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* Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
+* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
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| |`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
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| |  |`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaSteven Bornfeld
| |  | `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
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| |  `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
| |   `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
| |    `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
| |     `- Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
| `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|  `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
|   `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
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|    |`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
|    | `- Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
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|    | `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|    |  `- Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
|    `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
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|     |`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
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|     `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
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|      |  `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaMatt Faunce
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|      |`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
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|       `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
|        `- Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaSteven Bornfeld
 `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
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Re: Giuliani's La Rosa

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From: wibbleyp...@gmail.com (Paul Carmichael)
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 by: Paul Carmichael - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 05:55 UTC

El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:01:21 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:

> On 10/26/2021 10:54 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 10/26/2021 3:04 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>
>>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player,
>>>>> so you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had
>>>> with it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report
>>>> back with what you think of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>>> recently updated.
>>>
>>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>>> (transpositions).
>>>
>>> I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
>>> string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to
>>> produce the tab.
>>
>>
>> OK, I'll try again, when I get the chance.
>
>
> I just did. It took about fifteen minutes to do the first measure, and
> that was made more complicated by its accidental.
>
> I worked on the first chord in the second measure, couldn't get it right
> and so I then gave up.
>
> This is much too difficult.

I really don't know what route you're taking but I found it very easy (if
not intuitive). And the tab can be tweaked VERY easily afterwards.

Send me a sample of what you tried it with and I'll see if I can help.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Ken Blake - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 15:04 UTC

On 10/26/2021 6:54 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> On 10/26/2021 6:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sorry, I should mentioned that it's Indian rosewood, not Brazilian.
>>
>
> Not that I travel with my guitar,

I never do.

> but I have no idea what kind of
> documentation you need these days not to run afoul of CITES regulations.
> There may be a few makers that have stock of Brazilian, but I assume
> it's pretty much history for guitar making--and I don't even know if
> Indian rosewood is safe to transport without papers.

It's hard to imagine an official caring about or even knowing what wood
a guitar is made from.

> The guitar I play most is a 1960s Martin 00-16,

Not exactly a classical guitar.

I still have my Martin D-35 (around 1978), my main guitar until I
started with classical guitar. I almost never even take it out of the
case these days.

> so I'm not exactly
> playing a concert instrument either. Maybe I'll sploige someday.
>

--
Ken

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 by: Ken Blake - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 15:14 UTC

On 10/26/2021 10:55 PM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:01:21 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
>> On 10/26/2021 10:54 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2021 3:04 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player,
>>>>>> so you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had
>>>>> with it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report
>>>>> back with what you think of it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>>>> recently updated.
>>>>
>>>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>>>> (transpositions).
>>>>
>>>> I'll have a go for a laugh. I presume there must be a way of adding
>>>> string numbers and fingerings for sheet music so it knows how to
>>>> produce the tab.
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, I'll try again, when I get the chance.
>>
>>
>> I just did. It took about fifteen minutes to do the first measure, and
>> that was made more complicated by its accidental.
>>
>> I worked on the first chord in the second measure, couldn't get it right
>> and so I then gave up.
>>
>> This is much too difficult.
>
>
> I really don't know what route you're taking but I found it very easy (if
> not intuitive). And the tab can be tweaked VERY easily afterwards.
>
> Send me a sample of what you tried it with and I'll see if I can help.

Thanks very much. I didn't save what I did, but I'll try to do it again
later and send it to you.

--
Ken

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 by: Steven Bornfeld - Wed, 27 Oct 2021 15:55 UTC

On 10/27/2021 11:04 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/26/2021 6:54 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>> On 10/26/2021 6:11 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, I should mentioned that it's Indian rosewood, not Brazilian.
>>>
>>
>> Not that I travel with my guitar,
>
>
> I never do.
>
>
>> but I have no idea what kind of
>> documentation you need these days not to run afoul of CITES regulations.
>> There may be a few makers that have stock of Brazilian, but I assume
>> it's pretty much history for guitar making--and I don't even know if
>> Indian rosewood is safe to transport without papers.
>
>
> It's hard to imagine an official caring about or even knowing what wood
> a guitar is made from.
>
>
>> The guitar I play most is a 1960s Martin 00-16,
>
>
> Not exactly a classical guitar.

I misspoke--it's a 0016C. Still not really a classical.
>
> I still have my Martin D-35 (around 1978), my main guitar until I
> started with classical guitar. I almost never even take it out of the
> case these days.
>
>
>
>> so I'm not exactly
>> playing a concert instrument either.  Maybe I'll sploige someday.
>>
>
>

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Thu, 28 Oct 2021 11:22 UTC

El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:59:13 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:

> PS: Going to a music shop in Málaga tomorrow. I want to see what a
> proper guitar feels and plays like. My Takamine 300€ jobby sounds awful
> and I don't think it's just my playing. Plucking the g string sounds
> like wacking a wall with a shoe.
>
> I've heard it said that the magic number for a student like me is 1000€.
> Anything below that will be a toy and anything above will be decoration.
> I keep seeing guitars advertised for much more.
>
> I'll let you know how I get on.

