On Aug 18, 2022 at 7:39:07 AM PDT, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/us/hawaii-tourism-impact-united-shades-cec/index.html
>
> Sorry, no welfare without tourism.

"The tourism industry in Hawaii powers its state revenue,
but that reliance on tourism has resulted in Native Hawaiians
getting priced out of their homes, climate change wreaking
havoc on the natural landscape, and a lack of respect for
the 50th state that is also the ancestral land of more than
half a million people."

If 'climate change' is actually wreaking havoc on your island, buddy, you need
to look west, not east for the culprit. I know you activists love to dump all
your problems at the feet of the haoles on the mainland, but the U.S. has done
more to 'fight climate change' than any other country while the countries to
your left-- China and India-- are still opening dozens of coal-fired
generation plants every year.

As for 'lack of respect'? You're the only state that's allowed to have seats
in the state legislature and in local city governments reserved solely for
'native people'. How that's legal and constitutional under the 14th Amendment
is god's own private mystery. Can you imagine any other state getting away
with putting a racial qualification on a certain percentage of the seats in
its statehouse? "If you're white or hispanic you can't run for this seat. It's
reserved for black people." Any such law would be shit-canned in a heartbeat
by the courts. But in Hawaii, it's allowed for some reason.

You literally can get away with shit no one else in the nation can get away
with and you're still whining about a 'lack of respect'. Native, please...

Your only legitimate complaint is the out-pricing of real estate, but that's
something that happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. Home prices here in
California are worse than in Hawaii, as they are in several other places
around the nation. It's not a 'natives only' problem the way you make it out
to be.

"But what's profitable for Hawaii's economy can negatively
impact the lives of Native Hawaiians and yearlong residents.
To combat drought conditions, residents last year were asked
to reduce their water consumption or face a fine while large
resorts continued to use far more water."

Again, this happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. You don't think we in
California have to put up with politicians trying to force water rationing and
restrictions on us while big industry-- farming and tourism-- that line the
pockets of the legislators and the governor get a pass?

"The National Pearl Harbor Memorial is a stop on Kajihiro's
DeTours, where visitors discuss the United States' rampant
militarization of Hawaii in the 19th and 20th centuries."

Without which you'd almost certainly be speaking Chinese right now and living
under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, something all the nativist
independence movements never take into consideration. They seem to have some
pie-in-the-sky idea that they can force the U.S. out and then go back to
living like they did in 1700s and the rest of the world will leave them alone.
The reality is that as soon as the U.S. left, the Eye of Sauron in Beijing
would fix squarely upon them and within 20 years, they'd be like Taiwan at a
minimum, if not outright absorbed by China. And if they think the U.S. doesn't
respect their native culture or their values, wait till the Chinese boot
arrives. China will actively eradicate their culture because it would
represent a threat to CCP control.

On 2022-08-18 11:24 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Aug 18, 2022 at 7:39:07 AM PDT, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/us/hawaii-tourism-impact-united-shades-cec/index.html
>>
>> Sorry, no welfare without tourism.
>
> "The tourism industry in Hawaii powers its state revenue,
> but that reliance on tourism has resulted in Native Hawaiians
> getting priced out of their homes, climate change wreaking
> havoc on the natural landscape, and a lack of respect for
> the 50th state that is also the ancestral land of more than
> half a million people."
>
> If 'climate change' is actually wreaking havoc on your island, buddy, you need
> to look west, not east for the culprit. I know you activists love to dump all
> your problems at the feet of the haoles on the mainland, but the U.S. has done
> more to 'fight climate change' than any other country while the countries to
> your left-- China and India-- are still opening dozens of coal-fired
> generation plants every year.
>
> As for 'lack of respect'? You're the only state that's allowed to have seats
> in the state legislature and in local city governments reserved solely for
> 'native people'. How that's legal and constitutional under the 14th Amendment
> is god's own private mystery. Can you imagine any other state getting away
> with putting a racial qualification on a certain percentage of the seats in
> its statehouse? "If you're white or hispanic you can't run for this seat. It's
> reserved for black people." Any such law would be shit-canned in a heartbeat
> by the courts. But in Hawaii, it's allowed for some reason.
>
> You literally can get away with shit no one else in the nation can get away
> with and you're still whining about a 'lack of respect'. Native, please...

Meanwhile, the new Australian government is planning a native-only
consultative body that is massively pissing off moderate Australians.
>
> Your only legitimate complaint is the out-pricing of real estate, but that's
> something that happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. Home prices here in
> California are worse than in Hawaii, as they are in several other places
> around the nation. It's not a 'natives only' problem the way you make it out
> to be.
>
> "But what's profitable for Hawaii's economy can negatively
> impact the lives of Native Hawaiians and yearlong residents.
> To combat drought conditions, residents last year were asked
> to reduce their water consumption or face a fine while large
> resorts continued to use far more water."
>
> Again, this happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. You don't think we in
> California have to put up with politicians trying to force water rationing and
> restrictions on us while big industry-- farming and tourism-- that line the
> pockets of the legislators and the governor get a pass?
>
> "The National Pearl Harbor Memorial is a stop on Kajihiro's
> DeTours, where visitors discuss the United States' rampant
> militarization of Hawaii in the 19th and 20th centuries."
>
> Without which you'd almost certainly be speaking Chinese right now and living
> under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, something all the nativist
> independence movements never take into consideration. They seem to have some
> pie-in-the-sky idea that they can force the U.S. out and then go back to
> living like they did in 1700s and the rest of the world will leave them alone.
> The reality is that as soon as the U.S. left, the Eye of Sauron in Beijing
> would fix squarely upon them and within 20 years, they'd be like Taiwan at a
> minimum, if not outright absorbed by China. And if they think the U.S. doesn't
> respect their native culture or their values, wait till the Chinese boot
> arrives. China will actively eradicate their culture because it would
> represent a threat to CCP control.
>
>

--
Rhino

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 15:24:42 +0000, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>Without which you'd almost certainly be speaking Chinese right now and living
>under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, something all the nativist
>independence movements never take into consideration. They seem to have some
>pie-in-the-sky idea that they can force the U.S. out and then go back to
>living like they did in 1700s and the rest of the world will leave them alone.
>The reality is that as soon as the U.S. left, the Eye of Sauron in Beijing
>would fix squarely upon them and within 20 years, they'd be like Taiwan at a
>minimum, if not outright absorbed by China. And if they think the U.S. doesn't
>respect their native culture or their values, wait till the Chinese boot
>arrives. China will actively eradicate their culture because it would
>represent a threat to CCP control.
>
In other words like Panama eh?

