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Re: postpoetry / gjd

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Subject: Re: postpoetry / gjd
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 by: Ash Wurthing - Thu, 27 Oct 2022 17:05 UTC

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 12:55:34 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 8:58:06 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 7:15:56 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > >> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > >> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > >> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > >> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > >> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > >> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > >> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > >> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > >> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > >> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > >> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > >> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > >> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > >> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > >> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > >> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > >> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > >> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > >> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > >> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > >> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > >> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > >> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > >> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > >> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > >> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > >> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > >> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > >> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > >> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > >> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > >> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > >> >> >>>
> > > >> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > >> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > >> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > >> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > >> >> muse?
> > > >> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > >> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > >> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > >> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > >> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > >> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > >> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > >> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > >> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > >> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > >> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > >> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > >> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > >> > Should she have?
> > > >>
> > > >> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > >
> > > > I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > >
> > > > George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > How interestingly hypocritical, Zod slams PJR but in the past he has pined for his return...
> >
> > Zod
> > Jul 15, 2022, 3:30:16 PM
> > "Good ole Peter, he is missed...."
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/5LAoaQn7dmU/m/Du0d3rJ4AAAJ
> Sarcasm, Ash.
>
> Look it up.

Doesn't look like sarcasm to me, but your deflection is unmistakable...
Both Sod and you want PJR to come back-- it's in your archive...

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 by: Will Dockery - Thu, 27 Oct 2022 17:12 UTC

On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:05:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 12:55:34 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 8:58:06 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 7:15:56 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > > >> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > >> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > >> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > >> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > >> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > >> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > >> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > >> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > >> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > >> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > >> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > >> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > >> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > >> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > >> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > >> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > >> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > >> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > >> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > >> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > >> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > >> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > >> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > >> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > >> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > >> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > >> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > >> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > >> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > >> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > >> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > >> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > >> >> muse?
> > > > >> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > >> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for..
> > > > >> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > > >> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > >> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > >> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > >> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > >> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > >> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > > >> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > >> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > >> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > >> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > > >> > Should she have?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > > >
> > > > > I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > > >
> > > > > George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > > How interestingly hypocritical, Zod slams PJR but in the past he has pined for his return...
> > >
> > > Zod
> > > Jul 15, 2022, 3:30:16 PM
> > > "Good ole Peter, he is missed...."
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/5LAoaQn7dmU/m/Du0d3rJ4AAAJ
> > Sarcasm, Ash.
> >
> > Look it up.
> Doesn't look like sarcasm to me

That's why I explained it to you and told you to look it up.

🙂

, but your deflection is unmistakable...
> Both Sod and you want PJR to come back-- it's in your archive...

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General-Zod wrote:

> Michael Pendragon wrote:

>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
>>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>
>>
>>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
>>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
>>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> ~~
>>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>>> >> muse?
>>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
>>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
>>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
>>> > Should she have?
>>>
>>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.

>> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.

>> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for

> That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....

Pendragon remains PJR's rejected apprentice.

🙂

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 by: Will Dockery - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 13:48 UTC

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-10-20 10:47 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 10:26:43 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-10-20 9:24 a.m., W.Dockery wrote:
> >>> George J. Dance wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2022-10-19 3:35 p.m., Zod Zodly wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4,
> >>>>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> postpoetry
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ~~
> >>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Quite an interesting poem, G.D.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks, Zod. It's good to see some people still reading poetry here.
> >>>
> >>> I'm reading the poetry but I also see that Senetto is obsessively
> >>> creating Will Dockery troll threads, most of which I don't respond to..
> >>>
> >>> In one of these you're correcting his lies and setting the record
> >>> straight, I appreciate that.
> >> I also wanted to set the record straight on his "Nelly Black" thread,
> >> reminding him that it was Michael Monkey Pendragon who equated your
> >
> > Why are you calling me "Monkey," George?
> >
> Relax; I'll normally shorten it to "MMP" or "Michael".
> > I have not called you any such names.
> >
> True. But you called Zod a name; and according to you he and I are on
> the same team. So we're playing Team T4T (TT4T), by your choice.
> > According to your "ethical" philosophy of "Tit for Tat," you should be treating me as I treat you.
> >
> According to my philosophy, sure, because I'm an individualist.
> But "there's no I in team," as I'm sure you've heard. Teams are
> collectives, and to be a team player one has to act like a collectivist.
> > Or have you abandoned your "ethics" for good old fashioned trolling?
> Only inside the game. It's no different from defending a position or a
> person, in a debate, that one considers unethical.
> >> music with the Beatles (with Ms Black's on a lower level). But I haven't
> >> found the thread to cite. Perhaps you or Zod could find it for me?
> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?

Pendragon seems to want to forget it, unsurprisingly.

