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* guitar supportBernie Cosell
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+- Re: guitar supportTed Haskell
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| `* Re: guitar supportBernie Cosell
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|   `* Re: guitar supportBernie Cosell
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`* Re: guitar supportPaul Carmichael
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 | `* Re: guitar supportKen Blake
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From: Ken...@invalid.news.com (Ken Blake)
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Subject: Re: guitar support
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 by: Ken Blake - Wed, 2 Nov 2022 15:45 UTC

On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 09:13:52 -0400, Bernie Cosell
<bernie@fantasyfarm.com> wrote:

>Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>
>} On 9/6/22 05:35, Bernie Cosell wrote:
>} > I need to replace my footstool with a guitar support. I know nothing
>} > about them [in fact, until I looked them up on stringsbymail I didn't even
>} > know they were called "guitar supports" and there are a zillion different
>} > [but mostly similar] types of them].
>} >
>} > I was looking at this one:
>} >
>} > https://www.stringsbymail.com/de-oro-classica-guitar-support-martini-frame-brass-brown-24040.html
>} >
>} > is it a reasonable choice? They seem to range in price from ~$25 to more
>} > than $100. and there are various different layouts. Any advice? Thanks!!
>}
>} Did you buy that one? What do you think of it?
>
>Yes I did, and I love it. I'll never go back to using a !%$#@$% foot
>stool.
>
>} Or if you bought a different one, what did you choose and how do you
>} like it?
>
>I also bought an ergoplay and I didn't like it [it was the less-expensive
>one] - i couldn't get to hold my guitar at the proper angle and so my left
>hand was all messed up. My guitar instructor likes the more expensive one
>and I might try it, but I'm not all that impelled to try it, since I like
>the martini one.
>
>} So let me ask you, and anyone else here, whether my thought of using a
>} support rather than a food rest is a good idea and would help keep the
>} guitar more upright in the proper position.
>
>I think they do. Since they are *holding* the guitar, rather than its just
>being in a particular place at a particular angle, I'd expect that they'd
>help hold your guitar upright.

Thanks very much. Based on your recommendation, I just ordered one. Do
you know about how long it will take for it to arrive?

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 by: Ken Blake - Wed, 2 Nov 2022 16:27 UTC

On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 08:45:12 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Nov 2022 09:13:52 -0400, Bernie Cosell
><bernie@fantasyfarm.com> wrote:
>
>>Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>
>>} On 9/6/22 05:35, Bernie Cosell wrote:
>>} > I need to replace my footstool with a guitar support. I know nothing
>>} > about them [in fact, until I looked them up on stringsbymail I didn't even
>>} > know they were called "guitar supports" and there are a zillion different
>>} > [but mostly similar] types of them].
>>} >
>>} > I was looking at this one:
>>} >
>>} > https://www.stringsbymail.com/de-oro-classica-guitar-support-martini-frame-brass-brown-24040.html
>>} >
>>} > is it a reasonable choice? They seem to range in price from ~$25 to more
>>} > than $100. and there are various different layouts. Any advice? Thanks!!
>>}
>>} Did you buy that one? What do you think of it?
>>
>>Yes I did, and I love it. I'll never go back to using a !%$#@$% foot
>>stool.
>>
>>} Or if you bought a different one, what did you choose and how do you
>>} like it?
>>
>>I also bought an ergoplay and I didn't like it [it was the less-expensive
>>one] - i couldn't get to hold my guitar at the proper angle and so my left
>>hand was all messed up. My guitar instructor likes the more expensive one
>>and I might try it, but I'm not all that impelled to try it, since I like
>>the martini one.
>>
>>} So let me ask you, and anyone else here, whether my thought of using a
>>} support rather than a food rest is a good idea and would help keep the
>>} guitar more upright in the proper position.
>>
>>I think they do. Since they are *holding* the guitar, rather than its just
>>being in a particular place at a particular angle, I'd expect that they'd
>>help hold your guitar upright.
>
>
>Thanks very much. Based on your recommendation, I just ordered one. Do
>you know about how long it will take for it to arrive?

Ignore that question. I just got an e-mail from them that said 2-5
days.

