Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:

>. . .

>I will do nothing to reduce my so-called "carbon footprint," not
>even give up incandescant light bulbs in favor of LEDs.

Where are you buying incandescent light bulbs from? I haven't seen any
in stock in over a year, with the exception of some fancy ones I buy for
a reproduction exterior lamp.

In article <4bhshh1kimt5i8b2cdcfmj3jsomodek6b0@4ax.com>, The Horny Goat
<lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 20:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
> <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Fuels, whether derived from corn or oil refineries, are not damaging
> >the climate. "Climate change" is a result of the forces of nature at
> >work. Thinking we can take control of the earth's climate with this
> >kind of nonsense is like trying to stop a hurricane by farting into
> >the wind. CO2 is not pollution. Ask any plant.
> >
> >I will do nothing to reduce my so-called "carbon footprint," not
> >even give up incandescant light bulbs in favor of LEDs.
> >
> I rather like the LEDs because they typically last longer and consume
> less power while giving light at least as good. The fact that they are
> allegedly a smaller "footprint" to me is incidental.

We have a fair number of recessed ceiling lights in our kitchen and
upstairs. Not having to use a stepladder to change an Edison bulb
every few months is a godsend.

A Friend wrote:
>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>Sun, 11 Sep 2022 20:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>:

>>>Fuels, whether derived from corn or oil refineries, are not damaging
>>>the climate. "Climate change" is a result of the forces of nature at
>>>work. Thinking we can take control of the earth's climate with this
>>>kind of nonsense is like trying to stop a hurricane by farting into
>>>the wind. CO2 is not pollution. Ask any plant.

>>>I will do nothing to reduce my so-called "carbon footprint," not
>>>even give up incandescant light bulbs in favor of LEDs.

>>I rather like the LEDs because they typically last longer and consume
>>less power while giving light at least as good. The fact that they are
>>allegedly a smaller "footprint" to me is incidental.

>We have a fair number of recessed ceiling lights in our kitchen and
>upstairs. Not having to use a stepladder to change an Edison bulb
>every few months is a godsend.

Yeah. It's too bad that over a century ago, no one had invented a tool
with a long handle available at any lighting or electrical supply or
janitorial supply store that's used to change spotlights or the
reflector lights in recessed canister fixtures you have that saves the
trouble of carrying a ladder from place to place.

In article <tfnoj7$29vms$3@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> A Friend wrote:
> >The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> >>Sun, 11 Sep 2022 20:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>:
>
> >>>Fuels, whether derived from corn or oil refineries, are not damaging
> >>>the climate. "Climate change" is a result of the forces of nature at
> >>>work. Thinking we can take control of the earth's climate with this
> >>>kind of nonsense is like trying to stop a hurricane by farting into
> >>>the wind. CO2 is not pollution. Ask any plant.
>
> >>>I will do nothing to reduce my so-called "carbon footprint," not
> >>>even give up incandescant light bulbs in favor of LEDs.
>
> >>I rather like the LEDs because they typically last longer and consume
> >>less power while giving light at least as good. The fact that they are
> >>allegedly a smaller "footprint" to me is incidental.
>
> >We have a fair number of recessed ceiling lights in our kitchen and
> >upstairs. Not having to use a stepladder to change an Edison bulb
> >every few months is a godsend.
>
> Yeah. It's too bad that over a century ago, no one had invented a tool
> with a long handle available at any lighting or electrical supply or
> janitorial supply store that's used to change spotlights or the
> reflector lights in recessed canister fixtures you have that saves the
> trouble of carrying a ladder from place to place.

I know you're trying really hard to be a smartass, but the
extension-tool thing didn't work for us due to the rather odd
construction of the receptacle. Do you think I *enjoyed* climbing that
stepladder?

A Friend wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>A Friend wrote:
>>>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>11 Sep 2022 20:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>:

>>>>>Fuels, whether derived from corn or oil refineries, are not damaging
>>>>>the climate. "Climate change" is a result of the forces of nature at
>>>>>work. Thinking we can take control of the earth's climate with this
>>>>>kind of nonsense is like trying to stop a hurricane by farting into
>>>>>the wind. CO2 is not pollution. Ask any plant.

>>>>>I will do nothing to reduce my so-called "carbon footprint," not
>>>>>even give up incandescant light bulbs in favor of LEDs.

>>>>I rather like the LEDs because they typically last longer and consume
>>>>less power while giving light at least as good. The fact that they are
>>>>allegedly a smaller "footprint" to me is incidental.

>>>We have a fair number of recessed ceiling lights in our kitchen and
>>>upstairs. Not having to use a stepladder to change an Edison bulb
>>>every few months is a godsend.

>>Yeah. It's too bad that over a century ago, no one had invented a tool
>>with a long handle available at any lighting or electrical supply or
>>janitorial supply store that's used to change spotlights or the
>>reflector lights in recessed canister fixtures you have that saves the
>>trouble of carrying a ladder from place to place.

>I know you're trying really hard to be a smartass, but the
>extension-tool thing didn't work for us due to the rather odd
>construction of the receptacle. Do you think I *enjoyed* climbing that
>stepladder?

Ok. I'm specifically addressing the recessed canister fixtures you
mentioned that the tool is specific for.

I have to change bulbs in one light fixture in the living room for
accent lighting that are above the fixture and illuminate the ceiling
above. I have to use a six-foot ladder to reach that. I waited to change
the bulbs till that last one burnt out and it got its annual dusting.

