I've never had, or wanted, an account on Twitter or any other
so-called social network. I do enjoy reading several Twitter users.
(I won't say "following," as I think that has a specific meaning that
doesn't apply to anyone without a Twitter account.)

Some time ago, Twitter started requiring JavaScript, making it unusable
from Lynx. I switched to viewing it in Safari.

Some time later, Twitter placed

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at the bottom of my screen whenever I was viewing anything on Twitter,
which was annoying. There was no evident way to make it go away.

More recently, clicking on "Show this thread" stopped working, showing
me a huge pop-up instead. I forget exactly what it said, except that
it was yet another screen nagging me to sign in. Opening the thread
in another tab continued to work, however.

Then, starting yesterday, after I viewed any Twitter account for more
than about a minute, it blocked it with a huge pop-up saying:

See more Tweets from [user]
When you log in you'll be able to see every Tweet from [user]
Log in
Sign up

Reloading the page worked, but that pop-up reappeared within a few
seconds. Blocking pop-ups in Safari preferences didn't help.

So I downloaded and installed Firefox. That fixed those problems,
but now the top third of the screen is occupied by:

Search Twitter
Log in Sign up

And that's my favorite part of the screen, given how I view my laptop
-- on my back, with the computer on my chest, at very close range.
Is there any way to get rid of that message, or at least to relocate
it to the bottom of the screen? Thanks.

Alternatively, is there any way to continue to use Safari for viewing
Twitter?

Also, is it likely that Twitter will eventually succeed in blocking
people without Twitter accounts from viewing Twitter in Firefox and
all other browsers, given their apparent hostility to everyone outside
their walled garden? Thanks.
--
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Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> Also, is it likely that Twitter will eventually succeed in blocking
> people without Twitter accounts from viewing Twitter in Firefox and
> all other browsers, given their apparent hostility to everyone outside
> their walled garden? Thanks.

I don't think so; they want people outside the garden to see enough to want
to continue seeing it. They also want the experience outside the garden to
be uncomfortable enough to convince people to come in.

--
Jeff

On 1/29/22 11:04 AM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> Also, is it likely that Twitter will eventually succeed in blocking
> people without Twitter accounts from viewing Twitter in Firefox and
> all other browsers, given their apparent hostility to everyone outside
> their walled garden? Thanks.

They're also hostile to everyone inside. They'll reach their goal when
they've prevented anyone without an account from accessing Twitter and
they've suspended everyone with an account.

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
> They're also hostile to everyone inside. They'll reach their goal
> when they've prevented anyone without an account from accessing
> Twitter and they've suspended everyone with an account.

That doesn't sound to me like a viable business model.
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

On 1/29/22 4:13 PM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>> They're also hostile to everyone inside. They'll reach their goal
>> when they've prevented anyone without an account from accessing
>> Twitter and they've suspended everyone with an account.
>
> That doesn't sound to me like a viable business model.

They'll make it up by needing less hardware.

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

In article <st4795$8eu$1@dont-email.me>,
Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>On 1/29/22 11:04 AM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>> Also, is it likely that Twitter will eventually succeed in blocking
>> people without Twitter accounts from viewing Twitter in Firefox and
>> all other browsers, given their apparent hostility to everyone outside
>> their walled garden? Thanks.
>
>They're also hostile to everyone inside. They'll reach their goal when
>they've prevented anyone without an account from accessing Twitter and
>they've suspended everyone with an account.

Thus eliminating themself from existence?

Sounds like a plan.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:r6I801.12zx@kithrup.com:

> In article <st4795$8eu$1@dont-email.me>,
> Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>>On 1/29/22 11:04 AM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>>> Also, is it likely that Twitter will eventually succeed in
>>> blocking people without Twitter accounts from viewing Twitter
>>> in Firefox and all other browsers, given their apparent
>>> hostility to everyone outside their walled garden? Thanks.
>>
>>They're also hostile to everyone inside. They'll reach their
>>goal when they've prevented anyone without an account from
>>accessing Twitter and they've suspended everyone with an
>>account.
>
> Thus eliminating themself from existence?
>
> Sounds like a plan.
>
It's a common enough business model in the 2nd tech boom. Much like
the first tech boom.

