On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:09:53 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> >> > > > > >>> >> >
> >> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >> > > > > >>> >> muse?
> >> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> >> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> >> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>
> >> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> >> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> >> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> >> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> >> > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> >> > > > >
>
> >> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> >> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> >> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> >> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> >> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> >> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
>
> > No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
>
> > Fair use.
> Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!

Wrong, Stinky.

It started as a satire, but quickly took on a life of its own... to such a point that George Dance considered it to be his own poem (albeit, co-authored). He also used a variation on its title for his blog "Betty's Hat," and after complaints by PJR, "Penny's Hat." The problem is that George's "satire" didn't significantly change, or comment on, PJR's poem (necessary criteria for it to have passed as satire). It simply took PJR's poem and added more lines to it, in which George and his co-author listed additional colors. The basic premise remained the same -- in spite of the addition of thousands of colors. George Dance is indisputably guilty on that count.

George may not have intentionally stolen it -- but that is, nevertheless, what he did.

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:11:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:09:53 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >
> > >> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > >> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > >> > > > > >>> >> muse?
> > >> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > >> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> > >> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > >> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > >> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > >> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> > >> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> > >> > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > >> > > > >
> >
> > >> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > >> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > >> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > >> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> > >> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> > >> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
> >
> > > No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
> >
> > > Fair use.
> > Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
> Wrong, Stinky.
> It started as a satire, but quickly took on a life of its own... to such a point that George Dance considered it to be his own poem (albeit, co-authored). He also used a variation on its title for his blog "Betty's Hat," and after complaints by PJR, "Penny's Hat." The problem is that George's "satire" didn't significantly change, or comment on, PJR's poem (necessary criteria for it to have passed as satire). It simply took PJR's poem and added more lines to it, in which George and his co-author listed additional colors. The basic premise remained the same -- in spite of the addition of thousands of colors. George Dance is indisputably guilty on that count.
>
> George may not have intentionally stolen it -- but that is, nevertheless, what he did.

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:22:16 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:11:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:09:53 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> muse?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &..
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> > > >> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > >> > > > >
> > >
> > > >> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > > >> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > > >> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > > >> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> > > >> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> > > >> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
> > >
> > > > No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
> > >
> > > > Fair use.
> > > Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
> > Wrong, Stinky.
> > It started as a satire, but quickly took on a life of its own... to such a point that George Dance considered it to be his own poem (albeit, co-authored). He also used a variation on its title for his blog "Betty's Hat," and after complaints by PJR, "Penny's Hat." The problem is that George's "satire" didn't significantly change, or comment on, PJR's poem (necessary criteria for it to have passed as satire). It simply took PJR's poem and added more lines to it, in which George and his co-author listed additional colors. The basic premise remained the same -- in spite of the addition of thousands of colors. George Dance is indisputably guilty on that count.
> >
> > George may not have intentionally stolen it -- but that is, nevertheless, what he did.
> o.O Did he just confess that Doc nailed on him??? >.<

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:22:16 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 9:11:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:09:53 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> muse?
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and.." I can understand you
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> > > > >> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> > > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > > > >> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > > > >> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > > > >> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> > > > >> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> > > > >> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
> > > >
> > > > > No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
> > > >
> > > > > Fair use.
> > > > Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
> > > Wrong, Stinky.
> > > It started as a satire, but quickly took on a life of its own... to such a point that George Dance considered it to be his own poem (albeit, co-authored). He also used a variation on its title for his blog "Betty's Hat," and after complaints by PJR, "Penny's Hat." The problem is that George's "satire" didn't significantly change, or comment on, PJR's poem (necessary criteria for it to have passed as satire). It simply took PJR's poem and added more lines to it, in which George and his co-author listed additional colors. The basic premise remained the same -- in spite of the addition of thousands of colors. George Dance is indisputably guilty on that count.
> > >
> > > George may not have intentionally stolen it -- but that is, nevertheless, what he did.
> > o.O Did he just confess that Doc nailed on him??? >.<
> No. Stink is merely repeating the Donkey's claim while ignoring (and post-editing) the evidence to the contrary.
>
> IOW: It's just business as usual.

