Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I. Porter at:
https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/

Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?

We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I. Porter at:
> https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
>
> Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
>
> We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”

Interesting article. I have to take issue with the author's contention that "the ruins of Troy that have so far been excavated do not show the signs of having been burned to ash by a conquering army." From what I've read and seen in PBS documentaries, Troys VI and VIIs show signs of having been besieged and/or burned.

As to Homer: there are similar theories about Shakespeare (including an extremely convincing one that he was a woman). We know that Shakespeare was a real person... just not whether he actually wrote any of the plays/poetry attributed to him. Which goes to show that theorists/revisionists are going to come up with new theories about anyone/anything that leaves room for speculation.

I shall continue to think of Homer as a blind poet, until such time as one of these speculative theories can actually be documented.

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 5:00:05 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I. Porter at:
> > https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
> >
> > Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
> >
> > We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”
> Interesting article. I have to take issue with the author's contention that "the ruins of Troy that have so far been excavated do not show the signs of having been burned to ash by a conquering army." From what I've read and seen in PBS documentaries, Troys VI and VIIs show signs of having been besieged and/or burned.
>
> As to Homer: there are similar theories about Shakespeare (including an extremely convincing one that he was a woman). We know that Shakespeare was a real person... just not whether he actually wrote any of the plays/poetry attributed to him. Which goes to show that theorists/revisionists are going to come up with new theories about anyone/anything that leaves room for speculation.
>
> I shall continue to think of Homer as a blind poet, until such time as one of these speculative theories can actually be documented.

Nowhere in Homer's poetry is the color blue ever mentioned. I have no idea what it means.

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:03:14 AM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 5:00:05 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I. Porter at:
> > > https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
> > >
> > > Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
> > >
> > > We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”
> > Interesting article. I have to take issue with the author's contention that "the ruins of Troy that have so far been excavated do not show the signs of having been burned to ash by a conquering army." From what I've read and seen in PBS documentaries, Troys VI and VIIs show signs of having been besieged and/or burned.
> >
> > As to Homer: there are similar theories about Shakespeare (including an extremely convincing one that he was a woman). We know that Shakespeare was a real person... just not whether he actually wrote any of the plays/poetry attributed to him. Which goes to show that theorists/revisionists are going to come up with new theories about anyone/anything that leaves room for speculation.
> >
> > I shall continue to think of Homer as a blind poet, until such time as one of these speculative theories can actually be documented.
> Nowhere in Homer's poetry is the color blue ever mentioned. I have no idea what it means.

That's true. It means that Homer could not have written "Batty's Hat," because he had no words.

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 7:31:39 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 11:03:14 AM UTC, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 5:00:05 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I. Porter at:
> > > > https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
> > > >
> > > > Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
> > > >
> > > > We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”
> > > Interesting article. I have to take issue with the author's contention that "the ruins of Troy that have so far been excavated do not show the signs of having been burned to ash by a conquering army." From what I've read and seen in PBS documentaries, Troys VI and VIIs show signs of having been besieged and/or burned.
> > >
> > > As to Homer: there are similar theories about Shakespeare (including an extremely convincing one that he was a woman). We know that Shakespeare was a real person... just not whether he actually wrote any of the plays/poetry attributed to him. Which goes to show that theorists/revisionists are going to come up with new theories about anyone/anything that leaves room for speculation.
> > >
> > > I shall continue to think of Homer as a blind poet, until such time as one of these speculative theories can actually be documented.
> > Nowhere in Homer's poetry is the color blue ever mentioned. I have no idea what it means.
> That's true. It means that Homer could not have written "Batty's Hat," because he had no words.

D’oh! 🤦‍♂️

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I. Porter at:
> https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
>
> Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
>
> We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”

We say, as Pendragon does, it's all speculation...

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 7:03:14 AM UTC-4, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 5:00:05 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>
> > > Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I. Porter at:
> > > https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
> > >
> > > Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
> > >
> > > We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”
> > Interesting article. I have to take issue with the author's contention that "the ruins of Troy that have so far been excavated do not show the signs of having been burned to ash by a conquering army." From what I've read and seen in PBS documentaries, Troys VI and VIIs show signs of having been besieged and/or burned.
> >
> > As to Homer: there are similar theories about Shakespeare (including an extremely convincing one that he was a woman). We know that Shakespeare was a real person... just not whether he actually wrote any of the plays/poetry attributed to him. Which goes to show that theorists/revisionists are going to come up with new theories about anyone/anything that leaves room for speculation.
> >
> > I shall continue to think of Homer as a blind poet, until such time as one of these speculative theories can actually be documented.
> Nowhere in Homer's poetry is the color blue ever mentioned. I have no idea what it means.

fascinating, this should be the quote of the day...!

