RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/10/ralph-nader-asks-nhtsa-to-recall-teslas-dangerous-and-irresponsible-fsd/
>
>

Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
bogus and he’s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
existence?

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In article
<588601766.681887342.888743.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/10/ralph-nader-asks-nhtsa-to-recall-teslas-da
> > ngerous-and-irresponsible-fsd/
> >
> >
>
> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
> bogus and he¹s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
> existence?

When I was in college fifty years ago or so, Ralph Nader was starting a
group called PIRG, for (I think) Public Interest Research Group. This
went on in hundreds of schools, maybe thousands. Every student *had*
to join, and fees were collected at registration. You could opt out
and get your money back if you went through some sort of process. I
was in student government, we fought it, and we won.

A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
> In article
> <588601766.681887342.888743.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/10/ralph-nader-asks-nhtsa-to-recall-teslas-da
>>> ngerous-and-irresponsible-fsd/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
>> bogus and he¹s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
>> existence?
>
>
> When I was in college fifty years ago or so, Ralph Nader was starting a
> group called PIRG, for (I think) Public Interest Research Group. This
> went on in hundreds of schools, maybe thousands. Every student *had*
> to join, and fees were collected at registration. You could opt out
> and get your money back if you went through some sort of process. I
> was in student government, we fought it, and we won.
>

Good for you!

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On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 06:35:01 -0400, A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:

>In article
><588601766.681887342.888743.anim8rfsk-cox.net@news.easynews.com>,
>anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/10/ralph-nader-asks-nhtsa-to-recall-teslas-da
>> > ngerous-and-irresponsible-fsd/
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
>> bogus and he¹s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
>> existence?
>
>
>When I was in college fifty years ago or so, Ralph Nader was starting a
>group called PIRG, for (I think) Public Interest Research Group. This
>went on in hundreds of schools, maybe thousands. Every student *had*
>to join, and fees were collected at registration. You could opt out
>and get your money back if you went through some sort of process. I
>was in student government, we fought it, and we won.

We had those (also roughly 50 years ago) but they were never mandatory
and were just another club or political group on campus and any fees
collected were purely voluntary.

In my case it was early 1970s but had been going on for several years
before that.

On 2022-08-11 05:38:51 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>> https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/10/ralph-nader-asks-nhtsa-to-recall-teslas-dangerous-and-irresponsible-fsd/
>>
>
> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
> bogus and he's a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
> existence?

Musk's claims are even worse. His "self-driving" system is absolutely
useless. The problem is that too many idiots believe it is
self-driving, despite the fact that Tesla was forced to make specific
notes that it is not - the driver must be ready to take over instantly
WHEN something goes wrong. Basically Tesla is simply using all it's
buyers stupid enough to even turn on the system as beta testing guinea
pigs.

anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:

>Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
>bogus and he's a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
>existence?

TBH, I thought he had died.

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In article <110820220635018986%nope@noway.com>, nope@noway.com wrote:
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

>> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
>> bogus and he�s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
>> existence?
>
>When I was in college fifty years ago or so, Ralph Nader was starting a
>group called PIRG, for (I think) Public Interest Research Group. This
>went on in hundreds of schools, maybe thousands. Every student *had*
>to join, and fees were collected at registration. You could opt out
>and get your money back if you went through some sort of process. I
>was in student government, we fought it, and we won.

Wow, I had forgotten about them on campus when I was in college, but
it might have been named FPIRG. I don't recall if I had to pay a fee
for them or not.

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On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 04:30:43 -0400, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
wrote:

>In article <110820220635018986%nope@noway.com>, nope@noway.com wrote:
>> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
>>> bogus and he¹s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
>>> existence?
>>
>>When I was in college fifty years ago or so, Ralph Nader was starting a
>>group called PIRG, for (I think) Public Interest Research Group. This
>>went on in hundreds of schools, maybe thousands. Every student *had*
>>to join, and fees were collected at registration. You could opt out
>>and get your money back if you went through some sort of process. I
>>was in student government, we fought it, and we won.
>
>Wow, I had forgotten about them on campus when I was in college, but
>it might have been named FPIRG. I don't recall if I had to pay a fee
>for them or not.

At least in our area, most of the PIRGs' names were prefixed by one or
two letters suggesting their location.

Sometimes they were right on, other times they were completely over
the top.