Went to the shop. It's a typical town centre music shop selling a vast
range of low-end everything.

The assistant bloke wasn't interested in even talking to me.

Back to square one.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Ken Blake - Thu, 28 Oct 2021 15:56 UTC

On 10/28/2021 4:22 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:59:13 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>
>> PS: Going to a music shop in Málaga tomorrow. I want to see what a
>> proper guitar feels and plays like. My Takamine 300€ jobby sounds awful
>> and I don't think it's just my playing. Plucking the g string sounds
>> like wacking a wall with a shoe.
>>
>> I've heard it said that the magic number for a student like me is 1000€.
>> Anything below that will be a toy and anything above will be decoration.
>> I keep seeing guitars advertised for much more.
>>
>> I'll let you know how I get on.
>
> Went to the shop. It's a typical town centre music shop selling a vast
> range of low-end everything.
>
> The assistant bloke wasn't interested in even talking to me.
>
> Back to square one.

I don't know anything about stores in Spain, but in my experience here
in the US, a music store is almost always a poor place to shop for a
classical guitar. Most of them have few to choose from and they are all
usually of low quality.

You need to go somewhere that specializes in classical guitars and
that's often a shop where they are built, not a store.

--
Ken

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:15 UTC

El Thu, 28 Oct 2021 08:56:05 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:

> I don't know anything about stores in Spain, but in my experience here
> in the US, a music store is almost always a poor place to shop for a
> classical guitar. Most of them have few to choose from and they are all
> usually of low quality.
>
> You need to go somewhere that specializes in classical guitars and
> that's often a shop where they are built, not a store.

Yes, I feel a trip to Granada coming on. There *has* to a place there.
And I did rather like using the trams when I was last there.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Ken Blake - Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:49 UTC

On 10/28/2021 9:15 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Thu, 28 Oct 2021 08:56:05 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
>> I don't know anything about stores in Spain, but in my experience here
>> in the US, a music store is almost always a poor place to shop for a
>> classical guitar. Most of them have few to choose from and they are all
>> usually of low quality.
>>
>> You need to go somewhere that specializes in classical guitars and
>> that's often a shop where they are built, not a store.
>
>
> Yes, I feel a trip to Granada coming on. There *has* to a place there.
> And I did rather like using the trams when I was last there.

I just did a google search on granada spain buy classical guitar. There
are apparently several choices there.

--
Ken

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 11:49 UTC

El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:

> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>
>
>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>
>>
>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>> with what you think of it.
>
>
> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
> recently updated.
>
> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
> (transpositions).
>

OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend
giving it a try?

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: JMF - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 17:21 UTC

On 10/29/2021 1:49 PM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>
>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>
>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>
>>>
>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>>> with what you think of it.
>>
>>
>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>> recently updated.
>>
>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>> (transpositions).
>>
>
>
> OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
> the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend
> giving it a try?

I'm happy to chime in here: I started using Musescore a few years ago
and I'm happy with it. It's continually getting better. I do agree that
in some ways it's not totally intuitive, and some guitar-oriented
functionality isn't ideal, but overall my judgement is totally positive.

A few things that help: it is essential to get hooked into the forum(s)
so that you can ask questions or look up questions that others have
asked. Usually that can be done right on the web, and there is also now
a Facebook Musescore group where you can ask questions.

That's important because every time I have needed to do something
unusual, I have found out by asking a question that it was indeed
possible -- but I never would have figured it out myself (that's the
non-intuitive aspect).

John

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 18:20 UTC

El Fri, 29 Oct 2021 19:21:55 +0200, JMF escribió:

> On 10/29/2021 1:49 PM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>>
>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>
>>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player,
>>>>> so you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had
>>>> with it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report
>>>> back with what you think of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>>> recently updated.
>>>
>>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>>> (transpositions).
>>>
>>>
>>
>> OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
>> the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you
>> recommend giving it a try?
>
> I'm happy to chime in here: I started using Musescore a few years ago
> and I'm happy with it. It's continually getting better. I do agree that
> in some ways it's not totally intuitive, and some guitar-oriented
> functionality isn't ideal, but overall my judgement is totally positive.
>
> A few things that help: it is essential to get hooked into the forum(s)
> so that you can ask questions or look up questions that others have
> asked. Usually that can be done right on the web, and there is also now
> a Facebook Musescore group where you can ask questions.
>
> That's important because every time I have needed to do something
> unusual, I have found out by asking a question that it was indeed
> possible -- but I never would have figured it out myself (that's the
> non-intuitive aspect).