🙂

> >>> You might remind Senetto that I don't usually post personal and private
> >>> information about my friends and family here.
> >>>
> >> I think it may come up. It does explain why he's post(edit)ing your
> >> 20-year-old conversations from rec.arts.poems.
> >>> Thanks again, and have a good day.
> >>>
> >
> >> Thank you, Will; same to you.

....

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On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:48:13 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-10-20 10:47 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 10:26:43 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-10-20 9:24 a.m., W.Dockery wrote:
> > >>> George J. Dance wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 2022-10-19 3:35 p.m., Zod Zodly wrote:
> > >>>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4,
> > >>>>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> postpoetry
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > >>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > >>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > >>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > >>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > >>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > >>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > >>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > >>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > >>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > >>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > >>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > >>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > >>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > >>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > >>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > >>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > >>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > >>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > >>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > >>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > >>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > >>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > >>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > >>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > >>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ~~
> > >>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > >>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Quite an interesting poem, G.D.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Thanks, Zod. It's good to see some people still reading poetry here.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm reading the poetry but I also see that Senetto is obsessively
> > >>> creating Will Dockery troll threads, most of which I don't respond to.
> > >>>
> > >>> In one of these you're correcting his lies and setting the record
> > >>> straight, I appreciate that.
> > >> I also wanted to set the record straight on his "Nelly Black" thread,
> > >> reminding him that it was Michael Monkey Pendragon who equated your
> > >
> > > Why are you calling me "Monkey," George?
> > >
> > Relax; I'll normally shorten it to "MMP" or "Michael".
> > > I have not called you any such names.
> > >
> > True. But you called Zod a name; and according to you he and I are on
> > the same team. So we're playing Team T4T (TT4T), by your choice.
> > > According to your "ethical" philosophy of "Tit for Tat," you should be treating me as I treat you.
> > >
> > According to my philosophy, sure, because I'm an individualist.
> > But "there's no I in team," as I'm sure you've heard. Teams are
> > collectives, and to be a team player one has to act like a collectivist..
> > > Or have you abandoned your "ethics" for good old fashioned trolling?
> > Only inside the game. It's no different from defending a position or a
> > person, in a debate, that one considers unethical.
> > >> music with the Beatles (with Ms Black's on a lower level). But I haven't
> > >> found the thread to cite. Perhaps you or Zod could find it for me?
> > Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
> > favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
> Pendragon seems to want to forget it, unsurprisingly.

Whatever. Here's a new quote for you and posterity: your music is putrid, your videos are unintentionally funny (in a very bad way), you can't carry a tune or stay in key, and your lyrics are unintelligible gibberish.

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On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:55:15 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> General-Zod wrote:
>
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> >> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >>> >> muse?
> >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> >>> > Should she have?
> >>>
> >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
>
> >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
>
> >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
>
> > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> Pendragon remains PJR's rejected apprentice.

You so funny sWilly. For 5 minutes of spotlight on LAMenet you sure blow hard a long time!

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On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:12:05 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:05:28 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 12:55:34 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 8:58:06 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 7:15:56 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > >> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > >> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > > >> >> >>>
> > > > > >> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > > >> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > > >> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > > >> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > > >> >> muse?
> > > > > >> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > > >> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > > >> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > > > >> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > > >> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > > >> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > > >> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled..
> > > > > >> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > > >> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > > >> >> >>
> > > > > >> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > > > >> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > > >> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often..
> > > > > >> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > > >> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > > > >> > Should she have?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > > > >
> > > > > > George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > > > How interestingly hypocritical, Zod slams PJR but in the past he has pined for his return...
> > > >
> > > > Zod
> > > > Jul 15, 2022, 3:30:16 PM
> > > > "Good ole Peter, he is missed...."
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/5LAoaQn7dmU/m/Du0d3rJ4AAAJ
> > > Sarcasm, Ash.
> > >
> > > Look it up.
> > Doesn't look like sarcasm to me
> That's why I explained it to you and told you to look it up.

Not good enough, Willy. The statement he said was clear to anyone who would read it, so no definitions will save your sorry ass...

And I see you deflecting again by dragging Pendragon into this, 'cause you have no words, wits or argument to save yourself. If anyone wants to be PJR apprentice, it would be you and Zod, you two are alway mention him, wonder about him and obviously wishing that he came back.

> , but your deflection is unmistakable...
> > Both Sod and you want PJR to come back-- it's in your archive...

