Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
- All houses wherein men have lived and died
Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
[...]
https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html

On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> -
> All houses wherein men have lived and died
>     Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
>     With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
>

On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> -
> All houses wherein men have lived and died
> Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> [...]
>
https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
>
I saw an earlier request, on an earlier PPB post, that asked me to
include some original commentary with these poem. (That was made on
aapc, for the benefit of RAP readers). So let's do that here.

Does the past exist, other than subjectively (as individual memories)?
Obviously, past reality effects present reality. It's reality that I
live in a home that was built; it's reality that someone built it; and
it's a matter of fact (fact being a detail of reality) who those people
were, how they built it, what jobs each of them did, what they ate on
the job, who made their lunches, their \family statuses, their
religions, and on and on ... By the same token, those who lived in those
houses were similarly real.

However, those people's present reality is that they're not here, not
working on my home or living in it. So the easy answer is, no, these
other people living in my home do not exist. It's correct to say that
they did exist (in the past), but not that they do exist (in the present).

But that answer is not based simply on reality, but on how we normally
conceptualize reality, as divided into past (what we're aware of, but
can't alter), future (what we can alter, and are not aware of), and
present (the shifting boundary between the other two states).

On the other hand, there are some who do not accept that distinction,
and believe that past, present, and future exist simultaneously. For
those, it would follow that these past residents of the house are here now.

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:23:10 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > -
> > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > [...]
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> >
> On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > -
> > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > [...]
> >
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> >
> I saw an earlier request, on an earlier PPB post, that asked me to
> include some original commentary with these poem. (That was made on
> aapc, for the benefit of RAP readers). So let's do that here.
>
> Does the past exist, other than subjectively (as individual memories)?
> Obviously, past reality effects present reality. It's reality that I
> live in a home that was built; it's reality that someone built it; and
> it's a matter of fact (fact being a detail of reality) who those people
> were, how they built it, what jobs each of them did, what they ate on
> the job, who made their lunches, their \family statuses, their
> religions, and on and on ... By the same token, those who lived in those
> houses were similarly real.
>
> However, those people's present reality is that they're not here, not
> working on my home or living in it. So the easy answer is, no, these
> other people living in my home do not exist. It's correct to say that
> they did exist (in the past), but not that they do exist (in the present)..
>
> But that answer is not based simply on reality, but on how we normally
> conceptualize reality, as divided into past (what we're aware of, but
> can't alter), future (what we can alter, and are not aware of), and
> present (the shifting boundary between the other two states).
>
> On the other hand, there are some who do not accept that distinction,
> and believe that past, present, and future exist simultaneously. For
> those, it would follow that these past residents of the house are here now.

Past reality ‘affects’ present reality, with special effects.

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:23:10 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > -
> > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > [...]
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> >
> On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > -
> > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > [...]
> >
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> >
> I saw an earlier request, on an earlier PPB post, that asked me to
> include some original commentary with these poem. (That was made on
> aapc, for the benefit of RAP readers). So let's do that here.
>
> Does the past exist, other than subjectively (as individual memories)?
> Obviously, past reality effects present reality. It's reality that I
> live in a home that was built; it's reality that someone built it; and
> it's a matter of fact (fact being a detail of reality) who those people
> were, how they built it, what jobs each of them did, what they ate on
> the job, who made their lunches, their \family statuses, their
> religions, and on and on ... By the same token, those who lived in those
> houses were similarly real.
>
> However, those people's present reality is that they're not here, not
> working on my home or living in it. So the easy answer is, no, these
> other people living in my home do not exist. It's correct to say that
> they did exist (in the past), but not that they do exist (in the present)..
>
> But that answer is not based simply on reality, but on how we normally
> conceptualize reality, as divided into past (what we're aware of, but
> can't alter), future (what we can alter, and are not aware of), and
> present (the shifting boundary between the other two states).
>
> On the other hand, there are some who do not accept that distinction,
> and believe that past, present, and future exist simultaneously. For
> those, it would follow that these past residents of the house are here now.