On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:09:53 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>>
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> >> > > > > >>> >> >
> >> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >> > > > > >>> >> muse?
> >> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> >> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> >> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> >> > > > > >>> >> >>
> >> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> >> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> >> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> >> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> >> > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> >> > > > >
>
> >> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> >> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> >> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> >> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> >> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> >> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
>
> > No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
>
> > Fair use.
> Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!

Obvious, probably even to PJR himself.

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:28:25 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:09:53 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >
> > >> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > >> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > >> > > > > >>> >> muse?
> > >> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > >> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> > >> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > >> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > >> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >>
> > >> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > >> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > >> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> > >> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> > >> > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > >> > > > >
> >
> > >> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > >> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > >> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > >> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> > >> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> > >> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
> >
> > > No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
> >
> > > Fair use.
> > Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
> Obvious, probably even to PJR himself.

Obviously not, since PJR accused George Dance of having plagiarized it from him.

Why do you lie so much, Donkey?

Michael Pendragon
"He's not obsessing, he's laughing.overover this typo..."
-- Will Donkey laughing overover other people's typos.

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:32:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:28:25 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:09:53 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> muse?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &..
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > >> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> > > >> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > >> > > > >
> > >
> > > >> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > > >> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > > >> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > > >> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> > > >> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> > > >> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
> > >
> > > > No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
> > >
> > > > Fair use.
> > > Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
> > Obvious, probably even to PJR himself.
> Obviously not, since PJR accused George Dance of having plagiarized it from him.

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:37:56 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:32:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:28:25 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:09:53 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> muse?
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and.." I can understand you
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> > > > >> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> > > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > > > >> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > > > >> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > > > >> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> > > > >> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> > > > >> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
> > > >
> > > > > No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
> > > >
> > > > > Fair use.
> > > > Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
> > > Obvious, probably even to PJR himself.
> > Obviously not, since PJR accused George Dance of having plagiarized it from him.
> I didn't say PJR would admit it, little monkey.

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:41:48 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:37:56 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:32:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:28:25 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:09:53 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> muse?
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> > > > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that....
> > > > > >> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > > > > >> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > > > > >> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> > > > > >> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> > > > > >> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > > No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Fair use.
> > > > > Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
> > > > Obvious, probably even to PJR himself.
> > > Obviously not, since PJR accused George Dance of having plagiarized it from him.
> > I didn't say PJR would admit it, little monkey.
> Was George's "Penny's Hat" blog a satire as well, Donkey?

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 5:44:44 AM UTC-4, Robert Burrows wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > postpoetry

> > ~~
> > George J. Dance, 2007

> I'm not sitting here wishing for your death,

I am.
I hope the idiot dies in a fire.

Family Guy wrote:

> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 5:44:44 AM UTC-4, Robert Burrows wrote:
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > postpoetry

>> > ~~
>> > George J. Dance, 2007

>> I'm not sitting here wishing for your death,

> I am.
> I hope the idiot dies in a fire.

Dink's death fantasy noted, again.

🙂

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:41:48 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:37:56 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:32:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 12:28:25 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 9:09:53 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> muse?
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> > > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> > > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> > > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that.....
> > > > > > >> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> > > > > > >> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> > > > > > >> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> > > > > > >> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> > > > > > >> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fair use.
> > > > > > Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
> > > > > Obvious, probably even to PJR himself.
> > > > Obviously not, since PJR accused George Dance of having plagiarized it from him.
> > > I didn't say PJR would admit it, little monkey.
> > Was George's "Penny's Hat" blog a satire as well, Donkey?
> I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > > >> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> muse?
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
>> > > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
>> > > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
>> > > > > > >> > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that.....
>> > > > > > >> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
>> > > > > > >> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
>> > > > > > >> > > >
>> > > > > > >> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
>> > > > > > >> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
>> > > > > > >> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
>> > > > > > >> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR. And you know that, as well.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Fair use.
>> > > > > > Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
>> > > > > Obvious, probably even to PJR himself.
>> > > > Obviously not, since PJR accused George Dance of having plagiarized it from him.
>> > > I didn't say PJR would admit it, little monkey.
>> > Was George's "Penny's Hat" blog a satire as well, Donkey?
>> I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:29:41 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015

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> > I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.
> If you like. I do remember reading PJR's accusation, and finding it disturbingly convincing.

