On 8/14/2022 9:22 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
>> On 8/13/2022 4:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>> On 8/13/2022 3:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/13/2022 11:57 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2022 1:51 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 12 August 2022 at 21:56:40 UTC-4, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An essay in which a real historic famine from the 1850s is compared to
>>>>>>>>>>> the proposals of Greta Thunberg.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.takimag.com/article/the-valley-of-greta/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Rhino
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A good article that bears reposting:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In April 1856, a young girl from the Xhosa tribe named Nongqawuse walked
>>>>>>>>> with a friend to the banks of the Gxarha River, near the Indian Ocean. This
>>>>>>>>> was in an area that is now the Eastern Cape of South Africa. The two girls
>>>>>>>>> met two men who claimed to be ancestor spirits bringing a message from
>>>>>>>>> their ancestors: The Xhosa dead will rise up and lead the people into an
>>>>>>>>> era of freedom and prosperity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In order for this to happen, the strangers explained, the Xhosa people
>>>>>>>>> would have to abandon all of their old ways. They specifically said that
>>>>>>>>> witchcraft, sorcery, and sexual promiscuity had to be ended. The Xhosa
>>>>>>>>> people were to dedicate their time to building new pens for cattle and new
>>>>>>>>> fields for the new crops that would suddenly spring forth with the arrival
>>>>>>>>> of their spirit ancestors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There was one catch to this. The Xhosa were a people who depended primarily
>>>>>>>>> on cattle and the growing of crops to feed their cattle. The prophecy
>>>>>>>>> passed to Nongqawuse stipulated that the new era of prosperity would only
>>>>>>>>> come when the Xhosa killed all of their cattle and destroyed the means with
>>>>>>>>> which to raise them. This great leap of faith is what would usher in the
>>>>>>>>> triumph of their people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Incredibly, the Xhosa people, upon hearing this tale from Nongqawuse and
>>>>>>>>> her friend, embarked on a campaign of killing their cattle. Not everyone
>>>>>>>>> was convinced that this was the right thing to do, but many accepted the
>>>>>>>>> prophecy, mostly because important members of the tribe had said they
>>>>>>>>> accepted it. This validation from people in authority was enough to
>>>>>>>>> convince them the prophecy was real.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nongqawuse predicted that the prophecy would be fulfilled on Feb. 18, 1857,
>>>>>>>>> when the sun would turn red. This did not happen, so Chief Sarili went to
>>>>>>>>> the river to visit with the girls and came back convinced they got the date
>>>>>>>>> wrong. The prophecy would come true in eight days, so the people had better
>>>>>>>>> get cracking on the cattle killing in order to be ready for the great
>>>>>>>>> transition to the glorious future.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The result of this lunacy was that 80% of the population died from the
>>>>>>>>> subsequent famine caused by the cattle killing. It seems incredible to
>>>>>>>>> modern people that a population would try to commit suicide because a
>>>>>>>>> teenage girl claimed she saw the future, but we live in an age in which
>>>>>>>>> Greta Thunberg is treated like a prophet by the environmental movement. She
>>>>>>>>> is our Nongqawuse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The general consensus as to why this happened is that the Xhosa people were
>>>>>>>>> under a great deal of pressure from other tribes as well as the white man.
>>>>>>>>> The Boers and the British were a great technological challenge, but they
>>>>>>>>> also brought new disease, like the “lung sickness” that affected Xhosa
>>>>>>>>> cattle. For a primitive people, it surely must have seemed like they were
>>>>>>>>> cursed in some way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That was what made Nongqawuse possible. She gave the men in charge of her
>>>>>>>>> people something they desperately wanted to hear. Their status and
>>>>>>>>> authority were under pressure, as they had no answers for the challenges
>>>>>>>>> they faced. Nongqawuse provided a way to resolve those fears and anxieties.
>>>>>>>>> The prophecy gave the leaders purpose and the authority to compel their
>>>>>>>>> people to act on the prophecy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This provides some insight into what is going on with the political elites
>>>>>>>>> of the West and their embrace of the cult of climate change. Consider the
>>>>>>>>> flamboyant Secretary of Transportation for the Biden administration, Pete
>>>>>>>>> Buttigieg. He spends his days preaching about electric cars and how they
>>>>>>>>> will free us from the shackles of fossil fuels, even though he has no idea
>>>>>>>>> how this will work or if it can work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is not even clear that he believes in Gaia or that she is vexed at your