So far I've had very quick responses (click this, put your left hand
behind your head, spit at the cat and shout "Aaaar" and as if by magic,
it works a treat). And I think "Why didn't I figure that out?"

I'm hoping they've taken some of this stuff on board in the latest
version.

It's a bit like The Gimp can do most of what Photoshop does, but nobody
knows how to achieve it without asking in forums.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 19:24 UTC

On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>
>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>
>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>
>>>
>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>>> with what you think of it.
>>
>>
>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>> recently updated.
>>
>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>> (transpositions).
>>
>
>
> OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
> the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend
> giving it a try?

No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
Sometimes my guesses work, sometimes they don't. I may be wrong but I
also think that trying to do a particular thing, the results are
inconsistent; sometimes what I try works, sometimes trying the same
thing fails to work.

And I still can't figure out how to do some things. If the music was
simpler, I might like it better, but it's next to useless for me for
what I want to do.

It might be a great program if it had a better interface--one that was
intuitively easy to use--and if it had good documentation. It doesn't.
If I had enough time to play with it and figure how to do everything, it
might be a different story, but I don't.

--
Ken

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 19:29 UTC

On 10/29/2021 10:21 AM, JMF wrote:
> On 10/29/2021 1:49 PM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>>
>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>
>>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>>>> with what you think of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>>> recently updated.
>>>
>>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>>> (transpositions).
>>>
>>
>>
>> OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
>> the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend
>> giving it a try?
>
> I'm happy to chime in here: I started using Musescore a few years ago
> and I'm happy with it. It's continually getting better. I do agree that
> in some ways it's not totally intuitive, and some guitar-oriented
> functionality isn't ideal, but overall my judgement is totally positive.
>
> A few things that help: it is essential to get hooked into the forum(s)
> so that you can ask questions or look up questions that others have
> asked. Usually that can be done right on the web, and there is also now
> a Facebook Musescore group where you can ask questions.
>
> That's important because every time I have needed to do something
> unusual, I have found out by asking a question that it was indeed
> possible --

Yes, I suspected that the forum might give me answers to many of my
questions, but I don't have the time or inclination to keep asking
questions. I want to use programs that don't take a lot of work to
understand.

And I should also mention that I got a lot of help from Paul in e-mail
messages, and I want to thank him for that again. But there's still too
much I don't know how to do.

> but I never would have figured it out myself (that's the
> non-intuitive aspect).

Yes! In my opinion, it's *terrible* in that regard, and that's why I'm
giving up on it.

--
Ken

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 19:32 UTC

On 10/29/2021 12:24 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>>
>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>
>>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>>>> with what you think of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>>> recently updated.
>>>
>>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>>> (transpositions).
>>>
>>
>>
>> OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
>> the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend
>> giving it a try?
>
>
>
> No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
> Sometimes my guesses work, sometimes they don't. I may be wrong but I
> also think that trying to do a particular thing, the results are
> inconsistent; sometimes what I try works, sometimes trying the same
> thing fails to work.
>
> And I still can't figure out how to do some things. If the music was
> simpler, I might like it better, but it's next to useless for me for
> what I want to do.
>
> It might be a great program if it had a better interface--one that was
> intuitively easy to use--and if it had good documentation. It doesn't.
> If I had enough time to play with it and figure how to do everything, it
> might be a different story, but I don't.

And most important, I'll mention that I now have a lot of it memorized
and the rest of it nearly memorized. Bad as I am at memorizing, if I
keep working at it, I won't need anything like MuseScore.

--
Ken

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Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
> On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>>
>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>
>>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>>>> with what you think of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>>> recently updated.
>>>
>>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>>> (transpositions).
>>>
>>
>>
>> OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
>> the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend
>> giving it a try?
>
>
>
> No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
>

There’s this guide.
https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/handbook/MuseScore-3.0/MuseScore-en.pdf

--
Matt

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El Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:29:33 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:

<musescore non-intuitive>

> Yes! In my opinion, it's *terrible* in that regard, and that's why I'm
> giving up on it.

I think we all know the answer.

It's the same as LibreOffice vs MS Office

The Gimp vs Photoshop

Musescore vs Sibelius

OmegaT vs SDL Trados.

etc.

If I need something professional, I buy it.

I pay for Office 365.

I pay for Photoshop.

I pay for SDL TRados.

I don't need to produce sheet music, so I use the freebie.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 08:11 UTC

El Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:24:56 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:

> If I had enough time to play with it and figure how to do everything, it
> might be a different story, but I don't.

There we have it. I've neglected my Latin and guitar to mess with this
program, but I enjoy that sort of stuff (background in IT), so I'm OK
with that.