It's underpants gnomes all over again.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:r6I801.12zx@kithrup.com:
>
>> In article <st4795$8eu$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>>>On 1/29/22 11:04 AM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>>>> Also, is it likely that Twitter will eventually succeed in
>>>> blocking people without Twitter accounts from viewing Twitter
>>>> in Firefox and all other browsers, given their apparent
>>>> hostility to everyone outside their walled garden? Thanks.
>>>
>>>They're also hostile to everyone inside. They'll reach their
>>>goal when they've prevented anyone without an account from
>>>accessing Twitter and they've suspended everyone with an
>>>account.
>>
>> Thus eliminating themself from existence?
>>
>> Sounds like a plan.
>>
>It's a common enough business model in the 2nd tech boom. Much like
>the first tech boom.
>
>It's underpants gnomes all over again.

It worked for the March of Dimes!
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 1/30/22 4:54 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>> news:r6I801.12zx@kithrup.com:
>>
>>> In article <st4795$8eu$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>>>> On 1/29/22 11:04 AM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>>>>> Also, is it likely that Twitter will eventually succeed in
>>>>> blocking people without Twitter accounts from viewing Twitter
>>>>> in Firefox and all other browsers, given their apparent
>>>>> hostility to everyone outside their walled garden? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> They're also hostile to everyone inside. They'll reach their
>>>> goal when they've prevented anyone without an account from
>>>> accessing Twitter and they've suspended everyone with an
>>>> account.
>>>
>>> Thus eliminating themself from existence?
>>>
>>> Sounds like a plan.
>>>
>> It's a common enough business model in the 2nd tech boom. Much like
>> the first tech boom.
>>
>> It's underpants gnomes all over again.
>
> It worked for the March of Dimes!

Penzey's is using that method, having launched a campaign to make sure
no Republican will ever buy from them.

https://www.newsweek.com/mlk-day-spice-company-says-all-republicans-racist-want-shoot-black-person-1670550?fbclid=IwAR29N6hMm_ekp1juiKlPp17E49LFTFhcl2r0UC4MCvlx2pHPdTpXV6Zymeo

--
Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com

Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote in
news:st8hsr$3q7$1@dont-email.me:

> On 1/30/22 4:54 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> Ninapenda Jibini <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>> news:r6I801.12zx@kithrup.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <st4795$8eu$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/29/22 11:04 AM, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>>>>>> Also, is it likely that Twitter will eventually succeed in
>>>>>> blocking people without Twitter accounts from viewing
>>>>>> Twitter in Firefox and all other browsers, given their
>>>>>> apparent hostility to everyone outside their walled garden?
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> They're also hostile to everyone inside. They'll reach their
>>>>> goal when they've prevented anyone without an account from
>>>>> accessing Twitter and they've suspended everyone with an
>>>>> account.
>>>>
>>>> Thus eliminating themself from existence?
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a plan.
>>>>
>>> It's a common enough business model in the 2nd tech boom. Much
>>> like the first tech boom.
>>>
>>> It's underpants gnomes all over again.
>>
>> It worked for the March of Dimes!
>
> Penzey's is using that method, having launched a campaign to
> make sure no Republican will ever buy from them.

Along with any other sane, rational person, unless it is your
contention that *only* Republicans are sane and rational.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

In article <XnsAE3076F39D33Btaustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote in
>news:st8hsr$3q7$1@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>> Penzey's is using that method, having launched a campaign to
>> make sure no Republican will ever buy from them.

Never heard of them. (Penzey's, not Republicans.) Are they an
East-Coast chain?

>Along with any other sane, rational person, unless it is your
>contention that *only* Republicans are sane and rational.

I have to keep reminding myself that there are *any* Republicans
who are sane and logical. McCain was; there are some Senators
from northern States, and Romney seems to be heading in the
proper (didn't want to say "right") direction.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:r6LJyG.1p4I@kithrup.com:

> In article <XnsAE3076F39D33Btaustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote in
>>news:st8hsr$3q7$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>> Penzey's is using that method, having launched a campaign to
>>> make sure no Republican will ever buy from them.
>
>
> Never heard of them. (Penzey's, not Republicans.) Are they an
> East-Coast chain?
>
>>Along with any other sane, rational person, unless it is your
>>contention that *only* Republicans are sane and rational.
>
> I have to keep reminding myself that there are *any* Republicans
> who are sane and logical.

