We have some feminists claiming that coercion toward beauty leads to misogyny and abuse. Denigration of beauty leads to both much more reliably.

A man comes across a beautiful woman. He is attracted to her, but his values are against her and everything that she is about. His likes and his values are in discord. What he wants, and what he values, are incompatible with each other. He can either get what he wants but doesn’t value, or he can get what he values but does not want. In either case he is unhappy.

So he gets what he wants, but he is against what he wants. He becomes the woman’s enemy. He turns violent and abusive. He makes her miserable; he makes himself miserable. Eventually the woman gets up the courage to leave him. At which point he becomes vindictive and does everything in his power to mess up her life.

The biggest victims of anti-beauty attitudes are therefore beautiful women. As feminist-influenced men and women reject them, they have nowhere to go except men who are actual misogynists and actual abusers. The man knows that the woman is not going to get support from society, so he feels like he can do to her whatever he likes.

Now it may very well be that it is wrong to discriminate in favour of beauty; but it most certainly is wrong to discriminate against it. And that is what we see here. The beautiful women are being treated as less than human and end up living shit lives. And that is not only bad for them. It is bad for the civilization. The best things in it get destroyed, and their benefit is denied to other people.

Saying such things is not only not misogyny; it is the opposite of misogyny.. It is a labour of love. It is loving whom one loves enough to go to bat for them and put vast intellectual effort into addressing their concerns while confronting bullying and nastiness by any number of people.

As for myself, my likes and values are in accord. I both like and value beauty – in women yes, but also in such things as nature and art. I do not have to choose between what I like and what I value; I like and value the same things. I both like and value the women I love. And it is a stance that can be beneficial to many, many people.

Beauty should be valued and respected. Denigration of beauty has to stop, and abuse against beautiful women must be brought to a halt. Beautiful women should be treated at least as well as other women.

Making that possible, becomes the labour of love.

On Saturday, August 13, 2022 at 10:42:17 AM UTC-4, ibsh...@gmail.com wrote:
> We have some feminists claiming that coercion toward beauty leads to misogyny and abuse. Denigration of beauty leads to both much more reliably.

Coercion means the use of physical force (a gun to the head, for example). To apply it to an upper brain vs lower brain situation is almost as ridiculous as the Donkey whining about "identity theft" whenever a troll imitates him or his friends.

Your claim that denigration (negative criticism) of beauty "leads to misogyny and abuse" is even more ridiculous.

> A man comes across a beautiful woman. He is attracted to her, but his values are against her and everything that she is about.

Is she an axe murderer?

What "values" are you talking about?

Does she go for wife-swapping and orgies while he's strictly monogamous?

Since the topic is (supposedly) the denigration of beauty, the logical conclusion would be that he's a Quaker and wants her to stop wearing makeup.

> His likes and his values are in discord. What he wants, and what he values, are incompatible with each other. He can either get what he wants but doesn’t value, or he can get what he values but does not want. In either case he is unhappy.
>

Since you've failed to explain what you mean by "values," your above conclusion is... valueless.

> So he gets what he wants, but he is against what he wants. He becomes the woman’s enemy. He turns violent and abusive. He makes her miserable; he makes himself miserable. Eventually the woman gets up the courage to leave him. At which point he becomes vindictive and does everything in his power to mess up her life.
>

So... he gets sex, but thinks sex is a sin... and beats his wife for having sex with him?

I suppose there are a handful of mentally ill religious fanatics who fall into this category... but they are more in need of psychiatric help than an essay.

> The biggest victims of anti-beauty attitudes are therefore beautiful women. As feminist-influenced men and women reject them, they have nowhere to go except men who are actual misogynists and actual abusers. The man knows that the woman is not going to get support from society, so he feels like he can do to her whatever he likes.
>

ROTFLMAO! What men are rejecting beautiful women?

And you must think there are a helluva lot of violent misogynists out there, if all the beautiful, rejected women can turn to them for love/companionship.

> Now it may very well be that it is wrong to discriminate in favour of beauty; but it most certainly is wrong to discriminate against it. And that is what we see here. The beautiful women are being treated as less than human and end up living shit lives. And that is not only bad for them. It is bad for the civilization. The best things in it get destroyed, and their benefit is denied to other people.
>

I don't know how things are in Australia, but in the U.S., no one is discriminating against beautiful women:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2021/11/04/attractive-people-have-a-big-advantage-in-the-job-interview/?sh=1a6d70622b9a

https://www.businessinsider.com/beautiful-people-make-more-money-2014-11

https://hbr.org/2019/10/attractive-people-get-unfair-advantages-at-work-ai-can-help

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/attractive-people-advantage-workplace-15421..html

https://wol.iza.org/press-releases/does-it-pay-to-be-beautiful

*I have just refuted your statement and provided sources that similarly refute your claim.

What sources, if any, have you got to support your claim?

> Saying such things is not only not misogyny; it is the opposite of misogyny. It is a labour of love. It is loving whom one loves enough to go to bat for them and put vast intellectual effort into addressing their concerns while confronting bullying and nastiness by any number of people.
>

Enter the White Knight, Sir Ilya Spambot, selfless champion of beautiful everywhere!

> As for myself, my likes and values are in accord. I both like and value beauty – in women yes, but also in such things as nature and art. I do not have to choose between what I like and what I value; I like and value the same things. I both like and value the women I love. And it is a stance that can be beneficial to many, many people.
>

IOW: You're saying that as long as a woman is beautiful, all ethical, moral, intellectual, political and religious differences are of little-to-no consequence. You are a superficial, testosterone-driven misogynist who sees, and values, women solely in terms of their sexual appeal. Your lower brain and upper brain are in accord.

> Beauty should be valued and respected. Denigration of beauty has to stop, and abuse against beautiful women must be brought to a halt. Beautiful women should be treated at least as well as other women.
>
> Making that possible, becomes the labour of love.

Sir Spambot to the rescue!

Heigh-ho, Schmeckle -- Away!