Zod wrote:
> Spam-I-Am wrote:
>

>> Nowhere in Homer's poetry is the color blue ever mentioned. I have no idea what it means.

> fascinating, this should be the quote of the day...!

Agreed, that's a striking observation

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:00:05 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I. Porter at:
> > https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
> >
> > Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
> >
> > We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”
> Interesting article. I have to take issue with the author's contention that "the ruins of Troy that have so far been excavated do not show the signs of having been burned to ash by a conquering army." From what I've read and seen in PBS documentaries, Troys VI and VIIs show signs of having been besieged and/or burned.

We have read that the ruins of Troy (Troia) are Troy VI and VII (and VIIa). Since those are dated to 1750 BC to 1180 BC, and Homer was supposed to have written "The Iliad" ~750 BC, that would only be 400 years or so after the events. Oral traditions (stories) have been theorized as dating back 7000-10,000 years, so four hundred years would not be unreliable. The world knows much of history from the 1700s and earlier, which no one is questioning.
>
> As to Homer: there are similar theories about Shakespeare (including an extremely convincing one that he was a woman). We know that Shakespeare was a real person... just not whether he actually wrote any of the plays/poetry attributed to him. Which goes to show that theorists/revisionists are going to come up with new theories about anyone/anything that leaves room for speculation.
We have seen the conspiracy theories in our own lifetimes, how stories and facts get twisted. Who is actually dead? Who is in hiding?
>
> I shall continue to think of Homer as a blind poet, until such time as one of these speculative theories can actually be documented.
We don't care if he was blind--just that he was a good writer and remembered the stories fairly accurately.

Speaking of Troia, we read (as young scholars) of Heinrich Schliemann's excavations. However, he tore through the layers and destroyed immensely valuable history in his haste and ineptitude. Archeologists today weep. We remember seeing the photo of Schliemann's wife wearing the jewels that he had found and named "Jewels of Helen" or "Priam's Treasure." Those disappeared for a while but we see that most of them are now in Moscow's Pushkin Museum. He had the wrong layer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priam%27s_Treasure#/media/File:Sophia_schliemann_treasure.jpg
https://joyofmuseums.com/museums/russian-federation/moscow-museums/pushkin-museum/priams-treasure/

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:32:57 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:00:05 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I. Porter at:
> > > https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
> > >
> > > Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
> > >
> > > We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”
> > Interesting article. I have to take issue with the author's contention that "the ruins of Troy that have so far been excavated do not show the signs of having been burned to ash by a conquering army." From what I've read and seen in PBS documentaries, Troys VI and VIIs show signs of having been besieged and/or burned.
> We have read that the ruins of Troy (Troia) are Troy VI and VII (and VIIa). Since those are dated to 1750 BC to 1180 BC, and Homer was supposed to have written "The Iliad" ~750 BC, that would only be 400 years or so after the events. Oral traditions (stories) have been theorized as dating back 7000-10,000 years, so four hundred years would not be unreliable. The world knows much of history from the 1700s and earlier, which no one is questioning..
> >

The concept of a "year" in prehistoric times is open to interpretation. As has been theorized regarding the length of human lives reported in "Genesis," a year may have constituted a single lunar cycle. Counting by lunar cycles, the events would have taken place roughly 4,800 years before Homer's time -- and, since there were no calendars or written records, it's highly plausible that the oral traditions might have rounded up a few millennia.

> > As to Homer: there are similar theories about Shakespeare (including an extremely convincing one that he was a woman). We know that Shakespeare was a real person... just not whether he actually wrote any of the plays/poetry attributed to him. Which goes to show that theorists/revisionists are going to come up with new theories about anyone/anything that leaves room for speculation.
> We have seen the conspiracy theories in our own lifetimes, how stories and facts get twisted. Who is actually dead? Who is in hiding?
> >
> > I shall continue to think of Homer as a blind poet, until such time as one of these speculative theories can actually be documented.
> We don't care if he was blind--just that he was a good writer and remembered the stories fairly accurately.
>
> Speaking of Troia, we read (as young scholars) of Heinrich Schliemann's excavations. However, he tore through the layers and destroyed immensely valuable history in his haste and ineptitude. Archeologists today weep. We remember seeing the photo of Schliemann's wife wearing the jewels that he had found and named "Jewels of Helen" or "Priam's Treasure." Those disappeared for a while but we see that most of them are now in Moscow's Pushkin Museum.. He had the wrong layer.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priam%27s_Treasure#/media/File:Sophia_schliemann_treasure.jpg
> https://joyofmuseums.com/museums/russian-federation/moscow-museums/pushkin-museum/priams-treasure/

