In article <tgb91j$1cj8s$1@dont-email.me>,
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> >"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> >>>Sep 18, 2022 at 9:04:00 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> >>>>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> >>>>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>Amazing. You commit murder, the cops catch you, and you're back out on
> >>>>>>the street in an hour. On purpose. And they *know* they've created a
> >>>>>>monster. "There's still time to fix it," they say, but they passed it
> >>>>>>in the first place and are moving forward with implementation anyway.
> >>>>>>Insanity. Oh, no, wait... we call insanity "Progress!" now.
>
> >>>>>Didn't I write about this at the time it passed?
>
> >>>>btw, please admit that my state is clearly leading here.
>
> >>>Yes, you momentarily pulled ahead, but my state just passed legislation
> >>>that blatantly defies the 1st Amendment in such a bold way, I don't think
> >>>I've seen it's like in many years.
>
> >>>Behold AB 2282:
>
> >>>https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/AB2282/
>
> >>>Which makes it a crime to display any "hate symbol" either on public OR
> >>>PRIVATE PROPERTY if it "terrorizes someone".
>
> >>If it's not your property, no additional regulation is required.
> >>Vandalism laws apply.
>
> >They're talking about things like people wearing t-shirts or carrying
> >signs while walking down the street. Not private property, but not
> >affixing anything to something that doesn't belong to you, either.
>
> Waitaminit. Bodily autonomy applies only if you're seeking an abortion
> but not to wearing a t-shirt or hat?

Welcome to 'progressivism'.

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 10:11:22 PM UTC-4, A Friend wrote:
> In article <tgb5c5$19f2m$1...@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
> <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> > Hitler didn't invent the right-facing or clockwise swastika, as the bill
> > appears to acknowledge, yet still calling it "Nazi swastika". The bill
> > isn't even specific to the swastika as used on the flag with colors used
> > by the Nazi Party.
> >
> > Hell, the symbol is supposed to be a constellation of stars. Whom are
> > you going to arrest for putting it in the night sky?
> There is a museum of American Indian art in Phoenix. What we think of
> as swastikas are featured in the designs of blankets, clothing and so
> on of the Hopi and Navaho people, and there are many examples of them

> at the museum. (The symbols are actually sauwastikas, or "backwards"
> swastikas.)

Hebrew is written from right to left, so it's all good !

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> On Sep 18, 2022 at 9:04:00 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Amazing. You commit murder, the cops catch you, and you're back out on the
>>>> street in an hour. On purpose. And they *know* they've created a monster.
>>>> "There's still time to fix it," they say, but they passed it in the first
>>>> place and are moving forward with implementation anyway. Insanity. Oh, no,
>>>> wait... we call insanity "Progress!" now.
>>
>>> Didn't I write about this at the time it passed?
>>
>> btw, please admit that my state is clearly leading here.
>
> Yes, you momentarily pulled ahead, but my state just passed legislation that
blatantly defies the 1st Amendment in such a bold way, I don't think I've
seen
it's like in many years.
>
> Behold AB 2282:
>
> https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/AB2282/
>
> Which makes it a crime to display any "hate symbol" either on public OR
PRIVATE PROPERTY if it "terrorizes someone".
>

The head of BEYOND MEAT just got arrested on the charge of terrorism for
yelling that he was going to kill somebody who hit his car.

Also, he bit the guys nose, but it was plant-based.

> "Hate symbol" is, of course, left undefined. Some examples are given-- a Nazi
swastika, nooses,