To be precise, they're there in their time and you're there in yours. Your time frames overlap in that each is experiencing his/her time as the present -- however, that does not necessarily mean that they are present in your time.

By way of analogy, imagine two movie projectors projecting images on adjacent screens. The projector on the left is projecting a scene set on the staircase in "The Magnificent Ambersons." The projector on the right is projecting a scene from "Curse of the Cat People" set on that same staircase. Both films are occurring (being screened) simultaneously, but the actors in "The Magnificent Ambersons" cannot be seen gliding down the staircase as phantoms in "Curse of the Cat People."

Even of we were to simultaneously project the two films onto the same screen, they would remain separate. We would see them as overlapping, however, by simply moving one of the projectors a few inches, we can show that they do not coexist on the same reel of film.

There is an old Pendragonian Proverb which states that "Ghosts appear when moments overlap." Returning to the cinematic analogy, there are moments when the light beams from the projectors overlap. Regarding the phenomenon of overlapping moments, the analogy switches mediums from that of cinema to broadcast television:

Back in the days of broadcast tv, we had several television stations broadcasting their signal at different frequencies to the same television sets. The television had a set of dials which would the viewer would tune to determine which frequency (or channel) it would display. Sometimes when stations were broadcast in close frequency to one another, the sounds/images from two of them would overlap one another on the screen.

The individual stations continue broadcasting simultaneously, whether we view them or not. Their signals are continually in the air (as radio waves). Our television sets are tuned to filter out all but one of these stations, so that we only view one station at a time.

Let's imagine that every moment in what we consider "time" is "broadcast" at a slightly different frequency from each of the others. Our brain, much like a television set, filters out all but one of these frequencies so that we are only able to perceive a single series of images. But our brains are not infallible, and various factors can interfere with the reception so that we pick up overlapping images from another "broadcasting station" (or temporal series of images).

I believe that Longfellow is describing a similar phenomenon (as opposed to personal memories), as shown by several passages in his poem ("He but perceives what is; while unto me/All that has been is visible and clear," "Owners and occupants of earlier dates/From graves forgotten," etc.).

This phenomenon is hinted at (albeit more whimsically) in the poem, "Household Ghosts," below:

HOUSEHOLD GHOSTS

They live in kitchen cupboards, pots and pans
Stray pins, spare buttons, dress forms, sewing shears,
They're stored in attic boxes, coffee cans
Of rusty nuts and bolts that held the years
In place.

They linger in the faded lines
Of greeting cards from half-remembered friends,
In Mason jars of fruit, assorted wines
That wait on cellar shelves; exotic blends
Of pipe tobacco, cedar-scented drawers,
Ceramic teapots, salt and pepper mills
The souvenirs from trips to foreign shores,
In knickknacks gathering dust on windowsills
Old coats, suits, neckties, dresses, Summer frocks.

They hide in closets, coal bins, cubbyholes
Cast iron keys to time-forgotten locks,
They guard their secrets close like Dead Sea scrolls
Or bare their souls through silver picture frames,
Pour out their dreams in brittle, clothbound books
Roam through the halls, reciting dead men's names.

They lurk in hidden places, cozy nooks
In painted dolls and broken childhood toys,
In postcard album scents of prim decay;
The backyard barn where giddy girls and boys
Would hunt for field mice in the jumbled hay
Or steal into the loft to snatch at stars.

The household ghosts sigh on the midnight breeze
Like broken chords from out-of-tune guitars,
Or dangle on the yellowing chemise
That haunts the wardrobe like a starched bouquet
From bygone weddings, balls, and senior proms;
They call me from an endless yesterday
Sing me to sleep with lullabies from Brahms,
Or murmur through the night like falling rain.