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:58:47 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:32:57 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:00:05 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I. Porter at:
> > > > https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
> > > >
> > > > Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
> > > >
> > > > We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”
> > > Interesting article. I have to take issue with the author's contention that "the ruins of Troy that have so far been excavated do not show the signs of having been burned to ash by a conquering army." From what I've read and seen in PBS documentaries, Troys VI and VIIs show signs of having been besieged and/or burned.
> > We have read that the ruins of Troy (Troia) are Troy VI and VII (and VIIa). Since those are dated to 1750 BC to 1180 BC, and Homer was supposed to have written "The Iliad" ~750 BC, that would only be 400 years or so after the events. Oral traditions (stories) have been theorized as dating back 7000-10,000 years, so four hundred years would not be unreliable. The world knows much of history from the 1700s and earlier, which no one is questioning.
> > >
> The concept of a "year" in prehistoric times is open to interpretation. As has been theorized regarding the length of human lives reported in "Genesis," a year may have constituted a single lunar cycle. Counting by lunar cycles, the events would have taken place roughly 4,800 years before Homer's time -- and, since there were no calendars or written records, it's highly plausible that the oral traditions might have rounded up a few millennia.

True, but archaeological methods can give an estimate on the ages of the layers of the proposed Troy site. Schliemann messed things up (Troy III-V) pretty badly for subsequent excavations, but the Law of Superposition can be used (although there has been some reworking in the soil layers). Pottery sherds can be dated. Burned wood fragments have been found, but there is always doubt about how old the wood actually is/was. We have to find Hector's burial place (maybe a wooden cross and drag marks) to be sure that Homer got it right.

Some informative pictures of the site:
https://www.worldatlas.com/ancient-world/where-was-troy-and-what-happened-to-it.html

> > > As to Homer: there are similar theories about Shakespeare (including an extremely convincing one that he was a woman). We know that Shakespeare was a real person... just not whether he actually wrote any of the plays/poetry attributed to him. Which goes to show that theorists/revisionists are going to come up with new theories about anyone/anything that leaves room for speculation.
> > We have seen the conspiracy theories in our own lifetimes, how stories and facts get twisted. Who is actually dead? Who is in hiding?
> > >
> > > I shall continue to think of Homer as a blind poet, until such time as one of these speculative theories can actually be documented.
> > We don't care if he was blind--just that he was a good writer and remembered the stories fairly accurately.
> >
> > Speaking of Troia, we read (as young scholars) of Heinrich Schliemann's excavations. However, he tore through the layers and destroyed immensely valuable history in his haste and ineptitude. Archeologists today weep. We remember seeing the photo of Schliemann's wife wearing the jewels that he had found and named "Jewels of Helen" or "Priam's Treasure." Those disappeared for a while but we see that most of them are now in Moscow's Pushkin Museum. He had the wrong layer.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priam%27s_Treasure#/media/File:Sophia_schliemann_treasure.jpg
> > https://joyofmuseums.com/museums/russian-federation/moscow-museums/pushkin-museum/priams-treasure/

On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 10:17:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
> > Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >
>
> >> Nowhere in Homer's poetry is the color blue ever mentioned. I have no idea what it means.
>
> > fascinating, this should be the quote of the day...!
> Agreed, that's a striking observation

Yep...!

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:28:54 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 10:17:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Zod wrote:
> > > Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >> Nowhere in Homer's poetry is the color blue ever mentioned. I have no idea what it means.
> >
> > > fascinating, this should be the quote of the day...!
> > Agreed, that's a striking observation
> Yep...!

Shut up, Todd.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:48:21 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:28:54 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 10:17:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > >> Nowhere in Homer's poetry is the color blue ever mentioned. I have no idea what it means.
> > >
> > > > fascinating, this should be the quote of the day...!
> > > Agreed, that's a striking observation
> > Yep...!
> Shut up, Todd.

