Rocksolid Light

Welcome to novaBBS (click a section below)

mail  files  register  newsreader  groups  login

Message-ID:  

The best things in life go on sale sooner or later.

arts / alt.arts.poetry.comments / Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

SubjectAuthor
* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
`* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 +* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |`* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 | `* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |  `* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |   `* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |    `* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |     +- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |     `* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |      `* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |       `* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |        `* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |         `* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |          `* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |           `* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            +* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |            |+* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            ||`- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            |+* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |            ||`- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"W-Dockery
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            |+- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 |            |`- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Will Dockery
 |            `- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com
 `* Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"Victor H.
  `- Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"jdcha...@gmail.com

Pages:12
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=164232&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#164232

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:d68:b0:479:90e7:37d1 with SMTP id 8-20020a0562140d6800b0047990e737d1mr1729847qvs.73.1660818516183;
Thu, 18 Aug 2022 03:28:36 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:f07:b0:477:b7:7cb8 with SMTP id
gw7-20020a0562140f0700b0047700b77cb8mr2000329qvb.26.1660818515993; Thu, 18
Aug 2022 03:28:35 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 03:28:35 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701;
posting-account=NI-5hwkAAABIbiDnEChR-zoudmVmqGVH
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: opb...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery)
Injection-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:28:36 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 7458
 by: Will Dockery - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 10:28 UTC

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>
>> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
>> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
>> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>
>> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
>
>>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
>
>> > > > >> thank you, same to you
>
>>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
>
>> > >> bonjour, Will
>> > > Great to see you again, my friend.
>
>> > thank you, same to you
>> Hello again, Jordy.
>>
>
> Shalom Will


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=164273&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#164273

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:2b04:b0:6ba:4589:1cd2 with SMTP id do4-20020a05620a2b0400b006ba45891cd2mr2672741qkb.612.1660839522124;
Thu, 18 Aug 2022 09:18:42 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:1a01:b0:6b5:af87:aaf3 with SMTP id
bk1-20020a05620a1a0100b006b5af87aaf3mr2702709qkb.42.1660839521949; Thu, 18
Aug 2022 09:18:41 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 09:18:41 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2601:180:205:300b:f403:d7f:d508:2e5a;
posting-account=9da2yAoAAAAEn9Y3Xo4JtESWfdHwolR-
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2601:180:205:300b:f403:d7f:d508:2e5a
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com> <3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: jdchase...@gmail.com (jdcha...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 16:18:42 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 7773
 by: jdcha...@gmail.com - Thu, 18 Aug 2022 16:18 UTC

On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> >
> >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> >
> >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> >
> >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> >
> >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> >
> >> > >> bonjour, Will
> >> > > Great to see you again, my friend.
> >
> >> > thank you, same to you
> >> Hello again, Jordy.
> >>
> >
> > Shalom Will
> Good morning, my friend.
>
> 🙂
hola Will


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=164397&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#164397

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:2409:b0:6bb:d417:c8b6 with SMTP id d9-20020a05620a240900b006bbd417c8b6mr1679281qkn.304.1660910821358;
Fri, 19 Aug 2022 05:07:01 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1716:b0:344:1e56:9436 with SMTP id
h22-20020a05622a171600b003441e569436mr5974908qtk.289.1660910821074; Fri, 19
Aug 2022 05:07:01 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 05:07:00 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701;
posting-account=NI-5hwkAAABIbiDnEChR-zoudmVmqGVH
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: opb...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery)
Injection-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 12:07:01 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 8147
 by: Will Dockery - Fri, 19 Aug 2022 12:07 UTC

On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail..com wrote:
> > >
> > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > >
> > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > >
> > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > >
> > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > >
> > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > >
> > >> > >> bonjour, Will
> > >> > > Great to see you again, my friend.
> > >
> > >> > thank you, same to you
> > >> Hello again, Jordy.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Shalom Will
> > Good morning, my friend.
> >
>
> hola Will


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=164398&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#164398

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:15d4:b0:344:6a92:d8dc with SMTP id d20-20020a05622a15d400b003446a92d8dcmr6089125qty.114.1660910897966;
Fri, 19 Aug 2022 05:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:226b:b0:474:7c12:ecf9 with SMTP id
gs11-20020a056214226b00b004747c12ecf9mr6115635qvb.37.1660910897625; Fri, 19
Aug 2022 05:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 05:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2601:180:205:1d8c:e014:2adb:25b8:d171;
posting-account=9da2yAoAAAAEn9Y3Xo4JtESWfdHwolR-
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2601:180:205:1d8c:e014:2adb:25b8:d171
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: jdchase...@gmail.com (jdcha...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 12:08:17 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 8499
 by: jdcha...@gmail.com - Fri, 19 Aug 2022 12:08 UTC

