On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 6:41:43 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 5:34:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 8:53:26 AM UTC-4,
> > > michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > I quote you in AAPC -- where you already made the remarks.
> > > > George is quoting us *in other groups" -- where we chose *not* to
> > > make those remarks.
> > > > Do you understand the difference?
> > > >
> >
> > > The important difference here is that MP is cool with messages being
> > > quoted or copied in new threads on the same group. That's important, as
> > > it allows moving this discussion to a new thread. The old one has been
> > > thoroughly trashed, complete with a ko0K kAsKaDe.
> >
> > > > If I post a poem to AAPC, I know that my poem appears in *one* place
> > > on the internet.
> > > > If I want to remove that poem in order to publish it in a magazine, I
> > > can easily do so.
> > > >
> >
> > > Not always. Anyone posting on the group can read your poem and reply to
> > > your post in full, which means copying the whole poem. If you remove
> > > your post, that copy will be the top post in the thread, and the thread
> > > will still have your name on it (meaning it could appear in google web
> > > searches). The only way to remove that post from google would be to
> > > complain to google -- say, on the grounds the new post was a mere copy,
> > > with no original content -- but a poster could easily defeat that by
> > > adding some original content underneath.
> >
> > > In short, it's not as easy to get rid of old copies of a poem on usenet
> > > as it is if they're posted to a poetry site or wiki. Those hoping to
> > > find a commercial publisher should keep that in mind.
> >
> > > > But if I post a poem here and other people start reposting it to
> > > other groups and forums without my permission, then my poem could appear
> > > in many places on the internet. In that case, I would be unable to
> > > remove it from the internet in order to have it published.
> > > >
> >
> > > You'd have to look at the internet headers, which would tell you which
> > > groups received the crosspost. Usenet servers, and many web portals
> > > (like NovaBBS) let you see the headers. Unfortunately, the last time
> > > Google changed the interface, they not only removed the crossposting
> > > feature, but also the ability to see the message headers.
> >
> > > > And that's just one reason.
> > > >
> > > > If something is said that could offend a certain group of
> > > individuals, especially when taken out of context, one might not want to
> > > have it reposted in one of the groups it would offend. For instance,
> > > your "giggling at gays" poem, might get you in a lot of trouble in a gay
> > > group. Getting tagged as a racist could destroy your career... that is,
> > > if you actually had a career to destroy.
> > > >
> > > > Is the little lightbulb starting to turn on in your head, yet?
> > > >
> >
> > > Not really. Copying a post can be done just as easily by c&p'ing it
> > > discretely to all those groups (multiposting). Sure, that's a bit more
> > > work; but if someone actually had this malicious intent, they'd be more
> > > likely to multipost than crosspost, since that would make the posts less
> > > detectable (since there'd be no record of all the receiving groups in
> > > the headers).
> >
> > > > Here's one you should certainly be able to understand.
> > > >
> > > > If someone made a false accusation against you in AAPC, you would
> > > want "to set the record straight." But if that person crossposted their
> > > accusation to 20 other groups *without your knowledge,* you would be
> > > unable to address those accusations.
> > > >
> >
> > > That sounds true for messages that are not crossposted. But, for those
> > > that are, it is true only for those stuck on google, where they can't
> > > crosspost to all the groups or even see what groups they are. Those
> > > posting from a usenet server, or a web portal like NovaBBS, can do both.
> > Google Groupers just don't get it.
> "Google Groupers" get to see

Not the average Google reader, Dink, just on your page, apparently.

'This conversation has been hidden because you marked it for abuse."
> I've got well over 150 of 'your' threads seen that way, and it pleases me to have done so.
> you should die in a fire

Your ongoing death fantasy is noted once again, Dink.

And so it goes.