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On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:54:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:13:31 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 12:29:49 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> >> Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Zod Zodly wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 1:34:28 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> >> >>> On 2022-10-19 9:36 p.m., Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>>>> > "We know that The Beatles and myself rest on the "Decent" level.
> >> >> >>>>> >
> >> >> >>>>> > Nelly Black is at least one level lower than The Beatles and me"
> >> >> >>>>> Good to see ace reporter "Edward Rochester Esq." is back, with another
> >> >> >>>>> fake story for NGBS.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> In fact, it was MMP who placed Will and the Beatles on the same level,
> >> >> >>>>> with Nelly Black lower down. He confirmed that.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> <quote>
> >> >> >>>>> On 2022-10-20 11:59 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4,
> >> >> >>>>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> >> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
> >> >> >>>>> >> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
> >> >> >>>>> >
> >> >> >>>>> > No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.
> >> >> >>>>> >
> >> >> >>>>> > I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I
> >> >> >>>>> don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral
> >> >> >>>>> sensibilities).
> >> >> >>>>> </quote>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> MMP's entitled to his opinion. Some people don't like the Beatles; hell,
> >> >> >>>>> some don't even like the Bells! There's no accounting for taste.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> What isn't fine is your pretending Will had made that comment, when he
> >> >> >>>>> was just repeating MMP's statement. You're lying, just for fun. I think
> >> >> >>>>> you should stop, for your own good.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Think about it: When you tell lies about Will that everyone knows are
> >> >> >>>>> lies, how do you expect any of them to believe you when they don't know?
> >> >> >>>>> Why should they take the word of a habitual liar?
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> Of course never mind the clueless ignorance Pen shows when he declares the BEATLES to be merely "decent"...
> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> And no offense to Doc, I'm sure he is aware of the humor in such an absurd judgement from Pen..
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >>> No offense taken, Zod, Pendragon put me on the level of The Beatles, I'd never considered myself a peer of four of the most talented artists of all time.
> >> >>
> >> >> >>> 🙂
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hilariously, Pen puts Tiny TIM and PAT Boone at the top level, way above the BEATLES....!!
> >> >>
> >> >> > Pendragon also thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot, so he obviously sees things differently than "most people".
> >> >> Pat Boone and Tiny Tim as on a far lower level than the BEATLES, as most people know...
> >>
> >> > Pat Boone was the second highest charting singer of the early r'n'r era (the late 50s). He was also the first white solo artist to chard with a r'n'r song (6 months before Elvis)
> >> Pat Boone was knocked off the charts permanently by the ty The Beatles arrived.
> >> >> The Beatles - Hey Jude
> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_MjCqQoLLA
> >>
> >> > A really putrid song.
> >> That's Pat Boone's genre.
>
> > "Putrid" isn't a genre
> It is for Pat Boone's sappy sounds.

sWilly why are you so stupid? Why are you such a hypocrite? You do exactly what you say is so wrong!

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Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:54:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:13:31 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 12:29:49 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> >> >> Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Zod Zodly wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 1:34:28 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >> >> >>> On 2022-10-19 9:36 p.m., Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>>>> > "We know that The Beatles and myself rest on the "Decent" level.
>> >> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >> >>>>> > Nelly Black is at least one level lower than The Beatles and me"
>> >> >> >>>>> Good to see ace reporter "Edward Rochester Esq." is back, with another
>> >> >> >>>>> fake story for NGBS.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> In fact, it was MMP who placed Will and the Beatles on the same level,
>> >> >> >>>>> with Nelly Black lower down. He confirmed that.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> <quote>
>> >> >> >>>>> On 2022-10-20 11:59 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4,
>> >> >> >>>>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> >> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
>> >> >> >>>>> >> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
>> >> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >> >>>>> > No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.
>> >> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >> >>>>> > I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I
>> >> >> >>>>> don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral
>> >> >> >>>>> sensibilities).
>> >> >> >>>>> </quote>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> MMP's entitled to his opinion. Some people don't like the Beatles; hell,
>> >> >> >>>>> some don't even like the Bells! There's no accounting for taste.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> What isn't fine is your pretending Will had made that comment, when he
>> >> >> >>>>> was just repeating MMP's statement. You're lying, just for fun. I think
>> >> >> >>>>> you should stop, for your own good.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Think about it: When you tell lies about Will that everyone knows are
>> >> >> >>>>> lies, how do you expect any of them to believe you when they don't know?
>> >> >> >>>>> Why should they take the word of a habitual liar?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>> Of course never mind the clueless ignorance Pen shows when he declares the BEATLES to be merely "decent"...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>> And no offense to Doc, I'm sure he is aware of the humor in such an absurd judgement from Pen..
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> No offense taken, Zod, Pendragon put me on the level of The Beatles, I'd never considered myself a peer of four of the most talented artists of all time.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> 🙂
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hilariously, Pen puts Tiny TIM and PAT Boone at the top level, way above the BEATLES....!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Pendragon also thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot, so he obviously sees things differently than "most people".
>> >> >> Pat Boone and Tiny Tim as on a far lower level than the BEATLES, as most people know...
>> >>
>> >> > Pat Boone was the second highest charting singer of the early r'n'r era (the late 50s). He was also the first white solo artist to chard with a r'n'r song (6 months before Elvis)
>> >> Pat Boone was knocked off the charts permanently by the ty The Beatles arrived.
>> >> >> The Beatles - Hey Jude
>> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_MjCqQoLLA
>> >>
>> >> > A really putrid song.
>> >> That's Pat Boone's genre.
>>
>> > "Putrid" isn't a genre
>> It is for Pat Boone's sappy sounds.

