On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 8:22:13 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 7:53:12 AM UTC-4, HC wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 7:49:23 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 7:39:16 AM UTC-4, HC wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 7:19:59 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:54:41 AM UTC-4, HC wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:18:20 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:21:24 AM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'll grant you, it does fizzle out some near me end.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Most things would die if they were near your rear end.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That said, why didn't you make that comment in the first place, instead of seconding that it was excellent? It isn't excellent and needs work. Did you read the poem?
> > > > > > He didn’t say die. He specifically said “fizzle out”. Pay attention. Words matter.
> > > > > Why don't you pay attention to what they said, they didn't say that OP said "die", "die" was directed at OP-- as you say, words matter...
> > > > Yes, I know. I did. I was trying to make an alternative point. Excuse me. My bad, again.
> > > as they say, it happens
> > > as does grouchy, words can matter especially when they're taken badly
> > I’m very, very sorry that you took my words badly.
> > Would that I could fix that. It’s very frustrating.
> Don't worry, it wasn't here. I snapped at you and got my annoyance done with. I've already moved on to another target.

Whew, that was close. Thanks. Excuse me, this is just too much
excitement for me. I think I need to lie down and take a nap now.

On 2022-06-22 12:00 a.m., Ilya Shambat wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:15:19 AM UTC+10, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>>
>>> A Work of Art
>>
>>> I tried to write a work of art
>>> With all my passion, all my heart,
>>> But no idea of what to say
>>> Or what I wanted to convey;
>>> My plans were doomed, and fell apart.
>>
>>> It really wasn't very smart
>>> To take this trek without a chart:
>>> Spontaneous writing's fine for play
>>> But one cannot make art that way,
>>> I should have realized from the start.
>>
>>> - gjd
>> Quite an excellent short poem....
>
> Yes, definitely.

Thanks, Zod and Ilya.

I'm glad you're reading, Ilya. There's been a dearth of poetry on the
group lately, which I'm trying to do something about; and I'm glad to
find evidence of readers.

On 2022-06-21 6:16 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 8:31:50 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> A Work of Art
>>
>> I tried to write a work of art
>> With all my passion, all my heart,
>> But no idea of what to say
>> Or what I wanted to convey;
>> My plans were doomed, and fell apart.
>>
>> It really wasn't very smart
>> To take this trek without a chart:
>> Spontaneous writing's fine for play
>> But one cannot make art that way,
>> I should have realized from the start.
>>
>> - gjd

> George Dance, your poem breaks down in the last line. "I should have realized from the start" just does not fit with the meter you have established. A suggestion would be "I should have known [also "seen" is a possibility] that from the start," which would put the proper stress on "known."

Thank you for commenting, NG -- and thank you for focusing laser-like on
the meter. This is merely light verse, which should be good verse, and
especially given its content its meter should be impeccable.

The meter is defined in L1 as IT (iambic tetrameter):

i TRIED / to WRITE / a WORK / of ART

Your suggestion fits that meter perfectly:

i SHOULD / have KNOWN / that FROM / the START

But so did my original:

i SHOULD / have REAL/ized FROM the START

So I don't see the "breakdown" or the need to change the line.

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 3:32:17 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-06-22 12:00 a.m., Ilya Shambat wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:15:19 AM UTC+10, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> George J. Dance wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A Work of Art
> >>
> >>> I tried to write a work of art
> >>> With all my passion, all my heart,
> >>> But no idea of what to say
> >>> Or what I wanted to convey;
> >>> My plans were doomed, and fell apart.
> >>
> >>> It really wasn't very smart
> >>> To take this trek without a chart:
> >>> Spontaneous writing's fine for play
> >>> But one cannot make art that way,
> >>> I should have realized from the start.
> >>
> >>> - gjd
> >> Quite an excellent short poem....
> >
> > Yes, definitely.
> Thanks, Zod and Ilya.
>
> I'm glad you're reading, Ilya. There's been a dearth of poetry on the
> group lately, which I'm trying to do something about; and I'm glad to
> find evidence of readers.