Peter has been known to lie sometimes though....

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:52:24 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:29:41 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.
> > If you like. I do remember reading PJR's accusation, and finding it disturbingly convincing.
> Peter has been known to lie sometimes though....

Has he?

PP or STFU.

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:55:04 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:52:24 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:29:41 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.
> > > If you like. I do remember reading PJR's accusation, and finding it disturbingly convincing.
> > Peter has been known to lie sometimes though....
> Has he?

Yep....

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:55:04 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:52:24 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:29:41 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.
> > > If you like. I do remember reading PJR's accusation, and finding it disturbingly convincing.
> > Peter has been known to lie sometimes though....
> Has he?

I'm surprised you never noticed.

:)

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:52:24 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:29:41 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.
> > If you like. I do remember reading PJR's accusation, and finding it disturbingly convincing.
> Peter has been known to lie sometimes though....

Funny who the whippin' fools cannot provide proof. But who needs proof when they know they, like Trump, can get away with lying and misrepresenting!
Thou hypocrites!

Zod
Jul 15, 2022, 3:30:16 PM
"Good ole Peter, he is missed...."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/5LAoaQn7dmU/m/Du0d3rJ4AAAJ
Will Dockery's profile photo

Will Dockery
Jul 19, 2017, 5:24:24 PM
Oh, so I'm a topic of discussion over there, behind my back, without any chance for rebuttal or to give true story.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/tl4j-Wlrhkw/m/C2eiYJC7AAAJ

**funny that, Will and Zod are here making accusations behind someone's back...**

Will Dockery
Apr 29, 2021, 12:23:17 PM
"No, skipped and ignored the troll threads, as I've stated several times."

"For in no nation on the earth
More Pharisees you’ll find"
--'Dark Horse on the Wind' ~~Liam Weldon

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 5:31:56 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:52:24 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:29:41 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.
> > > If you like. I do remember reading PJR's accusation, and finding it disturbingly convincing.
> > Peter has been known to lie sometimes though....
>
> cannot provide proof

You just make this shit up as you go along don't you, Ash?

:)

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:04:09 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > > >> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 2:11:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > > > > > >> > On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 12:59:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> postpoetry
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>>
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> ~~
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>>
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> muse?
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> teacher we once had here:
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >>
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > That saying has been used too much here.
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> > Should she have?
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> >> > > > > > >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid opinion), but *should* she have.
> >> > > > > > >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> George Dance is known (with or without justification) for
> >> > > > > > >> > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that.....
> >> > > > > > >> > > > > Pendragon damned well knows it.
> >> > > > > > >> > > > That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> >> > > > > > >> > > >
> >> > > > > > >> > > > Both Jim and I were victims of another form of literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> >> > > > > > >> > > That's not plagiarism, though.
> >> > > > > > >> > What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> >> > > > > > >> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from PJR.. And you know that, as well.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Fair use.
> >> > > > > > Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
> >> > > > > Obvious, probably even to PJR himself.
> >> > > > Obviously not, since PJR accused George Dance of having plagiarized it from him.
> >> > > I didn't say PJR would admit it, little monkey.
> >> > Was George's "Penny's Hat" blog a satire as well, Donkey?
> >> I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.
>
> > If you like. I do remember reading PJR's accusation, and finding it disturbingly convincing.
> Your memory is not well known to be very trustworthy, Pen.