There go my Halloween decorations

burning crosses or other desecrated religious symbols-- but
the bill specifically states that the definition is not limited to just
those
things. So they've left themselves room to add anything they don't like to
the
list as time goes on.
>
> Displaying a symbol the state has deemed to be hateful will now land you in
prison for up to three years and cost you as much as $15,000.
>
> (We can't get actual criminals even arrested-- let alone sent to prison--
these days and they're currently letting *murderers* out early, but this?
They'll happily lock you up for putting a picture of Pepe the Frog in your
front window. What do you suppose the over/under is on how long it'll take
before they decree that wearing one of those red Trump ballcaps is a "hate
symbol"?)
>
> Of course all this flies in the face of multiple SCOTUS 1st Amendment cases.
It's well-established that if you're a tremendous asshole, you have the
right
to fly the Confederate flag on your own property or even carry a Nazi flag
in
a parade down Main Street. (National Socialist Party of America v. Village
of
Skokie, 432 U.S. 43 (1977)
>
> I just don't understand how bills like this become law (and yes, Governor
Hair-Gel signed it, so it is indeed law now). Something like 90% of the
people
in the state assembly are lawyers. They have to know that state censorship
of
even appalling speech is unconstitutional, yet they go ahead and do it
anyway,
and they'll probably spend millions of tax dollars fighting a doomed
defense
of this abortion of a law all up through the court system, where
they'll
ultimately be told by the Supreme Court that they're idiots and of course
the
state can't imprison people for saying things they don't like.
>

>

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

On 9/19/2022 6:51 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Sep 18, 2022 at 9:04:00 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Amazing. You commit murder, the cops catch you, and you're back out on the
>>>> street in an hour. On purpose. And they *know* they've created a monster.
>>>> "There's still time to fix it," they say, but they passed it in the first
>>>> place and are moving forward with implementation anyway. Insanity. Oh, no,
>>>> wait... we call insanity "Progress!" now.
>>
>>> Didn't I write about this at the time it passed?
>>
>> btw, please admit that my state is clearly leading here.
>
> Yes, you momentarily pulled ahead, but my state just passed legislation that
> blatantly defies the 1st Amendment in such a bold way, I don't think I've seen
> it's like in many years.
>
> Behold AB 2282:
>
> https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/AB2282/
>
> Which makes it a crime to display any "hate symbol" either on public OR
> PRIVATE PROPERTY if it "terrorizes someone".
>
> "Hate symbol" is, of course, left undefined. Some examples are given-- a Nazi
> swastika, nooses, burning crosses or other desecrated religious symbols-- but
> the bill specifically states that the definition is not limited to just those
> things. So they've left themselves room to add anything they don't like to the
> list as time goes on.

Eunuch Derp continues to have no clue how the law works. It "defies the
First Amendment" when a judge rules that it does. Take the fucking case
to court if it bothers you you fucking pansy.

On 9/19/2022 9:11 PM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <tgb5c5$19f2m$1@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> Hitler didn't invent the right-facing or clockwise swastika, as the bill
>> appears to acknowledge, yet still calling it "Nazi swastika". The bill
>> isn't even specific to the swastika as used on the flag with colors used
>> by the Nazi Party.
>>
>> Hell, the symbol is supposed to be a constellation of stars. Whom are
>> you going to arrest for putting it in the night sky?
>
>
> There is a museum of American Indian art in Phoenix. What we think of
> as swastikas are featured in the designs of blankets, clothing and so
> on of the Hopi and Navaho people, and there are many examples of them
> at the museum. (The symbols are actually sauwastikas, or "backwards"
> swastikas.)

Indians are from India.

On 9/19/2022 9:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <tgb91j$1cj8s$1@dont-email.me>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> Sep 18, 2022 at 9:04:00 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> Amazing. You commit murder, the cops catch you, and you're back out on
>>>>>>>> the street in an hour. On purpose. And they *know* they've created a
>>>>>>>> monster. "There's still time to fix it," they say, but they passed it
>>>>>>>> in the first place and are moving forward with implementation anyway.
>>>>>>>> Insanity. Oh, no, wait... we call insanity "Progress!" now.
>>
>>>>>>> Didn't I write about this at the time it passed?
>>
>>>>>> btw, please admit that my state is clearly leading here.
>>
>>>>> Yes, you momentarily pulled ahead, but my state just passed legislation
>>>>> that blatantly defies the 1st Amendment in such a bold way, I don't think
>>>>> I've seen it's like in many years.
>>
>>>>> Behold AB 2282:
>>
>>>>> https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/AB2282/
>>
>>>>> Which makes it a crime to display any "hate symbol" either on public OR
>>>>> PRIVATE PROPERTY if it "terrorizes someone".
>>
>>>> If it's not your property, no additional regulation is required.
>>>> Vandalism laws apply.
>>
>>> They're talking about things like people wearing t-shirts or carrying
>>> signs while walking down the street. Not private property, but not
>>> affixing anything to something that doesn't belong to you, either.
>>
>> Waitaminit. Bodily autonomy applies only if you're seeking an abortion
>> but not to wearing a t-shirt or hat?
>
> Welcome to 'progressivism'.

