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https://news.yahoo.com/tavistock-clinic-ignored-between-autism-000100526.html
February 13, 2023

Tavistock clinic ‘ignored’ link between autism and transgender children

The Tavistock clinic ignored evidence that 97.5 per cent of children seeking sex changes had autism, depression or other problems that might have explained their unhappiness, a new book claims.

Staff at the NHS facility were so determined to push a pro-transgender policy that children who might not have been trans were treated as “collateral damage” by clinicians who labelled doubters “transphobic”, a whistleblower says.

Seven in ten children had more than five “associated features” such as abuse, anxiety, eating disorders or bullying, and a social worker estimated that as few as 1 in 50 children treated at the clinic would have stayed transgender for life if they had not been given controversial drug therapy.

One clinical psychologist who worked at the Tavistock was “horrified” at the possibility that highly vulnerable children were wrongly being given irreversible drug treatments following referral by the Tavistock, but discussion of the subject was shut down by colleagues, she said.

The claims are made in Time To Think: The Inside Story of the Collapse of the Tavistock’s Gender Service for Children, by Hannah Barnes, a BBC Newsnight journalist, which is published on Feb 23.

The book, which is based on more than 100 hours of interviews with clinicians and patients, paints a picture of a clinic that became overwhelmed by demand and came under the increasing influence of transgender charities.

Children as young as 10 were referred to specialists with a view to them being prescribed puberty-blocking drugs, and others were referred after as little as 20 minutes’ consultation, the book says.

The NHS’s Gender Identity Development Service for children (Gids), which is based at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust in London, will close later this year after it was criticised in an independent review by Dr Hilary Cass. It will be replaced by regional clinics after Dr Cass said that having a single provider of gender identity services was “not a safe or viable long-term option”.

The book discloses that some staff at Gids were concerned about the levels of autism and ADHD in children referred to them, and feared that they might be unnecessarily medicating autistic children.

Autism Spectrum Disorder

Less than two per cent of children in the UK are thought to have an autism spectrum disorder, but according to Gids’s own data, around 35 per cent of its referrals “present with moderate to severe autistic traits”.

In 2000, the only clinical audit of patients ever carried out by Gids found that more than 25 per cent of referrals had spent time in care, compared with 0.67 per cent of the general population. Children referred to Gids were ten times more likely than the national average to have a registered sex offender as a parent, while 42 per cent had lost a parent through death or separation, and 70 per cent had more than five “associated features” such as anxiety, depression, abuse, self-harm, bullying, eating disorders or suicide attempts.

Anna Hutchinson, a former Gids clinician who was interviewed for the book, “feared she may be contributing to a medical scandal, where an NHS service was not stopping to think what else might be going on for so many of these vulnerable children”, the author notes. Only 2.5 per cent of the children seen at the clinic had no associated problems.

The book’s title, Time to Think, refers to the reason given by clinicians for referring children for puberty blockers who identified as transgender. They claimed that by delaying the onset of puberty, the children would have more time to think about what they wanted, and discuss the cause of their unhappiness with professionals, before their bodies went through the changes brought on by puberty.

However, in 2016 it emerged that nearly all of the children referred for assessment for puberty blockers went on to take cross-sex hormones, which would give the children some of the physical characteristics of the opposite sex.

Dr Hutchinson told Ms Barnes that she realised the puberty blockers might have been confirming a trans identity rather than simply pausing puberty, and: “I was horrified because I just suddenly thought, ‘Oh God, Oh God’.” She became concerned that Gids was getting it wrong by referring children for assessment for puberty blockers who were traumatised, abused, autistic or simply gay, but said that the finding on puberty blockers was brushed aside by staff.

Andrea Walker, a former social worker at a Gids satellite clinic in Leeds who spoke under an assumed name, estimated that “only 2 or 3 per cent” of the children seen by staff would have continued to identify as transgender for life if they had not been referred for medical intervention.

Her estimate is broadly in line with the beliefs of Domenico Di Ceglie, who founded Gids in 1989, who said only 5 per cent of patients would transition and 60 to 70 per cent would be gay. Studies elsewhere had shown that for the majority of young people who experienced gender dysphoria as children, their desire to change sex would disappear during puberty.

Some staff at Gids feared that children who would have reconciled themselves with the body they were born with were being denied that chance by the use of drugs.