On 2022-11-01 3:55 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:52:24 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:29:41 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postpoetry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.
>>> If you like. I do remember reading PJR's accusation, and finding it disturbingly convincing.
>> Peter has been known to lie sometimes though....
>
> Has he?
>
> PP or STFU.

One good example is "Peter's accusation" that you just mentioned. I'm
just going by memory, but since remember it so well, I don't think I
have to dig up an old post for you.

"Peter's accusation" was that I took a (claimed) poem of his and
published it under my own name, with only the character's name, "Batty,"
changed. As you also should remember, I spent considerable time with you
on a long thread, showing exactly all the steps in the evolution of
"Penny, or Penny's Hat," and proving that the alleged plagiarism never
happened.

On 2022-10-26 6:09 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 5:26:16 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 5:11:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 4:35:14 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> postpoetry
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>>>>>>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>>>>>>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>>>>>>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>>>>>>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>>>>>>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>>>>>>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>>>>>>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>>>>>>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>>>>>>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>>>>>>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>>>>>>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
>>>>>>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>>>>>>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>>>>>>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>>>>>>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>>>>>>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>>>>>>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>>>>>>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>>>>>>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>>>>>>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~
>>>>>>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>>>>>>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>>>>>>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>>>>>>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>>>>>>> muse?
>>>>>>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>>>>>>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>>>>>>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>>>>>>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>>>>>>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>>>>>>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>>>>>>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>>>>>>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>>>>>>>>> teacher we once had here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>>>>>>>> That saying has been used too much here.
>>>>>>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>>>>>>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>>>>>>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
>>>>>> Should she have?
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
>>>> As Nancy G. demonstrates with each and every day here...
>>> Funny how NancyGene has not mentioned plagiarism
>> Probably because there is none...?
>
> George Dance is the only one who'd insinuated that there was, Stink.

I never insinuated any such thing, Monkey. Are you deliberately
misrepresenting, or did you just not understand what I wrote to NG?

On 2022-10-26 5:11 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 4:35:14 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> postpoetry
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>>>>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>>>>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>>>>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>>>>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>>>>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>>>>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
>>>>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>>>>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>>>>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>>>>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>>>>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>>>>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>>>>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>>>>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>>>>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>>>>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
>>>>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>>>>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>>>>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>>>>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>>>>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>>>>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>>>>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>>>>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>>>>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ~~
>>>>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>>>>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>>>>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>>>>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>>>>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>>>>> muse?
>>>>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>>>>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>>>>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>>>>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>>>>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>>>>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>>>>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>>>>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>>>>>>> teacher we once had here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>>>>>> That saying has been used too much here.
>>>>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>>>>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>>>>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
>>>> Should she have?
>>>
>>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
>> As Nancy G. demonstrates with each and every day here...
>
> Funny how NancyGene has not mentioned plagiarism in this thread.
>
> George Dance wrongly insinuated that she was going to accuse him of plagiarism

That would be typical NG behavior; as you should remember, they've done
that in other literary discussions. For example, in the "glass houses"
discussion where they pulled that exact stunt on me. (Given your claimed
excellent memory, I won't bother to quot from that discussion.)

, and you and your Donkey are (predictably) behaving as if she had.
>

They're as aware as I am that it's a typical NG troll stunt.

> I think the "demonstration" has been made inescapably clear.

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 9:21:46 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-01 3:55 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:52:24 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:29:41 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 3:25:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postpoetry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.
> >>> If you like. I do remember reading PJR's accusation, and finding it disturbingly convincing.
> >> Peter has been known to lie sometimes though....
> >
> > Has he?
> >
> > PP or STFU.
> One good example is "Peter's accusation" that you just mentioned. I'm
> just going by memory, but since remember it so well, I don't think I
> have to dig up an old post for you.
>
> "Peter's accusation" was that I took a (claimed) poem of his and
> published it under my own name, with only the character's name, "Batty,"
> changed. As you also should remember, I spent considerable time with you
> on a long thread, showing exactly all the steps in the evolution of
> "Penny, or Penny's Hat," and proving that the alleged plagiarism never
> happened.

