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* Re: Take a break, groupGeorge J. Dance
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|   | `* Re: Take a break, groupMichael Pendragon
|   |  `* Re: Take a break, groupGeorge J. Dance
|   |   `* Re: Take a break, groupMichael Pendragon
|   |    `* Re: Take a break, groupGeorge J. Dance
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Re: Take a break, group

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Subject: Re: Take a break, group
From: michaelm...@gmail.com (Michael Pendragon)
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 by: Michael Pendragon - Sat, 4 Jun 2022 06:37 UTC

On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 1:13:55 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-06-02 12:08 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 11:13:18 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-06-02 10:44 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > WTF are you talking about?
> >
> > "Reported facts is an oxymoron" is a general observation and has nothing to do with you whatsoever.
> Got it; I snipped my reply. Let's move on.
> > It has to do with the various media sources that report the news.
> >
> > Unless you work for CNN, you shouldn't take it personally.
> LOL! Some (Ash, eg), are just as nasty about Fox. It may be true that
> there are some media that don't report facts, but only wrong information
> or 'misinformation,' and probably true that all of them report some
> misinformation sometimes.
>
> But they're also reporting facts -- true information -- and even the
> most skeptical reader has to use them as the source of beliefs -- of his
> "reality," as you've called it. It's undeniable that most of our facts
> about the world are based on purely reported information.
> >>> so "reported facts" is oxymoronic.
> >>>
> >>> I find it difficult to believe that you didn't understand this.
> >> It's actually not that easy to understand what's going on in someone's
> >> unless they actually spell it out.
> >
> > It's an observation about the news, George.
> But certainly not a true one. There are facts that we get from news
> media reports; and we all rely on the media for such facts.
>
> Jim believes 19 people were shot dead in Uvalde, Texas. So do I, and
> I'll bet so does everyone else reading. That's a non-controversial
> 'fact'. But our only reason for our believing it's a fact is that it was
> reported. It's a "reported fact" (as opposed to a sensory fact, eg.)
> It should be obvious to everyone who reads it.
> Maybe, but thinking about shows it's just as obviously wrong.
>
> Some things reported in the media are facts; "reported" and "fact" are
> not contradictory terms.

You have absolutely no sense of humor.

A joke doesn't have to apply to every news story without exception.

The general consensus among your average man on the street is that news sources can't be trusted.

Hence the joke.

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From: ashwurth...@gmail.com (Ash Wurthing)
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 by: Ash Wurthing - Sat, 4 Jun 2022 06:47 UTC

On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 2:37:27 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 1:13:55 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-06-02 12:08 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 11:13:18 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-06-02 10:44 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > WTF are you talking about?
> > >
> > > "Reported facts is an oxymoron" is a general observation and has nothing to do with you whatsoever.
> > Got it; I snipped my reply. Let's move on.
> > > It has to do with the various media sources that report the news.
> > >
> > > Unless you work for CNN, you shouldn't take it personally.
> > LOL! Some (Ash, eg), are just as nasty about Fox. It may be true that
> > there are some media that don't report facts, but only wrong information
> > or 'misinformation,' and probably true that all of them report some
> > misinformation sometimes.
> >
> > But they're also reporting facts -- true information -- and even the
> > most skeptical reader has to use them as the source of beliefs -- of his
> > "reality," as you've called it. It's undeniable that most of our facts
> > about the world are based on purely reported information.
> > >>> so "reported facts" is oxymoronic.
> > >>>
> > >>> I find it difficult to believe that you didn't understand this.
> > >> It's actually not that easy to understand what's going on in someone's
> > >> unless they actually spell it out.
> > >
> > > It's an observation about the news, George.
> > But certainly not a true one. There are facts that we get from news
> > media reports; and we all rely on the media for such facts.
> >
> > Jim believes 19 people were shot dead in Uvalde, Texas. So do I, and
> > I'll bet so does everyone else reading. That's a non-controversial
> > 'fact'. But our only reason for our believing it's a fact is that it was
> > reported. It's a "reported fact" (as opposed to a sensory fact, eg.)
> > It should be obvious to everyone who reads it.
> > Maybe, but thinking about shows it's just as obviously wrong.
> >
> > Some things reported in the media are facts; "reported" and "fact" are
> > not contradictory terms.
> You have absolutely no sense of humor.
>
> A joke doesn't have to apply to every news story without exception.
>
> The general consensus among your average man on the street is that news sources can't be trusted.
>
> Hence the joke.