You first, Voodoo Boy... ha ha.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:27:48 PM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:58:47 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:32:57 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:00:05 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I. Porter at:
> > > > > https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
> > > > >
> > > > > Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
> > > > >
> > > > > We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”
> > > > Interesting article. I have to take issue with the author's contention that "the ruins of Troy that have so far been excavated do not show the signs of having been burned to ash by a conquering army." From what I've read and seen in PBS documentaries, Troys VI and VIIs show signs of having been besieged and/or burned.
> > > We have read that the ruins of Troy (Troia) are Troy VI and VII (and VIIa). Since those are dated to 1750 BC to 1180 BC, and Homer was supposed to have written "The Iliad" ~750 BC, that would only be 400 years or so after the events. Oral traditions (stories) have been theorized as dating back 7000-10,000 years, so four hundred years would not be unreliable. The world knows much of history from the 1700s and earlier, which no one is questioning.
> > > >
> > The concept of a "year" in prehistoric times is open to interpretation. As has been theorized regarding the length of human lives reported in "Genesis," a year may have constituted a single lunar cycle. Counting by lunar cycles, the events would have taken place roughly 4,800 years before Homer's time -- and, since there were no calendars or written records, it's highly plausible that the oral traditions might have rounded up a few millennia.
> True, but archaeological methods can give an estimate on the ages of the layers of the proposed Troy site. Schliemann messed things up (Troy III-V) pretty badly for subsequent excavations, but the Law of Superposition can be used (although there has been some reworking in the soil layers). Pottery sherds can be dated. Burned wood fragments have been found, but there is always doubt about how old the wood actually is/was. We have to find Hector's burial place (maybe a wooden cross and drag marks) to be sure that Homer got it right.
>
> Some informative pictures of the site:
> https://www.worldatlas.com/ancient-world/where-was-troy-and-what-happened-to-it.html
> > > > As to Homer: there are similar theories about Shakespeare (including an extremely convincing one that he was a woman). We know that Shakespeare was a real person... just not whether he actually wrote any of the plays/poetry attributed to him. Which goes to show that theorists/revisionists are going to come up with new theories about anyone/anything that leaves room for speculation.
> > > We have seen the conspiracy theories in our own lifetimes, how stories and facts get twisted. Who is actually dead? Who is in hiding?
> > > >
> > > > I shall continue to think of Homer as a blind poet, until such time as one of these speculative theories can actually be documented.
> > > We don't care if he was blind--just that he was a good writer and remembered the stories fairly accurately.
> > >
> > > Speaking of Troia, we read (as young scholars) of Heinrich Schliemann's excavations. However, he tore through the layers and destroyed immensely valuable history in his haste and ineptitude. Archeologists today weep. We remember seeing the photo of Schliemann's wife wearing the jewels that he had found and named "Jewels of Helen" or "Priam's Treasure." Those disappeared for a while but we see that most of them are now in Moscow's Pushkin Museum. He had the wrong layer.
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priam%27s_Treasure#/media/File:Sophia_schliemann_treasure.jpg
> > > https://joyofmuseums.com/museums/russian-federation/moscow-museums/pushkin-museum/priams-treasure/

To get back to the science. Please see our comments above.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:49:30 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:48:21 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:28:54 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 10:17:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > > >> Nowhere in Homer's poetry is the color blue ever mentioned. I have no idea what it means.
> > > >
> > > > > fascinating, this should be the quote of the day...!
> > > > Agreed, that's a striking observation
> > > Yep...!
> > Shut up, Todd.
> You first, Voodoo Boy... ha ha.

Pendragon shut up?

Don't hold your breath.

🙂

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 4:10:59 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:27:48 PM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:58:47 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:32:57 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:00:05 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I.. Porter at:
> > > > > > https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”
> > > > > Interesting article. I have to take issue with the author's contention that "the ruins of Troy that have so far been excavated do not show the signs of having been burned to ash by a conquering army." From what I've read and seen in PBS documentaries, Troys VI and VIIs show signs of having been besieged and/or burned.
> > > > We have read that the ruins of Troy (Troia) are Troy VI and VII (and VIIa). Since those are dated to 1750 BC to 1180 BC, and Homer was supposed to have written "The Iliad" ~750 BC, that would only be 400 years or so after the events. Oral traditions (stories) have been theorized as dating back 7000-10,000 years, so four hundred years would not be unreliable. The world knows much of history from the 1700s and earlier, which no one is questioning.
> > > > >
> > > The concept of a "year" in prehistoric times is open to interpretation. As has been theorized regarding the length of human lives reported in "Genesis," a year may have constituted a single lunar cycle. Counting by lunar cycles, the events would have taken place roughly 4,800 years before Homer's time -- and, since there were no calendars or written records, it's highly plausible that the oral traditions might have rounded up a few millennia.
> > True, but archaeological methods can give an estimate on the ages of the layers of the proposed Troy site. Schliemann messed things up (Troy III-V) pretty badly for subsequent excavations, but the Law of Superposition can be used (although there has been some reworking in the soil layers). Pottery sherds can be dated. Burned wood fragments have been found, but there is always doubt about how old the wood actually is/was. We have to find Hector's burial place (maybe a wooden cross and drag marks) to be sure that Homer got it right.
> >
> > Some informative pictures of the site:
> > https://www.worldatlas.com/ancient-world/where-was-troy-and-what-happened-to-it.html
> > > > > As to Homer: there are similar theories about Shakespeare (including an extremely convincing one that he was a woman). We know that Shakespeare was a real person... just not whether he actually wrote any of the plays/poetry attributed to him. Which goes to show that theorists/revisionists are going to come up with new theories about anyone/anything that leaves room for speculation.
> > > > We have seen the conspiracy theories in our own lifetimes, how stories and facts get twisted. Who is actually dead? Who is in hiding?
> > > > >
> > > > > I shall continue to think of Homer as a blind poet, until such time as one of these speculative theories can actually be documented.
> > > > We don't care if he was blind--just that he was a good writer and remembered the stories fairly accurately.
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of Troia, we read (as young scholars) of Heinrich Schliemann's excavations. However, he tore through the layers and destroyed immensely valuable history in his haste and ineptitude. Archeologists today weep. We remember seeing the photo of Schliemann's wife wearing the jewels that he had found and named "Jewels of Helen" or "Priam's Treasure." Those disappeared for a while but we see that most of them are now in Moscow's Pushkin Museum. He had the wrong layer.
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priam%27s_Treasure#/media/File:Sophia_schliemann_treasure.jpg
> > > > https://joyofmuseums.com/museums/russian-federation/moscow-museums/pushkin-museum/priams-treasure/
> To get back to the science. Please see our comments above.