One day -- not long from now -- they'll take my hand
And bind my spirit with a cobweb chain
While starbeams play a quiet Sarabande
And stately shadows prance across the floor;
We'll walk together through the twilight hours
That hold the darkness spellbound at night's door,
Our world now pressed rose petals, wild flowers
-- A Never-Never Land of nevermore --
Where past and present mingle and are gone
Like lilac tints that grace the skies at dawn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI_i7mERi_c&t=1s

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:23:10 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > -
> > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > [...]
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> >
> On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > -
> > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > [...]
> >
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> >
> I saw an earlier request, on an earlier PPB post, that asked me to
> include some original commentary with these poem. (That was made on
> aapc, for the benefit of RAP readers). So let's do that here.
>
> Does the past exist, other than subjectively (as individual memories)?
> Obviously, past reality effects present reality. It's reality that I
> live in a home that was built; it's reality that someone built it; and
> it's a matter of fact (fact being a detail of reality) who those people
> were, how they built it, what jobs each of them did, what they ate on
> the job, who made their lunches, their \family statuses, their
> religions, and on and on ... By the same token, those who lived in those
> houses were similarly real.
>
> However, those people's present reality is that they're not here, not
> working on my home or living in it. So the easy answer is, no, these
> other people living in my home do not exist. It's correct to say that
> they did exist (in the past), but not that they do exist (in the present).
>
> But that answer is not based simply on reality, but on how we normally
> conceptualize reality, as divided into past (what we're aware of, but
> can't alter), future (what we can alter, and are not aware of), and
> present (the shifting boundary between the other two states).
>
> On the other hand, there are some who do not accept that distinction,
> and believe that past, present, and future exist simultaneously. For
> those, it would follow that these past residents of the house are here now.

Outstanding read, G.D.

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:31:09 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:23:10 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > -
> > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > > [...]
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> > >
> > On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > -
> > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > > [...]
> > >
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> > >
> > I saw an earlier request, on an earlier PPB post, that asked me to
> > include some original commentary with these poem. (That was made on
> > aapc, for the benefit of RAP readers). So let's do that here.
> >
> > Does the past exist, other than subjectively (as individual memories)?
> > Obviously, past reality effects present reality. It's reality that I
> > live in a home that was built; it's reality that someone built it; and
> > it's a matter of fact (fact being a detail of reality) who those people
> > were, how they built it, what jobs each of them did, what they ate on
> > the job, who made their lunches, their \family statuses, their
> > religions, and on and on ... By the same token, those who lived in those
> > houses were similarly real.
> >
> > However, those people's present reality is that they're not here, not
> > working on my home or living in it. So the easy answer is, no, these
> > other people living in my home do not exist. It's correct to say that
> > they did exist (in the past), but not that they do exist (in the present).
> >
> > But that answer is not based simply on reality, but on how we normally
> > conceptualize reality, as divided into past (what we're aware of, but
> > can't alter), future (what we can alter, and are not aware of), and
> > present (the shifting boundary between the other two states).
> >
> > On the other hand, there are some who do not accept that distinction,
> > and believe that past, present, and future exist simultaneously. For
> > those, it would follow that these past residents of the house are here now.
> Outstanding read, G.D.

Shut up, Todd.

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:27 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:31:09 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:23:10 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > -
> > > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > > > [...]
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> > > >
> > > On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > -
> > > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> > > >
> > > I saw an earlier request, on an earlier PPB post, that asked me to
> > > include some original commentary with these poem. (That was made on
> > > aapc, for the benefit of RAP readers). So let's do that here.
> > >
> > > Does the past exist, other than subjectively (as individual memories)?
> > > Obviously, past reality effects present reality. It's reality that I
> > > live in a home that was built; it's reality that someone built it; and
> > > it's a matter of fact (fact being a detail of reality) who those people
> > > were, how they built it, what jobs each of them did, what they ate on
> > > the job, who made their lunches, their \family statuses, their
> > > religions, and on and on ... By the same token, those who lived in those
> > > houses were similarly real.
> > >
> > > However, those people's present reality is that they're not here, not
> > > working on my home or living in it. So the easy answer is, no, these
> > > other people living in my home do not exist. It's correct to say that
> > > they did exist (in the past), but not that they do exist (in the present).
> > >
> > > But that answer is not based simply on reality, but on how we normally
> > > conceptualize reality, as divided into past (what we're aware of, but
> > > can't alter), future (what we can alter, and are not aware of), and
> > > present (the shifting boundary between the other two states).
> > >
> > > On the other hand, there are some who do not accept that distinction,
> > > and believe that past, present, and future exist simultaneously. For
> > > those, it would follow that these past residents of the house are here now.
> > Outstanding read, G.D.
> Shut up, Todd.