George also promotes not to trust the news.

Sad thing is the news was always a vital part of our democracy- so much that the Soviets, through the KGB (which Putin was chief of), spent so much effort to turn the public against the news, just like George does.

When the average man on the street doesn't trust the news, who will he? His fellow men who also don't trust the news and will turn to sources, with no controls over them, like online that will tell them what they want to believe.

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Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 1:13:55 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-06-02 12:08 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 11:13:18 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >> On 2022-06-02 10:44 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > WTF are you talking about?
>> >
>> > "Reported facts is an oxymoron" is a general observation and has nothing to do with you whatsoever.
>> Got it; I snipped my reply. Let's move on.
>> > It has to do with the various media sources that report the news.
>> >
>> > Unless you work for CNN, you shouldn't take it personally.
>> LOL! Some (Ash, eg), are just as nasty about Fox. It may be true that
>> there are some media that don't report facts, but only wrong information
>> or 'misinformation,' and probably true that all of them report some
>> misinformation sometimes.
>>
>> But they're also reporting facts -- true information -- and even the
>> most skeptical reader has to use them as the source of beliefs -- of his
>> "reality," as you've called it. It's undeniable that most of our facts
>> about the world are based on purely reported information.
>> >>> so "reported facts" is oxymoronic.
>> >>>
>> >>> I find it difficult to believe that you didn't understand this.
>> >> It's actually not that easy to understand what's going on in someone's
>> >> unless they actually spell it out.
>> >
>> > It's an observation about the news, George.
>> But certainly not a true one. There are facts that we get from news
>> media reports; and we all rely on the media for such facts.
>>
>> Jim believes 19 people were shot dead in Uvalde, Texas. So do I, and
>> I'll bet so does everyone else reading. That's a non-controversial
>> 'fact'. But our only reason for our believing it's a fact is that it was
>> reported. It's a "reported fact" (as opposed to a sensory fact, eg.)
>> It should be obvious to everyone who reads it.
>> Maybe, but thinking about shows it's just as obviously wrong.
>>
>> Some things reported in the media are facts; "reported" and "fact" are
>> not contradictory terms.

> You have absolutely no sense of humor.

> A joke doesn't have to apply to every news story without exception.

> The general consensus among your average man on the street is that news sources can't be trusted.

> Hence the joke.

The problem with most of your so-called humor is that it isn't funny.

HTH and HAND.

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On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:50:13 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 1:13:55 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-06-02 12:08 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 11:13:18 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> >> On 2022-06-02 10:44 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > WTF are you talking about?
> >> >
> >> > "Reported facts is an oxymoron" is a general observation and has nothing to do with you whatsoever.
> >> Got it; I snipped my reply. Let's move on.
> >> > It has to do with the various media sources that report the news.
> >> >
> >> > Unless you work for CNN, you shouldn't take it personally.
> >> LOL! Some (Ash, eg), are just as nasty about Fox. It may be true that
> >> there are some media that don't report facts, but only wrong information
> >> or 'misinformation,' and probably true that all of them report some
> >> misinformation sometimes.
> >>
> >> But they're also reporting facts -- true information -- and even the
> >> most skeptical reader has to use them as the source of beliefs -- of his
> >> "reality," as you've called it. It's undeniable that most of our facts
> >> about the world are based on purely reported information.
> >> >>> so "reported facts" is oxymoronic.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I find it difficult to believe that you didn't understand this.
> >> >> It's actually not that easy to understand what's going on in someone's
> >> >> unless they actually spell it out.
> >> >
> >> > It's an observation about the news, George.
> >> But certainly not a true one. There are facts that we get from news
> >> media reports; and we all rely on the media for such facts.
> >>
> >> Jim believes 19 people were shot dead in Uvalde, Texas. So do I, and
> >> I'll bet so does everyone else reading. That's a non-controversial
> >> 'fact'. But our only reason for our believing it's a fact is that it was
> >> reported. It's a "reported fact" (as opposed to a sensory fact, eg.)
> >> It should be obvious to everyone who reads it.
> >> Maybe, but thinking about shows it's just as obviously wrong.
> >>
> >> Some things reported in the media are facts; "reported" and "fact" are
> >> not contradictory terms.
>
> > You have absolutely no sense of humor.
>
> > A joke doesn't have to apply to every news story without exception.
>
> > The general consensus among your average man on the street is that news sources can't be trusted.
>
> > Hence the joke.
> The problem with most of your so-called humor is that it isn't funny.
>
> HTH and HAND.