> sWilly why

Ash, why do you lie and misrepresent so much?

🙂

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On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:13:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:54:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:13:31 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 12:29:49 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> >> >> Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Zod Zodly wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 1:34:28 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> On 2022-10-19 9:36 p.m., Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>>>> > "We know that The Beatles and myself rest on the "Decent" level.
> >> >> >> >>>>> >
> >> >> >> >>>>> > Nelly Black is at least one level lower than The Beatles and me"
> >> >> >> >>>>> Good to see ace reporter "Edward Rochester Esq." is back, with another
> >> >> >> >>>>> fake story for NGBS.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> In fact, it was MMP who placed Will and the Beatles on the same level,
> >> >> >> >>>>> with Nelly Black lower down. He confirmed that.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> <quote>
> >> >> >> >>>>> On 2022-10-20 11:59 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4,
> >> >> >> >>>>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>> >> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
> >> >> >> >>>>> >> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
> >> >> >> >>>>> >
> >> >> >> >>>>> > No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.
> >> >> >> >>>>> >
> >> >> >> >>>>> > I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I
> >> >> >> >>>>> don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral
> >> >> >> >>>>> sensibilities).
> >> >> >> >>>>> </quote>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> MMP's entitled to his opinion. Some people don't like the Beatles; hell,
> >> >> >> >>>>> some don't even like the Bells! There's no accounting for taste.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> What isn't fine is your pretending Will had made that comment, when he
> >> >> >> >>>>> was just repeating MMP's statement. You're lying, just for fun. I think
> >> >> >> >>>>> you should stop, for your own good.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> Think about it: When you tell lies about Will that everyone knows are
> >> >> >> >>>>> lies, how do you expect any of them to believe you when they don't know?
> >> >> >> >>>>> Why should they take the word of a habitual liar?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>> Of course never mind the clueless ignorance Pen shows when he declares the BEATLES to be merely "decent"...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>> And no offense to Doc, I'm sure he is aware of the humor in such an absurd judgement from Pen..
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> No offense taken, Zod, Pendragon put me on the level of The Beatles, I'd never considered myself a peer of four of the most talented artists of all time.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> 🙂
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Hilariously, Pen puts Tiny TIM and PAT Boone at the top level, way above the BEATLES....!!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Pendragon also thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot, so he obviously sees things differently than "most people".
> >> >> >> Pat Boone and Tiny Tim as on a far lower level than the BEATLES, as most people know...
> >> >>
> >> >> > Pat Boone was the second highest charting singer of the early r'n'r era (the late 50s). He was also the first white solo artist to chard with a r'n'r song (6 months before Elvis)
> >> >> Pat Boone was knocked off the charts permanently by the ty The Beatles arrived.
> >> >> >> The Beatles - Hey Jude
> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_MjCqQoLLA
> >> >>
> >> >> > A really putrid song.
> >> >> That's Pat Boone's genre.
> >>
> >> > "Putrid" isn't a genre
> >> It is for Pat Boone's sappy sounds.
>
>
> > sWilly why
> Ash, why do you lie and misrepresent so much?

First off is your stupidity-- according to your obsessive post editing, I didn't say anything to justify being accused of lying. LOL
Second, prove that my accusations that you are a hypocrite is a lie. In so many threads I have pointed out where you are doing exactly what you say is so wrong-- that sure smells like hypocritical shit to me!
My gawd, some of it is right in the quote section above-- "It is for Pat Boone's sappy sounds."
I'll give you the victory-- for being so stupid!!

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 by: Will Dockery - Fri, 28 Oct 2022 20:43 UTC