Says Michael Pendragon, as he slings his monkey shit, as usual.

🙂

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:20:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:27 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:31:09 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:23:10 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > > > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > > -
> > > > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > > > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > > > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > > > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> > > > >
> > > > On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > > > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > > -
> > > > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > > > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > > > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > > > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> > > > >
> > > > I saw an earlier request, on an earlier PPB post, that asked me to
> > > > include some original commentary with these poem. (That was made on
> > > > aapc, for the benefit of RAP readers). So let's do that here.
> > > >
> > > > Does the past exist, other than subjectively (as individual memories)?
> > > > Obviously, past reality effects present reality. It's reality that I
> > > > live in a home that was built; it's reality that someone built it; and
> > > > it's a matter of fact (fact being a detail of reality) who those people
> > > > were, how they built it, what jobs each of them did, what they ate on
> > > > the job, who made their lunches, their \family statuses, their
> > > > religions, and on and on ... By the same token, those who lived in those
> > > > houses were similarly real.
> > > >
> > > > However, those people's present reality is that they're not here, not
> > > > working on my home or living in it. So the easy answer is, no, these
> > > > other people living in my home do not exist. It's correct to say that
> > > > they did exist (in the past), but not that they do exist (in the present).
> > > >
> > > > But that answer is not based simply on reality, but on how we normally
> > > > conceptualize reality, as divided into past (what we're aware of, but
> > > > can't alter), future (what we can alter, and are not aware of), and
> > > > present (the shifting boundary between the other two states).
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, there are some who do not accept that distinction,
> > > > and believe that past, present, and future exist simultaneously. For
> > > > those, it would follow that these past residents of the house are here now.
> > > Outstanding read, G.D.
> > Shut up, Todd.
> Says Michael Pendragon, as he slings his monkey shit, as usual.

George Dance opened a discussion on the subjective nature of reality -- specifically citing my own beliefs regarding the illusion of time. I provided an equally in-depth response.

If Todd had contributed anything of value to the discussion, his response would have been met with a different response.

Generic slurpages, otoh, are not conducive to literary discussion, and are not welcome here (at least, not by me).

Your trolling is equally unwelcome... and, unfortunately, expected.,

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:27:18 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:20:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:27 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:31:09 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:23:10 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > > > > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > > > > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > > > > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > > > > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > > > > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > > > > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > > > > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > > > > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > >
> > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > I saw an earlier request, on an earlier PPB post, that asked me to
> > > > > include some original commentary with these poem. (That was made on
> > > > > aapc, for the benefit of RAP readers). So let's do that here.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does the past exist, other than subjectively (as individual memories)?
> > > > > Obviously, past reality effects present reality. It's reality that I
> > > > > live in a home that was built; it's reality that someone built it; and
> > > > > it's a matter of fact (fact being a detail of reality) who those people
> > > > > were, how they built it, what jobs each of them did, what they ate on
> > > > > the job, who made their lunches, their \family statuses, their
> > > > > religions, and on and on ... By the same token, those who lived in those
> > > > > houses were similarly real.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, those people's present reality is that they're not here, not
> > > > > working on my home or living in it. So the easy answer is, no, these
> > > > > other people living in my home do not exist. It's correct to say that
> > > > > they did exist (in the past), but not that they do exist (in the present).
> > > > >
> > > > > But that answer is not based simply on reality, but on how we normally
> > > > > conceptualize reality, as divided into past (what we're aware of, but
> > > > > can't alter), future (what we can alter, and are not aware of), and
> > > > > present (the shifting boundary between the other two states).
> > > > >
> > > > > On the other hand, there are some who do not accept that distinction,
> > > > > and believe that past, present, and future exist simultaneously. For
> > > > > those, it would follow that these past residents of the house are here now.
> > > > Outstanding read, G.D.
> > > Shut up, Todd.
> > Says Michael Pendragon, as he slings his monkey shit, as usual.
> George Dance opened a discussion on the subjective nature of reality -- specifically citing my own beliefs regarding the illusion of time. I provided an equally in-depth response.
>
> If Todd had contributed anything of value to the discussion, his response would have been met with a different response.
>
> Generic slurpages, otoh, are not conducive to literary discussion, and are not welcome here (at least, not by me).
>
> Your trolling is equally unwelcome... and, unfortunately, expected.,