Robert made the joke. Michael simply recognized it for what it was, a joke.

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On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 12:04:16 PM UTC-4, HC wrote:
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:50:13 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 1:13:55 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-06-02 12:08 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 11:13:18 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> >> On 2022-06-02 10:44 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> > WTF are you talking about?
> > >> >
> > >> > "Reported facts is an oxymoron" is a general observation and has nothing to do with you whatsoever.
> > >> Got it; I snipped my reply. Let's move on.
> > >> > It has to do with the various media sources that report the news.
> > >> >
> > >> > Unless you work for CNN, you shouldn't take it personally.
> > >> LOL! Some (Ash, eg), are just as nasty about Fox. It may be true that
> > >> there are some media that don't report facts, but only wrong information
> > >> or 'misinformation,' and probably true that all of them report some
> > >> misinformation sometimes.
> > >>
> > >> But they're also reporting facts -- true information -- and even the
> > >> most skeptical reader has to use them as the source of beliefs -- of his
> > >> "reality," as you've called it. It's undeniable that most of our facts
> > >> about the world are based on purely reported information.
> > >> >>> so "reported facts" is oxymoronic.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I find it difficult to believe that you didn't understand this.
> > >> >> It's actually not that easy to understand what's going on in someone's
> > >> >> unless they actually spell it out.
> > >> >
> > >> > It's an observation about the news, George.
> > >> But certainly not a true one. There are facts that we get from news
> > >> media reports; and we all rely on the media for such facts.
> > >>
> > >> Jim believes 19 people were shot dead in Uvalde, Texas. So do I, and
> > >> I'll bet so does everyone else reading. That's a non-controversial
> > >> 'fact'. But our only reason for our believing it's a fact is that it was
> > >> reported. It's a "reported fact" (as opposed to a sensory fact, eg.)
> > >> It should be obvious to everyone who reads it.
> > >> Maybe, but thinking about shows it's just as obviously wrong.
> > >>
> > >> Some things reported in the media are facts; "reported" and "fact" are
> > >> not contradictory terms.
> >
> > > You have absolutely no sense of humor.
> >
> > > A joke doesn't have to apply to every news story without exception.
> >
> > > The general consensus among your average man on the street is that news sources can't be trusted.
> >
> > > Hence the joke.
> > The problem with most of your so-called humor is that it isn't funny.
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
> Robert made the joke

Good because Robert usually does nothing but whine and complain.....

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On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:50:13 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:

>
> > You have absolutely no sense of humor.
>
> > A joke doesn't have to apply to every news story without exception.
>
> > The general consensus among your average man on the street is that news sources can't be trusted.
>
> > Hence the joke.
> The problem with most of your so-called humor is that it isn't funny.
>
> HTH and HAND.

The problem with most of your so-caled postings is that they are trolls.
HTH and FOAD.

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 by: George J. Dance - Sat, 4 Jun 2022 20:46 UTC

On 2022-06-04 2:37 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 1:13:55 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-06-02 12:08 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 11:13:18 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-06-02 10:44 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> WTF are you talking about?
>>>
>>> "Reported facts is an oxymoron" is a general observation and has nothing to do with you whatsoever.
>> Got it; I snipped my reply. Let's move on.
>>> It has to do with the various media sources that report the news.
>>>
>>> Unless you work for CNN, you shouldn't take it personally.
>> LOL! Some (Ash, eg), are just as nasty about Fox. It may be true that
>> there are some media that don't report facts, but only wrong information
>> or 'misinformation,' and probably true that all of them report some
>> misinformation sometimes.
>>
>> But they're also reporting facts -- true information -- and even the
>> most skeptical reader has to use them as the source of beliefs -- of his
>> "reality," as you've called it. It's undeniable that most of our facts
>> about the world are based on purely reported information.
>>>>> so "reported facts" is oxymoronic.
>>>>>
>>>>> I find it difficult to believe that you didn't understand this.
>>>> It's actually not that easy to understand what's going on in someone's
>>>> unless they actually spell it out.
>>>
>>> It's an observation about the news, George.
>> But certainly not a true one. There are facts that we get from news
>> media reports; and we all rely on the media for such facts.
>>
>> Jim believes 19 people were shot dead in Uvalde, Texas. So do I, and
>> I'll bet so does everyone else reading. That's a non-controversial
>> 'fact'. But our only reason for our believing it's a fact is that it was
>> reported. It's a "reported fact" (as opposed to a sensory fact, eg.)
>> It should be obvious to everyone who reads it.
>> Maybe, but thinking about shows it's just as obviously wrong.
>>
>> Some things reported in the media are facts; "reported" and "fact" are
>> not contradictory terms.
>
> You have absolutely no sense of humor.