I wouldn't say that there's been a dearth of poetry of late -- you just have to know where to look. The AYoS threads contain a great deal of AAPC member poetry -- much of it brand new/never before posted.

That said, I do appreciate your efforts to bring AAPC's focus back to poetry.

Unfortunately, you're effort to engage Ilya in a conversation is both futile and... strange... considering how H.C. and NancyGene have (unlike Ilya) actually shared some constructive criticism with you.

Hopefully we can get a discussion going between them and yourself.

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 3:44:09 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-06-21 6:16 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 8:31:50 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> A Work of Art
> >>
> >> I tried to write a work of art
> >> With all my passion, all my heart,
> >> But no idea of what to say
> >> Or what I wanted to convey;
> >> My plans were doomed, and fell apart.
> >>
> >> It really wasn't very smart
> >> To take this trek without a chart:
> >> Spontaneous writing's fine for play
> >> But one cannot make art that way,
> >> I should have realized from the start.
> >>
> >> - gjd
>
> > George Dance, your poem breaks down in the last line. "I should have realized from the start" just does not fit with the meter you have established. A suggestion would be "I should have known [also "seen" is a possibility] that from the start," which would put the proper stress on "known."
> Thank you for commenting, NG -- and thank you for focusing laser-like on
> the meter. This is merely light verse, which should be good verse, and
> especially given its content its meter should be impeccable.
>
> The meter is defined in L1 as IT (iambic tetrameter):
>
> i TRIED / to WRITE / a WORK / of ART
>
> Your suggestion fits that meter perfectly:
>
> i SHOULD / have KNOWN / that FROM / the START
>
> But so did my original:
>
> i SHOULD / have REAL/ized FROM the START
>
> So I don't see the "breakdown" or the need to change the line.

Looks like I spoke too soon. :)

Merriam-Webster differs with your pronunciation of "realized":

re·​al·​ize | \ ˈrē-ə-ˌlīz \

although a two-syllable reading should be allowable.

That said, I still agree with NancyGene that "known" is a much stronger (and more final) word for a closing line.

On 2022-06-23 7:19 a.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:54:41 AM UTC-4, HC wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:18:20 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>>> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:21:24 AM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll grant you, it does fizzle out some near me end.
>>>>
>>> Most things would die if they were near your rear end.
>>>
>>> That said, why didn't you make that comment in the first place, instead of seconding that it was excellent? It isn't excellent and needs work. Did you read the poem?
>> He didn’t say die. He specifically said “fizzle out”. Pay attention. Words matter.
>
> Why don't you pay attention to what they said, they didn't say that OP said "die", "die" was directed at OP--

No, NG's comment was not directed at me. Are you trying to stir up trouble?

> as you say, words matter...

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 3:46:56 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 3:32:17 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-06-22 12:00 a.m., Ilya Shambat wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:15:19 AM UTC+10, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> George J. Dance wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> A Work of Art
> > >>
> > >>> I tried to write a work of art
> > >>> With all my passion, all my heart,
> > >>> But no idea of what to say
> > >>> Or what I wanted to convey;
> > >>> My plans were doomed, and fell apart.
> > >>
> > >>> It really wasn't very smart
> > >>> To take this trek without a chart:
> > >>> Spontaneous writing's fine for play
> > >>> But one cannot make art that way,
> > >>> I should have realized from the start.
> > >>
> > >>> - gjd
> > >> Quite an excellent short poem....
> > >
> > > Yes, definitely.
> > Thanks, Zod and Ilya.
> >
> > I'm glad you're reading, Ilya. There's been a dearth of poetry on the
> > group lately, which I'm trying to do something about; and I'm glad to
> > find evidence of readers.
> I wouldn't say that there's been a dearth of poetry of late -- you just have to know where to look. The AYoS threads contain a great deal of AAPC member poetry -- much of it brand new/never before posted.
>
> That said, I do appreciate your efforts to bring AAPC's focus back to poetry.
>
> Unfortunately, you're effort to engage Ilya in a conversation is both futile and... strange... considering how H.C. and NancyGene have (unlike Ilya) actually shared some constructive criticism with you.
>
> Hopefully we can get a discussion going between them and yourself.