As is your use of the stale "Todd" one-liner, little monkey

HTH and HAND.

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:31:25 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:27:18 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:20:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:27 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:31:09 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:23:10 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > > > > > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > > > > > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > > > > > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > > > > > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > > > > > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > > > > > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > > > > > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > > > > > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I saw an earlier request, on an earlier PPB post, that asked me to
> > > > > > include some original commentary with these poem. (That was made on
> > > > > > aapc, for the benefit of RAP readers). So let's do that here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does the past exist, other than subjectively (as individual memories)?
> > > > > > Obviously, past reality effects present reality. It's reality that I
> > > > > > live in a home that was built; it's reality that someone built it; and
> > > > > > it's a matter of fact (fact being a detail of reality) who those people
> > > > > > were, how they built it, what jobs each of them did, what they ate on
> > > > > > the job, who made their lunches, their \family statuses, their
> > > > > > religions, and on and on ... By the same token, those who lived in those
> > > > > > houses were similarly real.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, those people's present reality is that they're not here, not
> > > > > > working on my home or living in it. So the easy answer is, no, these
> > > > > > other people living in my home do not exist. It's correct to say that
> > > > > > they did exist (in the past), but not that they do exist (in the present).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But that answer is not based simply on reality, but on how we normally
> > > > > > conceptualize reality, as divided into past (what we're aware of, but
> > > > > > can't alter), future (what we can alter, and are not aware of), and
> > > > > > present (the shifting boundary between the other two states).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the other hand, there are some who do not accept that distinction,
> > > > > > and believe that past, present, and future exist simultaneously. For
> > > > > > those, it would follow that these past residents of the house are here now.
> > > > > Outstanding read, G.D.
> > > > Shut up, Todd.
> > > Says Michael Pendragon, as he slings his monkey shit, as usual.
> > George Dance opened a discussion on the subjective nature of reality -- specifically citing my own beliefs regarding the illusion of time. I provided an equally in-depth response.
> >
> > If Todd had contributed anything of value to the discussion, his response would have been met with a different response.
> >
> > Generic slurpages, otoh, are not conducive to literary discussion, and are not welcome here (at least, not by me).
> >
> > Your trolling is equally unwelcome... and, unfortunately, expected.,
> As is your use of the stale "Todd" one-liner, little monkey
>
> HTH and HAND.