Fine. You want to say Robert and Ash were just "joking." You said it.

> A joke doesn't have to apply to every news story without exception.
>
> The general consensus among your average man on the street is that news sources can't be trusted.
>
> Hence the joke.
>

Robert and Ash would be oxymorons themselves, if they had the oxy.

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George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-06-04 2:37 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 1:13:55 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> On 2022-06-02 12:08 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 11:13:18 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-06-02 10:44 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>> WTF are you talking about?
>>>>
>>>> "Reported facts is an oxymoron" is a general observation and has nothing to do with you whatsoever.
>>> Got it; I snipped my reply. Let's move on.
>>>> It has to do with the various media sources that report the news.
>>>>
>>>> Unless you work for CNN, you shouldn't take it personally.
>>> LOL! Some (Ash, eg), are just as nasty about Fox. It may be true that
>>> there are some media that don't report facts, but only wrong information
>>> or 'misinformation,' and probably true that all of them report some
>>> misinformation sometimes.
>>>
>>> But they're also reporting facts -- true information -- and even the
>>> most skeptical reader has to use them as the source of beliefs -- of his
>>> "reality," as you've called it. It's undeniable that most of our facts
>>> about the world are based on purely reported information.
>>>>>> so "reported facts" is oxymoronic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find it difficult to believe that you didn't understand this.
>>>>> It's actually not that easy to understand what's going on in someone's
>>>>> unless they actually spell it out.
>>>>
>>>> It's an observation about the news, George.
>>> But certainly not a true one. There are facts that we get from news
>>> media reports; and we all rely on the media for such facts.
>>>
>>> Jim believes 19 people were shot dead in Uvalde, Texas. So do I, and
>>> I'll bet so does everyone else reading. That's a non-controversial
>>> 'fact'. But our only reason for our believing it's a fact is that it was
>>> reported. It's a "reported fact" (as opposed to a sensory fact, eg.)
>>> It should be obvious to everyone who reads it.
>>> Maybe, but thinking about shows it's just as obviously wrong.
>>>
>>> Some things reported in the media are facts; "reported" and "fact" are
>>> not contradictory terms.
>>
>> You have absolutely no sense of humor.

> Fine. You want to say Robert and Ash were just "joking." You said it.

>> A joke doesn't have to apply to every news story without exception.
>>
>> The general consensus among your average man on the street is that news sources can't be trusted.
>>
>> Hence the joke.
>>

> Robert and Ash would be oxymorons themselves, if they had the oxy.

No argument with that.

🙂

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 by: George J. Dance - Sat, 4 Jun 2022 22:14 UTC

On 2022-06-04 2:47 a.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 2:37:27 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 1:13:55 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> On 2022-06-02 12:08 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 11:13:18 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-06-02 10:44 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>> WTF are you talking about?
>>>>
>>>> "Reported facts is an oxymoron" is a general observation and has nothing to do with you whatsoever.
>>> Got it; I snipped my reply. Let's move on.
>>>> It has to do with the various media sources that report the news.
>>>>
>>>> Unless you work for CNN, you shouldn't take it personally.
>>> LOL! Some (Ash, eg), are just as nasty about Fox. It may be true that
>>> there are some media that don't report facts, but only wrong information
>>> or 'misinformation,' and probably true that all of them report some
>>> misinformation sometimes.
>>>
>>> But they're also reporting facts -- true information -- and even the
>>> most skeptical reader has to use them as the source of beliefs -- of his
>>> "reality," as you've called it. It's undeniable that most of our facts
>>> about the world are based on purely reported information.
>>>>>> so "reported facts" is oxymoronic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find it difficult to believe that you didn't understand this.
>>>>> It's actually not that easy to understand what's going on in someone's
>>>>> unless they actually spell it out.
>>>>
>>>> It's an observation about the news, George.
>>> But certainly not a true one. There are facts that we get from news
>>> media reports; and we all rely on the media for such facts.
>>>
>>> Jim believes 19 people were shot dead in Uvalde, Texas. So do I, and
>>> I'll bet so does everyone else reading. That's a non-controversial
>>> 'fact'. But our only reason for our believing it's a fact is that it was
>>> reported. It's a "reported fact" (as opposed to a sensory fact, eg.)
>>> It should be obvious to everyone who reads it.
>>> Maybe, but thinking about shows it's just as obviously wrong.
>>>
>>> Some things reported in the media are facts; "reported" and "fact" are
>>> not contradictory terms.
>> You have absolutely no sense of humor.
>>
>> A joke doesn't have to apply to every news story without exception.
>>
>> The general consensus among your average man on the street is that news sources can't be trusted.
>>
>> Hence the joke.
>
> George also promotes not to trust the news.