Dr Hutchinson said: “The ‘non-trans-for-life group’ are just not given a second thought.’ They are treated as ‘collateral damage’.”

Mermaids

Ms Barnes chronicles how the transgender charity Mermaids put huge pressure on the clinic to refer children for drugs at a younger age and to recommend surgery, with one clinician saying they would be “absolutely attacked [by Mermaids] for just trying to stop and think with [children]”.

Ms Walker claimed that a decision by the clinic to scrap its lower age limit of 12 for sending children for assessment for puberty blockers happened because a Dutch clinic had made such a move and because “Mermaids wanted it to happen.”

One former patient, called Harriet, who was interviewed for the book had a mastectomy and then de-transitioned to resume living as a woman. She said she had just needed someone to listen to her teenage problems but instead was quickly put on puberty blockers.

She said: “It does feel a bit like waking up from a nightmare or regaining control of my mind after someone else took over.”

A spokesman for Tavistock said: “Gids works on a case-by-case basis with every young person and their family, working thoughtfully and holistically with them to explore their situation, with no expectation of what the right outcome for them might be.

“Only the minority of young people seen in the service are referred for any physical interventions. At the Tavistock and Portman, we wholeheartedly support our staff to raise concerns, and have recently strengthened our mechanisms for doing so. Concerns relating to young people’s wellbeing are taken seriously and investigated.”

A spokesman for Mermaids said: “While we advocate for the needs of transgender young people, Mermaids’ focus is and always has been supporting our service users who are, at present, struggling with a lack of clarity from NHS England on future specialist gender services for children and young people as well as unacceptable waiting times of more than three years to access life-saving treatment.

“We do not provide clinical advice but rather emotional support and information for those struggling with their gender identity, and do not seek to interfere with private clinical decisions made between a young person and their healthcare professionals, over which we have no influence.”

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Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://news.yahoo.com/tavistock-clinic-ignored-between-autism-000100526.html
> February 13, 2023
>
> Tavistock clinic ‘ignored’ link between autism and transgender children
>
> The Tavistock clinic ignored evidence that 97.5 per cent of children
> seeking sex changes had autism, depression or other problems that might
> have explained their unhappiness, a new book claims.
>
> Staff at the NHS facility were so determined to push a pro-transgender
> policy that children who might not have been trans were treated as
> "collateral damage" by clinicians who labelled doubters "transphobic", a
> whistleblower says.
>
> Seven in ten children had more than five "associated features" such as
> abuse, anxiety, eating disorders or bullying, and a social worker
> estimated that as few as 1 in 50 children treated at the clinic would
> have stayed transgender for life if they had not been given controversial drug therapy.
>
> One clinical psychologist who worked at the Tavistock was "horrified" at
> the possibility that highly vulnerable children were wrongly being given
> irreversible drug treatments following referral by the Tavistock, but
> discussion of the subject was shut down by colleagues, she said.

Where are the government officials who are supposed to protect the public
against crap like this?

Are they too busy chasing woke points themselves to step in and put a stop
to what is obviously child abuse?
>
> Ms Barnes chronicles how the transgender charity Mermaids put huge
> pressure on the clinic to refer children for drugs at a younger age and
> to recommend surgery, with one clinician saying they would be "absolutely
> attacked [by Mermaids] for just trying to stop and think with [children]".
>
> Ms Walker claimed that a decision by the clinic to scrap its lower age
> limit of 12 for sending children for assessment for puberty blockers
> happened because a Dutch clinic had made such a move and because
> "Mermaids wanted it to happen."

These people need to be arrested and imprisoned. Simple as that.

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:26 UTC

Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:

>https://news.yahoo.com/tavistock-clinic-ignored-between-autism-000100526.html

>February 13, 2023

>Tavistock clinic 'ignored' link between autism and transgender children

>The Tavistock clinic ignored evidence that 97.5 per cent of children
>seeking sex changes had autism, depression or other problems that might
>have explained their unhappiness, a new book claims.

Or, you know, they're kids. Give them a moment to grow out of it.

>Staff at the NHS facility were so determined to push a pro-transgender
>policy that children who might not have been trans were treated as
>"collateral damage" by clinicians who labelled doubters
>"transphobic", a whistleblower says.

Let's not put the best interest of the children first.

I'm not quoting the litany of horrors. This is really awful and not
unexpected when medical professionals don't put the needs of the patient
first.

>. . .