*PLONK*

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:45:30 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:31:25 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:27:18 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:20:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:08:27 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 5:31:09 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:23:10 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > > > > > > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > > > > > > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > > > > > > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > > > > > > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> > > > > > > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> > > > > > > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> > > > > > > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> > > > > > > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> > > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I saw an earlier request, on an earlier PPB post, that asked me to
> > > > > > > include some original commentary with these poem. (That was made on
> > > > > > > aapc, for the benefit of RAP readers). So let's do that here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does the past exist, other than subjectively (as individual memories)?
> > > > > > > Obviously, past reality effects present reality. It's reality that I
> > > > > > > live in a home that was built; it's reality that someone built it; and
> > > > > > > it's a matter of fact (fact being a detail of reality) who those people
> > > > > > > were, how they built it, what jobs each of them did, what they ate on
> > > > > > > the job, who made their lunches, their \family statuses, their
> > > > > > > religions, and on and on ... By the same token, those who lived in those
> > > > > > > houses were similarly real.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, those people's present reality is that they're not here, not
> > > > > > > working on my home or living in it. So the easy answer is, no, these
> > > > > > > other people living in my home do not exist. It's correct to say that
> > > > > > > they did exist (in the past), but not that they do exist (in the present).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But that answer is not based simply on reality, but on how we normally
> > > > > > > conceptualize reality, as divided into past (what we're aware of, but
> > > > > > > can't alter), future (what we can alter, and are not aware of), and
> > > > > > > present (the shifting boundary between the other two states).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On the other hand, there are some who do not accept that distinction,
> > > > > > > and believe that past, present, and future exist simultaneously. For
> > > > > > > those, it would follow that these past residents of the house are here now.
> > > > > > Outstanding read, G.D.
> > > > > Shut up, Todd.
> > > > Says Michael Pendragon, as he slings his monkey shit, as usual.
> > > George Dance opened a discussion on the subjective nature of reality -- specifically citing my own beliefs regarding the illusion of time. I provided an equally in-depth response.
> > >
> > > If Todd had contributed anything of value to the discussion, his response would have been met with a different response.
> > >
> > > Generic slurpages, otoh, are not conducive to literary discussion, and are not welcome here (at least, not by me).
> > >
> > > Your trolling is equally unwelcome... and, unfortunately, expected.,
> > As is your use of the stale "Todd" one-liner, little monkey
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
> *PLONK*

Good riddance to Michael Pendragon, shit spewing little monkey.

🙂

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:45:30 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:31:25 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:23:10 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>
>> > > > > > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
>> > > > > > > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
>> > > > > > > > -
>> > > > > > > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
>> > > > > > > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
>> > > > > > > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
>> > > > > > > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
>> > > > > > > > [...]
>> > > > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
>> > > > > > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
>> > > > > > > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
>> > > > > > > > -
>> > > > > > > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
>> > > > > > > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
>> > > > > > > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
>> > > > > > > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
>> > > > > > > > [...]
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I saw an earlier request, on an earlier PPB post, that asked me to
>> > > > > > > include some original commentary with these poem. (That was made on
>> > > > > > > aapc, for the benefit of RAP readers). So let's do that here.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Does the past exist, other than subjectively (as individual memories)?
>> > > > > > > Obviously, past reality effects present reality. It's reality that I
>> > > > > > > live in a home that was built; it's reality that someone built it; and
>> > > > > > > it's a matter of fact (fact being a detail of reality) who those people
>> > > > > > > were, how they built it, what jobs each of them did, what they ate on
>> > > > > > > the job, who made their lunches, their family statuses, their
>> > > > > > > religions, and on and on ... By the same token, those who lived in those
>> > > > > > > houses were similarly real.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > However, those people's present reality is that they're not here, not
>> > > > > > > working on my home or living in it. So the easy answer is, no, these
>> > > > > > > other people living in my home do not exist. It's correct to say that
>> > > > > > > they did exist (in the past), but not that they do exist (in the present).
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > But that answer is not based simply on reality, but on how we normally
>> > > > > > > conceptualize reality, as divided into past (what we're aware of, but
>> > > > > > > can't alter), future (what we can alter, and are not aware of), and
>> > > > > > > present (the shifting boundary between the other two states).
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On the other hand, there are some who do not accept that distinction,
>> > > > > > > and believe that past, present, and future exist simultaneously. For
>> > > > > > > those, it would follow that these past residents of the house are here now.
>> > > > > > Outstanding read, G.D.
>> > > > > Shut up, Todd.
>> > > > Says Michael Pendragon, as he slings his monkey shit, as usual.
>> > > George Dance opened a discussion on the subjective nature of reality -- specifically citing my own beliefs regarding the illusion of time. I provided an equally in-depth response.
>> > >
>> > > If Todd had contributed anything of value to the discussion, his response would have been met with a different response.
>> > >
>> > > Generic slurpages, otoh, are not conducive to literary discussion, and are not welcome here (at least, not by me).
>> > >
>> > > Your trolling is equally unwelcome... and, unfortunately, expected.,
>> > As is your use of the stale "Todd" one-liner, little monkey
>> >
>> > HTH and HAND.
>> *PLONK*