🙂

On Monday, 22 August 2022 at 22:06:30 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 6:41:43 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 5:34:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 8:53:26 AM UTC-4,
> > > > michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > I quote you in AAPC -- where you already made the remarks.
> > > > > George is quoting us *in other groups" -- where we chose *not* to
> > > > make those remarks.
> > > > > Do you understand the difference?
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > The important difference here is that MP is cool with messages being
> > > > quoted or copied in new threads on the same group. That's important, as
> > > > it allows moving this discussion to a new thread. The old one has been
> > > > thoroughly trashed, complete with a ko0K kAsKaDe.
> > >
> > > > > If I post a poem to AAPC, I know that my poem appears in *one* place
> > > > on the internet.
> > > > > If I want to remove that poem in order to publish it in a magazine, I
> > > > can easily do so.
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > Not always. Anyone posting on the group can read your poem and reply to
> > > > your post in full, which means copying the whole poem. If you remove
> > > > your post, that copy will be the top post in the thread, and the thread
> > > > will still have your name on it (meaning it could appear in google web
> > > > searches). The only way to remove that post from google would be to
> > > > complain to google -- say, on the grounds the new post was a mere copy,
> > > > with no original content -- but a poster could easily defeat that by
> > > > adding some original content underneath.
> > >
> > > > In short, it's not as easy to get rid of old copies of a poem on usenet
> > > > as it is if they're posted to a poetry site or wiki. Those hoping to
> > > > find a commercial publisher should keep that in mind.
> > >
> > > > > But if I post a poem here and other people start reposting it to
> > > > other groups and forums without my permission, then my poem could appear
> > > > in many places on the internet. In that case, I would be unable to
> > > > remove it from the internet in order to have it published.
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > You'd have to look at the internet headers, which would tell you which
> > > > groups received the crosspost. Usenet servers, and many web portals
> > > > (like NovaBBS) let you see the headers. Unfortunately, the last time
> > > > Google changed the interface, they not only removed the crossposting
> > > > feature, but also the ability to see the message headers.
> > >
> > > > > And that's just one reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > If something is said that could offend a certain group of
> > > > individuals, especially when taken out of context, one might not want to
> > > > have it reposted in one of the groups it would offend. For instance,
> > > > your "giggling at gays" poem, might get you in a lot of trouble in a gay
> > > > group. Getting tagged as a racist could destroy your career... that is,
> > > > if you actually had a career to destroy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the little lightbulb starting to turn on in your head, yet?
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > Not really. Copying a post can be done just as easily by c&p'ing it
> > > > discretely to all those groups (multiposting). Sure, that's a bit more
> > > > work; but if someone actually had this malicious intent, they'd be more
> > > > likely to multipost than crosspost, since that would make the posts less
> > > > detectable (since there'd be no record of all the receiving groups in
> > > > the headers).
> > >
> > > > > Here's one you should certainly be able to understand.
> > > > >
> > > > > If someone made a false accusation against you in AAPC, you would
> > > > want "to set the record straight." But if that person crossposted their
> > > > accusation to 20 other groups *without your knowledge,* you would be
> > > > unable to address those accusations.
> > > > >
> > >
> > > > That sounds true for messages that are not crossposted. But, for those
> > > > that are, it is true only for those stuck on google, where they can't
> > > > crosspost to all the groups or even see what groups they are. Those
> > > > posting from a usenet server, or a web portal like NovaBBS, can do both.
> > > Google Groupers just don't get it.
> > "Google Groupers" get to see
> Not the average Google reader, Dink, just on your page, apparently.
> 'This conversation has been hidden because you marked it for abuse."
> > I've got well over 150 of 'your' threads seen that way, and it pleases me to have done so.
> > you should die in a fire
> Your ongoing death fantasy is noted once again, Dink.
>
> And so it goes.
>

I can go through 500 threads without seeing a single brillo head profile.
Thanks google.

