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* Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
+* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
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| |`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
| | `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
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| |  +* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
| |  |`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaSteven Bornfeld
| |  | `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
| |  |  `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
| |  |   `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaSteven Bornfeld
| |  |    `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
| |  |     `- Re: Giuliani's La RosaSteven Bornfeld
| |  `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
| |   `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
| |    `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
| |     `- Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
| `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|  `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
|   `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|    +* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|    |+- Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|    |`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
|    | `- Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
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|    | `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|    |  `- Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
|    `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|     +* Re: Giuliani's La RosaJMF
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|     |`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
|     | +* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|     | |+- Re: Giuliani's La RosaJMF
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|     | | `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
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|     | |  `- Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
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|     `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
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|      |`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
|      | `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
|      |  `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaMatt Faunce
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|      |    `- Re: Giuliani's La RosaMatt Faunce
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|      |+* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|      ||`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|      || `- Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|      |`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
|      | `- Re: Giuliani's La RosaMatt Faunce
|      `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
|       `* Re: Giuliani's La RosaKen Blake
|        `- Re: Giuliani's La RosaPaul Carmichael
`* Re: Giuliani's La RosaSteven Bornfeld
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 by: Matt Faunce - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 17:31 UTC

Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
> On 10/29/2021 6:32 PM, Matt Faunce wrote:
>> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>>>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>>>>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>>>>>> with what you think of it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>>>>> recently updated.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>>>>> (transpositions).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
>>>> the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend
>>>> giving it a try?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
>>>
>>
>> There’s this guide.
>> https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/musescore-nightlies/handbook/MuseScore-3.0/MuseScore-en.pdf
>
>
> Thanks very much. I hadn't seen this before. No time now, but I'll at it
> later, and perhaps try it again.
>

You’re welcome. I remembered purchasing a guide several years ago, and
instead of looking on my computer for it I searched the www for it, but I
found the link, posted above, instead. The guide I bought was written and
sold by Katie Wardrobe, copyrighted 2011, and it’s for version 1.1. It
served me well so I consider it money well spent. But there have been many
changes in the program since 1.1, so I’m glad I looked and found the newer
guide.

--
Matt

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 17:34 UTC

El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 09:01:04 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:

> I had Sibelius installed, but I hadn't tried it. Is it good? Better than
> MuseScore?

I haven't the faintest. It's very popular, I believe.

I just looked and there is a cut-down version available for free.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 17:44 UTC

El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 09:06:57 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:

> On 10/30/2021 1:11 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:

>> Today I'm neglecting everything as it is my wedding anniversary.
>
>
> Congratulations! What number? My 62nd anniversary was this past June.

23. But we've been together for more like 35.

We had both been married before.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 19:00 UTC

On 10/30/2021 10:34 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 09:01:04 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
>
>> I had Sibelius installed, but I hadn't tried it. Is it good? Better than
>> MuseScore?
>
> I haven't the faintest. It's very popular, I believe.
>
> I just looked and there is a cut-down version available for free.

I Just tried it. The interface seems much like MuseScore's--very confusing.

I also looked at the manual for MuseScore Matt provided the link for. It
helped a little but I still had a hard time doing what I wanted to do. I
think I'm going to stick with pencil and paper.

--
Ken

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 16:18 UTC

El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 17:34:45 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:

> El Sat, 30 Oct 2021 09:01:04 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
>
>> I had Sibelius installed, but I hadn't tried it. Is it good? Better
>> than MuseScore?
>
> I haven't the faintest. It's very popular, I believe.
>
> I just looked and there is a cut-down version available for free.

The only place I have mentioned Sibelius is here. All of a sudden,
Facebook thinks I may be interested in the Sibelius Software group.

Hmm, maybe the google search is the culprit.

Scary.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Ken Blake - Sun, 31 Oct 2021 20:28 UTC

On 10/29/2021 12:32 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/29/2021 12:24 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>>>
>>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>>>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>>>>> with what you think of it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>>>> recently updated.
>>>>
>>>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>>>> (transpositions).
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
>>> the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend
>>> giving it a try?
>>
>>
>>
>> No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
>> Sometimes my guesses work, sometimes they don't. I may be wrong but I
>> also think that trying to do a particular thing, the results are
>> inconsistent; sometimes what I try works, sometimes trying the same
>> thing fails to work.
>>
>> And I still can't figure out how to do some things. If the music was
>> simpler, I might like it better, but it's next to useless for me for
>> what I want to do.
>>
>> It might be a great program if it had a better interface--one that was
>> intuitively easy to use--and if it had good documentation. It doesn't.
>> If I had enough time to play with it and figure how to do everything, it
>> might be a different story, but I don't.
>
>
> And most important, I'll mention that I now have a lot of it memorized
> and the rest of it nearly memorized. Bad as I am at memorizing, if I
> keep working at it, I won't need anything like MuseScore.

Despite what I said above, I just downloaded a trial version of Guitar
Pro 7 and I'm trying it with Le Rose. I seem to like it better than
either MuseScore or Sibelius, and I now have the first 6 measures
done--more that I had with the others.

But perhaps it's easier for me because at least in some respects they
have the same interface and I'm used to what it is at least a little.