My apologies, but you should start a new thread, this one needs to be incinerated, the only way to get rid of the pestilence of the "real poetry" infestation...

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 4:29:57 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 4:10:59 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:27:48 PM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:58:47 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:32:57 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:00:05 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I. Porter at:
> > > > > > > https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”
> > > > > > Interesting article. I have to take issue with the author's contention that "the ruins of Troy that have so far been excavated do not show the signs of having been burned to ash by a conquering army." From what I've read and seen in PBS documentaries, Troys VI and VIIs show signs of having been besieged and/or burned.
> > > > > We have read that the ruins of Troy (Troia) are Troy VI and VII (and VIIa). Since those are dated to 1750 BC to 1180 BC, and Homer was supposed to have written "The Iliad" ~750 BC, that would only be 400 years or so after the events. Oral traditions (stories) have been theorized as dating back 7000-10,000 years, so four hundred years would not be unreliable. The world knows much of history from the 1700s and earlier, which no one is questioning.
> > > > > >
> > > > The concept of a "year" in prehistoric times is open to interpretation. As has been theorized regarding the length of human lives reported in "Genesis," a year may have constituted a single lunar cycle. Counting by lunar cycles, the events would have taken place roughly 4,800 years before Homer's time -- and, since there were no calendars or written records, it's highly plausible that the oral traditions might have rounded up a few millennia.
> > > True, but archaeological methods can give an estimate on the ages of the layers of the proposed Troy site. Schliemann messed things up (Troy III-V) pretty badly for subsequent excavations, but the Law of Superposition can be used (although there has been some reworking in the soil layers). Pottery sherds can be dated. Burned wood fragments have been found, but there is always doubt about how old the wood actually is/was. We have to find Hector's burial place (maybe a wooden cross and drag marks) to be sure that Homer got it right.
> > >
> > > Some informative pictures of the site:
> > > https://www.worldatlas.com/ancient-world/where-was-troy-and-what-happened-to-it.html
> > > > > > As to Homer: there are similar theories about Shakespeare (including an extremely convincing one that he was a woman). We know that Shakespeare was a real person... just not whether he actually wrote any of the plays/poetry attributed to him. Which goes to show that theorists/revisionists are going to come up with new theories about anyone/anything that leaves room for speculation.
> > > > > We have seen the conspiracy theories in our own lifetimes, how stories and facts get twisted. Who is actually dead? Who is in hiding?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I shall continue to think of Homer as a blind poet, until such time as one of these speculative theories can actually be documented.
> > > > > We don't care if he was blind--just that he was a good writer and remembered the stories fairly accurately.
> > > > >
> > > > > Speaking of Troia, we read (as young scholars) of Heinrich Schliemann's excavations. However, he tore through the layers and destroyed immensely valuable history in his haste and ineptitude. Archeologists today weep.. We remember seeing the photo of Schliemann's wife wearing the jewels that he had found and named "Jewels of Helen" or "Priam's Treasure." Those disappeared for a while but we see that most of them are now in Moscow's Pushkin Museum. He had the wrong layer.
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priam%27s_Treasure#/media/File:Sophia_schliemann_treasure.jpg
> > > > > https://joyofmuseums.com/museums/russian-federation/moscow-museums/pushkin-museum/priams-treasure/
> > To get back to the science. Please see our comments above.
> My apologies, but you should start a new thread, this one needs to be incinerated, the only way to get rid of the pestilence of the "real poetry" infestation...