>>>>>>>>> lawnmower, but believing the climate-change prophecies solves a problem for
>>>>>>>>> him. When you are sure Gaia is angry at Western man for his racism and
>>>>>>>>> lawnmowers, but you are impotent to do anything about it, believing in the
>>>>>>>>> mysteries of electric cars is a nice escape. Instead of being a meaningless
>>>>>>>>> placeholder in government, Pete Buttigieg is a bringer of hope.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You get a whiff of this from European leaders when they talk about the
>>>>>>>>> looming natural-gas shortage this winter. They often talk about it as a
>>>>>>>>> necessary step in the transition to what they call renewable energy, a
>>>>>>>>> thing that does not exist. It is as if they are stimulated at the thought
>>>>>>>>> of people huddled in the dark, getting what heat they can from burning the
>>>>>>>>> last of their furniture.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The job of the green apparatchik in the E.U. is to persuade the people to
>>>>>>>>> overcome their fear of cold showers in winter. They imagine themselves one
>>>>>>>>> day on those Soviet-style posters, striking a heroic pose as they lead
>>>>>>>>> their people away from the land of smokestacks and warm houses to the
>>>>>>>>> glorious future. What lies ahead does not matter as the crusade gives the
>>>>>>>>> dreary functionaries a reason to live.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If the only result of this strange cult that has gripped so many of the
>>>>>>>>> ruling class resulted in nothing more than weird public statements, no one
>>>>>>>>> need care. The Xhosa example is a good reminder that when powerful people
>>>>>>>>> come to believe insane things, they will try to impose that insanity on
>>>>>>>>> their people. This is what we are seeing in the West as the greens try to
>>>>>>>>> roll back the last three centuries of technological progress.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Interestingly, the failure of the prophecies did not wake the Xhosa people
>>>>>>>>> up to the fraud that was being perpetrated on them by their leaders. When
>>>>>>>>> the dates came and went, the believers simply turned on the nonbelievers,
>>>>>>>>> blaming their lack of faith for the prophecies not being fulfilled. Again,
>>>>>>>>> this is something we see with the environmental movements in the West. Your
>>>>>>>>> lack of faith is the real problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The example of the Xhosa is something to keep in mind as we see the greens
>>>>>>>>> implement their agenda. The collapse of Sri Lanka due to the embrace of
>>>>>>>>> green agriculture, which destroyed the economy, does not register. The
>>>>>>>>> revolt of Dutch farmers over what is literally a cattle-killing scheme is
>>>>>>>>> not causing anyone in charge to reconsider their plans. For the zealots,
>>>>>>>>> none of this matters.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is what happens when fanatics are put in charge. They have no internal
>>>>>>>>> mechanism to reconsider their fanaticism, so they go as far as reality will
>>>>>>>>> let them and then they are destroyed. When the fanatics are put in charge
>>>>>>>>> of a society, they take that society with them into the abyss of their
>>>>>>>>> fanaticism. The suffering we see coming from green policies is, to the
>>>>>>>>> believers, proof that the policies are working.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One final lesson from the Xhosa is that after the death of 80% of their
>>>>>>>>> people, the remainder did not turn on the remaining believers. In fact, the
>>>>>>>>> location of the prophecy is still called the Valley of Nongqawuse. The
>>>>>>>>> skeptics were called "the stingy ones" for their unwillingness to sacrifice
>>>>>>>>> their cattle to the cause. It is not hard to imagine something similar in
>>>>>>>>> the ruins of the West. Those who warned about the dangers will be
>>>>>>>>> remembered as the deniers by the people in the Valley of Saint Greta of
>>>>>>>>> Thunberg.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We probably shouldn't infer too much from the author's reference to
>>>>>>>> Buttigieg, a gay, as "flamboyant" and "she", should we?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The author never referred to Buttygeg as she. He used 'he' and 'him' to
>>>>>>> refer to Buttygeg. Gaia was the antecedent to his use of 'she' in that
>>>>>>> paragraph.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, yes. Then I'll wonder only if 'flamboyant' is gratuitous
>>>>>> phobe-speak
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, any criticism or mocking or disagreement with a gay means that person
>>>>> is terrified of gays.
>>>>
>>>> Hint: 'phobic' no longer means standing on a chair and shrieking...
>>>
>>> Hint: It still means fear. Or has the left redefined the language again to
>>> suit the Agenda?
>>
>> They may have. Let's compare this to uber genius Marjorie Taylor Greene
>> redefining electrical power:
>>
>> No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen
>> @NoLieWithBTC
>>
>> Marjorie Taylor Greene just said she opposes solar panels because she
>> thinks they would cause the lights to turn off at night.
>
> Well, that's what happens in deep blue CalifornIa, Hutt. The Democrats have
> shut down all our reliable forms of electricity generation