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> On Aug 18, 2022 at 7:39:07 AM PDT, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/us/hawaii-tourism-impact-united-shades-cec/index.html
>>
>> Sorry, no welfare without tourism.
>
> "The tourism industry in Hawaii powers its state revenue,
> but that reliance on tourism has resulted in Native Hawaiians
> getting priced out of their homes, climate change wreaking
> havoc on the natural landscape, and a lack of respect for
> the 50th state that is also the ancestral land of more than
> half a million people."
>
> If 'climate change' is actually wreaking havoc on your island, buddy, you need
to look west, not east for the culprit. I know you activists love to dump
all
your problems at the feet of the haoles on the mainland, but the U.S. has
done
more to 'fight climate change' than any other country while the countries
to
your left-- China and India-- are still opening dozens of coal-fired
generation plants every year.
>
> As for 'lack of respect'? You're the only state that's allowed to have seats
in the state legislature and in local city governments reserved solely for
'native people'. How that's legal and constitutional under the 14th
Amendment
is god's own private mystery. Can you imagine any other state getting away
with putting a racial qualification on a certain percentage of the seats in
its statehouse? "If you're white or hispanic you can't run for this seat.
It's
reserved for black people." Any such law would be shit-canned in a
heartbeat
by the courts. But in Hawaii, it's allowed for some reason.
>
> You literally can get away with shit no one else in the nation can get away
with and you're still whining about a 'lack of respect'. Native, please...
>
> Your only legitimate complaint is the out-pricing of real estate, but that's
something that happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. Home prices here in
California are worse than in Hawaii, as they are in several other places
around the nation. It's not a 'natives only' problem the way you make it
out
to be.
>
> "But what's profitable for Hawaii's economy can negatively
> impact the lives of Native Hawaiians and yearlong residents.
> To combat drought conditions, residents last year were asked
> to reduce their water consumption or face a fine while large
> resorts continued to use far more water."
>
> Again, this happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. You don't think we in
California have to put up with politicians trying to force water rationing
and
restrictions on us while big industry-- farming and tourism-- that line the
pockets of the legislators and the governor get a pass?
>
> "The National Pearl Harbor Memorial is a stop on Kajihiro's
> DeTours, where visitors discuss the United States' rampant
> militarization of Hawaii in the 19th and 20th centuries."
>
> Without which you'd almost certainly be speaking Chinese right now and living
under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, something all the nativist
independence movements never take into consideration. They seem to have
some
pie-in-the-sky idea that they can force the U.S. out and then go back
to
living like they did in 1700s and the rest of the world will leave them
alone.
The reality is that as soon as the U.S. left, the Eye of Sauron in Beijing
would fix squarely upon them and within 20 years, they'd be like Taiwan at
a minimum, if not outright absorbed by China. And if they think the U.S.
doesn't
respect their native culture or their values, wait till the Chinese boot
arrives. China will actively eradicate their culture because it would
represent a threat to CCP control.
>

Lettuce also not forget that we bought them an interstate highway system
that doesn’t connect to any other states.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 12:09:43 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>Meanwhile, the new Australian government is planning a native-only
>consultative body that is massively pissing off moderate Australians.

In Canada I am regularly PO'd by talk of "reconciliation" that seems
to utterly ignore the fact that true reconciliation is two way and NOT
a matter of "OK we'll give you whatever you want .... plus 20% more"

And those "acknowledgements" are morphing into declarations that XYZ
(in this case the local museum in our area) are "<tribe 1> and <tribe
2> territory". Uh no - your people signed away those rights when they
took the white man's dollars.

During the worst of the pandemic I was terrified when the first
vaccines came out since I have a condition that makes me "clinically
extremely vulnerable" - yet aboriginal people - regardless of age and
regardless of whether they live "in the sticks" or in the big city
were moved to the front of the queue.

I defy anybody trying to convince me that an 18 year old native guy in
the prime of health (and youth) was ever as much 'at risk' than
somebody in their early 60s with a known condition. (If you want to
make that argument regarding folks my age I'll listen - but that
policy was across the board extending to the youngest and fittest
adults)

I feel extremely strongly about politicians who believe in playing
Russian Roulette with my life in the name of bogus "equity" and will
definitely be factoring that into my decision in my next trip to the
polls.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 12:09:43 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>> "The National Pearl Harbor Memorial is a stop on Kajihiro's
>> DeTours, where visitors discuss the United States' rampant
>> militarization of Hawaii in the 19th and 20th centuries."
>>
>> Without which you'd almost certainly be speaking Chinese right now and living
>> under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, something all the nativist
>> independence movements never take into consideration. They seem to have some
>> pie-in-the-sky idea that they can force the U.S. out and then go back to
>> living like they did in 1700s and the rest of the world will leave them alone.
>> The reality is that as soon as the U.S. left, the Eye of Sauron in Beijing
>> would fix squarely upon them and within 20 years, they'd be like Taiwan at a
>> minimum, if not outright absorbed by China. And if they think the U.S. doesn't
>> respect their native culture or their values, wait till the Chinese boot
>> arrives. China will actively eradicate their culture because it would
>> represent a threat to CCP control.
>>
>>
No question 50 years ago when we spend Christmas in Hawaii my late
grandfather was absolutely livid when he saw numberous Japanese tour
groups at Pearl Harbor but that was in a time (early 70s) when he had
spent the war under constant naval alerts as a west coast commercial
fisherman (he won an award from the British Ministry of Food for
devising a method of fish packing that for the first time made it
possible to ship BC salmon to Britain and have it arrive there in
edible condition which in wartime was significant) particularly given
the fact that any Japanese who was then 55+ (which was a lot of them)
was old enough to have served in the Japanese forces - or even having
taken part in the attack - so in his view it was obscene for them to
be visiting or even feel welcome at Pearl Harbor.

These days it's a non-issue since that generation (including him) are
now gone but no question I completely agreed with him on that last
part. Pearl Harbor wasn't just an enemy attack on the United States -
it was an attack in peace time and that's a horse of a different
color.

In article
<755562449.682535380.732418.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> Lettuce also not forget that we bought [Hawaii] an interstate highway system
> that doesn¹t connect to any other states.

That's the best kind!

