"Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*

*"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 7:25:38 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
>
>
> *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.

Every time I think about Columbus, Georgia,
I can feel a Woody coming on. Is that bad?
https://youtu.be/lV3sDym0xjM

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
>
>
> *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.

Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:

(p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> >
> >
> > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
>
> (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "

“No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
― Louis L'Amour, Hondo

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > >
> > >
> > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> >
> > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said.. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo

Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain). The manliness secrets will be revealed.
https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 7:25:38 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
>
>
> *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.

If he really knew Columbus he would mention the smells of ego and failure.

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > >
> > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain). The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/

What I find interesting is that you have books on your
nightstand. I can’t read in bed. It puts me right to sleep.

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > >
> > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain). The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/

The art of manliness you say? Imagine that-- I can't, for I didn't know such a thing existed!

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:30:51 AM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > >
> > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain). The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> What I find interesting is that you have books on your
> nightstand. I can’t read in bed. It puts me right to sleep.
Reading in bed is relaxing to us, but we go to bed early enough so that we don't go right to sleep. The cell phone, tablet and computer are safely stored away.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:35:56 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:30:51 AM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > > >
> > > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain). The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> > What I find interesting is that you have books on your
> > nightstand. I can’t read in bed. It puts me right to sleep.
> Reading in bed is relaxing to us, but we go to bed early enough so that we don't go right to sleep. The cell phone, tablet and computer are safely stored away.

I do my reading on the bus... which is also where I usually catch some sleep. Lately, I've only been sleeping.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:50:02 AM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > >
> > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain). The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> The art of manliness you say? Imagine that-- I can't, for I didn't know such a thing existed!

One of the main themes in the Western novel is what a real man should be. A real man supports and protects his family. He is honest and does not lie. He helps and is loyal to his friends. He works hard at farming/ranching/store keeping to provide a good life for his family. He is God-fearing.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > >
> > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain). The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> The art of manliness you say? Imagine that-- I can't, for I didn't know such a thing existed!

Of course it existed. The male movie stars of Classic Hollywood exemplified this art -- and not just in westerns.

As Archie Bunker sang: "Goils were goils and men were men."

The ideal man was self-reliant, self-confident, physically fit, able to take care of himself in a fight -- and ready to protect those who can't, soft-spoken, calm in the face of adversity, not out to intimidate or control others, reliable, of sound moral character, and has his own unspoken ethical code that he'll stick to -- even to the detriment of his personal life.

The hippie generation of 1960s destroyed the art of manliness -- quite possibly forever.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > > >
> > > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain). The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> > The art of manliness you say? Imagine that-- I can't, for I didn't know such a thing existed!
> Of course it existed. The male movie stars of Classic Hollywood exemplified this art -- and not just in westerns.
>
> As Archie Bunker sang: "Goils were goils and men were men."
>
> The ideal man was self-reliant, self-confident, physically fit, able to take care of himself in a fight -- and ready to protect those who can't, soft-spoken, calm in the face of adversity, not out to intimidate or control others, reliable, of sound moral character, and has his own unspoken ethical code that he'll stick to -- even to the detriment of his personal life.
>

> The hippie generation of 1960s destroyed the art of manliness -- quite possibly forever.
and that's a very GOOD thing!!! There has to be a welcoming place in this world for ALL types of people, people on every facet of the continuum.... thank god for the Socialists and Communists and artists of all types and beatniks and hippies and punks etc.. we do NOT need more FAR RIGHT WING extremists however! Didn't you say that you were a proud far right wing fascist, or something to that effect? that is OUTRAGEOUS! that is OBSCENLY WRONG and VILE OFFENSIVE and DREADFUL and HIDEOUS ANd HEINOUS!!! THAT IS TERRIBLE!!! that is DESPICABLE!!! PLEASE reconsider your views ASAP!!!