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:29:25 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:13:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:54:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 1:34:28 AM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> >>>>> > "We know that The Beatles and myself rest on the "Decent" level.
> > >> >> >> >>>>> >
> > >> >> >> >>>>> > Nelly Black is at least one level lower than The Beatles and me"
> > >> >> >> >>>>> Good to see ace reporter "Edward Rochester Esq." is back, with another
> > >> >> >> >>>>> fake story for NGBS.
> > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >> >>>>> In fact, it was MMP who placed Will and the Beatles on the same level,
> > >> >> >> >>>>> with Nelly Black lower down. He confirmed that.
> > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >> >>>>> <quote>
> > >> >> >> >>>>> On 2022-10-20 11:59 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> >> >> >>>>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4,
> > >> >> >> >>>>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> >> >> >>>>> >> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
> > >> >> >> >>>>> >> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
> > >> >> >> >>>>> >
> > >> >> >> >>>>> > No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.
> > >> >> >> >>>>> >
> > >> >> >> >>>>> > I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I
> > >> >> >> >>>>> don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral
> > >> >> >> >>>>> sensibilities).
> > >> >> >> >>>>> </quote>
> > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >> >>>>> MMP's entitled to his opinion. Some people don't like the Beatles; hell,
> > >> >> >> >>>>> some don't even like the Bells! There's no accounting for taste.
> > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >> >>>>> What isn't fine is your pretending Will had made that comment, when he
> > >> >> >> >>>>> was just repeating MMP's statement. You're lying, just for fun. I think
> > >> >> >> >>>>> you should stop, for your own good.
> > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >> >>>>> Think about it: When you tell lies about Will that everyone knows are
> > >> >> >> >>>>> lies, how do you expect any of them to believe you when they don't know?
> > >> >> >> >>>>> Why should they take the word of a habitual liar?
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>>> Of course never mind the clueless ignorance Pen shows when he declares the BEATLES to be merely "decent"...
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>>> And no offense to Doc, I'm sure he is aware of the humor in such an absurd judgement from Pen..
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>> No offense taken, Zod, Pendragon put me on the level of The Beatles, I'd never considered myself a peer of four of the most talented artists of all time.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>> 🙂
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> Hilariously, Pen puts Tiny TIM and PAT Boone at the top level, way above the BEATLES....!!
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> > Pendragon also thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot, so he obviously sees things differently than "most people".
> > >> >> >> Pat Boone and Tiny Tim as on a far lower level than the BEATLES, as most people know...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Pat Boone was the second highest charting singer of the early r'n'r era (the late 50s). He was also the first white solo artist to chard with a r'n'r song (6 months before Elvis)
> > >> >> Pat Boone was knocked off the charts permanently by the ty The Beatles arrived.
> > >> >> >> The Beatles - Hey Jude
> > >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_MjCqQoLLA
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > A really putrid song.
> > >> >> That's Pat Boone's genre.
> > >>
> > >> > "Putrid" isn't a genre
> > >> It is for Pat Boone's sappy sounds.
> >
> >
> > > sWilly why
> > Ash, why do you lie and misrepresent so much?
> First off

I didn't expect you to admit it, Ash.

:)

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On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:29:25 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:13:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:54:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:13:31 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > >> >> >> >>>>> > "We know that The Beatles and myself rest on the "Decent" level.
> > >> >> >> >>>>> >
> > >> >> >> >>>>> > Nelly Black is at least one level lower than The Beatles and me"
> > >> >> >> >>>>> Good to see ace reporter "Edward Rochester Esq." is back, with another
> > >> >> >> >>>>> fake story for NGBS.
> > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >> >>>>> In fact, it was MMP who placed Will and the Beatles on the same level,
> > >> >> >> >>>>> with Nelly Black lower down. He confirmed that.
> > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >> >>>>> <quote>
> > >> >> >> >>>>> On 2022-10-20 11:59 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> >> >> >>>>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4,
> > >> >> >> >>>>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> >> >> >>>>> >> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
> > >> >> >> >>>>> >> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
> > >> >> >> >>>>> >
> > >> >> >> >>>>> > No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.
> > >> >> >> >>>>> >
> > >> >> >> >>>>> > I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I
> > >> >> >> >>>>> don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral
> > >> >> >> >>>>> sensibilities).
> > >> >> >> >>>>> </quote>
> > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >> >>>>> MMP's entitled to his opinion. Some people don't like the Beatles; hell,
> > >> >> >> >>>>> some don't even like the Bells! There's no accounting for taste.
> > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >> >>>>> What isn't fine is your pretending Will had made that comment, when he
> > >> >> >> >>>>> was just repeating MMP's statement. You're lying, just for fun. I think
> > >> >> >> >>>>> you should stop, for your own good.
> > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > >> >> >> >>>>> Think about it: When you tell lies about Will that everyone knows are
> > >> >> >> >>>>> lies, how do you expect any of them to believe you when they don't know?
> > >> >> >> >>>>> Why should they take the word of a habitual liar?
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>>> Of course never mind the clueless ignorance Pen shows when he declares the BEATLES to be merely "decent"...
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>>> And no offense to Doc, I'm sure he is aware of the humor in such an absurd judgement from Pen..
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >>> No offense taken, Zod, Pendragon put me on the level of The Beatles, I'd never considered myself a peer of four of the most talented artists of all time.
>
> > >> >> >> >> Hilariously, Pen puts Tiny TIM and PAT Boone at the top level, way above the BEATLES....!!
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> > Pendragon also thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot, so he obviously sees things differently than "most people".
> > >> >> >> Pat Boone and Tiny Tim as on a far lower level than the BEATLES, as most people know...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Pat Boone was the second highest charting singer of the early r'n'r era (the late 50s). He was also the first white solo artist to chard with a r'n'r song (6 months before Elvis)
> > >> >> Pat Boone was knocked off the charts permanently by the ty The Beatles arrived.
> > >> >> >> The Beatles - Hey Jude
> > >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_MjCqQoLLA
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > A really putrid song.
> > >> >> That's Pat Boone's genre.
> > >>
> > >> > "Putrid" isn't a genre
> > >> It is for Pat Boone's sappy sounds.
> >
> >
> > > sWilly why
> > Ash, why do you lie and misrepresent so much?
> First off is