I have to keep reminding myself that there are *any* Democrats who
are not fascist traitors.

> McCain was; there are some Senators
> from northern States, and Romney seems to be heading in the
> proper (didn't want to say "right") direction.
>
But I can't think of any right off hand.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <XnsAE3076F39D33Btaustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote in
>>news:st8hsr$3q7$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Penzey's is using that method, having launched a campaign to
>>> make sure no Republican will ever buy from them.
>
>Never heard of them. (Penzey's, not Republicans.) Are they an
>East-Coast chain?

They are mostly online sales, but they do have stores in many places including
many west coast places. They are headquartered out of Wisconsin, I think.

For the most part their products are high quality, fresh, and as described
although their prices tend also to be a lot higher than the local Indian
markets for the same grade of spices. Their spice blends are mostly
peculiar and not interesting, but if you want indonesian cinnamon ground in
bulk they are a good choice now that herbspicetea.com is gone.

>>Along with any other sane, rational person, unless it is your
>>contention that *only* Republicans are sane and rational.
>
>I have to keep reminding myself that there are *any* Republicans
>who are sane and logical. McCain was; there are some Senators
>from northern States, and Romney seems to be heading in the
>proper (didn't want to say "right") direction.

The problem is that the sane and logical Republicans are frequently
saying things they know are crazy because they believe it's necessary
to say that in order to get elected. I feel like I am living in the
sixties again.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Jeff Urs <jeff.urs@gmail.com> wrote:
> Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>> Also, is it likely that Twitter will eventually succeed in blocking
>> people without Twitter accounts from viewing Twitter in Firefox and
>> all other browsers, given their apparent hostility to everyone outside
>> their walled garden? Thanks.

> I don't think so; they want people outside the garden to see enough
> to want to continue seeing it. They also want the experience outside
> the garden to be uncomfortable enough to convince people to come in.

It took just three days from their blocking Safari to their blocking
Firefox. It happens in the same way. After a minute or so of normal
browsing, it superimposes a giant popup saying:

See more Tweets from [user]
When you log in you'll be able to see every Tweet from [user]
Log in
Sign up

I've discovered that in both browsers, if I click on "Log in" then
without typing anything click on the back arrow that means return to
the previously viewed page, it returns me to normal browsing. This
apparently lasts as long as I remain on the same page. I do have to
go through it again if I switch to viewing someone else's Twitter feed.

I wonder how long until they block this. Is there some permanent fix
that they can't work around? Thanks.
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

>
> I wonder how long until they block this. Is there some permanent fix
> that they can't work around? Thanks.
> --
As of today, for my Firefox configuration, using a "Private Window" will allow you to read a Twitter thread, click on threads, and follow linked threads without annoying popups. Don't know how long that will last.

Andrew Love <andrewelovejr@msn.com> wrote:
> As of today, for my Firefox configuration, using a "Private Window"
> will allow you to read a Twitter thread, click on threads, and
> follow linked threads without annoying popups. Don't know how long
> that will last.

Do you get the annoying popups that I described when you're *not*
using a "Private Window"?

I ask because I never get the popups while viewing a thread, but only
when viewing a person's whole feed, for more than about two minutes.
For the sake of specificity I will nominate https://twitter.com/RadleyBalko
as a test case.
--
Keith F. Lynch - http://keithlynch.net/
Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 7:47:10 PM UTC-5, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> Andrew Love <andrew...@msn.com> wrote:
> > As of today, for my Firefox configuration, using a "Private Window"
> > will allow you to read a Twitter thread, click on threads, and
> > follow linked threads without annoying popups. Don't know how long
> > that will last.
> Do you get the annoying popups that I described when you're *not*
> using a "Private Window"?
>
> I ask because I never get the popups while viewing a thread, but only
> when viewing a person's whole feed, for more than about two minutes.
> For the sake of specificity I will nominate https://twitter.com/RadleyBalko
> as a test case.
> --
I just tested it. In less than 2 minutes on a non-private window, I got popups that stopped me from seeing anything further. On a 'Private' window, I got the popup at the bottom that asked me to log in, but which didn't otherwise interfere. I note that Twitter's behavior is inconsistent from day to day - a few days ago, I had a lengthy run when a normal window allowed me to view feeds and threads like I had been used to a few months back, but then things went back to the unsatisfactory new normal.