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 by: BTR1701 - Wed, 15 Feb 2023 18:34 UTC

In article <tshjdt$2pcee$1@dont-email.me>,
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >https://news.yahoo.com/tavistock-clinic-ignored-between-autism-000100526.html
>
> >February 13, 2023
>
> >Tavistock clinic 'ignored' link between autism and transgender children
>
> >The Tavistock clinic ignored evidence that 97.5 per cent of children
> >seeking sex changes had autism, depression or other problems that might
> >have explained their unhappiness, a new book claims.
>
> Or, you know, they're kids. Give them a moment to grow out of it.
>
> >Staff at the NHS facility were so determined to push a pro-transgender
> >policy that children who might not have been trans were treated as
> >"collateral damage" by clinicians who labelled doubters
> >"transphobic", a whistleblower says.
>
> Let's not put the best interest of the children first.
>
> I'm not quoting the litany of horrors. This is really awful and not
> unexpected when medical professionals don't put the needs of the patient
> first.

This is the coloring packet my 7-year-old niece got in school when
February started, supposedly as part of the Black History Month
curriculum.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7esvju0osa442/TrannyAssignment.jpg?dl=0

What 87 genders and trans-testicles have to do with black history is
anybody's guess, especially considering that blacks are a very religious
demographic and do not generally embrace this nonsense.

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 by: anim8rfsk - Wed, 15 Feb 2023 23:35 UTC

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> In article <tshjdt$2pcee$1@dont-email.me>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://news.yahoo.com/tavistock-clinic-ignored-between-autism-000100526.html
>>
>>> February 13, 2023
>>
>>> Tavistock clinic 'ignored' link between autism and transgender children
>>
>>> The Tavistock clinic ignored evidence that 97.5 per cent of children
>>> seeking sex changes had autism, depression or other problems that might
>>> have explained their unhappiness, a new book claims.
>>
>> Or, you know, they're kids. Give them a moment to grow out of it.
>>
>>> Staff at the NHS facility were so determined to push a pro-transgender
>>> policy that children who might not have been trans were treated as
>>> "collateral damage" by clinicians who labelled doubters
>>> "transphobic", a whistleblower says.
>>
>> Let's not put the best interest of the children first.
>>
>> I'm not quoting the litany of horrors. This is really awful and not
>> unexpected when medical professionals don't put the needs of the patient
>> first.
>
> This is the coloring packet my 7-year-old niece got in school when
> February started, supposedly as part of the Black History Month
> curriculum.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7esvju0osa442/TrannyAssignment.jpg?dl=0
>
> What 87 genders and trans-testicles have to do with black history is
> anybody's guess, especially considering that blacks are a very religious
> demographic and do not generally embrace this nonsense.
>

That gives me a picture of a sad dog with an empty dish.

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 by: BTR1701 - Thu, 16 Feb 2023 02:41 UTC

On Feb 15, 2023 at 3:35:52 PM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> In article <tshjdt$2pcee$1@dont-email.me>,
>> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/tavistock-clinic-ignored-between-autism-000100526.html
>>>
>>>> February 13, 2023
>>>
>>>> Tavistock clinic 'ignored' link between autism and transgender children
>>>
>>>> The Tavistock clinic ignored evidence that 97.5 per cent of children
>>>> seeking sex changes had autism, depression or other problems that might
>>>> have explained their unhappiness, a new book claims.
>>>
>>> Or, you know, they're kids. Give them a moment to grow out of it.
>>>
>>>> Staff at the NHS facility were so determined to push a pro-transgender
>>>> policy that children who might not have been trans were treated as
>>>> "collateral damage" by clinicians who labelled doubters
>>>> "transphobic", a whistleblower says.
>>>
>>> Let's not put the best interest of the children first.
>>>
>>> I'm not quoting the litany of horrors. This is really awful and not
>>> unexpected when medical professionals don't put the needs of the patient
>>> first.
>>
>> This is the coloring packet my 7-year-old niece got in school when
>> February started, supposedly as part of the Black History Month
>> curriculum.
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7esvju0osa442/TrannyAssignment.jpg?dl=0
>>
>> What 87 genders and trans-testicles have to do with black history is
>> anybody's guess, especially considering that blacks are a very religious
>> demographic and do not generally embrace this nonsense.
>>
>
> That gives me a picture of a sad dog with an empty dish.
>
> That didn't work for some reason
> If it's a fluke, it might work if you refresh the page. You can also ask us
> for help.
> Back to files