I’d like to discuss use of the word spontaneous. Wouldn’t extemporaneous be more appropriate?

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:03:15 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-06-23 7:19 a.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:54:41 AM UTC-4, HC wrote:
> >> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:18:20 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:21:24 AM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'll grant you, it does fizzle out some near me end.
> >>>>
> >>> Most things would die if they were near your rear end.
> >>>
> >>> That said, why didn't you make that comment in the first place, instead of seconding that it was excellent? It isn't excellent and needs work. Did you read the poem?
> >> He didn’t say die. He specifically said “fizzle out”. Pay attention. Words matter.
> >
> > Why don't you pay attention to what they said, they didn't say that OP said "die", "die" was directed at OP--
> No, NG's comment was not directed at me. Are you trying to stir up trouble?
> > as you say, words matter...

Ash’s comment was directed at me. Don’t pay it any mind.

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:18:20 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:21:24 AM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>> > I'll grant you, it does fizzle out some near me end.
>> >
>> Most things would die if they were near your rear end.
>>
>> That said, why didn't you make that comment in the first place, instead of seconding that it was excellent? It isn't excellent and needs work. Did you read the poem?

> Because George was making a joke, it was a parody of a well known Usenet poet.

> HTH and HAND.

No names please... we have a truce....!

On 2022-06-22 11:29 a.m., HC wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 4:31:50 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> A Work of Art
>>
>> I tried to write a work of art
>> With all my passion, all my heart,
>> But no idea of what to say
>> Or what I wanted to convey;
>> My plans were doomed, and fell apart.
>>
>> It really wasn't very smart
>> To take this trek without a chart:
>> Spontaneous writing's fine for play
>> But one cannot make art that way,
>> I should have realized from the start.
>>
>> - gjd
>
> I cannot make a work of art,
> because I’m simply not that smart.
> I know what I would like to say,
> but nothing comes out the right way.
> My book won’t sell at the Walmart.
>

I'm smart. I write a work of art
Most every time I have a fart,
For farting makes me think of cheeses,
Cheeses make me think of Jesus ...
Thus my wisdom I impart.

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:57:39 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-06-22 11:29 a.m., HC wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 4:31:50 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> A Work of Art
> >>
> >> I tried to write a work of art
> >> With all my passion, all my heart,
> >> But no idea of what to say
> >> Or what I wanted to convey;
> >> My plans were doomed, and fell apart.
> >>
> >> It really wasn't very smart
> >> To take this trek without a chart:
> >> Spontaneous writing's fine for play
> >> But one cannot make art that way,
> >> I should have realized from the start.
> >>
> >> - gjd
> >
> > I cannot make a work of art,
> > because I’m simply not that smart.
> > I know what I would like to say,
> > but nothing comes out the right way.
> > My book won’t sell at the Walmart.
> >
>
> I'm smart. I write a work of art
> Most every time I have a fart,
> For farting makes me think of cheeses,
> Cheeses make me think of Jesus ...
> Thus my wisdom I impart.

Jesus told a fart joke once.

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:57:39 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-06-22 11:29 a.m., HC wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 4:31:50 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> A Work of Art
> >>
> >> I tried to write a work of art
> >> With all my passion, all my heart,
> >> But no idea of what to say
> >> Or what I wanted to convey;
> >> My plans were doomed, and fell apart.
> >>
> >> It really wasn't very smart
> >> To take this trek without a chart:
> >> Spontaneous writing's fine for play
> >> But one cannot make art that way,
> >> I should have realized from the start.
> >>
> >> - gjd
> >
> > I cannot make a work of art,
> > because I’m simply not that smart.
> > I know what I would like to say,
> > but nothing comes out the right way.
> > My book won’t sell at the Walmart.