In article <imcdfhhtqn84gvtc8r3v55jaaojcg0gh24@4ax.com>, The Horny Goat
<lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 04:30:43 -0400, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <110820220635018986%nope@noway.com>, nope@noway.com wrote:
> >> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >>> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
> >>> bogus and he¹s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
> >>> existence?
> >>
> >>When I was in college fifty years ago or so, Ralph Nader was starting a
> >>group called PIRG, for (I think) Public Interest Research Group. This
> >>went on in hundreds of schools, maybe thousands. Every student *had*
> >>to join, and fees were collected at registration. You could opt out
> >>and get your money back if you went through some sort of process. I
> >>was in student government, we fought it, and we won.
> >
> >Wow, I had forgotten about them on campus when I was in college, but
> >it might have been named FPIRG. I don't recall if I had to pay a fee
> >for them or not.
>
> At least in our area, most of the PIRGs' names were prefixed by one or
> two letters suggesting their location.
>
> Sometimes they were right on, other times they were completely over
> the top.

Our student-governmental problem was not PIRG's politics or activism
but how our constituents, I guess you'd call them, were being drafted
into Nader's army instead of volunteering for it. Nader was not happy
about our (successful) opposition because we were a big college, and we
drew attention. All PIRG had to do was come before the student
government and make its case, like anyone else, but it flatly refused
to do so.

It's been more than fifty years since all of this happened, and I still
think we were right to fight it.

On 2022-08-10 11:38 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>> https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/10/ralph-nader-asks-nhtsa-to-recall-teslas-dangerous-and-irresponsible-fsd/
>>
>>
>
> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
> bogus and he’s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
> existence?
>

And yet he's not wrong about Tesla's autopilot not being ready for
primetime.

RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 23:38:11 UTC-4, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 2022-08-10 11:38 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/10/ralph-nader-asks-nhtsa-to-recall-teslas-dangerous-and-irresponsible-fsd/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
>>> bogus and he’s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
>>> existence?
>>>
>> And yet he's not wrong about Tesla's autopilot not being ready for
>> primetime.
>
> The autopilot is like a dog, it seems to attack "cars in uniform" like emergency vehicles.
>
>

Is Tesla (or anybody else) using full auto drive anywhere? Walmart uses
(not Tesla) auto drive delivery vehicles to my house but they have two
people in them just to make sure nothing goes wrong.

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On 8/15/2022 11:08 PM, RichA wrote:
> On Friday, 12 August 2022 at 18:12:32 UTC-4, A Friend wrote:
>> In article <imcdfhhtqn84gvtc8...@4ax.com>, The Horny Goat
>> <lcr...@home.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 04:30:43 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <110820220635018986%no...@noway.com>, no...@noway.com wrote:
>>>>> anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
>>>>>> bogus and he零 a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
>>>>>> existence?
>>>>>
>>>>> When I was in college fifty years ago or so, Ralph Nader was starting a
>>>>> group called PIRG, for (I think) Public Interest Research Group. This
>>>>> went on in hundreds of schools, maybe thousands. Every student *had*
>>>>> to join, and fees were collected at registration. You could opt out
>>>>> and get your money back if you went through some sort of process. I
>>>>> was in student government, we fought it, and we won.
>>>>
>>>> Wow, I had forgotten about them on campus when I was in college, but
>>>> it might have been named FPIRG. I don't recall if I had to pay a fee
>>>> for them or not.
>>>
>>> At least in our area, most of the PIRGs' names were prefixed by one or
>>> two letters suggesting their location.
>>>
>>> Sometimes they were right on, other times they were completely over
>>> the top.
>> Our student-governmental problem was not PIRG's politics or activism
>> but how our constituents, I guess you'd call them, were being drafted
>> into Nader's army instead of volunteering for it.
>
> Same thing today, cancel culture sees to it on campuses.
>

Have you been to a lot of "campuses" then, or are you being psychotic as
usual?