Case in point. On the Cash thread, I post prose and what does sWill post? Troll stool!

Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 4:29:57 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:27:48 PM UTC, NancyGene wrote:
>> > > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:58:47 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:32:57 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
>> > > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:00:05 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>> > > > > > > Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I. Porter at:
>> > > > > > > https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”
>> > > > > > Interesting article. I have to take issue with the author's contention that "the ruins of Troy that have so far been excavated do not show the signs of having been burned to ash by a conquering army." From what I've read and seen in PBS documentaries, Troys VI and VIIs show signs of having been besieged and/or burned.
>> > > > > We have read that the ruins of Troy (Troia) are Troy VI and VII (and VIIa). Since those are dated to 1750 BC to 1180 BC, and Homer was supposed to have written "The Iliad" ~750 BC, that would only be 400 years or so after the events. Oral traditions (stories) have been theorized as dating back 7000-10,000 years, so four hundred years would not be unreliable. The world knows much of history from the 1700s and earlier, which no one is questioning.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > The concept of a "year" in prehistoric times is open to interpretation. As has been theorized regarding the length of human lives reported in "Genesis," a year may have constituted a single lunar cycle. Counting by lunar cycles, the events would have taken place roughly 4,800 years before Homer's time -- and, since there were no calendars or written records, it's highly plausible that the oral traditions might have rounded up a few millennia.
>> > > True, but archaeological methods can give an estimate on the ages of the layers of the proposed Troy site. Schliemann messed things up (Troy III-V) pretty badly for subsequent excavations, but the Law of Superposition can be used (although there has been some reworking in the soil layers). Pottery sherds can be dated. Burned wood fragments have been found, but there is always doubt about how old the wood actually is/was. We have to find Hector's burial place (maybe a wooden cross and drag marks) to be sure that Homer got it right.
>> > >
>> > > Some informative pictures of the site:
>> > > https://www.worldatlas.com/ancient-world/where-was-troy-and-what-happened-to-it.html
>> > > > > > As to Homer: there are similar theories about Shakespeare (including an extremely convincing one that he was a woman). We know that Shakespeare was a real person... just not whether he actually wrote any of the plays/poetry attributed to him. Which goes to show that theorists/revisionists are going to come up with new theories about anyone/anything that leaves room for speculation.
>> > > > > We have seen the conspiracy theories in our own lifetimes, how stories and facts get twisted. Who is actually dead? Who is in hiding?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I shall continue to think of Homer as a blind poet, until such time as one of these speculative theories can actually be documented.
>> > > > > We don't care if he was blind--just that he was a good writer and remembered the stories fairly accurately.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Speaking of Troia, we read (as young scholars) of Heinrich Schliemann's excavations. However, he tore through the layers and destroyed immensely valuable history in his haste and ineptitude. Archeologists today weep.. We remember seeing the photo of Schliemann's wife wearing the jewels that he had found and named "Jewels of Helen" or "Priam's Treasure." Those disappeared for a while but we see that most of them are now in Moscow's Pushkin Museum. He had the wrong layer.
>> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priam%27s_Treasure#/media/File:Sophia_schliemann_treasure.jpg
>> > > > > https://joyofmuseums.com/museums/russian-federation/moscow-museums/pushkin-museum/priams-treasure/
>> > To get back to the science. Please see our comments above.
>

> Case in point. On the Cash thread, I post prose

You flatter yourself.