On 8/14/2022 8:57 AM, moviePig wrote:
> On 8/14/2022 12:09 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/13/2022 10:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 8/13/2022 5:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/13/2022 3:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2022 11:57 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2022 1:51 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 12 August 2022 at 21:56:40 UTC-4, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An essay in which a real historic famine from the 1850s is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compared to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the proposals of Greta Thunberg.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.takimag.com/article/the-valley-of-greta/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhino
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A good article that bears reposting:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In April 1856, a young girl from the Xhosa tribe named
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nongqawuse walked
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a friend to the banks of the Gxarha River, near the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indian Ocean. This
>>>>>>>>>>>> was in an area that is now the Eastern Cape of South Africa.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The two girls
>>>>>>>>>>>> met two men who claimed to be ancestor spirits bringing a
>>>>>>>>>>>> message from
>>>>>>>>>>>> their ancestors: The Xhosa dead will rise up and lead the
>>>>>>>>>>>> people into an
>>>>>>>>>>>> era of freedom and prosperity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In order for this to happen, the strangers explained, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Xhosa people
>>>>>>>>>>>> would have to abandon all of their old ways. They
>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically said that
>>>>>>>>>>>> witchcraft, sorcery, and sexual promiscuity had to be ended.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Xhosa
>>>>>>>>>>>> people were to dedicate their time to building new pens for
>>>>>>>>>>>> cattle and new
>>>>>>>>>>>> fields for the new crops that would suddenly spring forth
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the arrival
>>>>>>>>>>>> of their spirit ancestors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There was one catch to this. The Xhosa were a people who
>>>>>>>>>>>> depended primarily
>>>>>>>>>>>> on cattle and the growing of crops to feed their cattle. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> prophecy
>>>>>>>>>>>> passed to Nongqawuse stipulated that the new era of
>>>>>>>>>>>> prosperity would only
>>>>>>>>>>>> come when the Xhosa killed all of their cattle and destroyed
>>>>>>>>>>>> the means with
>>>>>>>>>>>> which to raise them. This great leap of faith is what would
>>>>>>>>>>>> usher in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> triumph of their people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Incredibly, the Xhosa people, upon hearing this tale from
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nongqawuse and
>>>>>>>>>>>> her friend, embarked on a campaign of killing their cattle.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> was convinced that this was the right thing to do, but many
>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted the
>>>>>>>>>>>> prophecy, mostly because important members of the tribe had
>>>>>>>>>>>> said they
>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted it. This validation from people in authority was
>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to
>>>>>>>>>>>> convince them the prophecy was real.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nongqawuse predicted that the prophecy would be fulfilled on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Feb. 18, 1857,
>>>>>>>>>>>> when the sun would turn red. This did not happen, so Chief
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarili went to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the river to visit with the girls and came back convinced
>>>>>>>>>>>> they got the date
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong. The prophecy would come true in eight days, so the
>>>>>>>>>>>> people had better
>>>>>>>>>>>> get cracking on the cattle killing in order to be ready for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the great
>>>>>>>>>>>> transition to the glorious future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The result of this lunacy was that 80% of the population
>>>>>>>>>>>> died from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> subsequent famine caused by the cattle killing. It seems
>>>>>>>>>>>> incredible to
>>>>>>>>>>>> modern people that a population would try to commit suicide
>>>>>>>>>>>> because a
>>>>>>>>>>>> teenage girl claimed she saw the future, but we live in an
>>>>>>>>>>>> age in which
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greta Thunberg is treated like a prophet by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> environmental movement. She
>>>>>>>>>>>> is our Nongqawuse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The general consensus as to why this happened is that the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Xhosa people were