On 8/18/2022 10:24 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Aug 18, 2022 at 7:39:07 AM PDT, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/us/hawaii-tourism-impact-united-shades-cec/index.html
>>
>> Sorry, no welfare without tourism.
>
> "The tourism industry in Hawaii powers its state revenue,
> but that reliance on tourism has resulted in Native Hawaiians
> getting priced out of their homes, climate change wreaking
> havoc on the natural landscape, and a lack of respect for
> the 50th state that is also the ancestral land of more than
> half a million people."
>
> If 'climate change' is actually wreaking havoc on your island, buddy, you need
> to look west, not east for the culprit. I know you activists love to dump all
> your problems at the feet of the haoles on the mainland, but the U.S. has done
> more to 'fight climate change' than any other country while the countries to
> your left-- China and India-- are still opening dozens of coal-fired
> generation plants every year.
>
> As for 'lack of respect'? You're the only state that's allowed to have seats
> in the state legislature and in local city governments reserved solely for
> 'native people'. How that's legal and constitutional under the 14th Amendment
> is god's own private mystery. Can you imagine any other state getting away
> with putting a racial qualification on a certain percentage of the seats in
> its statehouse? "If you're white or hispanic you can't run for this seat. It's
> reserved for black people." Any such law would be shit-canned in a heartbeat
> by the courts. But in Hawaii, it's allowed for some reason.
>
> You literally can get away with shit no one else in the nation can get away
> with and you're still whining about a 'lack of respect'. Native, please...
>
> Your only legitimate complaint is the out-pricing of real estate, but that's
> something that happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. Home prices here in
> California are worse than in Hawaii, as they are in several other places
> around the nation. It's not a 'natives only' problem the way you make it out
> to be.
>
> "But what's profitable for Hawaii's economy can negatively
> impact the lives of Native Hawaiians and yearlong residents.
> To combat drought conditions, residents last year were asked
> to reduce their water consumption or face a fine while large
> resorts continued to use far more water."
>
> Again, this happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. You don't think we in
> California have to put up with politicians trying to force water rationing and
> restrictions on us while big industry-- farming and tourism-- that line the
> pockets of the legislators and the governor get a pass?
>
> "The National Pearl Harbor Memorial is a stop on Kajihiro's
> DeTours, where visitors discuss the United States' rampant
> militarization of Hawaii in the 19th and 20th centuries."
>
> Without which you'd almost certainly be speaking Chinese right now and living
> under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, something all the nativist
> independence movements never take into consideration. They seem to have some
> pie-in-the-sky idea that they can force the U.S. out and then go back to
> living like they did in 1700s and the rest of the world will leave them alone.
> The reality is that as soon as the U.S. left, the Eye of Sauron in Beijing
> would fix squarely upon them and within 20 years, they'd be like Taiwan at a
> minimum, if not outright absorbed by China. And if they think the U.S. doesn't
> respect their native culture or their values, wait till the Chinese boot
> arrives. China will actively eradicate their culture because it would
> represent a threat to CCP control.

What does "CNN: Native Hawaiians" mean? I don't speak psychotic.

On 8/18/2022 6:56 PM, RichA wrote:
> On Thursday, 18 August 2022 at 17:11:03 UTC-4, gmsin...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On 8/18/2022 10:24 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On Aug 18, 2022 at 7:39:07 AM PDT, "RichA" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/us/hawaii-tourism-impact-united-shades-cec/index.html
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, no welfare without tourism.
>>>
>>> "The tourism industry in Hawaii powers its state revenue,
>>> but that reliance on tourism has resulted in Native Hawaiians
>>> getting priced out of their homes, climate change wreaking
>>> havoc on the natural landscape, and a lack of respect for
>>> the 50th state that is also the ancestral land of more than
>>> half a million people."
>>>
>>> If 'climate change' is actually wreaking havoc on your island, buddy, you need
>>> to look west, not east for the culprit. I know you activists love to dump all
>>> your problems at the feet of the haoles on the mainland, but the U.S. has done
>>> more to 'fight climate change' than any other country while the countries to
>>> your left-- China and India-- are still opening dozens of coal-fired
>>> generation plants every year.
>>>
>>> As for 'lack of respect'? You're the only state that's allowed to have seats
>>> in the state legislature and in local city governments reserved solely for
>>> 'native people'. How that's legal and constitutional under the 14th Amendment
>>> is god's own private mystery. Can you imagine any other state getting away
>>> with putting a racial qualification on a certain percentage of the seats in
>>> its statehouse? "If you're white or hispanic you can't run for this seat. It's
>>> reserved for black people." Any such law would be shit-canned in a heartbeat
>>> by the courts. But in Hawaii, it's allowed for some reason.
>>>
>>> You literally can get away with shit no one else in the nation can get away
>>> with and you're still whining about a 'lack of respect'. Native, please...
>>>
>>> Your only legitimate complaint is the out-pricing of real estate, but that's
>>> something that happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. Home prices here in
>>> California are worse than in Hawaii, as they are in several other places
>>> around the nation. It's not a 'natives only' problem the way you make it out
>>> to be.
>>>
>>> "But what's profitable for Hawaii's economy can negatively
>>> impact the lives of Native Hawaiians and yearlong residents.
>>> To combat drought conditions, residents last year were asked
>>> to reduce their water consumption or face a fine while large
>>> resorts continued to use far more water."
>>>
>>> Again, this happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. You don't think we in
>>> California have to put up with politicians trying to force water rationing and
>>> restrictions on us while big industry-- farming and tourism-- that line the
>>> pockets of the legislators and the governor get a pass?
>>>
>>> "The National Pearl Harbor Memorial is a stop on Kajihiro's
>>> DeTours, where visitors discuss the United States' rampant
>>> militarization of Hawaii in the 19th and 20th centuries."
>>>
>>> Without which you'd almost certainly be speaking Chinese right now and living
>>> under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, something all the nativist
>>> independence movements never take into consideration. They seem to have some
>>> pie-in-the-sky idea that they can force the U.S. out and then go back to
>>> living like they did in 1700s and the rest of the world will leave them alone.
>>> The reality is that as soon as the U.S. left, the Eye of Sauron in Beijing
>>> would fix squarely upon them and within 20 years, they'd be like Taiwan at a
>>> minimum, if not outright absorbed by China. And if they think the U.S. doesn't
>>> respect their native culture or their values, wait till the Chinese boot
>>> arrives. China will actively eradicate their culture because it would
>>> represent a threat to CCP control.
>> What does "CNN: Native Hawaiians" mean? I don't speak psychotic.
>
> The native Hawaiians are kind of like that tribe that lives on the island off the coast of India, but the Hawaiians don't eat people; any more.

So it's like a TV show, such as "CSI: Miami?" I couldn't stand it if my
mind had deteriorated they way yours has.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:56:09 -0400, A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:

>In article
><755562449.682535380.732418.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
>anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Lettuce also not forget that we bought [Hawaii] an interstate highway system
>> that doesn¹t connect to any other states.
>
>
>That's the best kind!

I'm pretty sure Alaska has one of those too!

On 2022-08-18 1:17 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 12:09:43 -0400, Rhino
> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
>> Meanwhile, the new Australian government is planning a native-only
>> consultative body that is massively pissing off moderate Australians.
>
> In Canada I am regularly PO'd by talk of "reconciliation" that seems
> to utterly ignore the fact that true reconciliation is two way and NOT
> a matter of "OK we'll give you whatever you want .... plus 20% more"
>
> And those "acknowledgements" are morphing into declarations that XYZ
> (in this case the local museum in our area) are "<tribe 1> and <tribe
> 2> territory". Uh no - your people signed away those rights when they
> took the white man's dollars.
>
> During the worst of the pandemic I was terrified when the first
> vaccines came out since I have a condition that makes me "clinically
> extremely vulnerable" - yet aboriginal people - regardless of age and
> regardless of whether they live "in the sticks" or in the big city
> were moved to the front of the queue.
>
> I defy anybody trying to convince me that an 18 year old native guy in
> the prime of health (and youth) was ever as much 'at risk' than
> somebody in their early 60s with a known condition. (If you want to
> make that argument regarding folks my age I'll listen - but that
> policy was across the board extending to the youngest and fittest
> adults)
>
> I feel extremely strongly about politicians who believe in playing
> Russian Roulette with my life in the name of bogus "equity" and will
> definitely be factoring that into my decision in my next trip to the
> polls.

The Liberals have built this DIE (Diversity, Inclusion, Equity) crap
into everything they do. Trudeau and the Liberals - and their NDP
fluffers - must be soundly defeated at the next election so that the
next government can start to dismantle this nonsense!