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > >
> > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > >
> > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > >
> > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > >
> > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > >
> > > >> > >> bonjour, Will
> > > >> > > Great to see you again, my friend.
> > > >
> > > >> > thank you, same to you
> > > >> Hello again, Jordy.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Shalom Will
> > > Good morning, my friend.
> > >
> >
> > hola Will
> Hello there, Jordy.
>
> 🙂
bonjour, Will


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=164463&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#164463

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:400e:b0:6ba:fcb6:3641 with SMTP id h14-20020a05620a400e00b006bafcb63641mr6636711qko.375.1660948050419;
Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:27:30 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a37:27c1:0:b0:6bb:41b5:2d89 with SMTP id
n184-20020a3727c1000000b006bb41b52d89mr6588308qkn.679.1660948050272; Fri, 19
Aug 2022 15:27:30 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:27:30 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701;
posting-account=NI-5hwkAAABIbiDnEChR-zoudmVmqGVH
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: opb...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery)
Injection-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 22:27:30 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 8831
 by: Will Dockery - Fri, 19 Aug 2022 22:27 UTC

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > >
> > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes.... so it shall ever be.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors...." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > >
> > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > >
> > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > >
> > > > >> > >> bonjour, Will
> > > > >> > > Great to see you again, my friend.
> > > > >
> > > > >> > thank you, same to you
> > > > >> Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Shalom Will
> > > > Good morning, my friend.
> > > >
> > >
> > > hola Will
> > Hello there, Jordy.
> >
>
> bonjour, Will


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=164466&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#164466

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2503:b0:496:29a5:fa5b with SMTP id gf3-20020a056214250300b0049629a5fa5bmr8412427qvb.78.1660950226668;
Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:03:46 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:240a:b0:496:ca23:6720 with SMTP id
fv10-20020a056214240a00b00496ca236720mr2892690qvb.50.1660950226364; Fri, 19
Aug 2022 16:03:46 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:03:46 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2601:180:205:33a0:782d:935d:8b2e:2262;
posting-account=9da2yAoAAAAEn9Y3Xo4JtESWfdHwolR-
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2601:180:205:33a0:782d:935d:8b2e:2262
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: jdchase...@gmail.com (jdcha...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:03:46 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 9204
 by: jdcha...@gmail.com - Fri, 19 Aug 2022 23:03 UTC

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > >> bonjour, Will
> > > > > >> > > Great to see you again, my friend.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > thank you, same to you
> > > > > >> Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shalom Will
> > > > > Good morning, my friend.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > hola Will
> > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > >
> >
> > bonjour, Will
> Good afternoon, my friend.
>
> 🙂
thank you, same to you


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=164522&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#164522

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:3c1:b0:6b8:e6e1:2950 with SMTP id r1-20020a05620a03c100b006b8e6e12950mr7865629qkm.651.1660990843101;
Sat, 20 Aug 2022 03:20:43 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5f4f:0:b0:344:b3a1:4bb4 with SMTP id
y15-20020ac85f4f000000b00344b3a14bb4mr493604qta.139.1660990842880; Sat, 20
Aug 2022 03:20:42 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 03:20:42 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701;
posting-account=NI-5hwkAAABIbiDnEChR-zoudmVmqGVH
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: opb...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery)
Injection-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 10:20:43 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 9542
 by: Will Dockery - Sat, 20 Aug 2022 10:20 UTC

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > >> bonjour, Will
> > > > > > >> > > Great to see you again, my friend.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > >> Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Shalom Will
> > > > > > Good morning, my friend.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > hola Will
> > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > >
> > >
> > > bonjour, Will
> > Good afternoon, my friend.
> >
>
> thank you, same to you


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=164532&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#164532

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:e6c:b0:476:a4bd:2b95 with SMTP id jz12-20020a0562140e6c00b00476a4bd2b95mr9748490qvb.25.1661003446685;
Sat, 20 Aug 2022 06:50:46 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:21a3:b0:479:700c:372 with SMTP id
t3-20020a05621421a300b00479700c0372mr9843228qvc.87.1661003446402; Sat, 20 Aug
2022 06:50:46 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 06:50:46 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2601:180:205:296d:293e:c144:ca66:40f2;
posting-account=9da2yAoAAAAEn9Y3Xo4JtESWfdHwolR-
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2601:180:205:296d:293e:c144:ca66:40f2
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: jdchase...@gmail.com (jdcha...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 13:50:46 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 9920
 by: jdcha...@gmail.com - Sat, 20 Aug 2022 13:50 UTC

On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > >> > > Great to see you again, my friend.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > >> Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Shalom Will
> > > > > > > Good morning, my friend.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > >
> >
> > thank you, same to you
> Hello again, Jordy.
>
> 🙂
Shalom, Will