Usually anything other than a high shelf I avoid the stepladder and use
a regular ladder. I just feel safer. I even bought a heavy-duty step
ladder that I saw grocery clerks using which actually has a safety rail
on it. I try to avoid falling off ladders.

On 9/12/2022 3:02 PM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <tfnoj7$29vms$3@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> A Friend wrote:
>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>> Sun, 11 Sep 2022 20:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
>>>> <rogblake@iname.invalid>:
>>
>>>>> Fuels, whether derived from corn or oil refineries, are not
>>>>> damaging the climate. "Climate change" is a result of the
>>>>> forces of nature at work. Thinking we can take control of the
>>>>> earth's climate with this kind of nonsense is like trying to
>>>>> stop a hurricane by farting into the wind. CO2 is not
>>>>> pollution. Ask any plant.
>>
>>>>> I will do nothing to reduce my so-called "carbon footprint,"
>>>>> not even give up incandescant light bulbs in favor of LEDs.
>>
>>>> I rather like the LEDs because they typically last longer and
>>>> consume less power while giving light at least as good. The
>>>> fact that they are allegedly a smaller "footprint" to me is
>>>> incidental.
>>
>>> We have a fair number of recessed ceiling lights in our kitchen
>>> and upstairs. Not having to use a stepladder to change an Edison
>>> bulb every few months is a godsend.
>>
>> Yeah. It's too bad that over a century ago, no one had invented a
>> tool with a long handle available at any lighting or electrical
>> supply or janitorial supply store that's used to change spotlights
>> or the reflector lights in recessed canister fixtures you have that
>> saves the trouble of carrying a ladder from place to place.
>
> I know you're trying really hard to be a smartass, but the
> extension-tool thing didn't work for us due to the rather odd
> construction of the receptacle.
>
> Do you think I *enjoyed* climbing that stepladder?

....and in the dark, no less?

On 9/12/2022 2:02 PM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <tfnoj7$29vms$3@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> A Friend wrote:
>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>> Sun, 11 Sep 2022 20:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid>:
>>
>>>>> Fuels, whether derived from corn or oil refineries, are not damaging
>>>>> the climate. "Climate change" is a result of the forces of nature at
>>>>> work. Thinking we can take control of the earth's climate with this
>>>>> kind of nonsense is like trying to stop a hurricane by farting into
>>>>> the wind. CO2 is not pollution. Ask any plant.
>>
>>>>> I will do nothing to reduce my so-called "carbon footprint," not
>>>>> even give up incandescant light bulbs in favor of LEDs.
>>
>>>> I rather like the LEDs because they typically last longer and consume
>>>> less power while giving light at least as good. The fact that they are
>>>> allegedly a smaller "footprint" to me is incidental.
>>
>>> We have a fair number of recessed ceiling lights in our kitchen and
>>> upstairs. Not having to use a stepladder to change an Edison bulb
>>> every few months is a godsend.
>>
>> Yeah. It's too bad that over a century ago, no one had invented a tool
>> with a long handle available at any lighting or electrical supply or
>> janitorial supply store that's used to change spotlights or the
>> reflector lights in recessed canister fixtures you have that saves the
>> trouble of carrying a ladder from place to place.
>
>
> I know you're trying really hard to be a smartass, but the
> extension-tool thing didn't work for us due to the rather odd
> construction of the receptacle. Do you think I *enjoyed* climbing that
> stepladder?

I believe in Adam H. Verman's Einsteinian thought experiment you did.

On 9/12/2022 3:29 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 9/12/2022 3:02 PM, A Friend wrote:
>> In article <tfnoj7$29vms$3@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A Friend wrote:
>>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>> Sun, 11 Sep 2022 20:00:15 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
>>>>> <rogblake@iname.invalid>:
>>>
>>>>>> Fuels, whether derived from corn or oil refineries, are not
>>>>>> damaging the climate. "Climate change" is a result of the
>>>>>> forces of nature at work. Thinking we can take control of the
>>>>>> earth's climate with this kind of nonsense is like trying to
>>>>>> stop a hurricane by farting into the wind. CO2 is not
>>>>>> pollution. Ask any plant.
>>>
>>>>>> I will do nothing to reduce my so-called "carbon footprint,"
>>>>>> not even give up incandescant light bulbs in favor of LEDs.
>>>
>>>>> I rather like the LEDs because they typically last longer and
>>>>> consume less power while giving light at least as good. The
>>>>> fact that they are allegedly a smaller "footprint" to me is
>>>>> incidental.
>>>
>>>> We have a fair number of recessed ceiling lights in our kitchen
>>>> and upstairs.  Not having to use a stepladder to change an Edison
>>>> bulb every few months is a godsend.
>>>
>>> Yeah. It's too bad that over a century ago, no one had invented a
>>> tool with a long handle available at any lighting or electrical
>>> supply or janitorial supply store that's used to change spotlights
>>> or the reflector lights in recessed canister fixtures you have that
>>> saves the trouble of carrying a ladder from place to place.
>>
>> I know you're trying really hard to be a smartass, but the
>> extension-tool thing didn't work for us due to the rather odd
>> construction of the receptacle.
>>
>> Do you think I *enjoyed* climbing that stepladder?
>
> ...and in the dark, no less?
>

Great Billy Squier song.

On Sun, 11 Sep 2022 20:39:50 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>Equally I doubt anyone needs to have it explained to them that trains
>>on a downgrade will move downhill when the brakes fail and god help
>>anyone below - in this case 47 dead somebodies.
>
>I just can't emphasize enough the entirely avoidable nature of this
>calamity was.

That's pretty much what the inquest said though I'm not aware charges
were ever brought.