This one seems to work.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7fesvju0osa442/TrannyAssignment.jpg?dl=0

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 by: anim8rfsk - Thu, 16 Feb 2023 04:04 UTC

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> On Feb 15, 2023 at 3:35:52 PM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> In article <tshjdt$2pcee$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/tavistock-clinic-ignored-between-autism-000100526.html
>>>>
>>>>> February 13, 2023
>>>>
>>>>> Tavistock clinic 'ignored' link between autism and transgender children
>>>>
>>>>> The Tavistock clinic ignored evidence that 97.5 per cent of children
>>>>> seeking sex changes had autism, depression or other problems that might
>>>>> have explained their unhappiness, a new book claims.
>>>>
>>>> Or, you know, they're kids. Give them a moment to grow out of it.
>>>>
>>>>> Staff at the NHS facility were so determined to push a pro-transgender
>>>>> policy that children who might not have been trans were treated as
>>>>> "collateral damage" by clinicians who labelled doubters
>>>>> "transphobic", a whistleblower says.
>>>>
>>>> Let's not put the best interest of the children first.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not quoting the litany of horrors. This is really awful and not
>>>> unexpected when medical professionals don't put the needs of the patient
>>>> first.
>>>
>>> This is the coloring packet my 7-year-old niece got in school when
>>> February started, supposedly as part of the Black History Month
>>> curriculum.
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7esvju0osa442/TrannyAssignment.jpg?dl=0
>>>
>>> What 87 genders and trans-testicles have to do with black history is
>>> anybody's guess, especially considering that blacks are a very religious
>>> demographic and do not generally embrace this nonsense.
>>>
>>
>> That gives me a picture of a sad dog with an empty dish.
>>
>> That didn't work for some reason
>> If it's a fluke, it might work if you refresh the page. You can also ask us
>> for help.
>> Back to files
>
> This one seems to work.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7fesvju0osa442/TrannyAssignment.jpg?dl=0
>

Yep

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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 by: trotsky - Thu, 16 Feb 2023 11:15 UTC

On 2/15/23 8:41 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Feb 15, 2023 at 3:35:52 PM PST, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> In article <tshjdt$2pcee$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://news.yahoo.com/tavistock-clinic-ignored-between-autism-000100526.html
>>>>
>>>>> February 13, 2023
>>>>
>>>>> Tavistock clinic 'ignored' link between autism and transgender children
>>>>
>>>>> The Tavistock clinic ignored evidence that 97.5 per cent of children
>>>>> seeking sex changes had autism, depression or other problems that might
>>>>> have explained their unhappiness, a new book claims.
>>>>
>>>> Or, you know, they're kids. Give them a moment to grow out of it.
>>>>
>>>>> Staff at the NHS facility were so determined to push a pro-transgender
>>>>> policy that children who might not have been trans were treated as
>>>>> "collateral damage" by clinicians who labelled doubters
>>>>> "transphobic", a whistleblower says.
>>>>
>>>> Let's not put the best interest of the children first.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not quoting the litany of horrors. This is really awful and not
>>>> unexpected when medical professionals don't put the needs of the patient
>>>> first.
>>>
>>> This is the coloring packet my 7-year-old niece got in school when
>>> February started, supposedly as part of the Black History Month
>>> curriculum.
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7esvju0osa442/TrannyAssignment.jpg?dl=0
>>>
>>> What 87 genders and trans-testicles have to do with black history is
>>> anybody's guess, especially considering that blacks are a very religious
>>> demographic and do not generally embrace this nonsense.
>>>
>>
>> That gives me a picture of a sad dog with an empty dish.
>>
>> That didn't work for some reason
>> If it's a fluke, it might work if you refresh the page. You can also ask us
>> for help.
>> Back to files
>
> This one seems to work.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7fesvju0osa442/TrannyAssignment.jpg?dl=0

Why is it you keep shitposting this shit and I can't stop yawning?