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<eb5798fe-1260-47f7-9335-07100113a38dn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=164576&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#164576

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:e6c:b0:476:a4bd:2b95 with SMTP id jz12-20020a0562140e6c00b00476a4bd2b95mr10206535qvb.25.1661013577383;
Sat, 20 Aug 2022 09:39:37 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1716:b0:344:1e56:9436 with SMTP id
h22-20020a05622a171600b003441e569436mr10060033qtk.289.1661013577232; Sat, 20
Aug 2022 09:39:37 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 09:39:37 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701;
posting-account=NI-5hwkAAABIbiDnEChR-zoudmVmqGVH
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <eb5798fe-1260-47f7-9335-07100113a38dn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: opb...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery)
Injection-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 16:39:37 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lines: 162
 by: Will Dockery - Sat, 20 Aug 2022 16:39 UTC

On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > >> bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > >> > > Great to see you again, my friend.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > >> Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Shalom Will
> > > > > > > > Good morning, my friend.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > >
> > >
> > > thank you, same to you
> > Hello again, Jordy.
> >
>
> Shalom, Will


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=164780&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#164780

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:389:b0:342:f779:ded8 with SMTP id j9-20020a05622a038900b00342f779ded8mr12397417qtx.111.1661094489385;
Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:08:09 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:10d:b0:343:5ebc:a9f3 with SMTP id
u13-20020a05622a010d00b003435ebca9f3mr12860877qtw.383.1661094489193; Sun, 21
Aug 2022 08:08:09 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 08:08:09 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701;
posting-account=NI-5hwkAAABIbiDnEChR-zoudmVmqGVH
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: opb...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery)
Injection-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:08:09 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 10287
 by: Will Dockery - Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:08 UTC

On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > >> bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > >> > > Great to see you again, my friend.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > >> Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Shalom Will
> > > > > > > > Good morning, my friend.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > >
> > >
> > > thank you, same to you
> > Hello again, Jordy.
> >
>
> Shalom, Will


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=164787&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#164787

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5768:0:b0:496:aa1a:edf9 with SMTP id r8-20020ad45768000000b00496aa1aedf9mr13132986qvx.115.1661098431893;
Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:1d22:b0:496:b4c5:d1d with SMTP id
f2-20020a0562141d2200b00496b4c50d1dmr13054302qvd.115.1661098431628; Sun, 21
Aug 2022 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2601:180:205:20c0:3518:13:444b:bcd8;
posting-account=9da2yAoAAAAEn9Y3Xo4JtESWfdHwolR-
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2601:180:205:20c0:3518:13:444b:bcd8
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: jdchase...@gmail.com (jdcha...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:13:51 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 10684
 by: jdcha...@gmail.com - Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:13 UTC

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:08:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group.. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond....
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > >> bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Great to see you again, my friend.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > >> Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Shalom Will
> > > > > > > > > Good morning, my friend.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > thank you, same to you
> > > Hello again, Jordy.
> > >
> >
> > Shalom, Will
> Again, good morning, my friend.
>
> 🙂
thank you, same to you


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=164830&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#164830

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:4042:b0:6bb:cdb:eef9 with SMTP id i2-20020a05620a404200b006bb0cdbeef9mr11367143qko.498.1661117979673;
Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:39:39 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:11cb:b0:342:fa31:573b with SMTP id
n11-20020a05622a11cb00b00342fa31573bmr13361354qtk.324.1661117979514; Sun, 21
Aug 2022 14:39:39 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:39:39 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701;
posting-account=NI-5hwkAAABIbiDnEChR-zoudmVmqGVH
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com> <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: opb...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery)
Injection-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 21:39:39 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 11103
 by: Will Dockery - Sun, 21 Aug 2022 21:39 UTC

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 12:13:52 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:08:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers"..
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond....
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Great to see you again, my friend.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > >> Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Shalom Will
> > > > > > > > > > Good morning, my friend.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > Hello again, Jordy.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Shalom, Will
> > Again, good morning, my friend.
> >
>
> thank you, same to you


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<af929e7d-404a-4b3d-ad76-50b4b3b8eae3n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=164841&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#164841

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5710:0:b0:343:5fa9:b707 with SMTP id 16-20020ac85710000000b003435fa9b707mr13228650qtw.192.1661119285828;
Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:01:25 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a0c:ab07:0:b0:474:9c36:413e with SMTP id
h7-20020a0cab07000000b004749c36413emr13470015qvb.56.1661119285640; Sun, 21
Aug 2022 15:01:25 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 15:01:25 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2601:180:205:302:5416:4aad:ad36:86a3;
posting-account=9da2yAoAAAAEn9Y3Xo4JtESWfdHwolR-
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2601:180:205:302:5416:4aad:ad36:86a3
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com> <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
<94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <af929e7d-404a-4b3d-ad76-50b4b3b8eae3n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: jdchase...@gmail.com (jdcha...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2022 22:01:25 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 11529
 by: jdcha...@gmail.com - Sun, 21 Aug 2022 22:01 UTC