Mind you, I'm not convinced it WILL be dismantled even if a Conservative
government gets a majority and the leader is genuinely small "c"
conservative. A whole lot of the time, once a bad policy is enacted, it
is left in place even after a change of parties. It seems as if
established policy is sacrosanct, even when it is dead wrong.

--
Rhino

On 2022-08-18 1:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 18, 2022 at 7:39:07 AM PDT, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/us/hawaii-tourism-impact-united-shades-cec/index.html
>>>
>>> Sorry, no welfare without tourism.
>>
>> "The tourism industry in Hawaii powers its state revenue,
>> but that reliance on tourism has resulted in Native Hawaiians
>> getting priced out of their homes, climate change wreaking
>> havoc on the natural landscape, and a lack of respect for
>> the 50th state that is also the ancestral land of more than
>> half a million people."
>>
>> If 'climate change' is actually wreaking havoc on your island, buddy, you need
> to look west, not east for the culprit. I know you activists love to dump
> all
> your problems at the feet of the haoles on the mainland, but the U.S. has
> done
> more to 'fight climate change' than any other country while the countries
> to
> your left-- China and India-- are still opening dozens of coal-fired
> generation plants every year.
>>
>> As for 'lack of respect'? You're the only state that's allowed to have seats
> in the state legislature and in local city governments reserved solely for
> 'native people'. How that's legal and constitutional under the 14th
> Amendment
> is god's own private mystery. Can you imagine any other state getting away
> with putting a racial qualification on a certain percentage of the seats in
> its statehouse? "If you're white or hispanic you can't run for this seat.
> It's
> reserved for black people." Any such law would be shit-canned in a
> heartbeat
> by the courts. But in Hawaii, it's allowed for some reason.
>>
>> You literally can get away with shit no one else in the nation can get away
> with and you're still whining about a 'lack of respect'. Native, please...
>>
>> Your only legitimate complaint is the out-pricing of real estate, but that's
> something that happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. Home prices here in
> California are worse than in Hawaii, as they are in several other places
> around the nation. It's not a 'natives only' problem the way you make it
> out
> to be.
>>
>> "But what's profitable for Hawaii's economy can negatively
>> impact the lives of Native Hawaiians and yearlong residents.
>> To combat drought conditions, residents last year were asked
>> to reduce their water consumption or face a fine while large
>> resorts continued to use far more water."
>>
>> Again, this happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. You don't think we in
> California have to put up with politicians trying to force water rationing
> and
> restrictions on us while big industry-- farming and tourism-- that line the
> pockets of the legislators and the governor get a pass?
>>
>> "The National Pearl Harbor Memorial is a stop on Kajihiro's
>> DeTours, where visitors discuss the United States' rampant
>> militarization of Hawaii in the 19th and 20th centuries."
>>
>> Without which you'd almost certainly be speaking Chinese right now and living
> under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, something all the nativist
> independence movements never take into consideration. They seem to have
> some
> pie-in-the-sky idea that they can force the U.S. out and then go back
> to
> living like they did in 1700s and the rest of the world will leave them
> alone.
> The reality is that as soon as the U.S. left, the Eye of Sauron in Beijing
> would fix squarely upon them and within 20 years, they'd be like Taiwan at
> a
> minimum, if not outright absorbed by China. And if they think the U.S.
> doesn't
> respect their native culture or their values, wait till the Chinese boot
> arrives. China will actively eradicate their culture because it would
> represent a threat to CCP control.
>>
>
> Lettuce also not forget that we bought them an interstate highway system
> that doesn’t connect to any other states.
>
What ever happened to that bridge that was going to join Hawaii to the
mainland? ;-)

It was actually a condition of Confederation here in Canada that PEI
(Prince Edward Island) would only join if the federal government
guaranteed to link the island to the mainland. We did it via ferries for
roughly a century but then FINALLY built the Confederation Bridge to
join PEI to the mainland and it opened in 1997. Mind you, that bridge is
only 12.9 kilometers (8 miles) long! A bridge to join Hawaii to the US
West Coast would presumably be hundreds of miles long, depending on the
route, far longer than anything ever attempted before.

--
Rhino

On 2022-08-19 2:02 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:56:09 -0400, A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <755562449.682535380.732418.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Lettuce also not forget that we bought [Hawaii] an interstate highway system
>>> that doesn¹t connect to any other states.
>>
>>
>> That's the best kind!
>
> I'm pretty sure Alaska has one of those too!

It's a shame Canada didn't buy Alaska instead of letting the Americans
buy it. The map of North America would make more sense then as would the
map of Canada.

At the very least, the Alaska/Yukon border, which is very close to a
straight line, should be extended the rest of the way to the Pacific,
which is only a few miles, so that the Alaska Panhandle would be a part
of BC, not Alaska.

--
Rhino

On 8/19/2022 11:43 AM, Rhino wrote:
> On 2022-08-18 1:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 18, 2022 at 7:39:07 AM PDT, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/us/hawaii-tourism-impact-united-shades-cec/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, no welfare without tourism.
>>>
>>>       "The tourism industry in Hawaii powers its state revenue,
>>>       but that reliance on tourism has resulted in Native Hawaiians
>>>       getting priced out of their homes, climate change wreaking
>>>       havoc on the natural landscape, and a lack of respect for
>>>       the 50th state that is also the ancestral land of more than
>>>       half a million people."
>>>
>>> If 'climate change' is actually wreaking havoc on your island, buddy,
>>> you need
>> to look west, not east for the culprit. I know you activists love to dump
>> all
>> your problems at the feet of the haoles on the mainland, but the U.S. has
>> done
>> more to 'fight climate change' than any other country while the countries
>> to
>> your left-- China and India-- are still opening dozens of coal-fired
>> generation plants every year.
>>>
>>> As for 'lack of respect'? You're the only state that's allowed to
>>> have seats
>> in the state legislature and in local city governments reserved solely
>> for
>> 'native people'. How that's legal and constitutional under the 14th
>> Amendment
>> is god's own private mystery. Can you imagine any other state getting
>> away
>> with putting a racial qualification on a certain percentage of the
>> seats in
>> its statehouse? "If you're white or hispanic you can't run for this seat.
>> It's
>> reserved for black people." Any such law would be shit-canned in a
>> heartbeat
>> by the courts. But in Hawaii, it's allowed for some reason.
>>>
>>> You literally can get away with shit no one else in the nation can
>>> get away
>> with and you're still whining about a 'lack of respect'. Native,
>> please...
>>>
>>> Your only legitimate complaint is the out-pricing of real estate, but
>>> that's
>> something that happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. Home prices here in
>> California are worse than in Hawaii, as they are in several other places
>> around the nation. It's not a 'natives only' problem the way you make it
>> out
>> to be.
>>>
>>>       "But what's profitable for Hawaii's economy can negatively
>>>       impact the lives of Native Hawaiians and yearlong residents.
>>>       To combat drought conditions, residents last year were asked
>>>       to reduce their water consumption or face a fine while large
>>>       resorts continued to use far more water."
>>>
>>> Again, this happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. You don't think we in
>> California have to put up with politicians trying to force water
>> rationing
>> and
>> restrictions on us while big industry-- farming and tourism-- that
>> line the
>> pockets of the legislators and the governor get a pass?
>>>
>>>       "The National Pearl Harbor Memorial is a stop on Kajihiro's
>>>       DeTours, where visitors discuss the United States' rampant
>>>       militarization of Hawaii in the 19th and 20th centuries."
>>>
>>> Without which you'd almost certainly be speaking Chinese right now
>>> and living
>> under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, something all the nativist
>> independence movements never take into consideration. They seem to have
>> some
>> pie-in-the-sky idea that they can force the U.S. out and then go back
>> to
>> living like they did in 1700s and the rest of the world will leave them
>> alone.
>> The reality is that as soon as the U.S. left, the Eye of Sauron in
>> Beijing
>> would fix squarely upon them and within 20 years, they'd be like
>> Taiwan at
>> a
>> minimum, if not outright absorbed by China. And if they think the U.S.
>> doesn't
>> respect their native culture or their values, wait till the Chinese boot
>> arrives. China will actively eradicate their culture because it would
>> represent a threat to CCP control.
>>>
>>
>> Lettuce also not forget that we bought them an interstate highway system
>> that doesn’t connect to any other states.
>>
> What ever happened to that bridge that was going to join Hawaii to the
> mainland? ;-)
>
> It was actually a condition of Confederation here in Canada that PEI
> (Prince Edward Island) would only join if the federal government
> guaranteed to link the island to the mainland. We did it via ferries for
> roughly a century but then FINALLY built the Confederation Bridge to
> join PEI to the mainland and it opened in 1997. Mind you, that bridge is
> only 12.9 kilometers (8 miles) long! A bridge to join Hawaii to the US
> West Coast would presumably be hundreds of miles long, depending on the
> route, far longer than anything ever attempted before.