I "promote" not to trust your news, as it always turns out to be fake
news - like the above claim.
>
> Sad thing is the news was always a vital part of our democracy-

I call bullshit; a free press is necessary for freedom, but not for
"democracy" - you can hold elections just fine without one, as in
Russia, eg

> so much that the Soviets, through the KGB (which Putin was chief of), spent so much effort to turn the public against the news, just like George does.

>
> When the average man on the street doesn't trust the news, who will he? His fellow men who also don't trust the news and will turn to sources, with no controls over them, like online that will tell them what they want to believe.

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On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 6:14:15 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-06-04 2:47 a.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 2:37:27 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 1:13:55 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> On 2022-06-02 12:08 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 11:13:18 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>> On 2022-06-02 10:44 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>> WTF are you talking about?
> >>>>
> >>>> "Reported facts is an oxymoron" is a general observation and has nothing to do with you whatsoever.
> >>> Got it; I snipped my reply. Let's move on.
> >>>> It has to do with the various media sources that report the news.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unless you work for CNN, you shouldn't take it personally.
> >>> LOL! Some (Ash, eg), are just as nasty about Fox. It may be true that
> >>> there are some media that don't report facts, but only wrong information
> >>> or 'misinformation,' and probably true that all of them report some
> >>> misinformation sometimes.
> >>>
> >>> But they're also reporting facts -- true information -- and even the
> >>> most skeptical reader has to use them as the source of beliefs -- of his
> >>> "reality," as you've called it. It's undeniable that most of our facts
> >>> about the world are based on purely reported information.
> >>>>>> so "reported facts" is oxymoronic.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I find it difficult to believe that you didn't understand this.
> >>>>> It's actually not that easy to understand what's going on in someone's
> >>>>> unless they actually spell it out.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's an observation about the news, George.
> >>> But certainly not a true one. There are facts that we get from news
> >>> media reports; and we all rely on the media for such facts.
> >>>
> >>> Jim believes 19 people were shot dead in Uvalde, Texas. So do I, and
> >>> I'll bet so does everyone else reading. That's a non-controversial
> >>> 'fact'. But our only reason for our believing it's a fact is that it was
> >>> reported. It's a "reported fact" (as opposed to a sensory fact, eg.)
> >>> It should be obvious to everyone who reads it.
> >>> Maybe, but thinking about shows it's just as obviously wrong.
> >>>
> >>> Some things reported in the media are facts; "reported" and "fact" are
> >>> not contradictory terms.
> >> You have absolutely no sense of humor.
> >>
> >> A joke doesn't have to apply to every news story without exception.
> >>
> >> The general consensus among your average man on the street is that news sources can't be trusted.
> >>
> >> Hence the joke.
> >
> > George also promotes not to trust the news.
> I "promote" not to trust your news, as it always turns out to be fake
> news - like the above claim.
> >
> > Sad thing is the news was always a vital part of our democracy-
> I call bullshit; a free press is necessary for freedom, but not for
> "democracy" - you can hold elections just fine without one, as in
> Russia, eg
> > so much that the Soviets, through the KGB (which Putin was chief of), spent so much effort to turn the public against the news, just like George does.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > When the average man on the street doesn't trust the news, who will he? His fellow men who also don't trust the news and will turn to sources, with no controls over them, like online that will tell them what they want to believe.

Holy shit! Is the real or some imposter troll? You're citing Russian elections that "elected" Putin over American elections? If the free press (Russia had a state run press for their "election") isn't so vital-- why is it protected in the Constitution as one of core freedoms, which means it would also apply to the press being part of elections. I thought you said you were a Libertarian? No free press is very fascist/communist/authoritarian. Saying the press isn't necessary for elections is a slippery slope condoning that the press to be controlled/suspended in other matters*...