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 by: Ubiquitous - Thu, 16 Feb 2023 14:40 UTC

atropos@mac.com wrote:
> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>> Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> https://news.yahoo.com/tavistock-clinic-ignored-between-autism-000100526.html
>>>
>>> February 13, 2023
>>> Tavistock clinic 'ignored' link between autism and transgender children
>>>
>>> The Tavistock clinic ignored evidence that 97.5 per cent of children
>>> seeking sex changes had autism, depression or other problems that might
>>> have explained their unhappiness, a new book claims.
>>
>> Or, you know, they're kids. Give them a moment to grow out of it.
>>
>>> Staff at the NHS facility were so determined to push a pro-transgender
>>> policy that children who might not have been trans were treated as
>>> "collateral damage" by clinicians who labelled doubters
>>> "transphobic", a whistleblower says.
>>
>> Let's not put the best interest of the children first.
>>
>> I'm not quoting the litany of horrors. This is really awful and not
>> unexpected when medical professionals don't put the needs of the patient
>> first.
>
> This is the coloring packet my 7-year-old niece got in school when
> February started, supposedly as part of the Black History Month
> curriculum.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7fesvju0osa442/TrannyAssignment.jpg?dl=0
>
> What 87 genders and trans-testicles have to do with black history is
> anybody's guess, especially considering that blacks are a very religious
> demographic and do not generally embrace this nonsense.

Yikes!

[Kerman's incorrect formatting fixed.]

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 by: Pluted Pup - Fri, 17 Feb 2023 19:56 UTC

On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 12:29:59 -0800, Ed Stasiak wrote:

> The claims are made in Time To Think: The Inside Story of the Collapse of the Tavistock´s Gender Service for Children, by Hannah Barnes, a BBC Newsnight journalist, which is published on Feb 23.

I'll keep my eye out for this book:

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Time-Think-Collapse-Tavistocks-Children/dp/1800751117/

even if I have to order it from the UK to USA for a
printed copy.

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> BTR1701
> > Ed Stasiak
> >
> > One clinical psychologist who worked at the Tavistock was "horrified" at
> > the possibility that highly vulnerable children were wrongly being given
> > irreversible drug treatments following referral by the Tavistock, but
> > discussion of the subject was shut down by colleagues, she said.
>
> Where are the government officials who are supposed to protect the public
> against crap like this?
>
> Are they too busy chasing woke points themselves to step in and put a stop
> to what is obviously child abuse?

NHS is the British government National Health Service and _they're_ the ones
pushing these kids to become trannies, for fear of being called homophobes
by social media.

> > Ms Barnes chronicles how the transgender charity Mermaids put huge
> > pressure on the clinic to refer children for drugs at a younger age and
> > to recommend surgery, with one clinician saying they would be "absolutely
> > attacked [by Mermaids] for just trying to stop and think with [children]".
> >
> > Ms Walker claimed that a decision by the clinic to scrap its lower age
> > limit of 12 for sending children for assessment for puberty blockers
> > happened because a Dutch clinic had made such a move and because
> > "Mermaids wanted it to happen."
>
> These people need to be arrested and imprisoned. Simple as that.

And all drugs and surgery for "transitioning" should be banned for those
under 18.

If you have to be an adult 18 or older to get a tattoo, you should have wait
until you're 18 to shoot up hormones and chop off your dick.

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 by: Pluted Pup - Fri, 17 Feb 2023 20:36 UTC

On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 11:56:56 -0800, Pluted Pup wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 12:29:59 -0800, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>
> > The claims are made in Time To Think: The Inside Story of the Collapse of the Tavistock´s Gender Service for Children, by Hannah Barnes, a BBC Newsnight journalist, which is published on Feb 23.
>
> I'll keep my eye out for this book:
>
> https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Time-Think-Collapse-Tavistocks-Children/dp/1800751117/
>
> even if I have to order it from the UK to USA for a
> printed copy.

I bought The Transgender-Industrial Complex by Howard
but I couldn't buy it at Amazon, because amazon and
all amazon connected businesses have banned the book
because it covers Jews but doesn't praise them,
unlike Shrier's book.

Similar books on transgenderism are:

Doublethink - A Feminist Challenge to Transgenderism,
by Janice G. Raymond

Irreversible Damage, by Abigail Shrier

What is a Woman, by Matt Walsh

I've flipped between these four books but have not
thoroughly read them. I see flaws, but such is the
nature of books.