About 2350 miles to San Francisco. And that's by air. Direct distance is
3764 miles.

On 8/19/2022 11:02 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:56:09 -0400, A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <755562449.682535380.732418.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Lettuce also not forget that we bought [Hawaii] an interstate highway system
>>> that doesn¹t connect to any other states.
>>
>>
>> That's the best kind!
>
> I'm pretty sure Alaska has one of those too!
>
It doesn't, just state highways. If federal money is used, I think it
comes under the Interstate act. So that's why HI has an interstate.

In article <tdollb$1jh89$1@dont-email.me>,
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

> On 2022-08-18 1:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> > BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> >> On Aug 18, 2022 at 7:39:07 AM PDT, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/us/hawaii-tourism-impact-united-shades-cec
> >>>> /index.html
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, no welfare without tourism.
> >>
> >> "The tourism industry in Hawaii powers its state revenue,
> >> but that reliance on tourism has resulted in Native Hawaiians
> >> getting priced out of their homes, climate change wreaking
> >> havoc on the natural landscape, and a lack of respect for
> >> the 50th state that is also the ancestral land of more than
> >> half a million people."
> >>
> >> If 'climate change' is actually wreaking havoc on your island, buddy, you
> >> need to look west, not east for the culprit. I know you activists love
> >> to dump all your problems at the feet of the haoles on the mainland, but
> >> the U.S. has done more to 'fight climate change' than any other country
> >> while the countries to your left-- China and India-- are still opening
> >> dozens of coal-fired generation plants every year.
> >>
> >> As for 'lack of respect'? You're the only state that's allowed to have
> >> seats in the state legislature and in local city governments reserved
> >> solely for 'native people'. How that's legal and constitutional under
> >> the 14th Amendment is god's own private mystery. Can you imagine any
> >> other state getting away with putting a racial qualification on a certain
> >> percentage of the seats in its statehouse? "If you're white or hispanic
> >> you can't run for this seat. It's reserved for black people." Any such
> >> law would be shit-canned in a heartbeat by the courts. But in Hawaii,
> >> it's allowed for some reason.
> >>
> >> You literally can get away with shit no one else in the nation can get
> >> away with and you're still whining about a 'lack of respect'. Native,
> >> please...
> >>
> >> Your only legitimate complaint is the out-pricing of real estate, but
> >> that's something that happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. Home prices
> >> here in California are worse than in Hawaii, as they are in several other
> >> places around the nation. It's not a 'natives only' problem the way you
> >> make it out to be.
> >>
> >> "But what's profitable for Hawaii's economy can negatively
> >> impact the lives of Native Hawaiians and yearlong residents.
> >> To combat drought conditions, residents last year were asked
> >> to reduce their water consumption or face a fine while large
> >> resorts continued to use far more water."
> >>
> >> Again, this happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. You don't think we in
> >> California have to put up with politicians trying to force water
> >> rationing and restrictions on us while big industry-- farming and
> >> tourism-- that line the pockets of the legislators and the governor get
> >> a pass?
> >>
> >> "The National Pearl Harbor Memorial is a stop on Kajihiro's
> >> DeTours, where visitors discuss the United States' rampant
> >> militarization of Hawaii in the 19th and 20th centuries."
> >>
> >> Without which you'd almost certainly be speaking Chinese right now and
> >> living under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, something all the
> >> nativist independence movements never take into consideration. They seem
> >> to have some pie-in-the-sky idea that they can force the U.S. out and
> >> then go back to living like they did in 1700s and the rest of the world
> >> will leave them alone. The reality is that as soon as the U.S. left, the
> >> Eye of Sauron in Beijing would fix squarely upon them and within 20 years,
> >> they'd be like Taiwan at a minimum, if not outright absorbed by China.
> >> And if they think the U.S. doesn't respect their native culture or their
> >> values, wait till the Chinese boot arrives. China will actively eradicate
> >> their culture because it would represent a threat to CCP control.
> >>
> > Lettuce also not forget that we bought them an interstate highway system
> > that doesn’t connect to any other states.
> >
> What ever happened to that bridge that was going to join Hawaii to the
> mainland? ;-)

We have to build it because Occasional-Cortex's "Green New Deal"
requires the cessation of air travel, which would make any travel in and
out of Hawaii impossible as a practical matter. So that bridge from L.A.
to Honolulu is essential!

> It was actually a condition of Confederation here in Canada that PEI
> (Prince Edward Island) would only join if the federal government
> guaranteed to link the island to the mainland. We did it via ferries for
> roughly a century but then FINALLY built the Confederation Bridge to
> join PEI to the mainland and it opened in 1997. Mind you, that bridge is
> only 12.9 kilometers (8 miles) long! A bridge to join Hawaii to the US
> West Coast would presumably be hundreds of miles long, depending on the
> route, far longer than anything ever attempted before.

More like 2000 miles and probably an engineering impossibility with
anything less than STAR TREK-level technology. Driving to Hawaii would
be like driving from L.A. to New York. It's not something that can be
done without stops along the way. A trans-Pacific bridge would require
artificial islands be built out in the middle of the Pacific with
facilities for people to gas their vehicles, eat, use the restroom,
sleep, etc. And that doesn't even get into the issues of weather and
constructing a bridge that can survive hurricanes/typhoons without
collapsing.

