to 70F and that instantly frosted everything)
>
> Some experiences you don't forget 35 years later!
>
> But no question at least downtown double doors between outdoors and
> the office proper were the norm and no one in their right mind would
> have kept their doors open in that weather. It would have struck us as
> unthinkable and not something nobody would have done except as a
> publicity stunt.
>
>> I'm also baffled by why having the door open would make such a big
>> difference to the behaviour of shoppers. Do they really move on to other
>> stores if the door isn't literally wide open when they get there? Why? I
>> can't think of any other part of the country where people expect shop
>> doors to be open in winter - or summer for that matter - given the
>> obvious increased cost of heating or AC if the door is kept open.
>
> Having been there and done that that story makes me skeptical.

Many shops also stupidly have the self-opening doors so close to the
footpath that they keep opening every time someone walks past the shop.
:-\

> anim8rfsk
>
> That grid is an enormous glass roof (see the blue area just left of
> center). Being in there was being like in an ant farm that somebody
> left on the windowsill.
>
> https://galleriascottsdale.com/assets/img/site-plan.jpg
>
> DRINKWATER BOULEVARD

lol

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> On 2022-08-05 6:24 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-08-05 3:11 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>> As per the subject line, it is apparently quite common for store owners
>>>>> on the main drag of Canmore, Alberta, to leave their front doors propped
>>>>> open during business hours to encourage potential customers to enter,
>>>>> INCLUDING during the winter.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canmore-considers-forcing-shops-to-have-closed-door-policy-in-colder-months-to-reduce-emissions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to wonder how any business owner can afford to leave their doors
>>>>> open for hours at a time given that temperatures of -40F (which is the
>>>>> exact same temperature as -40C) are not unusual in Alberta in winter.
>>>>> That has GOT to be an expensive proposition and the extra expense would
>>>>> surely jeopardize the solvency of the business over time.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm also baffled by why having the door open would make such a big
>>>>> difference to the behaviour of shoppers. Do they really move on to other
>>>>> stores if the door isn't literally wide open when they get there? Why? I
>>>>> can't think of any other part of the country where people expect shop
>>>>> doors to be open in winter - or summer for that matter - given the
>>>>> obvious increased cost of heating or AC if the door is kept open.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We had the exact opposite situation here. They build a huge ass mall, the
>>>> galleria, right by my office. It was mostly an enormous empty central
>>>> atrium and probably five or six stories tall. And had no provision for
>>>> climate control! The stores were all required to leave their doors open to
>>>> let the air conditioning or the heat as it may be out. You can see them
>>>> blow it up in the movie TANK GIRL.
>>>>
>>>> https://azbigmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Galleria-post-renovations.jpg
>>>>
>>> Is there a roof over the atrium? I'm guessing not but I see some kind of
>>> grid in the picture so I'm confused.
>>
>> That grid is an enormous glass roof (see the blue area just left of
>> center). Being in there was being like in an ant farm that somebody left on
>> the windowsill.
>>
>> https://galleriascottsdale.com/assets/img/site-plan.jpg
>>
>> https://media.bizj.us/view/img/11657786/galleria-lobby-interior*900xx7952-5301-0-2.jpg
>>
> Geez! That is some next level insanity building a mall with an immense
> magnifying glass for a roof in a town as hot as Scottsdale (and as cold
> at night) and not providing for cooling OR heating! What on earth were
> they thinking? How does a multimillion dollar project like that get
> built without anyone noticing that there's no heating or AC?
>>
>>> Are you saying this mall literally got demolished in Tank Girl? Or was
>>> it just some kind of CGI rendering that got demolished?
>>>
>>
>> The mall was closed and all but abandoned. The movie Director for Tank girl
>> was too stupid to use CGI or miniatures or anything else. When she needed a
>> tank to do something she just had them do stupid little cartoons of it.
>
> So they blended live action with cartoons of demolition when they needed
> a demolition scene? Or was the whole thing a cartoon? [Quick trip to
> IMDB....] Oh, it *was* a mix of live action and cartoon and from the
> trailer, it looks like almost ENTIRELY cartoon. But there are several
> live action actors in it from the looks of it, including people I've
> actually heard of and/or seen in other things like Naomi Watts and Reg
> Cathey (The Wire). The trailer makes it look awful

So then it’s one of those truthful trailers

and it's got a 5.3
> rating but apparently it's a cult film of some kind.