On 8/15/2022 10:30 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 23:38:11 UTC-4, David Johnston wrote:
>>> On 2022-08-10 11:38 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/10/ralph-nader-asks-nhtsa-to-recall-teslas-dangerous-and-irresponsible-fsd/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
>>>> bogus and he’s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
>>>> existence?
>>>>
>>> And yet he's not wrong about Tesla's autopilot not being ready for
>>> primetime.
>>
>> The autopilot is like a dog, it seems to attack "cars in uniform" like emergency vehicles.
>>
>>
>
> Is Tesla (or anybody else) using full auto drive anywhere? Walmart uses
> (not Tesla) auto drive delivery vehicles to my house but they have two
> people in them just to make sure nothing goes wrong.
>
One of the big pizza chains was advertising that they used automated
vehicles to make home deliveries with special built smaller than car
sized vehicles but I can't remember seeing one of those ads recently.

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dirty old man.

On 8/15/2022 11:09 PM, RichA wrote:
> On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 23:38:11 UTC-4, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 2022-08-10 11:38 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/10/ralph-nader-asks-nhtsa-to-recall-teslas-dangerous-and-irresponsible-fsd/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
>>> bogus and he’s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
>>> existence?
>>>
>> And yet he's not wrong about Tesla's autopilot not being ready for
>> primetime.
>
> The autopilot is like a dog, it seems to attack "cars in uniform" like emergency vehicles.
>

Cite?

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> On 8/15/2022 10:30 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 23:38:11 UTC-4, David Johnston wrote:
>>>> On 2022-08-10 11:38 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/10/ralph-nader-asks-nhtsa-to-recall-teslas-dangerous-and-irresponsible-fsd/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
>>>>> bogus and he’s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
>>>>> existence?
>>>>>
>>>> And yet he's not wrong about Tesla's autopilot not being ready for
>>>> primetime.
>>>
>>> The autopilot is like a dog, it seems to attack "cars in uniform" like
>>> emergency vehicles.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Is Tesla (or anybody else) using full auto drive anywhere? Walmart uses
>> (not Tesla) auto drive delivery vehicles to my house but they have two
>> people in them just to make sure nothing goes wrong.
>>
> One of the big pizza chains was advertising that they used automated
> vehicles to make home deliveries with special built smaller than car
> sized vehicles but I can't remember seeing one of those ads recently.
>

The YouTube has a series of ads archived from Domino’s and pizza slut and
others all claiming they’re about to go to the pizza robots starting four
years ago. Doesn’t look like any of them ever did.

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anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 23:38:11 UTC-4, David Johnston wrote:

>>> And yet he's not wrong about Tesla's autopilot not being ready for
>>> primetime.
>>
>> The autopilot is like a dog, it seems to attack "cars in uniform" like
>> emergency vehicles.
>
>Is Tesla (or anybody else) using full auto drive anywhere? Walmart uses
>(not Tesla) auto drive delivery vehicles to my house but they have two
>people in them just to make sure nothing goes wrong.

If memory serves, fully auto drive cars only work on Interstates or straight
roads with few intersections or limited access.

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anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 8/15/2022 10:30 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 23:38:11 UTC-4, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-08-10 11:38 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/10/ralph-nader-asks-nhtsa-to-recall-teslas-dangerous-and-irresponsible-fsd/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
>>>>>> bogus and he’s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
>>>>>> existence?
>>>>>>
>>>>> And yet he's not wrong about Tesla's autopilot not being ready for
>>>>> primetime.
>>>>
>>>> The autopilot is like a dog, it seems to attack "cars in uniform" like
>>>> emergency vehicles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is Tesla (or anybody else) using full auto drive anywhere? Walmart uses
>>> (not Tesla) auto drive delivery vehicles to my house but they have two
>>> people in them just to make sure nothing goes wrong.
>>>
>> One of the big pizza chains was advertising that they used automated
>> vehicles to make home deliveries with special built smaller than car
>> sized vehicles but I can't remember seeing one of those ads recently.
>>
>
> The YouTube has a series of ads archived from Domino’s and pizza slut and
> others all claiming they’re about to go to the pizza robots starting four
> years ago. Doesn’t look like any of them ever did.

I was driving around Seattle last week and while I was stopped at a light,
I saw something trundling down the sidewalk getting in everyone's way.
Don't know if it was delivering anything, but it was a bot of some kind. It
ended up getting stuck at a tree root that had grown up over the pavement.
Couldn't get past it. I guess someone eventually got some cold pizza.