>>>>>>>>>>>> under a great deal of pressure from other tribes as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>> the white man.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Boers and the British were a great technological
>>>>>>>>>>>> challenge, but they
>>>>>>>>>>>> also brought new disease, like the “lung sickness” that
>>>>>>>>>>>> affected Xhosa
>>>>>>>>>>>> cattle. For a primitive people, it surely must have seemed
>>>>>>>>>>>> like they were
>>>>>>>>>>>> cursed in some way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That was what made Nongqawuse possible. She gave the men in
>>>>>>>>>>>> charge of her
>>>>>>>>>>>> people something they desperately wanted to hear. Their
>>>>>>>>>>>> status and
>>>>>>>>>>>> authority were under pressure, as they had no answers for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the challenges
>>>>>>>>>>>> they faced. Nongqawuse provided a way to resolve those fears
>>>>>>>>>>>> and anxieties.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The prophecy gave the leaders purpose and the authority to
>>>>>>>>>>>> compel their
>>>>>>>>>>>> people to act on the prophecy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This provides some insight into what is going on with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> political elites
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the West and their embrace of the cult of climate change.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Consider the
>>>>>>>>>>>> flamboyant Secretary of Transportation for the Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>> administration, Pete
>>>>>>>>>>>> Buttigieg. He spends his days preaching about electric cars
>>>>>>>>>>>> and how they
>>>>>>>>>>>> will free us from the shackles of fossil fuels, even though
>>>>>>>>>>>> he has no idea
>>>>>>>>>>>> how this will work or if it can work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not even clear that he believes in Gaia or that she is
>>>>>>>>>>>> vexed at your
>>>>>>>>>>>> lawnmower, but believing the climate-change prophecies
>>>>>>>>>>>> solves a problem for
>>>>>>>>>>>> him. When you are sure Gaia is angry at Western man for his
>>>>>>>>>>>> racism and
>>>>>>>>>>>> lawnmowers, but you are impotent to do anything about it,
>>>>>>>>>>>> believing in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mysteries of electric cars is a nice escape. Instead of
>>>>>>>>>>>> being a meaningless
>>>>>>>>>>>> placeholder in government, Pete Buttigieg is a bringer of hope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You get a whiff of this from European leaders when they talk
>>>>>>>>>>>> about the
>>>>>>>>>>>> looming natural-gas shortage this winter. They often talk
>>>>>>>>>>>> about it as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary step in the transition to what they call renewable
>>>>>>>>>>>> energy, a
>>>>>>>>>>>> thing that does not exist. It is as if they are stimulated
>>>>>>>>>>>> at the thought
>>>>>>>>>>>> of people huddled in the dark, getting what heat they can
>>>>>>>>>>>> from burning the
>>>>>>>>>>>> last of their furniture.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The job of the green apparatchik in the E.U. is to persuade
>>>>>>>>>>>> the people to
>>>>>>>>>>>> overcome their fear of cold showers in winter. They imagine
>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves one
>>>>>>>>>>>> day on those Soviet-style posters, striking a heroic pose as
>>>>>>>>>>>> they lead
>>>>>>>>>>>> their people away from the land of smokestacks and warm
>>>>>>>>>>>> houses to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> glorious future. What lies ahead does not matter as the
>>>>>>>>>>>> crusade gives the
>>>>>>>>>>>> dreary functionaries a reason to live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If the only result of this strange cult that has gripped so
>>>>>>>>>>>> many of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> ruling class resulted in nothing more than weird public
>>>>>>>>>>>> statements, no one
>>>>>>>>>>>> need care. The Xhosa example is a good reminder that when
>>>>>>>>>>>> powerful people
>>>>>>>>>>>> come to believe insane things, they will try to impose that
>>>>>>>>>>>> insanity on
>>>>>>>>>>>> their people. This is what we are seeing in the West as the
>>>>>>>>>>>> greens try to
>>>>>>>>>>>> roll back the last three centuries of technological progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interestingly, the failure of the prophecies did not wake
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Xhosa people
>>>>>>>>>>>> up to the fraud that was being perpetrated on them by their
>>>>>>>>>>>> leaders. When
>>>>>>>>>>>> the dates came and went, the believers simply turned on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> nonbelievers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming their lack of faith for the prophecies not being
>>>>>>>>>>>> fulfilled. Again,
>>>>>>>>>>>> this is something we see with the environmental movements in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the West. Your
>>>>>>>>>>>> lack of faith is the real problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The example of the Xhosa is something to keep in mind as we