Yeah, I think because the comic was sort of a cult hit first.

>
>> They filmed in the galleria with all sorts of real pyrotechnics but didn’t
>> actually bring it down. Later it was revived as a corporate Center but
>> nobody wanted to leave their doors open to cool it down anymore than they
> !
>>
>> Sidenote: somehow my office at Fox animation ended up getting used as a
>> changing room for all the hot Tank girl girls. So that was fun.
>>
>
> Too bad it wasn't when you were using it! ;-) Or am I wrong about that? ;-)

I was there. There were curtains. They tended to flutter.

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On 2022-08-05 11:08 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-08-05 6:24 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-08-05 3:11 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>> As per the subject line, it is apparently quite common for store owners
>>>>>> on the main drag of Canmore, Alberta, to leave their front doors propped
>>>>>> open during business hours to encourage potential customers to enter,
>>>>>> INCLUDING during the winter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canmore-considers-forcing-shops-to-have-closed-door-policy-in-colder-months-to-reduce-emissions
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to wonder how any business owner can afford to leave their doors
>>>>>> open for hours at a time given that temperatures of -40F (which is the
>>>>>> exact same temperature as -40C) are not unusual in Alberta in winter.
>>>>>> That has GOT to be an expensive proposition and the extra expense would
>>>>>> surely jeopardize the solvency of the business over time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm also baffled by why having the door open would make such a big
>>>>>> difference to the behaviour of shoppers. Do they really move on to other
>>>>>> stores if the door isn't literally wide open when they get there? Why? I
>>>>>> can't think of any other part of the country where people expect shop
>>>>>> doors to be open in winter - or summer for that matter - given the
>>>>>> obvious increased cost of heating or AC if the door is kept open.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We had the exact opposite situation here. They build a huge ass mall, the
>>>>> galleria, right by my office. It was mostly an enormous empty central
>>>>> atrium and probably five or six stories tall. And had no provision for
>>>>> climate control! The stores were all required to leave their doors open to
>>>>> let the air conditioning or the heat as it may be out. You can see them
>>>>> blow it up in the movie TANK GIRL.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://azbigmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Galleria-post-renovations.jpg
>>>>>
>>>> Is there a roof over the atrium? I'm guessing not but I see some kind of
>>>> grid in the picture so I'm confused.
>>>
>>> That grid is an enormous glass roof (see the blue area just left of
>>> center). Being in there was being like in an ant farm that somebody left on
>>> the windowsill.
>>>
>>> https://galleriascottsdale.com/assets/img/site-plan.jpg
>>>
>>> https://media.bizj.us/view/img/11657786/galleria-lobby-interior*900xx7952-5301-0-2.jpg
>>>
>> Geez! That is some next level insanity building a mall with an immense
>> magnifying glass for a roof in a town as hot as Scottsdale (and as cold
>> at night) and not providing for cooling OR heating! What on earth were
>> they thinking? How does a multimillion dollar project like that get
>> built without anyone noticing that there's no heating or AC?
>>>
>>>> Are you saying this mall literally got demolished in Tank Girl? Or was
>>>> it just some kind of CGI rendering that got demolished?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The mall was closed and all but abandoned. The movie Director for Tank girl
>>> was too stupid to use CGI or miniatures or anything else. When she needed a
>>> tank to do something she just had them do stupid little cartoons of it.
>>
>> So they blended live action with cartoons of demolition when they needed
>> a demolition scene? Or was the whole thing a cartoon? [Quick trip to
>> IMDB....] Oh, it *was* a mix of live action and cartoon and from the
>> trailer, it looks like almost ENTIRELY cartoon. But there are several
>> live action actors in it from the looks of it, including people I've
>> actually heard of and/or seen in other things like Naomi Watts and Reg
>> Cathey (The Wire). The trailer makes it look awful
>
> So then it’s one of those truthful trailers
>
>
> and it's got a 5.3
>> rating but apparently it's a cult film of some kind.
>
> Yeah, I think because the comic was sort of a cult hit first.
>
>
>>
>>> They filmed in the galleria with all sorts of real pyrotechnics but didn’t
>>> actually bring it down. Later it was revived as a corporate Center but
>>> nobody wanted to leave their doors open to cool it down anymore than they
>> !
>>>
>>> Sidenote: somehow my office at Fox animation ended up getting used as a
>>> changing room for all the hot Tank girl girls. So that was fun.
>>>
>>
>> Too bad it wasn't when you were using it! ;-) Or am I wrong about that? ;-)
>
> I was there. There were curtains. They tended to flutter.
>
Hmm. Were they thick curtains that you couldn't see through? Or??