In article <tdol5v$1jfj8$1@dont-email.me>,
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

> On 2022-08-18 1:17 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 12:09:43 -0400, Rhino
> > <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Meanwhile, the new Australian government is planning a native-only
> >> consultative body that is massively pissing off moderate Australians.
> >
> > In Canada I am regularly PO'd by talk of "reconciliation" that seems
> > to utterly ignore the fact that true reconciliation is two way and NOT
> > a matter of "OK we'll give you whatever you want .... plus 20% more"
> >
> > And those "acknowledgements" are morphing into declarations that XYZ
> > (in this case the local museum in our area) are "<tribe 1> and <tribe
> > 2> territory". Uh no - your people signed away those rights when they
> > took the white man's dollars.
> >
> > During the worst of the pandemic I was terrified when the first
> > vaccines came out since I have a condition that makes me "clinically
> > extremely vulnerable" - yet aboriginal people - regardless of age and
> > regardless of whether they live "in the sticks" or in the big city
> > were moved to the front of the queue.
> >
> > I defy anybody trying to convince me that an 18 year old native guy in
> > the prime of health (and youth) was ever as much 'at risk' than
> > somebody in their early 60s with a known condition. (If you want to
> > make that argument regarding folks my age I'll listen - but that
> > policy was across the board extending to the youngest and fittest
> > adults)
> >
> > I feel extremely strongly about politicians who believe in playing
> > Russian Roulette with my life in the name of bogus "equity" and will
> > definitely be factoring that into my decision in my next trip to the
> > polls.
>
> The Liberals have built this DIE (Diversity, Inclusion, Equity) crap
> into everything they do. Trudeau and the Liberals - and their NDP
> fluffers - must be soundly defeated at the next election so that the
> next government can start to dismantle this nonsense!
>
> Mind you, I'm not convinced it WILL be dismantled even if a Conservative
> government gets a majority and the leader is genuinely small "c"
> conservative. A whole lot of the time, once a bad policy is enacted, it
> is left in place even after a change of parties. It seems as if
> established policy is sacrosanct, even when it is dead wrong.

Settled law!

In article <tdon71$3sru$2@solani.org>, suzeeq <suzee@imbris.com> wrote:

> On 8/19/2022 11:02 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:56:09 -0400, A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article
> >> <755562449.682535380.732418.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
> >> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Lettuce also not forget that we bought [Hawaii] an interstate highway
> >>> system
> >>> that doesn1t connect to any other states.
> >>
> >>
> >> That's the best kind!
> >
> > I'm pretty sure Alaska has one of those too!
> >
> It doesn't, just state highways. If federal money is used, I think it
> comes under the Interstate act. So that's why HI has an interstate.

Endless research I've just now done says Alaska has four interstates,
numbered A-1 through A-4. Hawaii has three, H-1 through H-3. Puerto
Rico has three, PRI-1 through PRI-3. (Don't confuse those with
commonwealth routes PR-1 through PR-3.)

In article
<atropos-79FDE2.12232119082022@g9u1993c-hb.houston.hpicorp.net>,
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

> A trans-Pacific bridge would require artificial islands be built out
> in the middle of the Pacific with facilities for people to gas their
> vehicles, eat, use the restroom, sleep, etc. And that doesn't even
> get into the issues of weather and constructing a bridge that can
> survive hurricanes/typhoons without collapsing.

Hawaii is also moving at about four inches to the northwest per year,
relative to the California coast.

On 8/19/2022 2:23 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <tdollb$1jh89$1@dont-email.me>,
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-08-18 1:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> On Aug 18, 2022 at 7:39:07 AM PDT, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/us/hawaii-tourism-impact-united-shades-cec
>>>>>> /index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, no welfare without tourism.
>>>>
>>>> "The tourism industry in Hawaii powers its state revenue,
>>>> but that reliance on tourism has resulted in Native Hawaiians
>>>> getting priced out of their homes, climate change wreaking
>>>> havoc on the natural landscape, and a lack of respect for
>>>> the 50th state that is also the ancestral land of more than
>>>> half a million people."
>>>>
>>>> If 'climate change' is actually wreaking havoc on your island, buddy, you
>>>> need to look west, not east for the culprit. I know you activists love
>>>> to dump all your problems at the feet of the haoles on the mainland, but
>>>> the U.S. has done more to 'fight climate change' than any other country
>>>> while the countries to your left-- China and India-- are still opening
>>>> dozens of coal-fired generation plants every year.
>>>>
>>>> As for 'lack of respect'? You're the only state that's allowed to have
>>>> seats in the state legislature and in local city governments reserved
>>>> solely for 'native people'. How that's legal and constitutional under
>>>> the 14th Amendment is god's own private mystery. Can you imagine any
>>>> other state getting away with putting a racial qualification on a certain
>>>> percentage of the seats in its statehouse? "If you're white or hispanic
>>>> you can't run for this seat. It's reserved for black people." Any such
>>>> law would be shit-canned in a heartbeat by the courts. But in Hawaii,
>>>> it's allowed for some reason.
>>>>
>>>> You literally can get away with shit no one else in the nation can get
>>>> away with and you're still whining about a 'lack of respect'. Native,
>>>> please...
>>>>
>>>> Your only legitimate complaint is the out-pricing of real estate, but
>>>> that's something that happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. Home prices
>>>> here in California are worse than in Hawaii, as they are in several other
>>>> places around the nation. It's not a 'natives only' problem the way you
>>>> make it out to be.
>>>>
>>>> "But what's profitable for Hawaii's economy can negatively
>>>> impact the lives of Native Hawaiians and yearlong residents.
>>>> To combat drought conditions, residents last year were asked
>>>> to reduce their water consumption or face a fine while large
>>>> resorts continued to use far more water."
>>>>
>>>> Again, this happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. You don't think we in
>>>> California have to put up with politicians trying to force water
>>>> rationing and restrictions on us while big industry-- farming and
>>>> tourism-- that line the pockets of the legislators and the governor get
>>>> a pass?
>>>>
>>>> "The National Pearl Harbor Memorial is a stop on Kajihiro's
>>>> DeTours, where visitors discuss the United States' rampant
>>>> militarization of Hawaii in the 19th and 20th centuries."
>>>>
>>>> Without which you'd almost certainly be speaking Chinese right now and
>>>> living under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, something all the
>>>> nativist independence movements never take into consideration. They seem
>>>> to have some pie-in-the-sky idea that they can force the U.S. out and
>>>> then go back to living like they did in 1700s and the rest of the world
>>>> will leave them alone. The reality is that as soon as the U.S. left, the
>>>> Eye of Sauron in Beijing would fix squarely upon them and within 20 years,
>>>> they'd be like Taiwan at a minimum, if not outright absorbed by China.
>>>> And if they think the U.S. doesn't respect their native culture or their
>>>> values, wait till the Chinese boot arrives. China will actively eradicate
>>>> their culture because it would represent a threat to CCP control.
>>>>
>>> Lettuce also not forget that we bought them an interstate highway system
>>> that doesn’t connect to any other states.
>>>
>> What ever happened to that bridge that was going to join Hawaii to the
>> mainland? ;-)
>
> We have to build it because Occasional-Cortex's "Green New Deal"
> requires the cessation of air travel,

Wow you must think AOC is a major player in politics, just like MTG and
Lauren Boebert, right? You've got the stupidest fucking diarrhea of the
mouth politicians in your camp, but, because of your eunuch status, you
wouldn't dare acknowledge their existence. Did you ever have testicles?
Do you even have a Y chromosome? Do you pay tribute to J.Edgar daily
by wearing women's undies? Do you ever wonder what it's like having a
body that can produce testosterone? Just curious.