>>>>>>>>>>>> see the greens
>>>>>>>>>>>> implement their agenda. The collapse of Sri Lanka due to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> embrace of
>>>>>>>>>>>> green agriculture, which destroyed the economy, does not
>>>>>>>>>>>> register. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> revolt of Dutch farmers over what is literally a
>>>>>>>>>>>> cattle-killing scheme is
>>>>>>>>>>>> not causing anyone in charge to reconsider their plans. For
>>>>>>>>>>>> the zealots,
>>>>>>>>>>>> none of this matters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what happens when fanatics are put in charge. They
>>>>>>>>>>>> have no internal
>>>>>>>>>>>> mechanism to reconsider their fanaticism, so they go as far
>>>>>>>>>>>> as reality will
>>>>>>>>>>>> let them and then they are destroyed. When the fanatics are
>>>>>>>>>>>> put in charge
>>>>>>>>>>>> of a society, they take that society with them into the
>>>>>>>>>>>> abyss of their
>>>>>>>>>>>> fanaticism. The suffering we see coming from green policies
>>>>>>>>>>>> is, to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> believers, proof that the policies are working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One final lesson from the Xhosa is that after the death of
>>>>>>>>>>>> 80% of their
>>>>>>>>>>>> people, the remainder did not turn on the remaining
>>>>>>>>>>>> believers. In fact, the
>>>>>>>>>>>> location of the prophecy is still called the Valley of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nongqawuse. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> skeptics were called "the stingy ones" for their
>>>>>>>>>>>> unwillingness to sacrifice
>>>>>>>>>>>> their cattle to the cause. It is not hard to imagine
>>>>>>>>>>>> something similar in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the ruins of the West. Those who warned about the dangers
>>>>>>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>>>>>>>> remembered as the deniers by the people in the Valley of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Saint Greta of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunberg.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We probably shouldn't infer too much from the author's
>>>>>>>>>>> reference to
>>>>>>>>>>> Buttigieg, a gay, as "flamboyant" and "she", should we?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The author never referred to Buttygeg as she. He used 'he' and
>>>>>>>>>> 'him' to
>>>>>>>>>> refer to Buttygeg. Gaia was the antecedent to his use of 'she'
>>>>>>>>>> in that
>>>>>>>>>> paragraph.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah, yes. Then I'll wonder only if 'flamboyant' is gratuitous
>>>>>>>>> phobe-speak
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, any criticism or mocking or disagreement with a gay means
>>>>>>>> that person
>>>>>>>> is terrified of gays.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hint: 'phobic' no longer means standing on a chair and shrieking...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hint: It still means fear. Or has the left redefined the language
>>>>>> again to
>>>>>> suit the Agenda?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure (and don't care) who "redefined" it, but you may have
>>>>> noticed that, e.g., 'homophobic' is now applied mainly to those who
>>>>> exhibit hostility to gays per se.
>>>>
>>>> I've noticed people pretending that's what it means for advantage, yes.
>>>
>>> And when it reaches dictionary status, are they no longer "pretending"?
>>
>> Perhaps before the dictionary companies became woke and started changing
>> definitions to fit the Agenda, but no longer.
>>
>>>>> The rationale, afaik, is that the *underlying* (i.e., "hidden")
>>>>> emotion is fear.
>>>>
>>>> Which is bullshit if applied as a universal truth in all cases. And how
>>>> would some random person have any idea what some other random person's
>>>> hidden underlying emotions are, anyway?
>>>
>>> Argue with the shrinks.
>>
>> No need to. Common sense does all the work here.
>
> "Common sense" is notoriously lazy as well as unkind to exceptions.
>
>
>>> However, in this instance, their stance is
>>> plausible insofar as there seems to be no *material* reason for hatred
>>> of gays except their being perceived as some sort of threat...
>>
>> And there's even more linguistic bullshit. Using the word flamboyant does
>> not equate to 'hatred' on the part of the author.
>>
>>>>>>> If you've got a more likely rationale for his use of 'flamboyant'
>>>>>>> here,
>>>>>>> I'll gladly entertain it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I already indicated that whatever his reason for using that word,
>>>>>> it's not
>>>>>> because he's afraid of Buttygeg.
>>>>>
>>>>> With no idea of what his reason is, you're certain of what it's not?
>>>>
>>>> At least as certain as anyone using the word 'homophobia' in this
>>>> context
>>>> is that it is.
>>>
>>> Well, as I said, let's have *your* rationale about Pete's "flamboyance".
>>
>> I don't need a rationale in order to determine that the use of the word
>> flamboyant is not evidence that the author hates or fears Buttygeg.
>
> I'm suggesting that, in this context, 'flamboyant' is a clear shout-out
> to homophobic readers.