--
Rhino

On 8/5/2022 8:08 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-08-05 6:24 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>
>>> Sidenote: somehow my office at Fox animation ended up getting used as a
>>> changing room for all the hot Tank girl girls. So that was fun.
>>>
>>
>> Too bad it wasn't when you were using it! ;-) Or am I wrong about that? ;-)
>
> I was there. There were curtains. They tended to flutter.
>
Which had nothing to do with the rotating fan you had running in your
office, of course.

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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> On 2022-08-05 11:08 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-08-05 6:24 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-08-05 3:11 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> As per the subject line, it is apparently quite common for store owners
>>>>>>> on the main drag of Canmore, Alberta, to leave their front doors propped
>>>>>>> open during business hours to encourage potential customers to enter,
>>>>>>> INCLUDING during the winter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canmore-considers-forcing-shops-to-have-closed-door-policy-in-colder-months-to-reduce-emissions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have to wonder how any business owner can afford to leave their doors
>>>>>>> open for hours at a time given that temperatures of -40F (which is the
>>>>>>> exact same temperature as -40C) are not unusual in Alberta in winter.
>>>>>>> That has GOT to be an expensive proposition and the extra expense would
>>>>>>> surely jeopardize the solvency of the business over time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm also baffled by why having the door open would make such a big
>>>>>>> difference to the behaviour of shoppers. Do they really move on to other
>>>>>>> stores if the door isn't literally wide open when they get there? Why? I
>>>>>>> can't think of any other part of the country where people expect shop
>>>>>>> doors to be open in winter - or summer for that matter - given the
>>>>>>> obvious increased cost of heating or AC if the door is kept open.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We had the exact opposite situation here. They build a huge ass mall, the
>>>>>> galleria, right by my office. It was mostly an enormous empty central
>>>>>> atrium and probably five or six stories tall. And had no provision for
>>>>>> climate control! The stores were all required to leave their doors open to
>>>>>> let the air conditioning or the heat as it may be out. You can see them
>>>>>> blow it up in the movie TANK GIRL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://azbigmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Galleria-post-renovations.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a roof over the atrium? I'm guessing not but I see some kind of
>>>>> grid in the picture so I'm confused.
>>>>
>>>> That grid is an enormous glass roof (see the blue area just left of
>>>> center). Being in there was being like in an ant farm that somebody left on
>>>> the windowsill.
>>>>
>>>> https://galleriascottsdale.com/assets/img/site-plan.jpg
>>>>
>>>> https://media.bizj.us/view/img/11657786/galleria-lobby-interior*900xx7952-5301-0-2.jpg
>>>>
>>> Geez! That is some next level insanity building a mall with an immense
>>> magnifying glass for a roof in a town as hot as Scottsdale (and as cold
>>> at night) and not providing for cooling OR heating! What on earth were
>>> they thinking? How does a multimillion dollar project like that get
>>> built without anyone noticing that there's no heating or AC?
>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying this mall literally got demolished in Tank Girl? Or was
>>>>> it just some kind of CGI rendering that got demolished?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The mall was closed and all but abandoned. The movie Director for Tank girl
>>>> was too stupid to use CGI or miniatures or anything else. When she needed a
>>>> tank to do something she just had them do stupid little cartoons of it.
>>>
>>> So they blended live action with cartoons of demolition when they needed
>>> a demolition scene? Or was the whole thing a cartoon? [Quick trip to
>>> IMDB....] Oh, it *was* a mix of live action and cartoon and from the
>>> trailer, it looks like almost ENTIRELY cartoon. But there are several
>>> live action actors in it from the looks of it, including people I've
>>> actually heard of and/or seen in other things like Naomi Watts and Reg
>>> Cathey (The Wire). The trailer makes it look awful
>>
>> So then it’s one of those truthful trailers
>>
>>
>> and it's got a 5.3
>>> rating but apparently it's a cult film of some kind.
>>
>> Yeah, I think because the comic was sort of a cult hit first.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> They filmed in the galleria with all sorts of real pyrotechnics but didn’t
>>>> actually bring it down. Later it was revived as a corporate Center but
>>>> nobody wanted to leave their doors open to cool it down anymore than they
>>> !
>>>>
>>>> Sidenote: somehow my office at Fox animation ended up getting used as a
>>>> changing room for all the hot Tank girl girls. So that was fun.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Too bad it wasn't when you were using it! ;-) Or am I wrong about that? ;-)
>>
>> I was there. There were curtains. They tended to flutter.
>>
> Hmm. Were they thick curtains that you couldn't see through? Or??
>