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 by: Bernie Cosell - Fri, 4 Nov 2022 23:01 UTC

Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

}
} Thanks very much. Based on your recommendation, I just ordered one. Do
} you know about how long it will take for it to arrive?

If you ordered the Martini from StringsbyMail, you'll have it less than a
week! SbM is very very good at promptly shipping stuff out....

/Bernie\
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Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers
bernie@fantasyfarm.com Pearisburg, VA
--> Too many people, too few sheep <--

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 by: Ken Blake - Sat, 5 Nov 2022 14:14 UTC

On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 19:01:50 -0400, Bernie Cosell
<bernie@fantasyfarm.com> wrote:

>Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>
>}
>} Thanks very much. Based on your recommendation, I just ordered one. Do
>} you know about how long it will take for it to arrive?
>
>If you ordered the Martini from StringsbyMail, you'll have it less than a
>week! SbM is very very good at promptly shipping stuff out...

Thanks. It arrived yesterday. I'll be trying it soon.

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From: ber...@fantasyfarm.com (Bernie Cosell)
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 by: Bernie Cosell - Tue, 6 Sep 2022 12:35 UTC

I need to replace my footstool with a guitar support. I know nothing
about them [in fact, until I looked them up on stringsbymail I didn't even
know they were called "guitar supports" and there are a zillion different
[but mostly similar] types of them].

I was looking at this one:

https://www.stringsbymail.com/de-oro-classica-guitar-support-martini-frame-brass-brown-24040.html

is it a reasonable choice? They seem to range in price from ~$25 to more
than $100. and there are various different layouts. Any advice? Thanks!!

/Bernie\
--
Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers
bernie@fantasyfarm.com Pearisburg, VA
--> Too many people, too few sheep <--

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Tue, 6 Sep 2022 13:46 UTC

El Tue, 06 Sep 2022 08:35:43 -0400, Bernie Cosell escribió:

> I need to replace my footstool with a guitar support. I know nothing
> about them [in fact, until I looked them up on stringsbymail I didn't
> even know they were called "guitar supports" and there are a zillion
> different [but mostly similar] types of them].
>
> I was looking at this one:
>
> https://www.stringsbymail.com/de-oro-classica-guitar-support-martini-
frame-brass-brown-24040.html
>
> is it a reasonable choice? They seem to range in price from ~$25 to
> more than $100. and there are various different layouts. Any advice?
> Thanks!!

In the spirit of recommending what one owns, Sageworks.

I played for one year with footstool and it did me lasting damage.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 6 Sep 2022 14:31 UTC

On 6 Sep 2022 13:46:20 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
wrote:

>El Tue, 06 Sep 2022 08:35:43 -0400, Bernie Cosell escribió:
>
>> I need to replace my footstool with a guitar support. I know nothing
>> about them [in fact, until I looked them up on stringsbymail I didn't
>> even know they were called "guitar supports" and there are a zillion
>> different [but mostly similar] types of them].
>>
>> I was looking at this one:
>>
>> https://www.stringsbymail.com/de-oro-classica-guitar-support-martini-
>frame-brass-brown-24040.html
>>
>> is it a reasonable choice? They seem to range in price from ~$25 to
>> more than $100. and there are various different layouts. Any advice?
>> Thanks!!
>
>In the spirit of recommending what one owns, Sageworks.
>
>I played for one year with footstool and it did me lasting damage.

What was the lasting damage the footstool did? I always played with a
footstool, then bought and switched to a support about four years ago.
After about a year, I realized that the support was making me very
uncomfortable and I went back to the footstool.