Holy balls, you motherfuckers are so appallingly stupid you think there
are laws against wearing articles of clothing? Or are you so
appallingly stupid as to think abortion sends the same message as one of
the Oath Keepers with a t-shirt that says "nigger" on it? I love this
group, I see shit I never even dreamed could be stupid enough to say!!

In article <tgbvol$17or$5@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com>
wrote:

> On 9/19/2022 9:11 PM, A Friend wrote:
> > In article <tgb5c5$19f2m$1@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
> > <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hitler didn't invent the right-facing or clockwise swastika, as the bill
> >> appears to acknowledge, yet still calling it "Nazi swastika". The bill
> >> isn't even specific to the swastika as used on the flag with colors used
> >> by the Nazi Party.
> >>
> >> Hell, the symbol is supposed to be a constellation of stars. Whom are
> >> you going to arrest for putting it in the night sky?
> >
> >
> > There is a museum of American Indian art in Phoenix. What we think of
> > as swastikas are featured in the designs of blankets, clothing and so
> > on of the Hopi and Navaho people, and there are many examples of them
> > at the museum. (The symbols are actually sauwastikas, or "backwards"
> > swastikas.)
>
>
> Indians are from India.

The name of the institution is the Heard Museum, "dedicated to the
advancement of American Indian art." Go argue with them.

In article <atropos-5D91F1.19441419092022@news.giganews.com>, BTR1701
<atropos@mac.com> wrote:

> In article <tgb91j$1cj8s$1@dont-email.me>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> > BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> > >"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> > >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> > >>>Sep 18, 2022 at 9:04:00 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> > >>>>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>>Amazing. You commit murder, the cops catch you, and you're back out
> > >>>>>>on
> > >>>>>>the street in an hour. On purpose. And they *know* they've created a
> > >>>>>>monster. "There's still time to fix it," they say, but they passed it
> > >>>>>>in the first place and are moving forward with implementation anyway.
> > >>>>>>Insanity. Oh, no, wait... we call insanity "Progress!" now.
> >
> > >>>>>Didn't I write about this at the time it passed?
> >
> > >>>>btw, please admit that my state is clearly leading here.
> >
> > >>>Yes, you momentarily pulled ahead, but my state just passed legislation
> > >>>that blatantly defies the 1st Amendment in such a bold way, I don't think
> > >>>I've seen it's like in many years.
> >
> > >>>Behold AB 2282:
> >
> > >>>https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/AB2282/
> >
> > >>>Which makes it a crime to display any "hate symbol" either on public OR
> > >>>PRIVATE PROPERTY if it "terrorizes someone".
> >
> > >>If it's not your property, no additional regulation is required.
> > >>Vandalism laws apply.
> >
> > >They're talking about things like people wearing t-shirts or carrying
> > >signs while walking down the street. Not private property, but not
> > >affixing anything to something that doesn't belong to you, either.
> >
> > Waitaminit. Bodily autonomy applies only if you're seeking an abortion
> > but not to wearing a t-shirt or hat?
>
> Welcome to 'progressivism'.

Oh, you guys got there decades ago. Cf. "Fuck the War" T-shirts, etc.