> Good riddance to Michael Pendragon, shit spewing little monkey.

Yep, ///skip and ignore/// is a blessing for us all...!

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 10:48:19 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:45:30 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:31:25 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 1:23:10 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> >> > > > > > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> >> > > > > > > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> >> > > > > > > > -
> >> > > > > > > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> >> > > > > > > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> >> > > > > > > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> >> > > > > > > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> >> > > > > > > > [...]
> >> > > > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On 2022-10-31 12:47 p.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for Hallowe'en
> >> > > > > > > > Haunted Houses, by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
> >> > > > > > > > -
> >> > > > > > > > All houses wherein men have lived and died
> >> > > > > > > > Are haunted houses. Through the open doors
> >> > > > > > > > The harmless phantoms on their errands glide,
> >> > > > > > > > With feet that make no sound upon the floors,
> >> > > > > > > > [...]
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/10/ppb-haunted-houses-henry-wadsworth.html
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I saw an earlier request, on an earlier PPB post, that asked me to
> >> > > > > > > include some original commentary with these poem. (That was made on
> >> > > > > > > aapc, for the benefit of RAP readers). So let's do that here.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Does the past exist, other than subjectively (as individual memories)?
> >> > > > > > > Obviously, past reality effects present reality. It's reality that I
> >> > > > > > > live in a home that was built; it's reality that someone built it; and
> >> > > > > > > it's a matter of fact (fact being a detail of reality) who those people
> >> > > > > > > were, how they built it, what jobs each of them did, what they ate on
> >> > > > > > > the job, who made their lunches, their family statuses, their
> >> > > > > > > religions, and on and on ... By the same token, those who lived in those
> >> > > > > > > houses were similarly real.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > However, those people's present reality is that they're not here, not
> >> > > > > > > working on my home or living in it. So the easy answer is, no, these
> >> > > > > > > other people living in my home do not exist. It's correct to say that
> >> > > > > > > they did exist (in the past), but not that they do exist (in the present).
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > But that answer is not based simply on reality, but on how we normally
> >> > > > > > > conceptualize reality, as divided into past (what we're aware of, but
> >> > > > > > > can't alter), future (what we can alter, and are not aware of), and
> >> > > > > > > present (the shifting boundary between the other two states).
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On the other hand, there are some who do not accept that distinction,
> >> > > > > > > and believe that past, present, and future exist simultaneously. For
> >> > > > > > > those, it would follow that these past residents of the house are here now.
> >> > > > > > Outstanding read, G.D.
> >> > > > > Shut up, Todd.
> >> > > > Says Michael Pendragon, as he slings his monkey shit, as usual.
> >> > > George Dance opened a discussion on the subjective nature of reality -- specifically citing my own beliefs regarding the illusion of time. I provided an equally in-depth response.
> >> > >
> >> > > If Todd had contributed anything of value to the discussion, his response would have been met with a different response.
> >> > >
> >> > > Generic slurpages, otoh, are not conducive to literary discussion, and are not welcome here (at least, not by me).
> >> > >
> >> > > Your trolling is equally unwelcome... and, unfortunately, expected..,
> >> > As is your use of the stale "Todd" one-liner, little monkey
> >> >
> >> > HTH and HAND.
> >> *PLONK*
>
> > Good riddance to Michael Pendragon, shit spewing little monkey.
> Yep, ///skip and ignore/// is a blessing for us all...!

Good evening, agreed.

🙂