Unfortunately, for you, you only ended up supporting Peter's accusation.

You place far too much stock in your "debunking" skills.

I have read both "Betty's" and "Batty's" poems, and there is no *significant* difference between them.

You changed one letter in the title character's name, and one or two words (if that) in each of PJR's lines.

The only distinguishing factor was that PJR's poem only listed a couple of colors, whereas your poem expanded the list of colors into the dozens (hundreds?, thousands?).

But the additional colors did not *significantly* alter the content of the poem. The hat was still red, not yellow, and still Batty's/Betty's.

Here's the proof:

From rec.arts.poems ("Batty / PJR)

On Friday, November 20, 2009 at 7:12:12 PM UTC-5, Peter J Ross wrote:
> Batty's red woollen hat is a good hat.
> It's a hat that isn't yellow, it's just a hat
> that's red. It warms his ears, Batty's ears,
> not mine, not yours.
> --
> PJR :-)
> <http://pjr.lasnobberia.net/verse/>

Then George Dance grabbed the poem for his very own:

On Thursday, November 26, 2009 at 9:53:44 PM UTC-5, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Nov 24, 9:57 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 24, 9:29 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > Hell, if we get rid of "Batty", we can cut PJ out of the credits, too,
> > > and put you in. (Of course we have to change 'his' to 'her' in the
> > > last line. Let's see what ray thinks.
> >
> > That sounds like an interesting & intelligent idea to me...
> >
> BTW, I checked out Colin's reference, in his 'worst poet' message you
> quoted upthread, "that one of the best online poets around has joined
> this discussion. We are in the presence of greatness, people!" That
> has to be a reference to ray heinrich (who posted onto the thread, but
> didn't pick a worst poet).
> So I'm starting to doubt that ray will be willing to get involved in
> this project. But I'll keep plugging along, nevertheless.
> For this latest edit, I dropped the Dance Mix subtitle, and I added
> more colours: Rice's, then whatever I could remember on my own, then
> the HTML colour names. If you could think of any colours we've missed,
> that would be great, too.
>
> Betty
> Betty's hat is a good hat.
> It's a Red wool hat.
> It isn't Alabaster or Alice Blue
> or Almond or Amber
> or Amethyst or Antique Brass
> or Apple Green or Apricot
> or Aqua or Aquamarine
> or Asparagus or Atomic Tangerine
> or Auburn or Azure
> or Baby Blue or Baby Pink
> or Banana Mania or Beaver
> or Beige or Bittersweet
> or Black or Blizzard Blue
> or Blue or Blue Bell
> or Blue Gray or Blue Green
> or Blue Violet or Blush
> or Brick Red or Bronze
> or Brown or Burgundy
> or Burnt Orange or Burnt Sienna
> or Cadet Blue or Canary
> or Caribbean Green or Carnation Pink
> or Cerise or Cerulean
> or Champagne or Charcoal
> or Chartreuse or Chestnut
> or Chocolate or Cinnamon
> or Claret or Cobalt
> or Copper or Coral
> or Corn or Cornflower
> or Cotton Candy or Cream
> or Cyan or Dandelion
> or Denim or Desert Sand
> or Ebony or Ecru
> or Eggplant or Eggshell
> or Electric Lime or Emerald
> or Fawn or Fern
> or Fire Engine Red or Forest Green
> or Fuchsia or Fuzzy Wuzzy
> or Gold or Goldenrod
> or Granny Smith Apple or Gray
> or Green or Green Blue
> or Green Yellow or Honey Dew
> or Hot Magenta or Hunter Green
> or Inchworm or Indigo
> or Ivory or Jade
> or Jazzberry Jam or Jungle Green
> or Kelly Green or Khaki
> or Laser Lemon or Lavender
> or Lawn Green or Lemon Yellow
> or Lilac or Macaroni and Cheese
> or Magenta or Magnola
> or Magic Mint or Mahogany
> or Maize or Manatee
> or Mango Tango or Maroon
> or Mauvelous or Melon
> or Midnight Blue or Moss Green
> or Mountain Meadow or Mulberry
> or Mustard or Navy Blue
> or Neon Carrot or Ochre
> or Olive Drab or Olive Green
> or Orange or Orange Red
> or Orange Yellow or Orchid
> or Outer Space or Outrageous Orange
> or Pacific Blue or Peach
> or Pear or Pearl
> or Periwinkle or Persimmon
> or Piggy Pink or Pine Green
> or Pink Flamingo or Pink Sherbert
> or Platinum or Plum
> or Power Blue or Primrose
> or Puce or Pumpkin
> or Purple Heart or Purple Mountain's Majesty
> or Purple Pizzazz or Radical Red
> or Raspberry or Raw Sienna
> or Raw Umber or Razzle Dazzle Rose
> or Razzmatazz or Red Orange
> or Red Violet or Robin's Egg Blue
> or Rose or Royal Blue
> or Royal Purple or Ruby
> or Russet or Rust
> or Saffron or Salmon
> or Sapphire or Scarlet
> or Screamin' Green or Sea Green
> or Sepia or Shadow
> or Shamrock or Shocking Pink
> or Silver or Sky Blue
> or Slate or Sorrel
> or Spring Green or Steel Blue
> or Sunglow or Sunset Orange
> or Tan or Taupe
> or Teal Blue or Terracotta
> or Thistle or Tickle Me Pink
> or Timberwolf or Titian
> or Topaz or Tropical Rain Forest
> or Tumbleweed or Turquoise Blue
> or Ultramarine or Umber
> or Unmellow Yellow or Vermilion
> or Violet (Purple) or Violet Blue
> or Violet Red or Vivid Tangerine
> or Vivid Violet or White
> or Wild Blue Yonder or Wild Strawberry
> or Wild Watermelon or Wisteria
> or Yellow or Yellow Green
> or Yellow Orange or Zinnober
> but just a hat that's Red.
> It warms her ears, just Betty's ears.
> poem by ray heinrich, George Dance, & Will Dockery