A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
> In article <tgbvol$17or$5@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/19/2022 9:11 PM, A Friend wrote:
>>> In article <tgb5c5$19f2m$1@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hitler didn't invent the right-facing or clockwise swastika, as the bill
>>>> appears to acknowledge, yet still calling it "Nazi swastika". The bill
>>>> isn't even specific to the swastika as used on the flag with colors used
>>>> by the Nazi Party.
>>>>
>>>> Hell, the symbol is supposed to be a constellation of stars. Whom are
>>>> you going to arrest for putting it in the night sky?
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a museum of American Indian art in Phoenix. What we think of
>>> as swastikas are featured in the designs of blankets, clothing and so
>>> on of the Hopi and Navaho people, and there are many examples of them
>>> at the museum. (The symbols are actually sauwastikas, or "backwards"
>>> swastikas.)
>>
>>
>> Indians are from India.
>
>
> The name of the institution is the Heard Museum, "dedicated to the
> advancement of American Indian art." Go argue with them.
>

It’s a place parents drag their kids to punish them.

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

A Friend wrote:
>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>>>. . .

>>>Waitaminit. Bodily autonomy applies only if you're seeking an abortion
>>>but not to wearing a t-shirt or hat?

>>Welcome to 'progressivism'.

>Oh, you guys got there decades ago. Cf. "Fuck the War" T-shirts, etc.

The point I made completely whooshed by you. Also, poor Mr. Schenck
actually did go to prison for being offensive to the president of the
United States whilst leafletting, defined in law as a violation of the
Espionage Act. So, no, this didn't originate with the Viet Nam War era
either.

In article <200920220747135211%nope@noway.com>,
A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:

> In article <atropos-5D91F1.19441419092022@news.giganews.com>, BTR1701
> <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <tgb91j$1cj8s$1@dont-email.me>,
> > "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> > > >"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> > > >>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> > > >>>Sep 18, 2022 at 9:04:00 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >>>>>> Amazing. You commit murder, the cops catch you, and you're back
> > > >>>>>> out on the street in an hour. On purpose. And they *know*
> > > >>>>>> they've created a monster. "There's still time to fix it," they
> > > >>>>>> say, but they passed it in the first place and are moving
> > > >>>>>> forward with implementation anyway.

> > > >>>>>> Insanity. Oh, no, wait... we call insanity "Progress!" now.
> > >
> > > >>>>> Didn't I write about this at the time it passed?
> > >
> > > >>>> btw, please admit that my state is clearly leading here.
> > >
> > > >>> Yes, you momentarily pulled ahead, but my state just passed
> > > >>> legislation that blatantly defies the 1st Amendment in such a bold
> > > >>> way, I don't think I've seen it's like in many years.
> > >
> > > >>>Behold AB 2282:
> > >
> > > >>>https://openstates.org/ca/bills/20212022/AB2282/
> > >
> > > >>> Which makes it a crime to display any "hate symbol" either on public
> > > >>> OR PRIVATE PROPERTY if it "terrorizes someone".
> > >
> > > >> If it's not your property, no additional regulation is required.
> > > >> Vandalism laws apply.
> > >
> > > > They're talking about things like people wearing t-shirts or carrying
> > > > signs while walking down the street. Not private property, but not
> > > > affixing anything to something that doesn't belong to you, either.
> > >
> > > Waitaminit. Bodily autonomy applies only if you're seeking an abortion
> > > but not to wearing a t-shirt or hat?
> >
> > Welcome to 'progressivism'.
>
> Oh, you guys got there decades ago. Cf. "Fuck the War" T-shirts, etc.

Which, incidentally, were held to be protected speech by the Court.

On 9/20/2022 6:45 AM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <tgbvol$17or$5@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/19/2022 9:11 PM, A Friend wrote:
>>> In article <tgb5c5$19f2m$1@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hitler didn't invent the right-facing or clockwise swastika, as the bill
>>>> appears to acknowledge, yet still calling it "Nazi swastika". The bill
>>>> isn't even specific to the swastika as used on the flag with colors used
>>>> by the Nazi Party.
>>>>
>>>> Hell, the symbol is supposed to be a constellation of stars. Whom are
>>>> you going to arrest for putting it in the night sky?
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a museum of American Indian art in Phoenix. What we think of
>>> as swastikas are featured in the designs of blankets, clothing and so
>>> on of the Hopi and Navaho people, and there are many examples of them
>>> at the museum. (The symbols are actually sauwastikas, or "backwards"
>>> swastikas.)
>>
>>
>> Indians are from India.
>
>
> The name of the institution is the Heard Museum, "dedicated to the
> advancement of American Indian art." Go argue with them.