--
Ken

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 by: Ken Blake - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 20:04 UTC

On 10/31/2021 1:28 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 10/29/2021 12:32 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 10/29/2021 12:24 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>>>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>>>>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>>>>>> with what you think of it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>>>>> recently updated.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>>>>> (transpositions).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
>>>> the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend
>>>> giving it a try?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
>>> Sometimes my guesses work, sometimes they don't. I may be wrong but I
>>> also think that trying to do a particular thing, the results are
>>> inconsistent; sometimes what I try works, sometimes trying the same
>>> thing fails to work.
>>>
>>> And I still can't figure out how to do some things. If the music was
>>> simpler, I might like it better, but it's next to useless for me for
>>> what I want to do.
>>>
>>> It might be a great program if it had a better interface--one that was
>>> intuitively easy to use--and if it had good documentation. It doesn't.
>>> If I had enough time to play with it and figure how to do everything, it
>>> might be a different story, but I don't.
>>
>>
>> And most important, I'll mention that I now have a lot of it memorized
>> and the rest of it nearly memorized. Bad as I am at memorizing, if I
>> keep working at it, I won't need anything like MuseScore.
>
>
> Despite what I said above, I just downloaded a trial version of Guitar
> Pro 7 and I'm trying it with Le Rose. I seem to like it better than
> either MuseScore or Sibelius, and I now have the first 6 measures
> done--more that I had with the others.
>
> But perhaps it's easier for me because at least in some respects they
> have the same interface and I'm used to what it is at least a little.

Easier and perhaps better to me than either of the other two, but still
difficult. It keeps making errors (or perhaps it's me making the errors
because I don't know enough about how to do it), and I can't correct them.

As with the others, if I had the time to study how to use and practice
sufficiently, it might be great. But I don't, so I won't. I give up again.

--
Ken

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 by: Matt Faunce - Mon, 1 Nov 2021 20:45 UTC

Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
> On 10/31/2021 1:28 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 10/29/2021 12:32 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2021 12:24 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On 10/29/2021 4:49 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>>> El Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:04:25 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>> El Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:51:38 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/25/2021 3:25 AM, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Musescore is free and produces good-looking sheet music, so I would
>>>>>>>> imagine the tab output will be good. It also has a built-in player, so
>>>>>>>> you can "play" the output to make sure it sounds about right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried it a year or so ago. I don't remember what problems I had with
>>>>>>> it, but it didn't work well for me. If you try it, please report back
>>>>>>> with what you think of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's well thought of but, to me, not intuitive to use. It's been
>>>>>> recently updated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've produced some professional looking sheet music with it
>>>>>> (transpositions).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK. Back to the public forum. Having now played with the new version of
>>>>> the software, for the benefit of others reading this, would you recommend
>>>>> giving it a try?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No. I've given up trying. There's no documentation on how to do things.
>>>> Sometimes my guesses work, sometimes they don't. I may be wrong but I
>>>> also think that trying to do a particular thing, the results are
>>>> inconsistent; sometimes what I try works, sometimes trying the same
>>>> thing fails to work.
>>>>
>>>> And I still can't figure out how to do some things. If the music was
>>>> simpler, I might like it better, but it's next to useless for me for
>>>> what I want to do.
>>>>
>>>> It might be a great program if it had a better interface--one that was
>>>> intuitively easy to use--and if it had good documentation. It doesn't.
>>>> If I had enough time to play with it and figure how to do everything, it
>>>> might be a different story, but I don't.
>>>
>>>
>>> And most important, I'll mention that I now have a lot of it memorized
>>> and the rest of it nearly memorized. Bad as I am at memorizing, if I
>>> keep working at it, I won't need anything like MuseScore.
>>
>>
>> Despite what I said above, I just downloaded a trial version of Guitar
>> Pro 7 and I'm trying it with Le Rose. I seem to like it better than
>> either MuseScore or Sibelius, and I now have the first 6 measures
>> done--more that I had with the others.
>>
>> But perhaps it's easier for me because at least in some respects they
>> have the same interface and I'm used to what it is at least a little.
>
>
>
> Easier and perhaps better to me than either of the other two, but still
> difficult. It keeps making errors (or perhaps it's me making the errors
> because I don't know enough about how to do it), and I can't correct them.
>
> As with the others, if I had the time to study how to use and practice
> sufficiently, it might be great. But I don't, so I won't. I give up again.
>
>

Ten to fifteen years ago there was talk of the development of a notation
program that would be able to scan and read your penciled notation then
output a nice computerized version. What happened with that?

--
Matt

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 by: John - Tue, 2 Nov 2021 00:04 UTC

On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 1:45:46 PM UTC-7, matt wrote:

> Ten to fifteen years ago there was talk of the development of a notation
> program that would be able to scan and read your penciled notation then
> output a nice computerized version. What happened with that?

There are several such programs. See:

https://www.scoringnotes.com/reviews/a-review-of-optical-music-recognition-software/

for a comparison.

John R.

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 by: Matt Faunce - Tue, 2 Nov 2021 20:27 UTC

John <johnrethorst@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 1:45:46 PM UTC-7, matt wrote:
>
>> Ten to fifteen years ago there was talk of the development of a notation
>> program that would be able to scan and read your penciled notation then
>> output a nice computerized version. What happened with that?
>
> There are several such programs. See:
>
> https://www.scoringnotes.com/reviews/a-review-of-optical-music-recognition-software/
>
> for a comparison.
>
> John R.
>

Thanks, John. So there hasn’t been sufficient progress. According to that
link, there’s only one program that can read handwritten notation, and that
program only recognizes one style of writing. I wonder which style.

I didn’t listen to the podcast, but the comments section told me the main
thing I wanted to know.

--
Matt

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