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:14:00 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:50:02 AM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > > >
> > > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain). The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> > The art of manliness you say? Imagine that-- I can't, for I didn't know such a thing existed!
> One of the main themes in the Western novel is what a real man should be. A real man supports and protects his family. He is honest and does not lie.. He helps and is loyal to his friends. He works hard at farming/ranching/store keeping to provide a good life for his family. He is God-fearing.

That's an art? I call that a creed, a code of conduct, an honor code. Arete!!

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > > >
> > > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain). The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> > The art of manliness you say? Imagine that-- I can't, for I didn't know such a thing existed!
> Of course it existed. The male movie stars of Classic Hollywood exemplified this art -- and not just in westerns.
>
> As Archie Bunker sang: "Goils were goils and men were men."
>
> The ideal man was self-reliant, self-confident, physically fit, able to take care of himself in a fight -- and ready to protect those who can't, soft-spoken, calm in the face of adversity, not out to intimidate or control others, reliable, of sound moral character, and has his own unspoken ethical code that he'll stick to -- even to the detriment of his personal life.

Ahem, mebbe I don't have the soft spoken down very well. Although I keep my tone low 'cause when I raise my voice, people start lookin' worried like I'm gonna start hurtin' them. You can say I'm blessed with a voice that commands attention-- one of the reasons they wanted me as drill sergeant, obviously.
> The hippie generation of 1960s destroyed the art of manliness -- quite possibly forever.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:30:50 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:14:00 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:50:02 AM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > > > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain).. The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> > > The art of manliness you say? Imagine that-- I can't, for I didn't know such a thing existed!
> > One of the main themes in the Western novel is what a real man should be. A real man supports and protects his family. He is honest and does not lie. He helps and is loyal to his friends. He works hard at farming/ranching/store keeping to provide a good life for his family. He is God-fearing.
> That's an art? I call that a creed, a code of conduct, an honor code. Arete!!

Yes, that's an art. Arete is something men acquire -- not something that they're born with.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:26:34 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > > > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain).. The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> > > The art of manliness you say? Imagine that-- I can't, for I didn't know such a thing existed!
> > Of course it existed. The male movie stars of Classic Hollywood exemplified this art -- and not just in westerns.
> >
> > As Archie Bunker sang: "Goils were goils and men were men."
> >
> > The ideal man was self-reliant, self-confident, physically fit, able to take care of himself in a fight -- and ready to protect those who can't, soft-spoken, calm in the face of adversity, not out to intimidate or control others, reliable, of sound moral character, and has his own unspoken ethical code that he'll stick to -- even to the detriment of his personal life.
> >
>
> > The hippie generation of 1960s destroyed the art of manliness -- quite possibly forever.
> and that's a very GOOD thing!!! There has to be a welcoming place in this world for ALL types of people, people on every facet of the continuum... thank god for the Socialists and Communists and artists of all types and beatniks and hippies and punks etc.. we do NOT need more FAR RIGHT WING extremists however! Didn't you say that you were a proud far right wing fascist, or something to that effect? that is OUTRAGEOUS! that is OBSCENLY WRONG and VILE OFFENSIVE and DREADFUL and HIDEOUS ANd HEINOUS!!! THAT IS TERRIBLE!!! that is DESPICABLE!!! PLEASE reconsider your views ASAP!!!
>

It is not considered manly to shout overblown, melodramatic, hysterical outpourings in a discussion (or, for that matter, under any circumstances). I haven't met you, or even seen a photograph of you, but I doubt that anyone has ever called you manly.

WWJWD?

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:16:24 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > > >
> > > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain). The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> > The art of manliness you say? Imagine that-- I can't, for I didn't know such a thing existed!
> Of course it existed. The male movie stars of Classic Hollywood exemplified this art -- and not just in westerns.
>
> As Archie Bunker sang: "Goils were goils and men were men."
>
> The ideal man was self-reliant, self-confident, physically fit, able to take care of himself in a fight -- and ready to protect those who can't, soft-spoken, calm in the face of adversity, not out to intimidate or control others, reliable, of sound moral character, and has his own unspoken ethical code that he'll stick to -- even to the detriment of his personal life.
>
> The hippie generation of 1960s destroyed the art of manliness -- quite possibly forever.