🙂

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:27:48 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:58:47 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:32:57 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:00:05 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I. Porter at:
> > > > > https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
> > > > >
> > > > > Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
> > > > >
> > > > > We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”
> > > > Interesting article. I have to take issue with the author's contention that "the ruins of Troy that have so far been excavated do not show the signs of having been burned to ash by a conquering army." From what I've read and seen in PBS documentaries, Troys VI and VIIs show signs of having been besieged and/or burned.
> > > We have read that the ruins of Troy (Troia) are Troy VI and VII (and VIIa). Since those are dated to 1750 BC to 1180 BC, and Homer was supposed to have written "The Iliad" ~750 BC, that would only be 400 years or so after the events. Oral traditions (stories) have been theorized as dating back 7000-10,000 years, so four hundred years would not be unreliable. The world knows much of history from the 1700s and earlier, which no one is questioning.
> > > >
> > The concept of a "year" in prehistoric times is open to interpretation. As has been theorized regarding the length of human lives reported in "Genesis," a year may have constituted a single lunar cycle. Counting by lunar cycles, the events would have taken place roughly 4,800 years before Homer's time -- and, since there were no calendars or written records, it's highly plausible that the oral traditions might have rounded up a few millennia.
> True, but archaeological methods can give an estimate on the ages of the layers of the proposed Troy site. Schliemann messed things up (Troy III-V) pretty badly for subsequent excavations, but the Law of Superposition can be used (although there has been some reworking in the soil layers). Pottery sherds can be dated. Burned wood fragments have been found, but there is always doubt about how old the wood actually is/was. We have to find Hector's burial place (maybe a wooden cross and drag marks) to be sure that Homer got it right.
>
> Some informative pictures of the site:
> https://www.worldatlas.com/ancient-world/where-was-troy-and-what-happened-to-it.html
> > > > As to Homer: there are similar theories about Shakespeare (including an extremely convincing one that he was a woman). We know that Shakespeare was a real person... just not whether he actually wrote any of the plays/poetry attributed to him. Which goes to show that theorists/revisionists are going to come up with new theories about anyone/anything that leaves room for speculation.
> > > We have seen the conspiracy theories in our own lifetimes, how stories and facts get twisted. Who is actually dead? Who is in hiding?
> > > >
> > > > I shall continue to think of Homer as a blind poet, until such time as one of these speculative theories can actually be documented.
> > > We don't care if he was blind--just that he was a good writer and remembered the stories fairly accurately.
> > >
> > > Speaking of Troia, we read (as young scholars) of Heinrich Schliemann's excavations. However, he tore through the layers and destroyed immensely valuable history in his haste and ineptitude. Archeologists today weep. We remember seeing the photo of Schliemann's wife wearing the jewels that he had found and named "Jewels of Helen" or "Priam's Treasure." Those disappeared for a while but we see that most of them are now in Moscow's Pushkin Museum. He had the wrong layer.
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priam%27s_Treasure#/media/File:Sophia_schliemann_treasure.jpg
> > > https://joyofmuseums.com/museums/russian-federation/moscow-museums/pushkin-museum/priams-treasure/

That's why I take science over oral tradition. I think that the Trojan War occurred somewhere around 1200 BCE. A 400-year oral tradition seems almost impossibly long, but the older portions of the Talmud were also orally transmitted from generation to generation for over 500 years as well.

Returning to "The Iliad's" supposed confirmation of the bicameral mind, the only character who seemed able to receive prophetic messages from the gods, was Cassandra -- and her prophecies weren't believed. The gods and goddesses influenced some of the battles, but I don't recall them communicating directly to any of the heroes. Of course I could very well be mistaken on that point, as I read the book almost 50 years ago.
(Damn, I'm old.) The fact that only Oracles, or prophets/witches (Cassandra) could receive direct communication with/inspiration from the gods casts further doubt on Jaynes' split brain theory. (Just in case Mack is still lurking in the background.)

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:28:54 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 10:17:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > Zod wrote:
>> > > Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> > >
>> >
>> > >> Nowhere in Homer's poetry is the color blue ever mentioned. I have no idea what it means.
>> >
>> > > fascinating, this should be the quote of the day...!
>> > Agreed, that's a striking observation
>> Yep...!

> Shut up, Todd.

Sorry, Pendragon, this isn't a moderated group.

You whining demands are useless here.

HTH and HAND.