On 8/19/2022 2:49 PM, A Friend wrote:
> In article
> <atropos-79FDE2.12232119082022@g9u1993c-hb.houston.hpicorp.net>,
> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>> A trans-Pacific bridge would require artificial islands be built out
>> in the middle of the Pacific with facilities for people to gas their
>> vehicles, eat, use the restroom, sleep, etc. And that doesn't even
>> get into the issues of weather and constructing a bridge that can
>> survive hurricanes/typhoons without collapsing.
>
>
> Hawaii is also moving at about four inches to the northwest per year,
> relative to the California coast.

Yeah but that's Gavin Newsom's fault, sucking it into his orbit.

On 8/19/2022 2:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <tdol5v$1jfj8$1@dont-email.me>,
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-08-18 1:17 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 12:09:43 -0400, Rhino
>>> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, the new Australian government is planning a native-only
>>>> consultative body that is massively pissing off moderate Australians.
>>>
>>> In Canada I am regularly PO'd by talk of "reconciliation" that seems
>>> to utterly ignore the fact that true reconciliation is two way and NOT
>>> a matter of "OK we'll give you whatever you want .... plus 20% more"
>>>
>>> And those "acknowledgements" are morphing into declarations that XYZ
>>> (in this case the local museum in our area) are "<tribe 1> and <tribe
>>> 2> territory". Uh no - your people signed away those rights when they
>>> took the white man's dollars.
>>>
>>> During the worst of the pandemic I was terrified when the first
>>> vaccines came out since I have a condition that makes me "clinically
>>> extremely vulnerable" - yet aboriginal people - regardless of age and
>>> regardless of whether they live "in the sticks" or in the big city
>>> were moved to the front of the queue.
>>>
>>> I defy anybody trying to convince me that an 18 year old native guy in
>>> the prime of health (and youth) was ever as much 'at risk' than
>>> somebody in their early 60s with a known condition. (If you want to
>>> make that argument regarding folks my age I'll listen - but that
>>> policy was across the board extending to the youngest and fittest
>>> adults)
>>>
>>> I feel extremely strongly about politicians who believe in playing
>>> Russian Roulette with my life in the name of bogus "equity" and will
>>> definitely be factoring that into my decision in my next trip to the
>>> polls.
>>
>> The Liberals have built this DIE (Diversity, Inclusion, Equity) crap
>> into everything they do. Trudeau and the Liberals - and their NDP
>> fluffers - must be soundly defeated at the next election so that the
>> next government can start to dismantle this nonsense!
>>
>> Mind you, I'm not convinced it WILL be dismantled even if a Conservative
>> government gets a majority and the leader is genuinely small "c"
>> conservative. A whole lot of the time, once a bad policy is enacted, it
>> is left in place even after a change of parties. It seems as if
>> established policy is sacrosanct, even when it is dead wrong.
>
> Settled law!

Lying right assholes and the eunuchs that support them!

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:56:09 -0400, A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <755562449.682535380.732418.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Lettuce also not forget that we bought [Hawaii] an interstate highway system
>>> that doesn¹t connect to any other states.
>>
>>
>> That's the best kind!
>
> I'm pretty sure Alaska has one of those too!
>

Yeah, and Puerto Rico too, which is doubly insulting.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> In article <tdollb$1jh89$1@dont-email.me>,
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-08-18 1:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> On Aug 18, 2022 at 7:39:07 AM PDT, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/us/hawaii-tourism-impact-united-shades-cec
>>>>>> /index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, no welfare without tourism.
>>>>
>>>> "The tourism industry in Hawaii powers its state revenue,
>>>> but that reliance on tourism has resulted in Native Hawaiians
>>>> getting priced out of their homes, climate change wreaking
>>>> havoc on the natural landscape, and a lack of respect for
>>>> the 50th state that is also the ancestral land of more than
>>>> half a million people."
>>>>
>>>> If 'climate change' is actually wreaking havoc on your island, buddy, you
>>>> need to look west, not east for the culprit. I know you activists love
>>>> to dump all your problems at the feet of the haoles on the mainland, but
>>>> the U.S. has done more to 'fight climate change' than any other country
>>>> while the countries to your left-- China and India-- are still opening
>>>> dozens of coal-fired generation plants every year.
>>>>
>>>> As for 'lack of respect'? You're the only state that's allowed to have
>>>> seats in the state legislature and in local city governments reserved
>>>> solely for 'native people'. How that's legal and constitutional under
>>>> the 14th Amendment is god's own private mystery. Can you imagine any
>>>> other state getting away with putting a racial qualification on a certain
>>>> percentage of the seats in its statehouse? "If you're white or hispanic
>>>> you can't run for this seat. It's reserved for black people." Any such
>>>> law would be shit-canned in a heartbeat by the courts. But in Hawaii,
>>>> it's allowed for some reason.
>>>>
>>>> You literally can get away with shit no one else in the nation can get
>>>> away with and you're still whining about a 'lack of respect'. Native,
>>>> please...
>>>>
>>>> Your only legitimate complaint is the out-pricing of real estate, but
>>>> that's something that happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. Home prices
>>>> here in California are worse than in Hawaii, as they are in several other
>>>> places around the nation. It's not a 'natives only' problem the way you
>>>> make it out to be.
>>>>
>>>> "But what's profitable for Hawaii's economy can negatively
>>>> impact the lives of Native Hawaiians and yearlong residents.
>>>> To combat drought conditions, residents last year were asked
>>>> to reduce their water consumption or face a fine while large
>>>> resorts continued to use far more water."
>>>>
>>>> Again, this happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. You don't think we in
>>>> California have to put up with politicians trying to force water
>>>> rationing and restrictions on us while big industry-- farming and
>>>> tourism-- that line the pockets of the legislators and the governor get
>>>> a pass?
>>>>
>>>> "The National Pearl Harbor Memorial is a stop on Kajihiro's
>>>> DeTours, where visitors discuss the United States' rampant
>>>> militarization of Hawaii in the 19th and 20th centuries."
>>>>
>>>> Without which you'd almost certainly be speaking Chinese right now and
>>>> living under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, something all the
>>>> nativist independence movements never take into consideration. They seem
>>>> to have some pie-in-the-sky idea that they can force the U.S. out and
>>>> then go back to living like they did in 1700s and the rest of the world
>>>> will leave them alone. The reality is that as soon as the U.S. left, the
>>>> Eye of Sauron in Beijing would fix squarely upon them and within 20 years,
>>>> they'd be like Taiwan at a minimum, if not outright absorbed by China.
>>>> And if they think the U.S. doesn't respect their native culture or their
>>>> values, wait till the Chinese boot arrives. China will actively eradicate
>>>> their culture because it would represent a threat to CCP control.
>>>>
>>> Lettuce also not forget that we bought them an interstate highway system
>>> that doesn’t connect to any other states.
>>>
>> What ever happened to that bridge that was going to join Hawaii to the
>> mainland? ;-)
>
> We have to build it because Occasional-Cortex's "Green New Deal"
> requires the cessation of air travel, which would make any travel in and
> out of Hawaii impossible as a practical matter. So that bridge from L.A.
> to Honolulu is essential!
>
>> It was actually a condition of Confederation here in Canada that PEI
>> (Prince Edward Island) would only join if the federal government
>> guaranteed to link the island to the mainland. We did it via ferries for
>> roughly a century but then FINALLY built the Confederation Bridge to
>> join PEI to the mainland and it opened in 1997. Mind you, that bridge is
>> only 12.9 kilometers (8 miles) long! A bridge to join Hawaii to the US
>> West Coast would presumably be hundreds of miles long, depending on the
>> route, far longer than anything ever attempted before.
>
> More like 2000 miles and probably an engineering impossibility with
> anything less than STAR TREK-level technology. Driving to Hawaii would
> be like driving from L.A. to New York. It's not something that can be
> done without stops along the way. A trans-Pacific bridge would require
> artificial islands be built out in the middle of the Pacific with
> facilities for people to gas their vehicles, eat, use the restroom,
> sleep, etc. And that doesn't even get into the issues of weather and
> constructing a bridge that can survive hurricanes/typhoons without
> collapsing.
>