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 9:33:41 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-10-26 6:09 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 5:26:16 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 5:11:23 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 4:35:14 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 1:54:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>>>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> postpoetry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >>>>>>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >>>>>>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >>>>>>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >>>>>>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >>>>>>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >>>>>>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >>>>>>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >>>>>>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >>>>>>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >>>>>>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >>>>>>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >>>>>>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >>>>>>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >>>>>>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >>>>>>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >>>>>>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >>>>>>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >>>>>>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ~~
> >>>>>>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >>>>>>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >>>>>>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >>>>>>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >>>>>>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >>>>>>> muse?
> >>>>>>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >>>>>>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >>>>>>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> >>>>>>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> >>>>>>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >>>>>>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >>>>>>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >>>>>>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >>>>>>>>> teacher we once had here:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> >>>>>>>> That saying has been used too much here.
> >>>>>>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >>>>>>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >>>>>>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> >>>>>> Should she have?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes.
> >>>> As Nancy G. demonstrates with each and every day here...
> >>> Funny how NancyGene has not mentioned plagiarism
> >> Probably because there is none...?
> >
> > George Dance is the only one who'd insinuated that there was, Stink.
>
>
> I never insinuated any such thing, Monkey. Are you deliberately
> misrepresenting, or did you just not understand what I wrote to NG?

You insinuated that NancyGene was going to accuse you of plagiarism, George..

You also insinuated that her previous accusations were unfounded.

However, the archives tell a different tale:

GEORGE DANCE (to Will Donkey): Hell, if we get rid of "Batty", we can cut PJ out of the credits, too, and put you in. (Of course we have to change 'his' to 'her' in the last line. Let's see what ray thinks.