On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 20:57:58 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>On 2022-08-13 7:23 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>> moviePig
>>>
>>> What I won't be doing is shooting her because I don't like her message.
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/tCQ3w9Nz/Saint-Greta-of-Thunberg.jpg
>>
>> And the Disney adaption.
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/L8vjJLKy/1656136529183.jpg
>
>Wouldn't the Disney version have her played by a black boy who has
>transitioned to being a girl, preferably with a disability and a
>heritage from a third world country? You can't do intersectionality
>halfway, you've got to go whole hog!

If the girl is Xhosa hasn't that by definition checked most of those
boxes? (All but the transgender if you ask me and isn't that a 19th
century story?)

On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 02:38:23 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> moviePig
>>>
>>> What I won't be doing is shooting her because I don't like her message.
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/tCQ3w9Nz/Saint-Greta-of-Thunberg.jpg
>>
>> And the Disney adaption.
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/L8vjJLKy/1656136529183.jpg
>
>LOL! Yes, according to Hollywood law, any movie made about Saint Greta
>would require she be race-changed.

But isn't that misappropriation? Surely she MUST be a Swede or at
least Scandanavian?

On 2022-08-14 12:06 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 20:57:58 -0400, Rhino
> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-08-13 7:23 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>>>> moviePig
>>>>
>>>> What I won't be doing is shooting her because I don't like her message.
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/tCQ3w9Nz/Saint-Greta-of-Thunberg.jpg
>>>
>>> And the Disney adaption.
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/L8vjJLKy/1656136529183.jpg
>>
>> Wouldn't the Disney version have her played by a black boy who has
>> transitioned to being a girl, preferably with a disability and a
>> heritage from a third world country? You can't do intersectionality
>> halfway, you've got to go whole hog!
>
> If the girl is Xhosa hasn't that by definition checked most of those
> boxes? (All but the transgender if you ask me and isn't that a 19th
> century story?)

I doubt the average Xhosa girl is disabled. ;-)

I recently found and watched the recent movie What Is a Woman? At one
point in that movie, the presenter went to Africa and explained the idea
of transgenderism to the one guy who spoke English and he in turn
explained it to the other blacks, who I assume were his fellow
tribesmen. They were incredulous at this notion and laughed openly at
the whole concept.

I'd love to have some "woke" type explain that scene to me. Would they
dare to disparage blacks, authentic people from the third world, who are
often deemed to have great wisdom as a result? On what grounds would
they disparage them? I'm guessing they'd dismiss the remarks because
they were made by males so that it was the "patriarchy" dismissing
transgenderism, even if it was a black patriarchy....

--
Rhino

On 2022-08-14 13:57:19 +0000, moviePig said:
>
> "Common sense" is notoriously lazy as well as unkind to exceptions.

Common Sense is so rare it's virtually non-existant these days. :-(

Plus, people seem to want to blame everyone else for their problems and
yet then complain when the someone else tries to help them.
"Wah! The government didn't do anything to stop me getting Covid."
"Wah! The government told me I have to wear a mask."