A shame, my book is doing well at Walmart:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Selected-Poems-1976-2019-Paperback-9780994860019/796425131

> >
>
> I'm smart. I write a work of art
> Most every time I have a fart,
> For farting makes me think of cheeses,
> Cheeses make me think of Jesus ...
> Thus my wisdom I impart.

....

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 7:44:09 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-06-21 6:16 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 8:31:50 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> A Work of Art
> >>
> >> I tried to write a work of art
> >> With all my passion, all my heart,
> >> But no idea of what to say
> >> Or what I wanted to convey;
> >> My plans were doomed, and fell apart.
> >>
> >> It really wasn't very smart
> >> To take this trek without a chart:
> >> Spontaneous writing's fine for play
> >> But one cannot make art that way,
> >> I should have realized from the start.
> >>
> >> - gjd
>
> > George Dance, your poem breaks down in the last line. "I should have realized from the start" just does not fit with the meter you have established. A suggestion would be "I should have known [also "seen" is a possibility] that from the start," which would put the proper stress on "known."
> Thank you for commenting, NG -- and thank you for focusing laser-like on
> the meter. This is merely light verse, which should be good verse, and
> especially given its content its meter should be impeccable.
>
> The meter is defined in L1 as IT (iambic tetrameter):
>
> i TRIED / to WRITE / a WORK / of ART
>
> Your suggestion fits that meter perfectly:
>
> i SHOULD / have KNOWN / that FROM / the START
>
> But so did my original:
>
> i SHOULD / have REAL/ized FROM the START
We would never pronounce "realized" as REAL-eyesd. The word has three syllables. If you pronounce it as REAL-eyesd, people may look at you strangely..

>
> So I don't see the "breakdown" or the need to change the line.
It doesn't fit your meter, with three syllables. It is wrong to pronounce it with two syllables. Quick quiz: pronounce El Camino Real.

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:15:21 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:18:20 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> >> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:21:24 AM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'll grant you, it does fizzle out some near me end.
> >> >
> >> Most things would die if they were near your rear end.
> >>
> >> That said, why didn't you make that comment in the first place, instead of seconding that it was excellent? It isn't excellent and needs work. Did you read the poem?
>
> > Because George was making a joke, it was a parody of a well known Usenet poet.
>
> > HTH and HAND.
> No names please... we have a truce....!

We do not have a truce. We have a cease fire.

Of course it's dependent upon whether you continue to flood the group with posts every day.

So far, I haven't seen so many -- but that might be due to the fact that most of Will's and your threads have been blocked.

I was told that you'd made over thirty the other day.

Let's try to keep it down to twenty-five.

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:45:20 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:15:21 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:18:20 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:21:24 AM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I'll grant you, it does fizzle out some near me end.
> > >> >
> > >> Most things would die if they were near your rear end.
> > >>
> > >> That said, why didn't you make that comment in the first place, instead of seconding that it was excellent? It isn't excellent and needs work. Did you read the poem?
> >
> > > Because George was making a joke, it was a parody of a well known Usenet poet.
> >
> > > HTH and HAND.
> > No names please... we have a truce....!
> We do not have a truce. We have a cease fire.
>
> Of course it's dependent upon whether you continue to flood the group with posts every day.
>
> So far, I haven't seen so many -- but that might be due to the fact that most of Will's and your threads have been blocked.
>
> I was told that you'd made over thirty the other day.
>
> Let's try to keep it down to twenty-five.

I'm sure glad you don't think you can tell me what to do, Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey.