Wouldn’t we just need a long chunnel?

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In article
<148814364.682641864.608304.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> > In article <tdollb$1jh89$1@dont-email.me>,
> > Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2022-08-18 1:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> >>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Aug 18, 2022 at 7:39:07 AM PDT, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/us/hawaii-tourism-impact-united-shades-c
> >>>>>> ec
> >>>>>> /index.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, no welfare without tourism.
> >>>>
> >>>> "The tourism industry in Hawaii powers its state revenue,
> >>>> but that reliance on tourism has resulted in Native Hawaiians
> >>>> getting priced out of their homes, climate change wreaking
> >>>> havoc on the natural landscape, and a lack of respect for
> >>>> the 50th state that is also the ancestral land of more than
> >>>> half a million people."
> >>>>
> >>>> If 'climate change' is actually wreaking havoc on your island, buddy,
> >>>> you
> >>>> need to look west, not east for the culprit. I know you activists love
> >>>> to dump all your problems at the feet of the haoles on the mainland, but
> >>>> the U.S. has done more to 'fight climate change' than any other country
> >>>> while the countries to your left-- China and India-- are still opening
> >>>> dozens of coal-fired generation plants every year.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for 'lack of respect'? You're the only state that's allowed to have
> >>>> seats in the state legislature and in local city governments reserved
> >>>> solely for 'native people'. How that's legal and constitutional under
> >>>> the 14th Amendment is god's own private mystery. Can you imagine any
> >>>> other state getting away with putting a racial qualification on a certain
> >>>> percentage of the seats in its statehouse? "If you're white or hispanic
> >>>> you can't run for this seat. It's reserved for black people." Any such
> >>>> law would be shit-canned in a heartbeat by the courts. But in Hawaii,
> >>>> it's allowed for some reason.
> >>>>
> >>>> You literally can get away with shit no one else in the nation can get
> >>>> away with and you're still whining about a 'lack of respect'. Native,
> >>>> please...
> >>>>
> >>>> Your only legitimate complaint is the out-pricing of real estate, but
> >>>> that's something that happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. Home prices
> >>>> here in California are worse than in Hawaii, as they are in several other
> >>>> places around the nation. It's not a 'natives only' problem the way you
> >>>> make it out to be.
> >>>>
> >>>> "But what's profitable for Hawaii's economy can negatively
> >>>> impact the lives of Native Hawaiians and yearlong residents.
> >>>> To combat drought conditions, residents last year were asked
> >>>> to reduce their water consumption or face a fine while large
> >>>> resorts continued to use far more water."
> >>>>
> >>>> Again, this happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. You don't think we in
> >>>> California have to put up with politicians trying to force water
> >>>> rationing and restrictions on us while big industry-- farming and
> >>>> tourism-- that line the pockets of the legislators and the governor get
> >>>> a pass?
> >>>>
> >>>> "The National Pearl Harbor Memorial is a stop on Kajihiro's
> >>>> DeTours, where visitors discuss the United States' rampant
> >>>> militarization of Hawaii in the 19th and 20th centuries."
> >>>>
> >>>> Without which you'd almost certainly be speaking Chinese right now and
> >>>> living under the yoke of the Chinese Communist Party, something all the
> >>>> nativist independence movements never take into consideration. They seem
> >>>> to have some pie-in-the-sky idea that they can force the U.S. out and
> >>>> then go back to living like they did in 1700s and the rest of the world
> >>>> will leave them alone. The reality is that as soon as the U.S. left, the
> >>>> Eye of Sauron in Beijing would fix squarely upon them and within 20
> >>>> years,
> >>>> they'd be like Taiwan at a minimum, if not outright absorbed by China.
> >>>> And if they think the U.S. doesn't respect their native culture or their
> >>>> values, wait till the Chinese boot arrives. China will actively eradicate
> >>>> their culture because it would represent a threat to CCP control.
> >>>>
> >>> Lettuce also not forget that we bought them an interstate highway system
> >>> that doesnâ??t connect to any other states.
> >>>
> >> What ever happened to that bridge that was going to join Hawaii to the
> >> mainland? ;-)
> >
> > We have to build it because Occasional-Cortex's "Green New Deal"
> > requires the cessation of air travel, which would make any travel in and
> > out of Hawaii impossible as a practical matter. So that bridge from L.A.
> > to Honolulu is essential!
> >
> >> It was actually a condition of Confederation here in Canada that PEI
> >> (Prince Edward Island) would only join if the federal government
> >> guaranteed to link the island to the mainland. We did it via ferries for
> >> roughly a century but then FINALLY built the Confederation Bridge to
> >> join PEI to the mainland and it opened in 1997. Mind you, that bridge is
> >> only 12.9 kilometers (8 miles) long! A bridge to join Hawaii to the US
> >> West Coast would presumably be hundreds of miles long, depending on the
> >> route, far longer than anything ever attempted before.
> >
> > More like 2000 miles and probably an engineering impossibility with
> > anything less than STAR TREK-level technology. Driving to Hawaii would
> > be like driving from L.A. to New York. It's not something that can be
> > done without stops along the way. A trans-Pacific bridge would require
> > artificial islands be built out in the middle of the Pacific with
> > facilities for people to gas their vehicles, eat, use the restroom,
> > sleep, etc. And that doesn't even get into the issues of weather and
> > constructing a bridge that can survive hurricanes/typhoons without
> > collapsing.
> >
>
> Wouldn¹t we just need a long chunnel?

Once again, you're ignoring the ever-present danger presented by
Morlocks.