Today I'm neglecting everything as it is my wedding anniversary.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 08:14 UTC

El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 01:32:29 +0000, Matt Faunce escribió:

> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>>>
>>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player,
>>>>>> so you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had
>>>>> with it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please
>>>>> report back with what you think of it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>>>> recently updated.
>>>>
>>>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>>>> (transpositions).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version
>>> of the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you
>>> recommend giving it a try?
>>
>>
>>
>> No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
>>
>>
> There’s this guide.
> https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/handbook/MuseScore-3.0/
MuseScore-en.pdf

That looks very comprehensive. I'm going to have a tour using the menus.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 08:37 UTC

El Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:29:33 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:

> And I should also mention that I got a lot of help from Paul in e-mail
> messages, and I want to thank him for that again.

My pleasure.

--
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https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: JMF - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 09:38 UTC

On 10/30/2021 10:08 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:29:33 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
> <musescore non-intuitive>
>
>
>> Yes! In my opinion, it's *terrible* in that regard, and that's why I'm
>> giving up on it.
>
>
> I think we all know the answer.
>
> It's the same as LibreOffice vs MS Office
>
> The Gimp vs Photoshop
>
> Musescore vs Sibelius
>
> OmegaT vs SDL Trados.
>
> etc.
>
> If I need something professional, I buy it.
>
> I pay for Office 365.
>
> I pay for Photoshop.
>
> I pay for SDL TRados.
>
> I don't need to produce sheet music, so I use the freebie.
>
Precisely.

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 14:09 UTC

El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 08:14:51 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:

> El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 01:32:29 +0000, Matt Faunce escribió:

<musescore manual>

>> There’s this guide.
>> https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/handbook/MuseScore-3.0/
> MuseScore-en.pdf
>
> That looks very comprehensive. I'm going to have a tour using the menus.

And the online hypertext version:

https://musescore.org/en/handbook

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 15:20 UTC

El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 14:09:38 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:

> El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 08:14:51 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>
>> El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 01:32:29 +0000, Matt Faunce escribió:
>
> <musescore manual>
>
>>> There’s this guide.
>>> https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/handbook/MuseScore-3.0/
>> MuseScore-en.pdf
>>
>> That looks very comprehensive. I'm going to have a tour using the
>> menus.
>
> And the online hypertext version:
>
> https://musescore.org/en/handbook

I see that much of it still refers to the wonderful new version 2.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 15:49 UTC

On 10/29/2021 6:32 PM, Matt Faunce wrote:
> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>>>
>>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>>>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>>>>> with what you think of it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>>>> recently updated.
>>>>
>>>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>>>> (transpositions).
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
>>> the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend
>>> giving it a try?
>>
>>
>>
>> No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
>>
>
> There’s this guide.
> https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/handbook/MuseScore-3.0/MuseScore-en.pdf

Thanks very much. I hadn't seen this before. No time now, but I'll at it
later, and perhaps try it again.

--
Ken

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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 16:01 UTC

On 10/30/2021 1:08 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:29:33 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
> <musescore non-intuitive>
>
>
>> Yes! In my opinion, it's *terrible* in that regard, and that's why I'm
>> giving up on it.
>
>
> I think we all know the answer.
>
> It's the same as LibreOffice

Never use it.

> vs MS Office

I use Excel, but only rarely. My word processor of choice is
WordPerfect, which I like *much* better than Word.

> The Gimp vs Photoshop

I never use either one. My photo editing need are slight and the
Microsoft Photo Gallery editor meets my needs and is easy to use.

> Musescore vs Sibelius

I had Sibelius installed, but I hadn't tried it. Is it good? Better than
MuseScore? I'll try to look at it this afternoon. It's $99, so it needs
to be very good for me to consider buying it.

> OmegaT vs SDL Trados.

I know nothing about either. I never us a translation tool.

> If I need something professional, I buy it.
>
> I pay for Office 365.
>
> I pay for Photoshop.
>
> I pay for SDL TRados.
>
> I don't need to produce sheet music, so I use the freebie.
>

--
Ken

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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 16:06 UTC

On 10/30/2021 1:11 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:24:56 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
>> If I had enough time to play with it and figure how to do everything, it
>> might be a different story, but I don't.
>
>
> There we have it. I've neglected my Latin and guitar to mess with this
> program,

I last studied Latin in High School, in 1953. I've neglected it ever
since then.

I never have enough time to practice the guitar as much as I want to>

> but I enjoy that sort of stuff (background in IT),

Mine too. I started programming professionally in 1962.

> so I'm OK
> with that.

Not me. Whether I might like to do it or not is irrelevant. There's not
enough time to do all the many things I plan to do each day.

> Today I'm neglecting everything as it is my wedding anniversary.

Congratulations! What number? My 62nd anniversary was this past June.

--
Ken

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