First off is that you are a troll, Ash... we have known that for about a year, now..!

Ha ha.

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General-Zod wrote:

> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:29:25 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:13:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:54:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:13:31 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> > "We know that The Beatles and myself rest on the "Decent" level.
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> >
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> > Nelly Black is at least one level lower than The Beatles and me"
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Good to see ace reporter "Edward Rochester Esq." is back, with another
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> fake story for NGBS.
>> > >> >> >> >>>>>
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> In fact, it was MMP who placed Will and the Beatles on the same level,
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> with Nelly Black lower down. He confirmed that.
>> > >> >> >> >>>>>
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> <quote>
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> On 2022-10-20 11:59 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4,
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> >> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> >> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> >
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> > No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> >
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> > I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> sensibilities).
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> </quote>
>> > >> >> >> >>>>>
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> MMP's entitled to his opinion. Some people don't like the Beatles; hell,
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> some don't even like the Bells! There's no accounting for taste.
>> > >> >> >> >>>>>
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> What isn't fine is your pretending Will had made that comment, when he
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> was just repeating MMP's statement. You're lying, just for fun. I think
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> you should stop, for your own good.
>> > >> >> >> >>>>>
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Think about it: When you tell lies about Will that everyone knows are
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> lies, how do you expect any of them to believe you when they don't know?
>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Why should they take the word of a habitual liar?
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>>> Of course never mind the clueless ignorance Pen shows when he declares the BEATLES to be merely "decent"...
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>>> And no offense to Doc, I'm sure he is aware of the humor in such an absurd judgement from Pen..
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>> No offense taken, Zod, Pendragon put me on the level of The Beatles, I'd never considered myself a peer of four of the most talented artists of all time.
>>
>> > >> >> >> >> Hilariously, Pen puts Tiny TIM and PAT Boone at the top level, way above the BEATLES....!!
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> > Pendragon also thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot, so he obviously sees things differently than "most people".
>> > >> >> >> Pat Boone and Tiny Tim as on a far lower level than the BEATLES, as most people know...
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> > Pat Boone was the second highest charting singer of the early r'n'r era (the late 50s). He was also the first white solo artist to chard with a r'n'r song (6 months before Elvis)
>> > >> >> Pat Boone was knocked off the charts permanently by the ty The Beatles arrived.
>> > >> >> >> The Beatles - Hey Jude
>> > >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_MjCqQoLLA
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> > A really putrid song.
>> > >> >> That's Pat Boone's genre.
>> > >>
>> > >> > "Putrid" isn't a genre
>> > >> It is for Pat Boone's sappy sounds.
>> >
>> >
>> > > sWilly why
>> > Ash, why do you lie and misrepresent so much?
>> First off is

> First off is that you are a troll, Ash... we have known that for about a year, now..!

> Ha ha.

You nailed it, Zod.

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Will Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
>> Ash wrote:
>>> > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:54:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:13:31 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> > "We know that The Beatles and myself rest on the "Decent" level.
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> >
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> > Nelly Black is at least one level lower than The Beatles and me"
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Good to see ace reporter "Edward Rochester Esq." is back, with another
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> fake story for NGBS.
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> In fact, it was MMP who placed Will and the Beatles on the same level,
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> with Nelly Black lower down. He confirmed that.
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> <quote>
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> On 2022-10-20 11:59 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4,
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> >> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> >> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> >
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> > No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> >
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> > I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> sensibilities).
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> </quote>
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> MMP's entitled to his opinion. Some people don't like the Beatles; hell,
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> some don't even like the Bells! There's no accounting for taste.
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> What isn't fine is your pretending Will had made that comment, when he
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> was just repeating MMP's statement. You're lying, just for fun. I think
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> you should stop, for your own good.
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>>
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Think about it: When you tell lies about Will that everyone knows are
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> lies, how do you expect any of them to believe you when they don't know?
>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Why should they take the word of a habitual liar?
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >>>> Of course never mind the clueless ignorance Pen shows when he declares the BEATLES to be merely "decent"...
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >>>> And no offense to Doc, I'm sure he is aware of the humor in such an absurd judgement from Pen..
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> >>> No offense taken, Zod, Pendragon put me on the level of The Beatles, I'd never considered myself a peer of four of the most talented artists of all time.
>>>
>>> > >> >> >> >> Hilariously, Pen puts Tiny TIM and PAT Boone at the top level, way above the BEATLES....!!
>>> > >> >> >>
>>> > >> >> >> > Pendragon also thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot, so he obviously sees things differently than "most people".
>>> > >> >> >> Pat Boone and Tiny Tim as on a far lower level than the BEATLES, as most people know...
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> > Pat Boone was the second highest charting singer of the early r'n'r era (the late 50s). He was also the first white solo artist to chard with a r'n'r song (6 months before Elvis)
>>> > >> >> Pat Boone was knocked off the charts permanently by the ty The Beatles arrived.
>>> > >> >> >> The Beatles - Hey Jude
>>> > >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_MjCqQoLLA
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> > A really putrid song.
>>> > >> >> That's Pat Boone's genre.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> > "Putrid" isn't a genre
>>> > >> It is for Pat Boone's sappy sounds.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > sWilly why
>>> > Ash, why do you lie and misrepresent so much?
>>> First off is