The man you describe is "The Loner," who rides into town/up the road/into camp. He has a mysterious background, but his name is known and feared. He is rumored to be the best and quickest shot. He is a man who doesn't say much, but observes and is always aware of his surroundings. He is not young but not old either. He is respectful to women. He takes the side of the underdog, although he would rather ride on. Children are in awe of him. He doesn't stay long--only long enough to set things right. "There's no going back from a killing, Bob." (Shane)

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:26:34 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:16:24 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > > > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain).. The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> > > The art of manliness you say? Imagine that-- I can't, for I didn't know such a thing existed!
> > Of course it existed. The male movie stars of Classic Hollywood exemplified this art -- and not just in westerns.
> >
> > As Archie Bunker sang: "Goils were goils and men were men."
> >
> > The ideal man was self-reliant, self-confident, physically fit, able to take care of himself in a fight -- and ready to protect those who can't, soft-spoken, calm in the face of adversity, not out to intimidate or control others, reliable, of sound moral character, and has his own unspoken ethical code that he'll stick to -- even to the detriment of his personal life.
> >
>
> > The hippie generation of 1960s destroyed the art of manliness -- quite possibly forever.
> and that's a very GOOD thing!!! There has to be a welcoming place in this world for ALL types of people, people on every facet of the continuum... thank god for the Socialists and Communists and artists of all types and beatniks and hippies and punks etc.. we do NOT need more FAR RIGHT WING extremists however! Didn't you say that you were a proud far right wing fascist, or something to that effect? that is OUTRAGEOUS! that is OBSCENLY WRONG and VILE OFFENSIVE and DREADFUL and HIDEOUS ANd HEINOUS!!! THAT IS TERRIBLE!!! that is DESPICABLE!!! PLEASE reconsider your views ASAP!!!

Ah, dude, you screwed up with your ALl cAPS...
And wait a minute, you said their was a place for all types, which would include far right. Dude, get a clue for I cannot help you any further because you're beyond clueless...
I take it that you're appalled...
Your tender sensibilities mauled?
No? Let me get my chain saw!
Are you thoroughly mortified?
There's a cure- and it's certified
Let me order some formaldehyde!

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:45:42 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:16:24 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > > > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain).. The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> > > The art of manliness you say? Imagine that-- I can't, for I didn't know such a thing existed!
> > Of course it existed. The male movie stars of Classic Hollywood exemplified this art -- and not just in westerns.
> >
> > As Archie Bunker sang: "Goils were goils and men were men."
> >
> > The ideal man was self-reliant, self-confident, physically fit, able to take care of himself in a fight -- and ready to protect those who can't, soft-spoken, calm in the face of adversity, not out to intimidate or control others, reliable, of sound moral character, and has his own unspoken ethical code that he'll stick to -- even to the detriment of his personal life.
> >
> > The hippie generation of 1960s destroyed the art of manliness -- quite possibly forever.
> The man you describe is "The Loner," who rides into town/up the road/into camp. He has a mysterious background, but his name is known and feared. He is rumored to be the best and quickest shot. He is a man who doesn't say much, but observes and is always aware of his surroundings. He is not young but not old either. He is respectful to women. He takes the side of the underdog, although he would rather ride on. Children are in awe of him. He doesn't stay long--only long enough to set things right. "There's no going back from a killing, Bob." (Shane)

"Do you clean anyone"
"No women, no kids. That's the rules."
~~Leon, The Professional (1994)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t105tG1Jpd8