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 by: BTR1701 - Fri, 17 Feb 2023 20:48 UTC

Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>> BTR1701
>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>
>>> One clinical psychologist who worked at the Tavistock was "horrified" at
>>> the possibility that highly vulnerable children were wrongly being given
>>> irreversible drug treatments following referral by the Tavistock, but
>>> discussion of the subject was shut down by colleagues, she said.
>>
>> Where are the government officials who are supposed to protect the public
>> against crap like this?
>>
>> Are they too busy chasing woke points themselves to step in and put a stop
>> to what is obviously child abuse?
>
> NHS is the British government National Health Service and _they're_ the ones
> pushing these kids to become trannies, for fear of being called homophobes
> by social media.

' PROGRESSIVES': Stop calling us groomers!

Also ' PROGRESSIVES':

https://www.dropbox.com/s/81tuu0o0c9htlc3/GroomDogLeather.jpg?dl=0

>>> Ms Barnes chronicles how the transgender charity Mermaids put huge
>>> pressure on the clinic to refer children for drugs at a younger age and
>>> to recommend surgery, with one clinician saying they would be "absolutely
>>> attacked [by Mermaids] for just trying to stop and think with [children]".
>>>
>>> Ms Walker claimed that a decision by the clinic to scrap its lower age
>>> limit of 12 for sending children for assessment for puberty blockers
>>> happened because a Dutch clinic had made such a move and because
>>> "Mermaids wanted it to happen."
>>
>> These people need to be arrested and imprisoned. Simple as that.
>
> And all drugs and surgery for "transitioning" should be banned for those
> under 18.
>
> If you have to be an adult 18 or older to get a tattoo, you should have wait
> until you're 18 to shoot up hormones and chop off your dick.

In California, you can't use a tanning bed if you're under 18.

Also in California, 13-year-old girls can have their breasts removed if
they say they're really boys.

It's not about political differences anymore. It is literally good vs evil,
and this shit is evil.

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On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:48:56 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:

> Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > BTR1701
> > > > Ed Stasiak
> > > >
> > > > One clinical psychologist who worked at the Tavistock was "horrified" at
> > > > the possibility that highly vulnerable children were wrongly being given
> > > > irreversible drug treatments following referral by the Tavistock, but
> > > > discussion of the subject was shut down by colleagues, she said.
> > >
> > > Where are the government officials who are supposed to protect the public
> > > against crap like this?
> > >
> > > Are they too busy chasing woke points themselves to step in and put a stop
> > > to what is obviously child abuse?
> >
> > NHS is the British government National Health Service and _they're_ the ones
> > pushing these kids to become trannies, for fear of being called homophobes
> > by social media.
>
> ' PROGRESSIVES': Stop calling us groomers!
>
> Also ' PROGRESSIVES':
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/81tuu0o0c9htlc3/GroomDogLeather.jpg?dl=0
>
> > > > Ms Barnes chronicles how the transgender charity Mermaids put huge
> > > > pressure on the clinic to refer children for drugs at a younger age and
> > > > to recommend surgery, with one clinician saying they would be "absolutely
> > > > attacked [by Mermaids] for just trying to stop and think with [children]".
> > > >
> > > > Ms Walker claimed that a decision by the clinic to scrap its lower age
> > > > limit of 12 for sending children for assessment for puberty blockers
> > > > happened because a Dutch clinic had made such a move and because
> > > > "Mermaids wanted it to happen."
> > >
> > > These people need to be arrested and imprisoned. Simple as that.
> >
> > And all drugs and surgery for "transitioning" should be banned for those
> > under 18.
> >
> > If you have to be an adult 18 or older to get a tattoo, you should have wait
> > until you're 18 to shoot up hormones and chop off your dick.
>
> In California, you can't use a tanning bed if you're under 18.
>
> Also in California, 13-year-old girls can have their breasts removed if
> they say they're really boys.

In California 13 year old girls are pressured by authority
figures to say they are boys and out comes the doctor with
the knife and drugs. The national media says criticism of this
practice is a crime.

>
> It's not about political differences anymore. It is literally good vs evil,
> and this shit is evil.

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On Feb 17, 2023 at 12:25:13 PM PST, "Ed Stasiak" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com>
wrote:

>> BTR1701
>> > Ed Stasiak
>> >
>> > One clinical psychologist who worked at the Tavistock was "horrified" at
>> > the possibility that highly vulnerable children were wrongly being given
>> > irreversible drug treatments following referral by the Tavistock, but
>> > discussion of the subject was shut down by colleagues, she said.
>>
>> Where are the government officials who are supposed to protect the public
>> against crap like this?
>>
>> Are they too busy chasing woke points themselves to step in and put a stop
>> to what is obviously child abuse?
>
> NHS is the British government National Health Service and _they're_ the ones
> pushing these kids to become trannies, for fear of being called homophobes
> by social media.