No. The NAACP doesn't need to change it's name either but for some
reason we no longer call blacks "colored people." Hope this helps.

In article <tgd9o9$1iv8$2@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com>
wrote:

> On 9/20/2022 6:45 AM, A Friend wrote:
> > In article <tgbvol$17or$5@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/19/2022 9:11 PM, A Friend wrote:
> >>> In article <tgb5c5$19f2m$1@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
> >>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hitler didn't invent the right-facing or clockwise swastika, as the bill
> >>>> appears to acknowledge, yet still calling it "Nazi swastika". The bill
> >>>> isn't even specific to the swastika as used on the flag with colors used
> >>>> by the Nazi Party.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hell, the symbol is supposed to be a constellation of stars. Whom are
> >>>> you going to arrest for putting it in the night sky?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There is a museum of American Indian art in Phoenix. What we think of
> >>> as swastikas are featured in the designs of blankets, clothing and so
> >>> on of the Hopi and Navaho people, and there are many examples of them
> >>> at the museum. (The symbols are actually sauwastikas, or "backwards"
> >>> swastikas.)
> >>
> >>
> >> Indians are from India.
> >
> >
> > The name of the institution is the Heard Museum, "dedicated to the
> > advancement of American Indian art." Go argue with them.
>
>
> No. The NAACP doesn't need to change it's name either but for some
> reason we no longer call blacks "colored people." Hope this helps.

One has nothing to do with the other. Now go to the museum and argue
with them.

On 9/20/2022 8:58 PM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <tgd9o9$1iv8$2@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/20/2022 6:45 AM, A Friend wrote:
>>> In article <tgbvol$17or$5@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/19/2022 9:11 PM, A Friend wrote:
>>>>> In article <tgb5c5$19f2m$1@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hitler didn't invent the right-facing or clockwise swastika, as the bill
>>>>>> appears to acknowledge, yet still calling it "Nazi swastika". The bill
>>>>>> isn't even specific to the swastika as used on the flag with colors used
>>>>>> by the Nazi Party.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hell, the symbol is supposed to be a constellation of stars. Whom are
>>>>>> you going to arrest for putting it in the night sky?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a museum of American Indian art in Phoenix. What we think of
>>>>> as swastikas are featured in the designs of blankets, clothing and so
>>>>> on of the Hopi and Navaho people, and there are many examples of them
>>>>> at the museum. (The symbols are actually sauwastikas, or "backwards"
>>>>> swastikas.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Indians are from India.
>>>
>>>
>>> The name of the institution is the Heard Museum, "dedicated to the
>>> advancement of American Indian art." Go argue with them.
>>
>>
>> No. The NAACP doesn't need to change it's name either but for some
>> reason we no longer call blacks "colored people." Hope this helps.
>
>
> One has nothing to do with the other. Now go to the museum and argue
> with them.

Et tu, Friend? Suddenly your logic and reasoning is on the fritz? I
made a valid point, since its website says it was founded in '29, they
are sort of grandfathered into the use of this outdated "term". I tell
you what I will do, though, I follow an indigenous guy on Twitter who
calls himself "Lakota Man" who is quite vocal about these things to see
what he thinks. I don't have a beef with you for using the museum's own
description.