I couldn’t see through the material of the curtains but I could see through
the gaps when they fluttered

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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> On 8/5/2022 8:08 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-08-05 6:24 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sidenote: somehow my office at Fox animation ended up getting used as a
>>>> changing room for all the hot Tank girl girls. So that was fun.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Too bad it wasn't when you were using it! ;-) Or am I wrong about that? ;-)
>>
>> I was there. There were curtains. They tended to flutter.
>>
> Which had nothing to do with the rotating fan you had running in your
> office, of course.
>

Lol

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On 2022-08-06 1:30 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-08-05 11:08 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-08-05 6:24 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-08-05 3:11 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> As per the subject line, it is apparently quite common for store owners
>>>>>>>> on the main drag of Canmore, Alberta, to leave their front doors propped
>>>>>>>> open during business hours to encourage potential customers to enter,
>>>>>>>> INCLUDING during the winter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canmore-considers-forcing-shops-to-have-closed-door-policy-in-colder-months-to-reduce-emissions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have to wonder how any business owner can afford to leave their doors
>>>>>>>> open for hours at a time given that temperatures of -40F (which is the
>>>>>>>> exact same temperature as -40C) are not unusual in Alberta in winter.
>>>>>>>> That has GOT to be an expensive proposition and the extra expense would
>>>>>>>> surely jeopardize the solvency of the business over time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm also baffled by why having the door open would make such a big
>>>>>>>> difference to the behaviour of shoppers. Do they really move on to other
>>>>>>>> stores if the door isn't literally wide open when they get there? Why? I
>>>>>>>> can't think of any other part of the country where people expect shop
>>>>>>>> doors to be open in winter - or summer for that matter - given the
>>>>>>>> obvious increased cost of heating or AC if the door is kept open.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We had the exact opposite situation here. They build a huge ass mall, the
>>>>>>> galleria, right by my office. It was mostly an enormous empty central
>>>>>>> atrium and probably five or six stories tall. And had no provision for
>>>>>>> climate control! The stores were all required to leave their doors open to
>>>>>>> let the air conditioning or the heat as it may be out. You can see them
>>>>>>> blow it up in the movie TANK GIRL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://azbigmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Galleria-post-renovations.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a roof over the atrium? I'm guessing not but I see some kind of