On 8/16/2022 1:30 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 8/15/2022 10:30 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 23:38:11 UTC-4, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-08-10 11:38 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/10/ralph-nader-asks-nhtsa-to-recall-teslas-dangerous-and-irresponsible-fsd/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
>>>>>> bogus and he’s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
>>>>>> existence?
>>>>>>
>>>>> And yet he's not wrong about Tesla's autopilot not being ready for
>>>>> primetime.
>>>>
>>>> The autopilot is like a dog, it seems to attack "cars in uniform" like
>>>> emergency vehicles.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is Tesla (or anybody else) using full auto drive anywhere? Walmart uses
>>> (not Tesla) auto drive delivery vehicles to my house but they have two
>>> people in them just to make sure nothing goes wrong.
>>>
>> One of the big pizza chains was advertising that they used automated
>> vehicles to make home deliveries with special built smaller than car
>> sized vehicles but I can't remember seeing one of those ads recently.
>>
>
> The YouTube has a series of ads archived from Domino’s and pizza slut and
> others all claiming they’re about to go to the pizza robots starting four
> years ago. Doesn’t look like any of them ever did.
>
Maybe their contract for the delivery vehicles was with Tesla? :P

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dirty old man.

On 8/16/2022 8:49 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> On 8/15/2022 10:30 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, 14 August 2022 at 23:38:11 UTC-4, David Johnston wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-08-10 11:38 p.m., anim8rfsk wrote:
>>>>>>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/10/ralph-nader-asks-nhtsa-to-recall-teslas-dangerous-and-irresponsible-fsd/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who wants to point out that his claims about the Corvair were completely
>>>>>>> bogus and he’s a liar and a fraud and I hope Musk sues him out of
>>>>>>> existence?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet he's not wrong about Tesla's autopilot not being ready for
>>>>>> primetime.
>>>>>
>>>>> The autopilot is like a dog, it seems to attack "cars in uniform" like
>>>>> emergency vehicles.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is Tesla (or anybody else) using full auto drive anywhere? Walmart uses
>>>> (not Tesla) auto drive delivery vehicles to my house but they have two
>>>> people in them just to make sure nothing goes wrong.
>>>>
>>> One of the big pizza chains was advertising that they used automated
>>> vehicles to make home deliveries with special built smaller than car
>>> sized vehicles but I can't remember seeing one of those ads recently.
>>>
>>
>> The YouTube has a series of ads archived from Domino’s and pizza slut and
>> others all claiming they’re about to go to the pizza robots starting four
>> years ago. Doesn’t look like any of them ever did.
>
> I was driving around Seattle last week

What assignment were you doing for the Oath Keepers this time? Scoping
out an FBI HQ for them to attack?

A Friend <nope@noway.com> writes:

> In article <imcdfhhtqn84gvtc8r3v55jaaojcg0gh24@4ax.com>, The Horny
> Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

>> On Fri, 12 Aug 2022 04:30:43 -0400, Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
>> wrote:

>>> In article <110820220635018986%nope@noway.com>, A Friend wrote:

>>>> When I was in college fifty years ago or so, Ralph Nader was
>>>> starting a group called PIRG, for (I think) Public Interest
>>>> Research Group. This went on in hundreds of schools, maybe
>>>> thousands. Every student *had* to join, and fees were collected at
>>>> registration. You could opt out and get your money back if you
>>>> went through some sort of process. I was in student government, we
>>>> fought it, and we won.
>>>
>>> Wow, I had forgotten about them on campus when I was in college, but
>>> it might have been named FPIRG. I don't recall if I had to pay a fee
>>> for them or not.
>>
>> At least in our area, most of the PIRGs' names were prefixed by one
>> or two letters suggesting their location.
>>
>> Sometimes they were right on, other times they were completely over
>> the top.
>
> Our student-governmental problem was not PIRG's politics or activism
> but how our constituents, I guess you'd call them, were being drafted
> into Nader's army instead of volunteering for it. Nader was not happy
> about our (successful) opposition because we were a big college, and
> we drew attention. All PIRG had to do was come before the student
> government and make its case, like anyone else, but it flatly refused
> to do so.
>
> It's been more than fifty years since all of this happened, and I
> still think we were right to fight it.

My sense is that you were. I have a vague memory of someone who
graduated from college in the late '80s/early '90s, who reported having
voluntarily joined a PIRG out of idealism, but who was disillusioned by
their labor model, which seemed to be predicated on working the
volunteers until they burned out, because they should be as dedicated to
the cause as Nader.

-Micky