In article <tgej4b$o2a$1@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com>
wrote:

> On 9/20/2022 8:58 PM, A Friend wrote:
> > In article <tgd9o9$1iv8$2@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/20/2022 6:45 AM, A Friend wrote:
> >>> In article <tgbvol$17or$5@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 9/19/2022 9:11 PM, A Friend wrote:
> >>>>> In article <tgb5c5$19f2m$1@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
> >>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hitler didn't invent the right-facing or clockwise swastika, as the
> >>>>>> bill
> >>>>>> appears to acknowledge, yet still calling it "Nazi swastika". The bill
> >>>>>> isn't even specific to the swastika as used on the flag with colors
> >>>>>> used
> >>>>>> by the Nazi Party.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hell, the symbol is supposed to be a constellation of stars. Whom are
> >>>>>> you going to arrest for putting it in the night sky?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is a museum of American Indian art in Phoenix. What we think of
> >>>>> as swastikas are featured in the designs of blankets, clothing and so
> >>>>> on of the Hopi and Navaho people, and there are many examples of them
> >>>>> at the museum. (The symbols are actually sauwastikas, or "backwards"
> >>>>> swastikas.)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Indians are from India.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The name of the institution is the Heard Museum, "dedicated to the
> >>> advancement of American Indian art." Go argue with them.
> >>
> >>
> >> No. The NAACP doesn't need to change it's name either but for some
> >> reason we no longer call blacks "colored people." Hope this helps.
> >
> >
> > One has nothing to do with the other. Now go to the museum and argue
> > with them.
>
>
> Et tu, Friend? Suddenly your logic and reasoning is on the fritz? I
> made a valid point, since its website says it was founded in '29, they
> are sort of grandfathered into the use of this outdated "term". I tell
> you what I will do, though, I follow an indigenous guy on Twitter who
> calls himself "Lakota Man" who is quite vocal about these things to see
> what he thinks. I don't have a beef with you for using the museum's own
> description.

I should have capitalized the M in museum when I said "There is a
museum of American Indian art in Phoenix." I don't think it was named
for Heard when I was there almost fifty years ago.

All this nonsense aside, it's a very good museum. I spent hours there
and wished I'd had more time.

A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
> In article <tgej4b$o2a$1@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/20/2022 8:58 PM, A Friend wrote:
>>> In article <tgd9o9$1iv8$2@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/20/2022 6:45 AM, A Friend wrote:
>>>>> In article <tgbvol$17or$5@gioia.aioe.org>, trotsky <gmsingh@email.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/19/2022 9:11 PM, A Friend wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <tgb5c5$19f2m$1@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hitler didn't invent the right-facing or clockwise swastika, as the
>>>>>>>> bill
>>>>>>>> appears to acknowledge, yet still calling it "Nazi swastika". The bill
>>>>>>>> isn't even specific to the swastika as used on the flag with colors
>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>> by the Nazi Party.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hell, the symbol is supposed to be a constellation of stars. Whom are
>>>>>>>> you going to arrest for putting it in the night sky?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a museum of American Indian art in Phoenix. What we think of
>>>>>>> as swastikas are featured in the designs of blankets, clothing and so
>>>>>>> on of the Hopi and Navaho people, and there are many examples of them
>>>>>>> at the museum. (The symbols are actually sauwastikas, or "backwards"
>>>>>>> swastikas.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indians are from India.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The name of the institution is the Heard Museum, "dedicated to the
>>>>> advancement of American Indian art." Go argue with them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No. The NAACP doesn't need to change it's name either but for some
>>>> reason we no longer call blacks "colored people." Hope this helps.
>>>
>>>
>>> One has nothing to do with the other. Now go to the museum and argue
>>> with them.
>>
>>
>> Et tu, Friend? Suddenly your logic and reasoning is on the fritz? I
>> made a valid point, since its website says it was founded in '29, they
>> are sort of grandfathered into the use of this outdated "term". I tell
>> you what I will do, though, I follow an indigenous guy on Twitter who
>> calls himself "Lakota Man" who is quite vocal about these things to see
>> what he thinks. I don't have a beef with you for using the museum's own
>> description.
>
>
> I should have capitalized the M in museum when I said "There is a
> museum of American Indian art in Phoenix." I don't think it was named
> for Heard when I was there almost fifty years ago.

Oh sure it was. It was the Heard Museum when they used to drag me there 60
years ago.

Looking at Ian‘s Wikipedia article…

It was established by the Heards in 1929. One assumes it’s always had that
name.

>
> All this nonsense aside, it's a very good museum. I spent hours there
> and wished I'd had more time.
>

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