I'm starting to think welcoming our new Chinese overlords wouldn't be so bad.

Are they incapable of invention and habitually driven to IP theft? Okay, yes.

Do they pollute indiscriminately and reject most basic freedoms? All right,
fine.

But they aren't doing any of this tranny horseshit, so I'm in.

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 by: BTR1701 - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 04:02 UTC

On Feb 14, 2023 at 7:26:53 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> https://news.yahoo.com/tavistock-clinic-ignored-between-autism-000100526.html
>
>> February 13, 2023
>
>> Tavistock clinic 'ignored' link between autism and transgender children
>
>> The Tavistock clinic ignored evidence that 97.5 per cent of children
>> seeking sex changes had autism, depression or other problems that might
>> have explained their unhappiness, a new book claims.
>
> Or, you know, they're kids. Give them a moment to grow out of it.
>
>> Staff at the NHS facility were so determined to push a pro-transgender
>> policy that children who might not have been trans were treated as
>> "collateral damage" by clinicians who labelled doubters
>> "transphobic", a whistleblower says.
>
> Let's not put the best interest of the children first.
>
> I'm not quoting the litany of horrors. This is really awful and not
> unexpected when medical professionals don't put the needs of the patient
> first.

A grown man documenting his journey to "girlhood" got invited to meet with the
(nominal) leader of the Free World after calling a woman's vagina a "Barbie
pouch" and playing with tampons on TikTok.** If you still don't think we're
being run by lunatics, you are not gonna make it.

Meanwhile, that same (nominal) leader told a black audience today that white
Americans literally want to lynch them, then stand around and take selfies
with the hanging bodies. Unity!

Living under this administration is like being tied to a chair and being
forced to watch a toddler play with a loaded pistol.

** https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/video/7156708652110449962

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On 2/17/23 2:48 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> BTR1701
>>>> Ed Stasiak
>>>>
>>>> One clinical psychologist who worked at the Tavistock was "horrified" at
>>>> the possibility that highly vulnerable children were wrongly being given
>>>> irreversible drug treatments following referral by the Tavistock, but
>>>> discussion of the subject was shut down by colleagues, she said.
>>>
>>> Where are the government officials who are supposed to protect the public
>>> against crap like this?
>>>
>>> Are they too busy chasing woke points themselves to step in and put a stop
>>> to what is obviously child abuse?
>>
>> NHS is the British government National Health Service and _they're_ the ones
>> pushing these kids to become trannies, for fear of being called homophobes
>> by social media.
>
> ' PROGRESSIVES': Stop calling us groomers!
>
> Also ' PROGRESSIVES':
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/81tuu0o0c9htlc3/GroomDogLeather.jpg?dl=0

Yeah, I don't know if you know this but they've been saying "let your
freak flag fly" since the 60s. Should we do Republicans now? Why did
the Jewish Space lasers shoot down the spy balloons? Was it because of
Hunter's laptop?

Face it, the right wing has a stranglehold on total horseshit.

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 by: trotsky - Sat, 18 Feb 2023 12:30 UTC

On 2/17/23 10:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Feb 14, 2023 at 7:26:53 PM PST, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> Ed Stasiak <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> https://news.yahoo.com/tavistock-clinic-ignored-between-autism-000100526.html
>>
>>> February 13, 2023
>>
>>> Tavistock clinic 'ignored' link between autism and transgender children
>>
>>> The Tavistock clinic ignored evidence that 97.5 per cent of children
>>> seeking sex changes had autism, depression or other problems that might
>>> have explained their unhappiness, a new book claims.
>>
>> Or, you know, they're kids. Give them a moment to grow out of it.
>>
>>> Staff at the NHS facility were so determined to push a pro-transgender
>>> policy that children who might not have been trans were treated as
>>> "collateral damage" by clinicians who labelled doubters
>>> "transphobic", a whistleblower says.
>>
>> Let's not put the best interest of the children first.
>>
>> I'm not quoting the litany of horrors. This is really awful and not
>> unexpected when medical professionals don't put the needs of the patient
>> first.
>
> A grown man documenting his journey to "girlhood"

Are you talking about Republican and chronic liar George Santos?