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 12:13:52 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:08:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Great to see you again, my friend.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Shalom Will
> > > > > > > > > > > Good morning, my friend.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shalom, Will
> > > Again, good morning, my friend.
> > >
> >
> > thank you, same to you
> Hello there, Jordy, hope you're having a great weekend.
>
> 🙂
thank you, same to you


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<cfb36d34-bcd5-4cb3-a643-4ab12d40a98fn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=165290&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#165290

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:23c6:b0:491:99e3:80ce with SMTP id hr6-20020a05621423c600b0049199e380cemr23796835qvb.111.1661351492743;
Wed, 24 Aug 2022 07:31:32 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:e62:b0:496:ec34:f002 with SMTP id
jz2-20020a0562140e6200b00496ec34f002mr11187639qvb.26.1661351492418; Wed, 24
Aug 2022 07:31:32 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 07:31:32 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <af929e7d-404a-4b3d-ad76-50b4b3b8eae3n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701;
posting-account=NI-5hwkAAABIbiDnEChR-zoudmVmqGVH
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com> <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
<94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com> <af929e7d-404a-4b3d-ad76-50b4b3b8eae3n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <cfb36d34-bcd5-4cb3-a643-4ab12d40a98fn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: opb...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery)
Injection-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:31:32 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 11365
 by: Will Dockery - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:31 UTC

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 12:13:52 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:08:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > Hello again, Jordy.
>
> > > thank you, same to you
> > Hello there, Jordy, hope you're having a great weekend.
> >
>
> thank you, same to you


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<cfb3c8ca-4736-4a4e-8fdc-d7f0358717bdn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=165321&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#165321

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5e4c:0:b0:343:423:e736 with SMTP id i12-20020ac85e4c000000b003430423e736mr330879qtx.490.1661362641861;
Wed, 24 Aug 2022 10:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5c95:0:b0:344:dde5:7d64 with SMTP id
r21-20020ac85c95000000b00344dde57d64mr316111qta.674.1661362641670; Wed, 24
Aug 2022 10:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 10:37:21 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <cfb36d34-bcd5-4cb3-a643-4ab12d40a98fn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2601:180:205:159f:386b:a3ee:ca1b:8c9d;
posting-account=9da2yAoAAAAEn9Y3Xo4JtESWfdHwolR-
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2601:180:205:159f:386b:a3ee:ca1b:8c9d
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com> <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
<94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com> <af929e7d-404a-4b3d-ad76-50b4b3b8eae3n@googlegroups.com>
<cfb36d34-bcd5-4cb3-a643-4ab12d40a98fn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <cfb3c8ca-4736-4a4e-8fdc-d7f0358717bdn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: jdchase...@gmail.com (jdcha...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 17:37:21 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 11740
 by: jdcha...@gmail.com - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 17:37 UTC

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 12:13:52 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:08:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [....]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > Hello again, Jordy.
> >
> > > > thank you, same to you
> > > Hello there, Jordy, hope you're having a great weekend.
> > >
> >
> > thank you, same to you
> Good morning again, my friend.
>
> 🙂
Shalom Will


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<74959ffa-79d9-4303-ada8-855489c64b72n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=165388&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#165388

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a0c:ea33:0:b0:496:b356:26a7 with SMTP id t19-20020a0cea33000000b00496b35626a7mr1291244qvp.61.1661381788250;
Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:56:28 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1716:b0:344:1e56:9436 with SMTP id
h22-20020a05622a171600b003441e569436mr1328829qtk.289.1661381788006; Wed, 24
Aug 2022 15:56:28 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:56:27 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <cfb3c8ca-4736-4a4e-8fdc-d7f0358717bdn@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701;
posting-account=F8-p2QoAAACWGN0ySBf8luFjs_sDfT-G
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com> <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
<94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com> <af929e7d-404a-4b3d-ad76-50b4b3b8eae3n@googlegroups.com>
<cfb36d34-bcd5-4cb3-a643-4ab12d40a98fn@googlegroups.com> <cfb3c8ca-4736-4a4e-8fdc-d7f0358717bdn@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <74959ffa-79d9-4303-ada8-855489c64b72n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: will.doc...@gmail.com (Will Dockery)
Injection-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:56:28 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 12129
 by: Will Dockery - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:56 UTC