🙂

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:55:10 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:45:20 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:15:21 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:18:20 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > >> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:21:24 AM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > I'll grant you, it does fizzle out some near me end.
> > > >> >
> > > >> Most things would die if they were near your rear end.
> > > >>
> > > >> That said, why didn't you make that comment in the first place, instead of seconding that it was excellent? It isn't excellent and needs work. Did you read the poem?
> > >
> > > > Because George was making a joke, it was a parody of a well known Usenet poet.
> > >
> > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > No names please... we have a truce....!
> > We do not have a truce. We have a cease fire.
> >
> > Of course it's dependent upon whether you continue to flood the group with posts every day.
> >
> > So far, I haven't seen so many -- but that might be due to the fact that most of Will's and your threads have been blocked.
> >
> > I was told that you'd made over thirty the other day.
> >
> > Let's try to keep it down to twenty-five.
> I'm sure glad you don't think you can tell me what to do, Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey.

There is no cease fire with you, Donkey.

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 12:14:50 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:55:10 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:45:20 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:15:21 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:18:20 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > >> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:21:24 AM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I'll grant you, it does fizzle out some near me end.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> Most things would die if they were near your rear end.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> That said, why didn't you make that comment in the first place, instead of seconding that it was excellent? It isn't excellent and needs work. Did you read the poem?
> > > >
> > > > > Because George was making a joke, it was a parody of a well known Usenet poet.
> > > >
> > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > > No names please... we have a truce....!
> > > We do not have a truce. We have a cease fire.
> > >
> > > Of course it's dependent upon whether you continue to flood the group with posts every day.
> > >
> > > So far, I haven't seen so many -- but that might be due to the fact that most of Will's and your threads have been blocked.
> > >
> > > I was told that you'd made over thirty the other day.
> > >
> > > Let's try to keep it down to twenty-five.
> > I'm sure glad you don't think you can tell me what to do, Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey.
> There is no cease fire with you, Donkey

I don't need one, you shit slinging little monkey troll.

🙂

On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 21:55:10 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:45:20 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:15:21 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:18:20 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > >> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:21:24 AM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > I'll grant you, it does fizzle out some near me end.
> > > >> >
> > > >> Most things would die if they were near your rear end.
> > > >>
> > > >> That said, why didn't you make that comment in the first place, instead of seconding that it was excellent? It isn't excellent and needs work. Did you read the poem?
> > >
> > > > Because George was making a joke, it was a parody of a well known Usenet poet.
> > >
> > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > No names please... we have a truce....!
> > We do not have a truce. We have a cease fire.
> >
> > Of course it's dependent upon whether you continue to flood the group with posts every day.
> >
> > So far, I haven't seen so many -- but that might be due to the fact that most of Will's and your threads have been blocked.
> >
> > I was told that you'd made over thirty the other day.
> >
> > Let's try to keep it down to twenty-five.
> I'm sure glad you don't think you can tell me what to do, Pendragon, you shit slinging litte monkey.
>

No one has tried to tell you what to do.
You have been asked to be respectful of others here, but you do not seem to be able to do that.
Please stop trolling and/or antagonizing others into long dead and forgotten flame wars because you are a lonely, worthless, narcicistic man.
Your present situation is of your own doing.
Stop hating the rest of us because we have to point it out to you.
That is not a diagnosis. That is an observation of many here on this group.

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 12:21:04 AM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> On Thursday, 23 June 2022 at 21:55:10 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:45:20 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:15:21 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:18:20 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > >> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:21:24 AM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I'll grant you, it does fizzle out some near me end.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> Most things would die if they were near your rear end.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> That said, why didn't you make that comment in the first place, instead of seconding that it was excellent? It isn't excellent and needs work. Did you read the poem?
> > > >
> > > > > Because George was making a joke, it was a parody of a well known Usenet poet.
> > > >
> > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > > No names please... we have a truce....!
> > > We do not have a truce. We have a cease fire.
> > >
> > > Of course it's dependent upon whether you continue to flood the group with posts every day.
> > >
> > > So far, I haven't seen so many -- but that might be due to the fact that most of Will's and your threads have been blocked.
> > >
> > > I was told that you'd made over thirty the other day.
> > >
> > > Let's try to keep it down to twenty-five.
> > I'm sure glad you don't think you can tell me what to do, Pendragon, you shit slinging litte monkey.
> >
>
>
>
>
> No one has tried to tell you what to do.