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:47:49 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:27:48 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:58:47 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:32:57 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 9:00:05 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 3:01:54 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > Paul Krause reviews the book "Homer: The Very Idea," by James I.. Porter at:
> > > > > > https://merionwest.com/2022/10/24/review-homer-the-very-idea-by-james-i-porter/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Was Homer really blind? Did he listen to an unreliable Muse? What did his (sort of) contemporaries think of him? Was he actually several people who wrote the stories? Was Homer a woman?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We say: “No man or woman born, coward or brave, can shun his destiny.”
> > > > > Interesting article. I have to take issue with the author's contention that "the ruins of Troy that have so far been excavated do not show the signs of having been burned to ash by a conquering army." From what I've read and seen in PBS documentaries, Troys VI and VIIs show signs of having been besieged and/or burned.
> > > > We have read that the ruins of Troy (Troia) are Troy VI and VII (and VIIa). Since those are dated to 1750 BC to 1180 BC, and Homer was supposed to have written "The Iliad" ~750 BC, that would only be 400 years or so after the events. Oral traditions (stories) have been theorized as dating back 7000-10,000 years, so four hundred years would not be unreliable. The world knows much of history from the 1700s and earlier, which no one is questioning.
> > > > >
> > > The concept of a "year" in prehistoric times is open to interpretation. As has been theorized regarding the length of human lives reported in "Genesis," a year may have constituted a single lunar cycle. Counting by lunar cycles, the events would have taken place roughly 4,800 years before Homer's time -- and, since there were no calendars or written records, it's highly plausible that the oral traditions might have rounded up a few millennia.
> > True, but archaeological methods can give an estimate on the ages of the layers of the proposed Troy site. Schliemann messed things up (Troy III-V) pretty badly for subsequent excavations, but the Law of Superposition can be used (although there has been some reworking in the soil layers). Pottery sherds can be dated. Burned wood fragments have been found, but there is always doubt about how old the wood actually is/was. We have to find Hector's burial place (maybe a wooden cross and drag marks) to be sure that Homer got it right.
> >
> > Some informative pictures of the site:
> > https://www.worldatlas.com/ancient-world/where-was-troy-and-what-happened-to-it.html
> > > > > As to Homer: there are similar theories about Shakespeare (including an extremely convincing one that he was a woman). We know that Shakespeare was a real person... just not whether he actually wrote any of the plays/poetry attributed to him. Which goes to show that theorists/revisionists are going to come up with new theories about anyone/anything that leaves room for speculation.
> > > > We have seen the conspiracy theories in our own lifetimes, how stories and facts get twisted. Who is actually dead? Who is in hiding?
> > > > >
> > > > > I shall continue to think of Homer as a blind poet, until such time as one of these speculative theories can actually be documented.
> > > > We don't care if he was blind--just that he was a good writer and remembered the stories fairly accurately.
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of Troia, we read (as young scholars) of Heinrich Schliemann's excavations. However, he tore through the layers and destroyed immensely valuable history in his haste and ineptitude. Archeologists today weep. We remember seeing the photo of Schliemann's wife wearing the jewels that he had found and named "Jewels of Helen" or "Priam's Treasure." Those disappeared for a while but we see that most of them are now in Moscow's Pushkin Museum. He had the wrong layer.
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priam%27s_Treasure#/media/File:Sophia_schliemann_treasure.jpg
> > > > https://joyofmuseums.com/museums/russian-federation/moscow-museums/pushkin-museum/priams-treasure/
> That's why I take science over oral tradition. I think that the Trojan War occurred somewhere around 1200 BCE. A 400-year oral tradition seems almost impossibly long, but the older portions of the Talmud were also orally transmitted from generation to generation for over 500 years as well.
>
> Returning to "The Iliad's" supposed confirmation of the bicameral mind, the only character who seemed able to receive prophetic messages from the gods, was Cassandra -- and her prophecies weren't believed. The gods and goddesses influenced some of the battles, but I don't recall them communicating directly to any of the heroes. Of course I could very well be mistaken on that point, as I read the book almost 50 years ago.
> (Damn, I'm old.) The fact that only Oracles, or prophets/witches (Cassandra) could receive direct communication with/inspiration from the gods casts further doubt on Jaynes' split brain theory. (Just in case Mack is still lurking in the background.)

The Trojan War is a myth.

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:30:14 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:28:54 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> >> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 10:17:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > Zod wrote:
> >> > > Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > >> Nowhere in Homer's poetry is the color blue ever mentioned. I have no idea what it means.
> >> >
> >> > > fascinating, this should be the quote of the day...!
> >> > Agreed, that's a striking observation
> >> Yep...!
>
> > Shut up, Todd.
> Sorry, Pendragon, this isn't a moderated group.
>
> You whining demands are useless here.

Your whining trolling, record "correcting" is futile here-- you're still, and will continue to be, despised and ridiculed here... and you will flail forever more.

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 6:27:32 AM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:30:14 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:28:54 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 10:17:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > Zod wrote:
> > >> > > Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > >> Nowhere in Homer's poetry is the color blue ever mentioned. I have no idea what it means.
> > >> >
> > >> > > fascinating, this should be the quote of the day...!
> > >> > Agreed, that's a striking observation
> > >> Yep...!
> >
> > > Shut up, Todd.
> > Sorry, Pendragon, this isn't a moderated group.
> >
> > You whining demands are useless here.
> Your whining trolling, record "correcting" is futile here-- you're still, and will continue to be, despised and ridiculed here... and you will flail forever more.

Indifference is a powerful weapon.

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 6:27:32 AM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 12:30:14 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 3:28:54 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 10:17:02 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > Zod wrote:
> > >> > > Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > >> Nowhere in Homer's poetry is the color blue ever mentioned. I have no idea what it means.
> > >> >
> > >> > > fascinating, this should be the quote of the day...!
> > >> > Agreed, that's a striking observation
> > >> Yep...!
> >
> > > Shut
> > Sorry, Pendragon, this isn't a moderated group.
> >
> > Your whining demands are useless here.
> Your whining trolling, record "correcting"

It's mainly for the archives, to keep the record straight.

HTH and HAND.