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 1:37:22 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 12:13:52 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:08:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [....]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > Hello again, Jordy.
> > >
> > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > Hello there, Jordy, hope you're having a great weekend.
> > > >
> > >
> > > thank you, same to you
> > Good morning again, my friend.
> >
>
> Shalom Will


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<23da0d60-7585-40d3-b27a-1fd1dc7fe983n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=165389&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#165389

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:d02:b0:474:81cc:599e with SMTP id 2-20020a0562140d0200b0047481cc599emr1309259qvh.29.1661381825722;
Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:57:05 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:4407:b0:6ba:f36e:d934 with SMTP id
v7-20020a05620a440700b006baf36ed934mr1147747qkp.536.1661381825540; Wed, 24
Aug 2022 15:57:05 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:57:05 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <74959ffa-79d9-4303-ada8-855489c64b72n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2601:180:205:d42:a952:4bb7:452d:fbc0;
posting-account=9da2yAoAAAAEn9Y3Xo4JtESWfdHwolR-
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2601:180:205:d42:a952:4bb7:452d:fbc0
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com> <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
<94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com> <af929e7d-404a-4b3d-ad76-50b4b3b8eae3n@googlegroups.com>
<cfb36d34-bcd5-4cb3-a643-4ab12d40a98fn@googlegroups.com> <cfb3c8ca-4736-4a4e-8fdc-d7f0358717bdn@googlegroups.com>
<74959ffa-79d9-4303-ada8-855489c64b72n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <23da0d60-7585-40d3-b27a-1fd1dc7fe983n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: jdchase...@gmail.com (jdcha...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:57:05 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 12510
 by: jdcha...@gmail.com - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:57 UTC

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 1:37:22 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 12:13:52 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:08:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > Hello again, Jordy.
> > > >
> > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > Hello there, Jordy, hope you're having a great weekend.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > thank you, same to you
> > > Good morning again, my friend.
> > >
> >
> > Shalom Will
> Hello there, Jordy.
>
> 🙂
bonjour, Will


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<af91fae7-442a-4a09-94ab-830eedd92f71n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=165390&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#165390

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a37:cc5:0:b0:6bb:93e9:54f with SMTP id 188-20020a370cc5000000b006bb93e9054fmr1219216qkm.114.1661381854262;
Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:254d:b0:6ab:84b8:25eb with SMTP id
s13-20020a05620a254d00b006ab84b825ebmr1098726qko.383.1661381854073; Wed, 24
Aug 2022 15:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:57:33 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <74959ffa-79d9-4303-ada8-855489c64b72n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2601:180:205:d42:a952:4bb7:452d:fbc0;
posting-account=9da2yAoAAAAEn9Y3Xo4JtESWfdHwolR-
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2601:180:205:d42:a952:4bb7:452d:fbc0
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com> <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
<94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com> <af929e7d-404a-4b3d-ad76-50b4b3b8eae3n@googlegroups.com>
<cfb36d34-bcd5-4cb3-a643-4ab12d40a98fn@googlegroups.com> <cfb3c8ca-4736-4a4e-8fdc-d7f0358717bdn@googlegroups.com>
<74959ffa-79d9-4303-ada8-855489c64b72n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <af91fae7-442a-4a09-94ab-830eedd92f71n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: jdchase...@gmail.com (jdcha...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:57:34 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 12506
 by: jdcha...@gmail.com - Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:57 UTC

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 1:37:22 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 12:13:52 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:08:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > Hello again, Jordy.
> > > >
> > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > Hello there, Jordy, hope you're having a great weekend.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > thank you, same to you
> > > Good morning again, my friend.
> > >
> >
> > Shalom Will
> Hello there, Jordy.
>
> 🙂
hola Will


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<c2e5be15-685c-4c9c-8090-7869c21f3988n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=165435&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#165435

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:155:b0:344:9cf8:8929 with SMTP id v21-20020a05622a015500b003449cf88929mr2163430qtw.376.1661403628638;
Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:00:28 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1a02:b0:343:7465:7cab with SMTP id
f2-20020a05622a1a0200b0034374657cabmr2221912qtb.175.1661403628469; Wed, 24
Aug 2022 22:00:28 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:00:28 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <23da0d60-7585-40d3-b27a-1fd1dc7fe983n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701;
posting-account=NI-5hwkAAABIbiDnEChR-zoudmVmqGVH
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2607:fb90:7e24:8503:0:25:adf6:b701
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com> <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
<94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com> <af929e7d-404a-4b3d-ad76-50b4b3b8eae3n@googlegroups.com>
<cfb36d34-bcd5-4cb3-a643-4ab12d40a98fn@googlegroups.com> <cfb3c8ca-4736-4a4e-8fdc-d7f0358717bdn@googlegroups.com>
<74959ffa-79d9-4303-ada8-855489c64b72n@googlegroups.com> <23da0d60-7585-40d3-b27a-1fd1dc7fe983n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <c2e5be15-685c-4c9c-8090-7869c21f3988n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: opb...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery)
Injection-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 05:00:28 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 12891
 by: Will Dockery - Thu, 25 Aug 2022 05:00 UTC