On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 10:21:53 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> On Monday, 22 August 2022 at 22:06:30 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 6:41:43 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 5:34:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 8:53:26 AM UTC-4,
> > > > > michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I quote you in AAPC -- where you already made the remarks.
> > > > > > George is quoting us *in other groups" -- where we chose *not* to
> > > > > make those remarks.
> > > > > > Do you understand the difference?
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The important difference here is that MP is cool with messages being
> > > > > quoted or copied in new threads on the same group. That's important, as
> > > > > it allows moving this discussion to a new thread. The old one has been
> > > > > thoroughly trashed, complete with a ko0K kAsKaDe.
> > > >
> > > > > > If I post a poem to AAPC, I know that my poem appears in *one* place
> > > > > on the internet.
> > > > > > If I want to remove that poem in order to publish it in a magazine, I
> > > > > can easily do so.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Not always. Anyone posting on the group can read your poem and reply to
> > > > > your post in full, which means copying the whole poem. If you remove
> > > > > your post, that copy will be the top post in the thread, and the thread
> > > > > will still have your name on it (meaning it could appear in google web
> > > > > searches). The only way to remove that post from google would be to
> > > > > complain to google -- say, on the grounds the new post was a mere copy,
> > > > > with no original content -- but a poster could easily defeat that by
> > > > > adding some original content underneath.
> > > >
> > > > > In short, it's not as easy to get rid of old copies of a poem on usenet
> > > > > as it is if they're posted to a poetry site or wiki. Those hoping to
> > > > > find a commercial publisher should keep that in mind.
> > > >
> > > > > > But if I post a poem here and other people start reposting it to
> > > > > other groups and forums without my permission, then my poem could appear
> > > > > in many places on the internet. In that case, I would be unable to
> > > > > remove it from the internet in order to have it published.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You'd have to look at the internet headers, which would tell you which
> > > > > groups received the crosspost. Usenet servers, and many web portals
> > > > > (like NovaBBS) let you see the headers. Unfortunately, the last time
> > > > > Google changed the interface, they not only removed the crossposting
> > > > > feature, but also the ability to see the message headers.
> > > >
> > > > > > And that's just one reason.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If something is said that could offend a certain group of
> > > > > individuals, especially when taken out of context, one might not want to
> > > > > have it reposted in one of the groups it would offend. For instance,
> > > > > your "giggling at gays" poem, might get you in a lot of trouble in a gay
> > > > > group. Getting tagged as a racist could destroy your career... that is,
> > > > > if you actually had a career to destroy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is the little lightbulb starting to turn on in your head, yet?
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Not really. Copying a post can be done just as easily by c&p'ing it
> > > > > discretely to all those groups (multiposting). Sure, that's a bit more
> > > > > work; but if someone actually had this malicious intent, they'd be more
> > > > > likely to multipost than crosspost, since that would make the posts less
> > > > > detectable (since there'd be no record of all the receiving groups in
> > > > > the headers).
> > > >
> > > > > > Here's one you should certainly be able to understand.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If someone made a false accusation against you in AAPC, you would
> > > > > want "to set the record straight." But if that person crossposted their
> > > > > accusation to 20 other groups *without your knowledge,* you would be
> > > > > unable to address those accusations.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That sounds true for messages that are not crossposted. But, for those
> > > > > that are, it is true only for those stuck on google, where they can't
> > > > > crosspost to all the groups or even see what groups they are. Those
> > > > > posting from a usenet server, or a web portal like NovaBBS, can do both.
> > > > Google Groupers just don't get it.
> > > "Google Groupers" get to see
> > Not the average Google reader, Dink, just on your page, apparently.
> > 'This conversation has been hidden because you marked it for abuse."
> > > I've got well over 150 of 'your' threads seen that way, and it pleases me to have done so.
> > > you should die in a fire
> > Your ongoing death fantasy is noted once again, Dink.
> >
> > And so it goes.
> >
> I can go through 500 threads without seeing a single brillo head profile.
> Thanks google.

Yes, and that keeps your type from trolling my threads, so it's a win for both sides.

🙂