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 by: Paul Carmichael - Tue, 6 Sep 2022 15:00 UTC

El Tue, 06 Sep 2022 07:31:30 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:

> On 6 Sep 2022 13:46:20 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>El Tue, 06 Sep 2022 08:35:43 -0400, Bernie Cosell escribió:
>>
>>> I need to replace my footstool with a guitar support. I know nothing
>>> about them [in fact, until I looked them up on stringsbymail I didn't
>>> even know they were called "guitar supports" and there are a zillion
>>> different [but mostly similar] types of them].
>>>
>>> I was looking at this one:
>>>
>>> https://www.stringsbymail.com/de-oro-classica-guitar-support-martini-
>>frame-brass-brown-24040.html
>>>
>>> is it a reasonable choice? They seem to range in price from ~$25 to
>>> more than $100. and there are various different layouts. Any
>>> advice?
>>> Thanks!!
>>
>>In the spirit of recommending what one owns, Sageworks.
>>
>>I played for one year with footstool and it did me lasting damage.
>
> What was the lasting damage the footstool did? I always played with a
> footstool, then bought and switched to a support about four years ago.
> After about a year, I realized that the support was making me very
> uncomfortable and I went back to the footstool.

Serious back pain. It doesn't affect most people, but I know quite a few
that it has affected.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

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 by: Ken Blake - Tue, 6 Sep 2022 15:13 UTC

On 6 Sep 2022 15:00:12 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
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>El Tue, 06 Sep 2022 07:31:30 -0700, Ken Blake escribió:
>
>> On 6 Sep 2022 13:46:20 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>El Tue, 06 Sep 2022 08:35:43 -0400, Bernie Cosell escribió:
>>>
>>>> I need to replace my footstool with a guitar support. I know nothing
>>>> about them [in fact, until I looked them up on stringsbymail I didn't
>>>> even know they were called "guitar supports" and there are a zillion
>>>> different [but mostly similar] types of them].
>>>>
>>>> I was looking at this one:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.stringsbymail.com/de-oro-classica-guitar-support-martini-
>>>frame-brass-brown-24040.html
>>>>
>>>> is it a reasonable choice? They seem to range in price from ~$25 to
>>>> more than $100. and there are various different layouts. Any
>>>> advice?
>>>> Thanks!!
>>>
>>>In the spirit of recommending what one owns, Sageworks.
>>>
>>>I played for one year with footstool and it did me lasting damage.
>>
>> What was the lasting damage the footstool did? I always played with a
>> footstool, then bought and switched to a support about four years ago.
>> After about a year, I realized that the support was making me very
>> uncomfortable and I went back to the footstool.
>
>Serious back pain. It doesn't affect most people, but I know quite a few
>that it has affected.

Ok, not to disagree, but are you sure that was the cause of the back
pain? Many people (me for example) get back pain as they get older. In
my case, it's caused by spinal stenosis.

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Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:

} In the spirit of recommending what one owns, Sageworks.

That looks like a great support! I'm concerned about trying to glue
magnets inside my guitar -- was that easier to do than it sounds like?
Is seems like it is tricky...

Found the howto video

https://vimeo.com/62797844

it's very clever how he does it. Two things that are misleading in it.

First, that you can do it with the guitar still strung. I certainly
couldn't do that [big clumsy hands and with my luck I'd break a string
:o)]. If I'm going to loosen the strings so much that I can get my hand
through, I'd just as soon take the opportunity to put on a new set :o)

Second: getting it off. I'm very familiar with command strips [we use
them for everything :o)] and it is *hard/tricky* to get command strips off
cleanly. If you watch the video, imagine what he's doing but through the
sound hole of the guitar. And if you don't pull the tab _just_right_ it
disconnects from the rest of adhesive strip and you're done in. [as he
demonstrates, you need to pull the strip to the side, but that hasn't
worked well for me in practice [I have a few places where I ended up with a
bit of pain pulled off the wall :(] and that's pulling the in the normal
direction -- straight. Obviously you can't to that for the support magnets
-- you'd have to pull the tab up through the sound board -- and if you tear
the strip there's no way you could get inside your guitar body to try to
peel it off. my guess is it best to consider the installation
permanent..:o)

BUT: I have to admit that it looks like a *great* support.. now I gotta go
think about it.

Thanks for the pointer!!

/Bernie\
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 by: John - Wed, 7 Sep 2022 05:59 UTC

I've used a Dynarette cushion for a long time and it's just right. Strings By Mail shows some less expensive ones from Oasis. I used to use a footstool but found the position uncomfortable and the many comments I heard seemed plausible, that it can lead to back pain.

John R.

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