>>>>>> grid in the picture so I'm confused.
>>>>>
>>>>> That grid is an enormous glass roof (see the blue area just left of
>>>>> center). Being in there was being like in an ant farm that somebody left on
>>>>> the windowsill.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://galleriascottsdale.com/assets/img/site-plan.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> https://media.bizj.us/view/img/11657786/galleria-lobby-interior*900xx7952-5301-0-2.jpg
>>>>>
>>>> Geez! That is some next level insanity building a mall with an immense
>>>> magnifying glass for a roof in a town as hot as Scottsdale (and as cold
>>>> at night) and not providing for cooling OR heating! What on earth were
>>>> they thinking? How does a multimillion dollar project like that get
>>>> built without anyone noticing that there's no heating or AC?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you saying this mall literally got demolished in Tank Girl? Or was
>>>>>> it just some kind of CGI rendering that got demolished?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The mall was closed and all but abandoned. The movie Director for Tank girl
>>>>> was too stupid to use CGI or miniatures or anything else. When she needed a
>>>>> tank to do something she just had them do stupid little cartoons of it.
>>>>
>>>> So they blended live action with cartoons of demolition when they needed
>>>> a demolition scene? Or was the whole thing a cartoon? [Quick trip to
>>>> IMDB....] Oh, it *was* a mix of live action and cartoon and from the
>>>> trailer, it looks like almost ENTIRELY cartoon. But there are several
>>>> live action actors in it from the looks of it, including people I've
>>>> actually heard of and/or seen in other things like Naomi Watts and Reg
>>>> Cathey (The Wire). The trailer makes it look awful
>>>
>>> So then it’s one of those truthful trailers
>>>
>>>
>>> and it's got a 5.3
>>>> rating but apparently it's a cult film of some kind.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I think because the comic was sort of a cult hit first.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> They filmed in the galleria with all sorts of real pyrotechnics but didn’t
>>>>> actually bring it down. Later it was revived as a corporate Center but
>>>>> nobody wanted to leave their doors open to cool it down anymore than they
>>>> !
>>>>>
>>>>> Sidenote: somehow my office at Fox animation ended up getting used as a
>>>>> changing room for all the hot Tank girl girls. So that was fun.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Too bad it wasn't when you were using it! ;-) Or am I wrong about that? ;-)
>>>
>>> I was there. There were curtains. They tended to flutter.
>>>
>> Hmm. Were they thick curtains that you couldn't see through? Or??
>>
>
> I couldn’t see through the material of the curtains but I could see through
> the gaps when they fluttered
>
I'll bet you enjoyed their visit to Scottsdale! :-)