On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:57:06 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 1:37:22 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 12:13:52 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:08:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > Hello there, Jordy, hope you're having a great weekend.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > Good morning again, my friend.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Shalom Will
> > Hello there, Jordy.
> >
>
> bonjour, Will


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<7f564fbe-54b3-4d8b-9923-2162a4f0c5een@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=165456&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#165456

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:e6c:b0:476:a4bd:2b95 with SMTP id jz12-20020a0562140e6c00b00476a4bd2b95mr3531967qvb.25.1661434865435;
Thu, 25 Aug 2022 06:41:05 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:27e3:b0:497:f73:7c2 with SMTP id
jt3-20020a05621427e300b004970f7307c2mr3610074qvb.1.1661434865223; Thu, 25 Aug
2022 06:41:05 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 06:41:04 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <c2e5be15-685c-4c9c-8090-7869c21f3988n@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2601:180:205:24b4:c160:1ca0:e358:c5f9;
posting-account=9da2yAoAAAAEn9Y3Xo4JtESWfdHwolR-
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2601:180:205:24b4:c160:1ca0:e358:c5f9
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com> <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
<94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com> <af929e7d-404a-4b3d-ad76-50b4b3b8eae3n@googlegroups.com>
<cfb36d34-bcd5-4cb3-a643-4ab12d40a98fn@googlegroups.com> <cfb3c8ca-4736-4a4e-8fdc-d7f0358717bdn@googlegroups.com>
<74959ffa-79d9-4303-ada8-855489c64b72n@googlegroups.com> <23da0d60-7585-40d3-b27a-1fd1dc7fe983n@googlegroups.com>
<c2e5be15-685c-4c9c-8090-7869c21f3988n@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <7f564fbe-54b3-4d8b-9923-2162a4f0c5een@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: jdchase...@gmail.com (jdcha...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 13:41:05 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lines: 212
 by: jdcha...@gmail.com - Thu, 25 Aug 2022 13:41 UTC

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:00:29 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:57:06 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 1:37:22 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 12:13:52 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:08:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed....."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy, hope you're having a great weekend.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > Good morning again, my friend.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shalom Will
> > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > >
> >
> > bonjour, Will
> Good evening, my friend.
>
> 🙂
thank you, same to you


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<bd51c14a-9b9f-40f5-ad78-45e9e5f4f376n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=165577&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#165577

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2503:b0:496:29a5:fa5b with SMTP id gf3-20020a056214250300b0049629a5fa5bmr6096413qvb.78.1661475780056;
Thu, 25 Aug 2022 18:03:00 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1716:b0:344:1e56:9436 with SMTP id
h22-20020a05622a171600b003441e569436mr5842375qtk.289.1661475779843; Thu, 25
Aug 2022 18:02:59 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!news.misty.com!border-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 18:02:59 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <7f564fbe-54b3-4d8b-9923-2162a4f0c5een@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2607:fb90:7e5d:1320:7ab7:4817:9145:4d21;
posting-account=F8-p2QoAAACWGN0ySBf8luFjs_sDfT-G
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2607:fb90:7e5d:1320:7ab7:4817:9145:4d21
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com> <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
<94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com> <af929e7d-404a-4b3d-ad76-50b4b3b8eae3n@googlegroups.com>
<cfb36d34-bcd5-4cb3-a643-4ab12d40a98fn@googlegroups.com> <cfb3c8ca-4736-4a4e-8fdc-d7f0358717bdn@googlegroups.com>
<74959ffa-79d9-4303-ada8-855489c64b72n@googlegroups.com> <23da0d60-7585-40d3-b27a-1fd1dc7fe983n@googlegroups.com>
<c2e5be15-685c-4c9c-8090-7869c21f3988n@googlegroups.com> <7f564fbe-54b3-4d8b-9923-2162a4f0c5een@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <bd51c14a-9b9f-40f5-ad78-45e9e5f4f376n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: will.doc...@gmail.com (Will Dockery)
Injection-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 01:03:00 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lines: 217
 by: Will Dockery - Fri, 26 Aug 2022 01:02 UTC

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:41:06 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:00:29 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:57:06 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 1:37:22 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 12:13:52 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:08:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed....."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy, hope you're having a great weekend.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > Good morning again, my friend.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Shalom Will
> > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > >
> > >
> > > bonjour, Will
> > Good evening, my friend.
> >
>
> thank you, same to you