I know, and I'm fine with that.

🙂

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 5:44:24 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:57:39 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-06-22 11:29 a.m., HC wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 4:31:50 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> A Work of Art
> > >>
> > >> I tried to write a work of art
> > >> With all my passion, all my heart,
> > >> But no idea of what to say
> > >> Or what I wanted to convey;
> > >> My plans were doomed, and fell apart.
> > >>
> > >> It really wasn't very smart
> > >> To take this trek without a chart:
> > >> Spontaneous writing's fine for play
> > >> But one cannot make art that way,
> > >> I should have realized from the start.
> > >>
> > >> - gjd
> > >
> > > I cannot make a work of art,
> > > because I’m simply not that smart.
> > > I know what I would like to say,
> > > but nothing comes out the right way.
> > > My book won’t sell at the Walmart.
> A shame, my book is doing well at Walmart:
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Selected-Poems-1976-2019-Paperback-9780994860019/796425131
> > >
> >
> > I'm smart. I write a work of art
> > Most every time I have a fart,
> > For farting makes me think of cheeses,
> > Cheeses make me think of Jesus ...
> > Thus my wisdom I impart.
> ...

That’s wonderful. Good luck with that.

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 5:19:17 AM UTC-4, HC wrote:
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 5:44:24 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:57:39 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On 2022-06-22 11:29 a.m., HC wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 4:31:50 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> A Work of Art
> > > >>
> > > >> I tried to write a work of art
> > > >> With all my passion, all my heart,
> > > >> But no idea of what to say
> > > >> Or what I wanted to convey;
> > > >> My plans were doomed, and fell apart.
> > > >>
> > > >> It really wasn't very smart
> > > >> To take this trek without a chart:
> > > >> Spontaneous writing's fine for play
> > > >> But one cannot make art that way,
> > > >> I should have realized from the start.
> > > >>
> > > >> - gjd
> > > >
> > > > I cannot make a work of art,
> > > > because I’m simply not that smart.
> > > > I know what I would like to say,
> > > > but nothing comes out the right way.
> > > > My book won’t sell at the Walmart.
> > A shame, my book is doing well at Walmart:
> > https://www.walmart.com/ip/Selected-Poems-1976-2019-Paperback-9780994860019/796425131
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm smart. I write a work of art
> > > Most every time I have a fart,
> > > For farting makes me think of cheeses,
> > > Cheeses make me think of Jesus ...
> > > Thus my wisdom I impart.
> > ...
> That’s wonderful. Good luck with that.

His Fall was destin'd to a barren Strand,
A petty Fortress, and a dubious Hand;
He left the Name, at which the World grew pale,
To point a Moral, or adorn a Tale.
~~Samuel Johnson "The Vanity of Human Wishes"

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:57:39 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-06-22 11:29 a.m., HC wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 4:31:50 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> A Work of Art
> >>
> >> I tried to write a work of art
> >> With all my passion, all my heart,
> >> But no idea of what to say
> >> Or what I wanted to convey;
> >> My plans were doomed, and fell apart.
> >>
> >> It really wasn't very smart
> >> To take this trek without a chart:
> >> Spontaneous writing's fine for play
> >> But one cannot make art that way,
> >> I should have realized from the start.
> >>
> >> - gjd
> >
> > I cannot make a work of art,
> > because I’m simply not that smart.
> > I know what I would like to say,
> > but nothing comes out the right way.
> > My book won’t sell at the Walmart.
> >
>
> I'm smart. I write a work of art
> Most every time I have a fart,
> For farting makes me think of cheeses,
> Cheeses make me think of Jesus ...
> Thus my wisdom I impart.