--
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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> On 2022-08-06 1:30 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-08-05 11:08 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-08-05 6:24 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-08-05 3:11 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> As per the subject line, it is apparently quite common for store owners
>>>>>>>>> on the main drag of Canmore, Alberta, to leave their front doors propped
>>>>>>>>> open during business hours to encourage potential customers to enter,
>>>>>>>>> INCLUDING during the winter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canmore-considers-forcing-shops-to-have-closed-door-policy-in-colder-months-to-reduce-emissions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have to wonder how any business owner can afford to leave their doors
>>>>>>>>> open for hours at a time given that temperatures of -40F (which is the
>>>>>>>>> exact same temperature as -40C) are not unusual in Alberta in winter.
>>>>>>>>> That has GOT to be an expensive proposition and the extra expense would
>>>>>>>>> surely jeopardize the solvency of the business over time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm also baffled by why having the door open would make such a big
>>>>>>>>> difference to the behaviour of shoppers. Do they really move on to other
>>>>>>>>> stores if the door isn't literally wide open when they get there? Why? I
>>>>>>>>> can't think of any other part of the country where people expect shop
>>>>>>>>> doors to be open in winter - or summer for that matter - given the
>>>>>>>>> obvious increased cost of heating or AC if the door is kept open.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We had the exact opposite situation here. They build a huge ass mall, the
>>>>>>>> galleria, right by my office. It was mostly an enormous empty central
>>>>>>>> atrium and probably five or six stories tall. And had no provision for
>>>>>>>> climate control! The stores were all required to leave their doors open to
>>>>>>>> let the air conditioning or the heat as it may be out. You can see them
>>>>>>>> blow it up in the movie TANK GIRL.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://azbigmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Galleria-post-renovations.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a roof over the atrium? I'm guessing not but I see some kind of
>>>>>>> grid in the picture so I'm confused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That grid is an enormous glass roof (see the blue area just left of
>>>>>> center). Being in there was being like in an ant farm that somebody left on
>>>>>> the windowsill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://galleriascottsdale.com/assets/img/site-plan.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://media.bizj.us/view/img/11657786/galleria-lobby-interior*900xx7952-5301-0-2.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>> Geez! That is some next level insanity building a mall with an immense
>>>>> magnifying glass for a roof in a town as hot as Scottsdale (and as cold
>>>>> at night) and not providing for cooling OR heating! What on earth were
>>>>> they thinking? How does a multimillion dollar project like that get
>>>>> built without anyone noticing that there's no heating or AC?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you saying this mall literally got demolished in Tank Girl? Or was
>>>>>>> it just some kind of CGI rendering that got demolished?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The mall was closed and all but abandoned. The movie Director for Tank girl
>>>>>> was too stupid to use CGI or miniatures or anything else. When she needed a
>>>>>> tank to do something she just had them do stupid little cartoons of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So they blended live action with cartoons of demolition when they needed
>>>>> a demolition scene? Or was the whole thing a cartoon? [Quick trip to
>>>>> IMDB....] Oh, it *was* a mix of live action and cartoon and from the
>>>>> trailer, it looks like almost ENTIRELY cartoon. But there are several
>>>>> live action actors in it from the looks of it, including people I've
>>>>> actually heard of and/or seen in other things like Naomi Watts and Reg
>>>>> Cathey (The Wire). The trailer makes it look awful
>>>>
>>>> So then it’s one of those truthful trailers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and it's got a 5.3
>>>>> rating but apparently it's a cult film of some kind.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I think because the comic was sort of a cult hit first.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> They filmed in the galleria with all sorts of real pyrotechnics but didn’t
>>>>>> actually bring it down. Later it was revived as a corporate Center but
>>>>>> nobody wanted to leave their doors open to cool it down anymore than they
>>>>> !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sidenote: somehow my office at Fox animation ended up getting used as a
>>>>>> changing room for all the hot Tank girl girls. So that was fun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad it wasn't when you were using it! ;-) Or am I wrong about that? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I was there. There were curtains. They tended to flutter.
>>>>
>>> Hmm. Were they thick curtains that you couldn't see through? Or??
>>>
>>
>> I couldn’t see through the material of the curtains but I could see through
>> the gaps when they fluttered
>>
> I'll bet you enjoyed their visit to Scottsdale! :-)
>

Actually they were mostly local girls anyway. :-)