This was the principle I tried to get across to JDC about restricting certain people's voting rights.

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On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 2:16:44 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:50:13 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> >
> > > You have absolutely no sense of humor.
> >
> > > A joke doesn't have to apply to every news story without exception.
> >
> > > The general consensus among your average man on the street is that news sources can't be trusted.
> >
> > > Hence the joke.
> > The problem with most of your so-called humor is that it isn't funny.
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
> The problem with most of your so-caled postings is that they are trolls.
> HTH and FOAD.

Look who's talking, Family Guy, who has been trolling and harassing me and the poetry group since at least 2003.

And so it goes.

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On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 9:08:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 2:16:44 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:50:13 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > You have absolutely no sense of humor.
> > >
> > > > A joke doesn't have to apply to every news story without exception.
> > >
> > > > The general consensus among your average man on the street is that news sources can't be trusted.
> > >
> > > > Hence the joke.
> > > The problem with most of your so-called humor is that it isn't funny.
> > >
> > > HTH and HAND.
> > The problem with most of your so-caled postings is that they are trolls.
> > HTH and FOAD.
> Look who's talking, Family Guy, who has been trolling and harassing me and the poetry group since at least 2003.
>
>
Obsess much, Will?
Stalk much, Will?
Paranoid much, Will?
Lie much, Will?

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 by: Will Dockery - Sun, 5 Jun 2022 18:00 UTC

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 12:48:42 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 9:08:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 2:16:44 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > > On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:50:13 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > You have absolutely no sense of humor.
> > > >
> > > > > A joke doesn't have to apply to every news story without exception.
> > > >
> > > > > The general consensus among your average man on the street is that news sources can't be trusted.
> > > >
> > > > > Hence the joke.
> > > > The problem with most of your so-called humor is that it isn't funny.
> > > >
> > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > The problem with most of your so-caled postings is that they are trolls.
> > > HTH and FOAD.
> > Look who's talking, Family Guy, who has been trolling and harassing me and the poetry group since at least 2003.
> >
> >
> Obsess much, Will?
> Stalk much, Will?
> Paranoid much, Will?
> Lie much, Will?

Project much, Alex?

🙂

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 by: Family Guy - Sun, 5 Jun 2022 20:27 UTC

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 2:00:51 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 12:48:42 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 9:08:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 2:16:44 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:50:13 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You have absolutely no sense of humor.
> > > > >
> > > > > > A joke doesn't have to apply to every news story without exception.
> > > > >
> > > > > > The general consensus among your average man on the street is that news sources can't be trusted.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hence the joke.
> > > > > The problem with most of your so-called humor is that it isn't funny.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > > The problem with most of your so-caled postings is that they are trolls.
> > > > HTH and FOAD.
> > > Look who's talking, Family Guy, who has been trolling and harassing me and the poetry group since at least 2003.
> > >
> > >
> > Obsess much, Will?
> > Stalk much, Will?
> > Paranoid much, Will?
> > Lie much, Will?
> Project much, Alex?
>
you do.
it would be within your best interests to stop.

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 by: General-Zod - Sun, 5 Jun 2022 20:31 UTC

George J. Dance wrote:

>

> It was a "war zone" in only one classroom. In the rest of the school,
> the police just hung around waiting for the SWAT team, contenting
> themselves with (1) pulling their own kids out of the school; and (2)
> arresting civilian parents who tried to do the same thing.

> No wonder the death toll was so high; the shooter got 45 minutes to kill
> whomever he wanted.

Sad times we live in....

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 by: Family Guy - Sun, 5 Jun 2022 21:05 UTC

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:35:17 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> George J. Dance wrote:
>
> >
>
> > It was a "war zone" in only one classroom. In the rest of the school,
> > the police just hung around waiting for the SWAT team, contenting
> > themselves with (1) pulling their own kids out of the school; and (2)
> > arresting civilian parents who tried to do the same thing.
>
> > No wonder the death toll was so high; the shooter got 45 minutes to kill
> > whomever he wanted.
>
> Sad times we live in....

Well, you're still around, so, yea...

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 by: General Zod - Sun, 5 Jun 2022 21:09 UTC

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 2:00:51 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 12:48:42 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
>

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx troll snip xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Project much, Alex?
>
> 🙂

When does he not...?