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<ae34007c-4c8d-4101-a0dd-69ad80719e3en@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=166266&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#166266

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1651:b0:344:5d06:7449 with SMTP id y17-20020a05622a165100b003445d067449mr14847859qtj.292.1661868721156;
Tue, 30 Aug 2022 07:12:01 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:170c:b0:344:5612:7b56 with SMTP id
h12-20020a05622a170c00b0034456127b56mr15226610qtk.394.1661868720831; Tue, 30
Aug 2022 07:12:00 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 07:12:00 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <7f564fbe-54b3-4d8b-9923-2162a4f0c5een@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2607:fb90:7e42:ea6d:c22e:5f98:9ba9:516e;
posting-account=F8-p2QoAAACWGN0ySBf8luFjs_sDfT-G
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2607:fb90:7e42:ea6d:c22e:5f98:9ba9:516e
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com> <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
<94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com> <af929e7d-404a-4b3d-ad76-50b4b3b8eae3n@googlegroups.com>
<cfb36d34-bcd5-4cb3-a643-4ab12d40a98fn@googlegroups.com> <cfb3c8ca-4736-4a4e-8fdc-d7f0358717bdn@googlegroups.com>
<74959ffa-79d9-4303-ada8-855489c64b72n@googlegroups.com> <23da0d60-7585-40d3-b27a-1fd1dc7fe983n@googlegroups.com>
<c2e5be15-685c-4c9c-8090-7869c21f3988n@googlegroups.com> <7f564fbe-54b3-4d8b-9923-2162a4f0c5een@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <ae34007c-4c8d-4101-a0dd-69ad80719e3en@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: will.doc...@gmail.com (Will Dockery)
Injection-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 14:12:01 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 13697
 by: Will Dockery - Tue, 30 Aug 2022 14:12 UTC

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:41:06 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:00:29 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:57:06 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 1:37:22 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 12:13:52 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:08:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed....."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy, hope you're having a great weekend.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > Good morning again, my friend.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Shalom Will
> > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > >
> > >
> > > bonjour, Will
> > Good evening, my friend.
> >
>
> thank you, same to you


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<63936c9b359742b94a6992500738b477@news.novabbs.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=166339&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#166339

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:36:13 +0000
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on novabbs.org
X-Spam-Level: *
From: vhugo...@gmail.com (Victor H.)
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$XP5PwjTMd1hJz4fwXcAa3eadXuMb1faPbk3PzzUE99unG9KEYM0yC
X-Rslight-Posting-User: c9b624413ee32079241d65d0758196ac2b9e8344
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
User-Agent: Rocksolid Light (www.novabbs.com/getrslight)
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com> <3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
Organization: novaBBS
Message-ID: <63936c9b359742b94a6992500738b477@news.novabbs.com>
 by: Victor H. - Tue, 30 Aug 2022 20:36 UTC

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>> >
>> >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
>> >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
>> >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>> >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
>> >
>> >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
>> >
>> >> > > > >> thank you, same to you


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<1533fc1e-7fd1-48a1-92ea-922ee52a6caen@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=166371&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#166371

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:11c8:b0:343:4d55:3307 with SMTP id n8-20020a05622a11c800b003434d553307mr16711965qtk.306.1661893844031;
Tue, 30 Aug 2022 14:10:44 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5aec:0:b0:498:f40a:dcc4 with SMTP id
c12-20020ad45aec000000b00498f40adcc4mr16027795qvh.115.1661893843864; Tue, 30
Aug 2022 14:10:43 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 14:10:43 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <ae34007c-4c8d-4101-a0dd-69ad80719e3en@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2601:180:205:34b5:74cc:d768:520b:907b;
posting-account=9da2yAoAAAAEn9Y3Xo4JtESWfdHwolR-
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2601:180:205:34b5:74cc:d768:520b:907b
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com> <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
<94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com> <af929e7d-404a-4b3d-ad76-50b4b3b8eae3n@googlegroups.com>
<cfb36d34-bcd5-4cb3-a643-4ab12d40a98fn@googlegroups.com> <cfb3c8ca-4736-4a4e-8fdc-d7f0358717bdn@googlegroups.com>
<74959ffa-79d9-4303-ada8-855489c64b72n@googlegroups.com> <23da0d60-7585-40d3-b27a-1fd1dc7fe983n@googlegroups.com>
<c2e5be15-685c-4c9c-8090-7869c21f3988n@googlegroups.com> <7f564fbe-54b3-4d8b-9923-2162a4f0c5een@googlegroups.com>
<ae34007c-4c8d-4101-a0dd-69ad80719e3en@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <1533fc1e-7fd1-48a1-92ea-922ee52a6caen@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: jdchase...@gmail.com (jdcha...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 21:10:44 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 14092
 by: jdcha...@gmail.com - Tue, 30 Aug 2022 21:10 UTC