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On 2022-08-06 9:00 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-08-06 1:30 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-08-05 11:08 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-08-05 6:24 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-08-05 3:11 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> As per the subject line, it is apparently quite common for store owners
>>>>>>>>>> on the main drag of Canmore, Alberta, to leave their front doors propped
>>>>>>>>>> open during business hours to encourage potential customers to enter,
>>>>>>>>>> INCLUDING during the winter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canmore-considers-forcing-shops-to-have-closed-door-policy-in-colder-months-to-reduce-emissions
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have to wonder how any business owner can afford to leave their doors
>>>>>>>>>> open for hours at a time given that temperatures of -40F (which is the
>>>>>>>>>> exact same temperature as -40C) are not unusual in Alberta in winter.
>>>>>>>>>> That has GOT to be an expensive proposition and the extra expense would
>>>>>>>>>> surely jeopardize the solvency of the business over time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm also baffled by why having the door open would make such a big
>>>>>>>>>> difference to the behaviour of shoppers. Do they really move on to other
>>>>>>>>>> stores if the door isn't literally wide open when they get there? Why? I
>>>>>>>>>> can't think of any other part of the country where people expect shop
>>>>>>>>>> doors to be open in winter - or summer for that matter - given the
>>>>>>>>>> obvious increased cost of heating or AC if the door is kept open.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We had the exact opposite situation here. They build a huge ass mall, the
>>>>>>>>> galleria, right by my office. It was mostly an enormous empty central
>>>>>>>>> atrium and probably five or six stories tall. And had no provision for
>>>>>>>>> climate control! The stores were all required to leave their doors open to
>>>>>>>>> let the air conditioning or the heat as it may be out. You can see them
>>>>>>>>> blow it up in the movie TANK GIRL.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://azbigmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Galleria-post-renovations.jpg
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there a roof over the atrium? I'm guessing not but I see some kind of
>>>>>>>> grid in the picture so I'm confused.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That grid is an enormous glass roof (see the blue area just left of
>>>>>>> center). Being in there was being like in an ant farm that somebody left on
>>>>>>> the windowsill.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://galleriascottsdale.com/assets/img/site-plan.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://media.bizj.us/view/img/11657786/galleria-lobby-interior*900xx7952-5301-0-2.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Geez! That is some next level insanity building a mall with an immense
>>>>>> magnifying glass for a roof in a town as hot as Scottsdale (and as cold
>>>>>> at night) and not providing for cooling OR heating! What on earth were
>>>>>> they thinking? How does a multimillion dollar project like that get
>>>>>> built without anyone noticing that there's no heating or AC?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you saying this mall literally got demolished in Tank Girl? Or was
>>>>>>>> it just some kind of CGI rendering that got demolished?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The mall was closed and all but abandoned. The movie Director for Tank girl
>>>>>>> was too stupid to use CGI or miniatures or anything else. When she needed a
>>>>>>> tank to do something she just had them do stupid little cartoons of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So they blended live action with cartoons of demolition when they needed
>>>>>> a demolition scene? Or was the whole thing a cartoon? [Quick trip to
>>>>>> IMDB....] Oh, it *was* a mix of live action and cartoon and from the
>>>>>> trailer, it looks like almost ENTIRELY cartoon. But there are several
>>>>>> live action actors in it from the looks of it, including people I've
>>>>>> actually heard of and/or seen in other things like Naomi Watts and Reg
>>>>>> Cathey (The Wire). The trailer makes it look awful
>>>>>
>>>>> So then it’s one of those truthful trailers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> and it's got a 5.3
>>>>>> rating but apparently it's a cult film of some kind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I think because the comic was sort of a cult hit first.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They filmed in the galleria with all sorts of real pyrotechnics but didn’t
>>>>>>> actually bring it down. Later it was revived as a corporate Center but
>>>>>>> nobody wanted to leave their doors open to cool it down anymore than they
>>>>>> !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sidenote: somehow my office at Fox animation ended up getting used as a
>>>>>>> changing room for all the hot Tank girl girls. So that was fun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too bad it wasn't when you were using it! ;-) Or am I wrong about that? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I was there. There were curtains. They tended to flutter.
>>>>>
>>>> Hmm. Were they thick curtains that you couldn't see through? Or??
>>>>
>>>
>>> I couldn’t see through the material of the curtains but I could see through
>>> the gaps when they fluttered
>>>
>> I'll bet you enjoyed their visit to Scottsdale! :-)
>>
>
> Actually they were mostly local girls anyway. :-)
>
Perfect! That means there was a prospect of seeing them again fairly
easily instead of having to travel a long distance, which is always less
convenient.

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