I recognize that guy.

🙂

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 9:35:45 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:57:39 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-06-22 11:29 a.m., HC wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 4:31:50 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> A Work of Art
> > >>
> > >> I tried to write a work of art
> > >> With all my passion, all my heart,
> > >> But no idea of what to say
> > >> Or what I wanted to convey;
> > >> My plans were doomed, and fell apart.
> > >>
> > >> It really wasn't very smart
> > >> To take this trek without a chart:
> > >> Spontaneous writing's fine for play
> > >> But one cannot make art that way,
> > >> I should have realized from the start.
> > >>
> > >> - gjd
> > >
> > > I cannot make a work of art,
> > > because I’m simply not that smart.
> > > I know what I would like to say,
> > > but nothing comes out the right way.
> > > My book won’t sell at the Walmart.
> > >
> >
> > I'm smart. I write a work of art
> > Most every time I have a fart,
> > For farting makes me think of cheeses,
> > Cheeses make me think of Jesus ...
> > Thus my wisdom I impart.
> I recognize that guy.
>
> 🙂

I think he means me.

On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:15:21 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 6:18:20 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> >> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 9:21:24 AM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'll grant you, it does fizzle out some near me end.
> >> >
> >> Most things would die if they were near your rear end.
> >>
> >> That said, why didn't you make that comment in the first place, instead of seconding that it was excellent? It isn't excellent and needs work. Did you read the poem?
>
> > Because George was making a joke, it was a parody of a well known Usenet poet.
>
> > HTH and HAND.
> No names please... we have a truce....!

Pendragon's calling it a cease fire, if that counts.

🙂

On 2022-06-23 4:03 p.m., HC wrote:
> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 3:46:56 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 3:32:17 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> On 2022-06-22 12:00 a.m., Ilya Shambat wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, June 22, 2022 at 7:15:19 AM UTC+10, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Work of Art
>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried to write a work of art
>>>>>> With all my passion, all my heart,
>>>>>> But no idea of what to say
>>>>>> Or what I wanted to convey;
>>>>>> My plans were doomed, and fell apart.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It really wasn't very smart
>>>>>> To take this trek without a chart:
>>>>>> Spontaneous writing's fine for play
>>>>>> But one cannot make art that way,
>>>>>> I should have realized from the start.
>>>>>
>>>>>> - gjd
>>>>> Quite an excellent short poem....
>>>>
>>>> Yes, definitely.
>>> Thanks, Zod and Ilya.
>>>
>>> I'm glad you're reading, Ilya. There's been a dearth of poetry on the
>>> group lately, which I'm trying to do something about; and I'm glad to
>>> find evidence of readers.
>> I wouldn't say that there's been a dearth of poetry of late -- you just have to know where to look. The AYoS threads contain a great deal of AAPC member poetry -- much of it brand new/never before posted.
>>
>> That said, I do appreciate your efforts to bring AAPC's focus back to poetry.
>>
>> Unfortunately, you're effort to engage Ilya in a conversation is both futile and... strange... considering how H.C. and NancyGene have (unlike Ilya) actually shared some constructive criticism with you.
>>
>> Hopefully we can get a discussion going between them and yourself.
>
> I’d like to discuss use of the word spontaneous. Wouldn’t extemporaneous be more appropriate?

Perhaps, but it would be much harder to scan :)

Spontaneous writing, under whatever name, is definitely a thing these days:

"Intuitive writing, automatic writing, free-writing, stream of
consciousness, whatever you call it, spontaneous writing can be a very
powerful exercise in your writing practice."
"https://matadornetwork.com/notebook/write-spontaneously-to-unleash-your-inner-creativity/

One can even take courses on it:
https://bartleysec.moe.edu.sg/information/parents/spontaneous-writing