>> First off is that you are a troll, Ash... we have known that for about a year, now..!

>> Ha ha.

> You nailed it, Zod.

That about covers it... ha ha.

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General-Zod wrote:

> Michael Pendragon wrote:

>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
>>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>
>>
>>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
>>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
>>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> ~~
>>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>>> >> muse?
>>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
>>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
>>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
>>> > Should she have?
>>>
>>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.

>> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.

>> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for

> That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....

Pendragon damned well knows it.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 15:00 UTC

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:34:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> General-Zod wrote:
>
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >>> >> >>>>>
> >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >>> >> >>>
> >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >>> >> muse?
> >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> >>> > Should she have?
> >>>
> >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
>
> >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
>
> >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
>
> > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> Pendragon damned well knows it.

That only accounts for one of the accusations.

Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.

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 by: Will Dockery - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 16:59 UTC

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 11:00:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:34:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > General-Zod wrote:
> >
> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > >>> >> >>>
> > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > >>> >> muse?
> > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > >>> >> >>
> > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > >>> > Should she have?
> > >>>
> > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> >
> > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> >
> > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> >
> > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> That only accounts for one of the accusations.
>
> Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.

That's not plagiarism, though.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 18:11 UTC

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 11:00:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:34:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > General-Zod wrote:
> > >
> > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > >>> >> >>>
> > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > >>> >> muse?
> > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > >>> > Should she have?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > >
> > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > >
> > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > >
> > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> >
> > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> That's not plagiarism, though.

What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 18:15 UTC

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 11:00:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:34:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > General-Zod wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >>> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > >>> >> >>>
> > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > >>> >> muse?
> > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > >>> >> >>
> > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > > >>> > Should she have?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > > >
> > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > > >
> > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > >
> > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > >
> > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > That's not plagiarism, though.
> What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?

George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 18:41 UTC

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 11:00:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:34:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > General-Zod wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >>> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > > >>> >> >>>
> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > > >>> >> >
> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > > >>> >> muse?
> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > > >>> >> >>
> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > > >
> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > > >
> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.

Same on Dunce! But what do you expect from someone so foul? A moral monster so I heard...

And sWilly don't care for he soul his soul for self serving hypocrisy... how funny he whines about such things about posting about people elsewhere like he does at RAP

Will Dockery
Jul 19, 2017, 5:24:24 PM
Oh, so I'm a topic of discussion over there, behind my back, without any chance for rebuttal or to give true story.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/tl4j-Wlrhkw/m/C2eiYJC7AAAJ