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Sun, 5 Jun 2022 21:19 UTC

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 5:09:03 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 2:00:51 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 12:48:42 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> >
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx troll snip xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Project much, Alex?
>
> When does he not...?

And I'm here whiling away, awaiting my respite, watching wastes of Life and listening to an Amber Alert and wondering when will this all finally end...

"I wake up and put my gun on
Think about my loved ones
Wonder how it got like this
I should be writing love songs
Should be having children
Instead I'm writing letters to the victims kids and they say
'I'm sorry for your loss but I too am a dead man
And you can try to kill me it wont do a damn thing
I'll live forever through these words, they keep on dancing' "
"Black Swan" ~~KING 810

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 by: Zod - Sun, 5 Jun 2022 21:24 UTC

Ash Wurthing wrote:

>

> And I'm here whiling away, awaiting my respite, watching wastes of Life and listening to an Amber Alert and wondering when will this all finally end...

> "I wake up and put my gun on
> Think about my loved ones
> Wonder how it got like this
> I should be writing love songs
> Should be having children
> Instead I'm writing letters to the victims kids and they say
> 'I'm sorry for your loss but I too am a dead man
> And you can try to kill me it wont do a damn thing
> I'll live forever through these words, they keep on dancing' "
> "Black Swan" ~~KING 810

On this we can agree....

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 by: Family Guy - Sun, 5 Jun 2022 21:43 UTC

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 5:09:03 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 2:00:51 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 12:48:42 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> >
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx troll snip xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Project much, Alex?
> >
> > 🙂
>
> When does he not...?

All the time, since I never do.
You and your Master can go float down the river face-dwon.

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 by: W-Dockery - Sun, 5 Jun 2022 23:04 UTC

Family Guy wrote:

> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 5:09:03 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 2:00:51 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 12:48:42 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
>> >
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx troll snip xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> > Project much, Alex?
>> >
>> > 🙂
>>
>> When does he not...?

> All the time

Nobody expected you to admit it.

🙂

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Sun, 5 Jun 2022 23:15 UTC

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 5:25:15 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> >
>
> > And I'm here whiling away, awaiting my respite, watching wastes of Life and listening to an Amber Alert and wondering when will this all finally end...
>
> > "I wake up and put my gun on
> > Think about my loved ones
> > Wonder how it got like this
> > I should be writing love songs
> > Should be having children
> > Instead I'm writing letters to the victims kids and they say
> > 'I'm sorry for your loss but I too am a dead man
> > And you can try to kill me it wont do a damn thing
> > I'll live forever through these words, they keep on dancing' "
> > "Black Swan" ~~KING 810
> On this we can agree....

So you figured the message ultimately was the last line, everything else a build up to it? Why do you write? Just for attention? Just to pass your time, just like watching TV? Just to make money or for fame? To prove you're someone? Or to say something worthwhile for others to appreciate? If your work is important to you, don't you think the same applies to others as well? If you want respect for your work, you must earn it but not disrespecting others' work. The one thing I'm told about the way you two come across, is that you're selfish.

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 by: Family Guy - Mon, 6 Jun 2022 00:14 UTC

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 7:05:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Family Guy wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 5:09:03 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 2:00:51 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 12:48:42 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> >> >
> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx troll snip xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >
> >> > Project much, Alex?
> >> >
> >> > 🙂
> >>
> >> When does he not...?
>
> > All the time
> Nobody expected you to admit it.
>
>
Nobody expected you to admit to being a post-editing troll.

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 by: Will Dockery - Mon, 6 Jun 2022 02:06 UTC

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 8:14:34 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 7:05:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Family Guy wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 5:09:03 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 2:00:51 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 12:48:42 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx troll snip xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >
> > >> > Project much, Alex?
> > >> >
> > >> > 🙂
> > >>
> > >> When does he not...?
> >
> > > All the time
> > Nobody expected you to admit it.
> >
> >
> Nobody expected you to admit

I told you that first.

🙂

to being a post-editing troll.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Mon, 6 Jun 2022 02:17 UTC

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 10:06:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 8:14:34 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 7:05:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Family Guy wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 5:09:03 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 2:00:51 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 12:48:42 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx troll snip xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Project much, Alex?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 🙂
> > > >>
> > > >> When does he not...?
> > >
> > > > All the time
> > > Nobody expected you to admit it.
> > >
> > >
> > Nobody expected you to admit
> I told you that first.

Well, Goo Gah!

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