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 10:45:42 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 2:16:24 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 6:50:02 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > > > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain).. The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> > > The art of manliness you say? Imagine that-- I can't, for I didn't know such a thing existed!
> > Of course it existed. The male movie stars of Classic Hollywood exemplified this art -- and not just in westerns.
> >
> > As Archie Bunker sang: "Goils were goils and men were men."
> >
> > The ideal man was self-reliant, self-confident, physically fit, able to take care of himself in a fight -- and ready to protect those who can't, soft-spoken, calm in the face of adversity, not out to intimidate or control others, reliable, of sound moral character, and has his own unspoken ethical code that he'll stick to -- even to the detriment of his personal life.
> >
> > The hippie generation of 1960s destroyed the art of manliness -- quite possibly forever.
> The man you describe is "The Loner," who rides into town/up the road/into camp. He has a mysterious background, but his name is known and feared. He is rumored to be the best and quickest shot. He is a man who doesn't say much, but observes and is always aware of his surroundings. He is not young but not old either. He is respectful to women. He takes the side of the underdog, although he would rather ride on. Children are in awe of him. He doesn't stay long--only long enough to set things right. "There's no going back from a killing, Bob." (Shane)
>

Yes. Shane is the archetypal hero -- or, rather, he is a man fulfilling the role of the same. Shane could have just as easily been a knight of the Round Table as a gunslinger errant. Both the book and the motion picture distill the western myth into its purest form. Wilson, Shane's nemesis, possesses many of the same manly qualities, but these have become twisted and perverted into greed, self-centeredness and sadism. Joe Starrett is manly (and an honest, loyal, hardworking, God-fearing family man), but he lacks the "artistry" of Shane (both with a gun, and in terms of personal style). Joe is roughhewn, sturdy but rather dull. He lacks the air of mystery that Shane has -- compared to knight errant Shane, Starrett is a lowly peasant. It's no wonder that Starrett's wife and son are drawn to Shane -- and that a part of them wishes that Shane might replace Starrett as the head of their family.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:59:22 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:35:56 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:30:51 AM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > > > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain).. The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> > > What I find interesting is that you have books on your
> > > nightstand. I can’t read in bed. It puts me right to sleep.
> > Reading in bed is relaxing to us, but we go to bed early enough so that we don't go right to sleep. The cell phone, tablet and computer are safely stored away.
> I do my reading on the bus... which is also where I usually catch some sleep. Lately, I've only been sleeping.

I do my reading while driving. Really annoys people, especially in the left lane.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:35:56 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 9:30:51 AM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 5:10:12 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:46:50 PM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:25:38 AM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > "Doc [...] tilted the jug over his tin cup. He was a fat, sloppy man with small eyes and a mean, petulant mouth."*
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *"The Quick and the Dead," by Louis L'Amour, Bantam Books Mass Market Edition (2016), p. 30.
> > > > > Louis also knew how a brother felt when his brother died:
> > > > >
> > > > > (p. 31) - " 'Somebody did. Shot right through my hat, too.' [Will] said. '[Brother Dave] would have to be wearin' my hat.' "
> > > > “No man knows the hour of his ending, nor can he choose the place or the manner of his going.
> > > > To each it is given to die proudly, to die well, and this is, indeed, the final measure of the man.”
> > > > ― Louis L'Amour, Hondo
> > > Very good! We have "Hondo" on the nightstand to read after we finish "The Quick and the Dead." "Hondo" and some others we have read (or are going to read) are on the list of "Best Western Novels" (not the hotel chain). The manliness secrets will be revealed.
> > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/living/reading/21-western-novels-every-man-should-read/
> > What I find interesting is that you have books on your
> > nightstand. I can’t read in bed. It puts me right to sleep.
> Reading in bed is relaxing to us, but we go to bed early enough so that we don't go right to sleep. The cell phone, tablet and computer are safely stored away.

That sounds perfectly wonderful. I would only be able to read a page a night
before falling asleep. It would take me a year or more to read a Michener novel.