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On 2/17/2023 10:46 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Feb 17, 2023 at 12:25:13 PM PST, "Ed Stasiak" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> BTR1701
>>> > Ed Stasiak
>>> >
>>> > One clinical psychologist who worked at the Tavistock was "horrified" at
>>> > the possibility that highly vulnerable children were wrongly being given
>>> > irreversible drug treatments following referral by the Tavistock, but
>>> > discussion of the subject was shut down by colleagues, she said.
>>>
>>> Where are the government officials who are supposed to protect the public
>>> against crap like this?
>>>
>>> Are they too busy chasing woke points themselves to step in and put a stop
>>> to what is obviously child abuse?
>>
>> NHS is the British government National Health Service and _they're_ the ones
>> pushing these kids to become trannies, for fear of being called homophobes
>> by social media.
>
> I'm starting to think welcoming our new Chinese overlords wouldn't be so bad.
>
> Are they incapable of invention and habitually driven to IP theft? Okay, yes.
>
> Do they pollute indiscriminately and reject most basic freedoms? All right,
> fine.
>
> But they aren't doing any of this tranny horseshit, so I'm in.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107468

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 by: BTR1701 - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 00:44 UTC

On Feb 18, 2023 at 7:35:25 AM PST, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 2/17/2023 10:46 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> On Feb 17, 2023 at 12:25:13 PM PST, "Ed Stasiak" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> BTR1701
>>>> > Ed Stasiak
>>>> >
>>>> > One clinical psychologist who worked at the Tavistock was "horrified" at
>>>> > the possibility that highly vulnerable children were wrongly being given
>>>> > irreversible drug treatments following referral by the Tavistock, but
>>>> > discussion of the subject was shut down by colleagues, she said.
>>>>
>>>> Where are the government officials who are supposed to protect the public
>>>> against crap like this?
>>>>
>>>> Are they too busy chasing woke points themselves to step in and put a stop
>>>> to what is obviously child abuse?
>>>
>>> NHS is the British government National Health Service and _they're_ the ones
>>> pushing these kids to become trannies, for fear of being called homophobes
>>> by social media.
>>
>> I'm starting to think welcoming our new Chinese overlords wouldn't be so
>> bad.
>>
>> Are they incapable of invention and habitually driven to IP theft? Okay,
>> yes.
>>
>> Do they pollute indiscriminately and reject most basic freedoms? All right,
>> fine.
>>
>> But they aren't doing any of this tranny horseshit, so I'm in.
>
> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107468

Not a Chinese film, though, is it. Made in America, the land of the trannies.

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 by: trotsky - Sun, 19 Feb 2023 10:32 UTC

On 2/18/23 6:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Feb 18, 2023 at 7:35:25 AM PST, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/17/2023 10:46 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On Feb 17, 2023 at 12:25:13 PM PST, "Ed Stasiak" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> BTR1701
>>>>> > Ed Stasiak
>>>>> >
>>>>> > One clinical psychologist who worked at the Tavistock was "horrified" at
>>>>> > the possibility that highly vulnerable children were wrongly being given
>>>>> > irreversible drug treatments following referral by the Tavistock, but
>>>>> > discussion of the subject was shut down by colleagues, she said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are the government officials who are supposed to protect the public
>>>>> against crap like this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are they too busy chasing woke points themselves to step in and put a stop
>>>>> to what is obviously child abuse?
>>>>
>>>> NHS is the British government National Health Service and _they're_ the ones
>>>> pushing these kids to become trannies, for fear of being called homophobes
>>>> by social media.
>>>
>>> I'm starting to think welcoming our new Chinese overlords wouldn't be so
>>> bad.
>>>
>>> Are they incapable of invention and habitually driven to IP theft? Okay,
>>> yes.
>>>
>>> Do they pollute indiscriminately and reject most basic freedoms? All right,
>>> fine.
>>>
>>> But they aren't doing any of this tranny horseshit, so I'm in.
>>
>> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107468
>
> Not a Chinese film, though, is it. Made in America, the land of the trannies.

So let's see if I have this right: you have problems with California,
you don't leave. You have problems with "America" (I use quotes because
there is no "land of the trannies" unless you're talking about Silicon
Valley and transistors) and you don't leave. It sure seems easy to
conclude both of these are because you have no testicles. You're all
set to become a "tranny" actually.

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