On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 10:12:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:41:06 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:00:29 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:57:06 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 1:37:22 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 12:13:52 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:08:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy, hope you're having a great weekend.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > Good morning again, my friend.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shalom Will
> > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > Good evening, my friend.
> > >
> >
> > thank you, same to you
> Hello there, Jordy.
>
> 🙂
hola Will


Click here to read the complete article
Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"

<a95cd214-fcf9-4f6f-afc6-1b3df1bb9402n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=166438&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#166438

  copy link   Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5fd6:0:b0:343:4b4:1022 with SMTP id k22-20020ac85fd6000000b0034304b41022mr17225973qta.616.1661905936194;
Tue, 30 Aug 2022 17:32:16 -0700 (PDT)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:d66:b0:499:328:f654 with SMTP id
6-20020a0562140d6600b004990328f654mr10769063qvs.26.1661905936025; Tue, 30 Aug
2022 17:32:16 -0700 (PDT)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feed1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 17:32:15 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <1533fc1e-7fd1-48a1-92ea-922ee52a6caen@googlegroups.com>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2607:fb90:7e42:ea6d:c22e:5f98:9ba9:516e;
posting-account=F8-p2QoAAACWGN0ySBf8luFjs_sDfT-G
NNTP-Posting-Host: 2607:fb90:7e42:ea6d:c22e:5f98:9ba9:516e
References: <38e5a508-6182-40ab-aafd-aad245e6946bn@googlegroups.com>
<3096ed81-b9ba-434f-a612-939c44a10660n@googlegroups.com> <a7dd4aa5-ed28-4cd0-afa7-fadd89614faan@googlegroups.com>
<511aace7-7487-4208-a4e0-8d08604b8cecn@googlegroups.com> <e31a67d9-59b6-496a-8934-7d078f1bcb27n@googlegroups.com>
<02a59638-a5b0-42b0-8944-ff28aa0c1f77n@googlegroups.com> <7aef29ff-c5b2-4041-aefe-15ec04bc35ccn@googlegroups.com>
<ba8a7ff7-b675-4995-9e07-2e9e7a5c49bbn@googlegroups.com> <cfdcdc4c-07cd-4e85-9251-2e877146a9ccn@googlegroups.com>
<1d68d211-c765-4e95-8ec4-96aef1a3d3cfn@googlegroups.com> <bb0cb102-9277-4b8c-b6c9-640fb862ac74n@googlegroups.com>
<94bacb9b-0311-4acb-82ea-fae5dfb03803n@googlegroups.com> <af929e7d-404a-4b3d-ad76-50b4b3b8eae3n@googlegroups.com>
<cfb36d34-bcd5-4cb3-a643-4ab12d40a98fn@googlegroups.com> <cfb3c8ca-4736-4a4e-8fdc-d7f0358717bdn@googlegroups.com>
<74959ffa-79d9-4303-ada8-855489c64b72n@googlegroups.com> <23da0d60-7585-40d3-b27a-1fd1dc7fe983n@googlegroups.com>
<c2e5be15-685c-4c9c-8090-7869c21f3988n@googlegroups.com> <7f564fbe-54b3-4d8b-9923-2162a4f0c5een@googlegroups.com>
<ae34007c-4c8d-4101-a0dd-69ad80719e3en@googlegroups.com> <1533fc1e-7fd1-48a1-92ea-922ee52a6caen@googlegroups.com>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <a95cd214-fcf9-4f6f-afc6-1b3df1bb9402n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
From: will.doc...@gmail.com (Will Dockery)
Injection-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2022 00:32:16 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Received-Bytes: 14500
 by: Will Dockery - Wed, 31 Aug 2022 00:32 UTC

On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 5:10:44 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 30, 2022 at 10:12:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:41:06 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 1:00:29 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:57:06 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 6:56:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 1:37:22 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 6:01:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 5:39:40 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 12:13:52 PM UTC-4, jdcha....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 11:08:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:50:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 6:20:43 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:08:18 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 8:07:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 10:25:15 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 8:53:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 3:31:14 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> >> Hello Jordy, agreed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hola Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good afternoon, my friend.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > Hello there, Jordy, hope you're having a great weekend.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > thank you, same to you
> > > > > > > > Good morning again, my friend.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Shalom Will
> > > > > > Hello there, Jordy.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > Good evening, my friend.
> > > >
> > >
> > > thank you, same to you
> > Hello there, Jordy.
> >
>
> hola Will


Click here to read the complete article
Pages:12
server_pubkey.txt

rocksolid light 0.9.81
clearnet tor