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 18:49 UTC

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:43:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:29:25 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:13:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 1:54:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 1:34:28 AM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> > "We know that The Beatles and myself rest on the "Decent" level.
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> >
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> > Nelly Black is at least one level lower than The Beatles and me"
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> Good to see ace reporter "Edward Rochester Esq." is back, with another
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> fake story for NGBS.
> > > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> In fact, it was MMP who placed Will and the Beatles on the same level,
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> with Nelly Black lower down. He confirmed that.
> > > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> <quote>
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> On 2022-10-20 11:59 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> > On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 11:25:13 AM UTC-4,
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> >> Since you're here, Michael: do you remember the thread where you
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> >> favorably compared Will's music to the Beatles"?
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> >
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> > No. I remember placing it on a level with that of the Beatles.
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> >
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> > I.e., While I don't particularly care for either of their records, I
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> don't find their music offensive (to my eardrums, not my moral
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> sensibilities).
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> </quote>
> > > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> MMP's entitled to his opinion. Some people don't like the Beatles; hell,
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> some don't even like the Bells! There's no accounting for taste.
> > > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> What isn't fine is your pretending Will had made that comment, when he
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> was just repeating MMP's statement. You're lying, just for fun. I think
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> you should stop, for your own good.
> > > >> >> >> >>>>>
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> Think about it: When you tell lies about Will that everyone knows are
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> lies, how do you expect any of them to believe you when they don't know?
> > > >> >> >> >>>>> Why should they take the word of a habitual liar?
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>>> Of course never mind the clueless ignorance Pen shows when he declares the BEATLES to be merely "decent"...
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>>> And no offense to Doc, I'm sure he is aware of the humor in such an absurd judgement from Pen..
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>> No offense taken, Zod, Pendragon put me on the level of The Beatles, I'd never considered myself a peer of four of the most talented artists of all time.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >>> 🙂
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Hilariously, Pen puts Tiny TIM and PAT Boone at the top level, way above the BEATLES....!!
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> > Pendragon also thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot, so he obviously sees things differently than "most people".
> > > >> >> >> Pat Boone and Tiny Tim as on a far lower level than the BEATLES, as most people know...
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > Pat Boone was the second highest charting singer of the early r'n'r era (the late 50s). He was also the first white solo artist to chard with a r'n'r song (6 months before Elvis)
> > > >> >> Pat Boone was knocked off the charts permanently by the ty The Beatles arrived.
> > > >> >> >> The Beatles - Hey Jude
> > > >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_MjCqQoLLA
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > A really putrid song.
> > > >> >> That's Pat Boone's genre.
> > > >>
> > > >> > "Putrid" isn't a genre
> > > >> It is for Pat Boone's sappy sounds.
> > >
> > >
> > > > sWilly why
> > > Ash, why do you lie and misrepresent so much?
> > First off
> I didn't expect you to admit it, Ash.

I didn't admit to anything but you did-- you post edited to lie and misrepresent by putting words in my mouth. People will see this and think your so call "correct" record is just full of your lying and misrepresenting shit. Thank you.

This is what you say is an admission, quick delete it so people won't see the truth that you are trying to hide.

First off is your stupidity-- according to your obsessive post editing, I didn't say anything to justify being accused of lying. LOL
Second, prove that my accusations that you are a hypocrite is a lie. In so many threads I have pointed out where you are doing exactly what you say is so wrong-- that sure smells like hypocritical shit to me!
My gawd, some of it is right in the quote section above-- "It is for Pat Boone's sappy sounds."
I'll give you the victory-- for being so stupid!!
Will Dockery
Jul 19, 2017, 5:24:24 PM
Oh, so I'm a topic of discussion over there, behind my back, without any chance for rebuttal or to give true story.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/tl4j-Wlrhkw/m/C2eiYJC7AAAJ

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 by: Will Dockery - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 19:12 UTC

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 11:00:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:34:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > General-Zod wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >>> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > > >>> >> >>>
> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > > >>> >> >
> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > > >>> >> muse?
> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > > >>> >> >>
> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > > >

> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > > >
> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.

No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.

Fair use.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 19:27 UTC

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:12:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 11:00:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:34:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > General-Zod wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > >>> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>
> > > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > > > >>> >> >
> > > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > > > >>> >> muse?
> > > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > > > >>> >> >>
> > > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > > > >
> > > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> > > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> > George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
> No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
>
> Fair use.

Wrong, Donkey.

It started as a satire, but quickly took on a life of its own... to such a point that George Dance considered it to be his own poem (albeit, co-authored). He also used a variation on its title for his blog "Betty's Hat," and after complaints by PJR, "Penny's Hat." The problem is that George's "satire" didn't significantly change, or comment on, PJR's poem (necessary criteria for it to have passed as satire). It simply took PJR's poem and added more lines to it, in which George and his co-author listed additional colors. The basic premise remained the same -- in spite of the addition of thousands of colors. George Dance is indisputably guilty on that count.


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Will Dockery wrote:

> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>> > > > > >>> >> >>>
>> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
>> > > > > >>> >> >
>> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>> > > > > >>> >> muse?
>> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
>> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
>> > > > > >>> >> >>
>> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
>> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
>> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
>> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
>> > > > >

>> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
>> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
>> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
>> > > >
>> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
>> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
>> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
>> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.

> No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.

> Fair use.

Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!

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 by: Zod - Mon, 31 Oct 2022 21:27 UTC

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 3:12:42 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 11:00:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:34:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > General-Zod wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > >>> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > > > >>> >> >>>
> > > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > > > >>> >> >
> > > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > > > >>> >> muse?
> > > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > > > >>> >> >>
> > > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > > > >
>
> > > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > > > >
> > > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> > > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> > George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
> No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
>
> Fair use.

You are correct, Doc....!

SATIRE and PARODY are FAIR USE, ask Mad Magazine.. ha ha.

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