Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
(from November)
[...]
Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
[...]
https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
> The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
> (from November)
> [...]
> Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
> That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
> The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
> The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html

I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.

BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:32:30 AM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
> > The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
> > (from November)
> > [...]
> > Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
> > That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
> > The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
> > The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
> > [...]
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html
> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
>
> BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."
George Dance doesn't need to comply with no stinkin' rules.

Ha, ha, ha on "Edmund Spencer." George Dance, how could you?

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:49:01 AM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:32:30 AM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
> > > The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
> > > (from November)
> > > [...]
> > > Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
> > > That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
> > > The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
> > > The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
> > > [...]
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html
> > I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
> >
> > BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."
> George Dance doesn't need to comply with no stinkin' rules.
>
> Ha, ha, ha on "Edmund Spencer." George Dance, how could you?

And in the thread's title, yet! -- Which, according to the Donkey, increases the embarrassment, and consequent humor, a thousandfold.

On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
>> The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
>> (from November)
>> [...]
>> Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
>> That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
>> The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
>> The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
>> [...]
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html
>
> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.

At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my part
in creating it -- and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
>
> BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."
>

Yes, I do know how his name's spelled; but I suspect I'll keep spelling
it "Spencer", as well as spelling his first name as "Herbert".
Fortunately, there's only one more month of the Shepheardes Calender to go.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
> >> The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
> >> (from November)
> >> [...]
> >> Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
> >> That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
> >> The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
> >> The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
> >> [...]
> >> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html
> >
> > I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my part
> in creating it --

Guidelines, George.

You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're unfamiliar with the abbreviation.

> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.

Deflection noted.

When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).

> > BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."
> >
> Yes, I do know how his name's spelled; but I suspect I'll keep spelling
> it "Spencer", as well as spelling his first name as "Herbert".

I suppose this is intended to be a witty comment, but I fail to understand both the relevance and the intended humor.

FYI, punctuation belongs inside the quotation marks.

https://style.mla.org/punctuation-and-quotation-marks/

> Fortunately, there's only one more month of the Shepheardes Calender to go.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:26:56 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
> > >> The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
> > >> (from November)
> > >> [...]
> > >> Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
> > >> That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
> > >> The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
> > >> The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
> > >> [...]
> > >> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html
> > >
> > > I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
> > At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my part
> > in creating it --
> Guidelines, George.
>
> You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
> > and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
> > least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
> Deflection noted.
>
> When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).
> > > BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."
> > >
> > Yes, I do know how his name's spelled; but I suspect I'll keep spelling
> > it "Spencer", as well as spelling his first name as "Herbert".
> I suppose this is intended to be a witty comment, but I fail to understand both the relevance and the intended humor.
>
> FYI, punctuation belongs inside the quotation marks.

Oops, I'll have to remember that-- ty for the fyi
> https://style.mla.org/punctuation-and-quotation-marks/
> > Fortunately, there's only one more month of the Shepheardes Calender to go.

On 2022-11-06 4:26 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
>>>> The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
>>>> (from November)
>>>> [...]
>>>> Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
>>>> That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
>>>> The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
>>>> The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
>>>> [...]
>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html
>>>
>>> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
>> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my part
>> in creating it --
>
> Guidelines, George.
>
> You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
>

Of course I haven't; just to 4 magazines.

Why couldn't you write "Guidelines"?

>> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
>> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
>
> Deflection noted.

Are you planning to whine 'deflection' about everything from now on?

I'll be happy to discuss your claim after I've verified its truth.

>
> When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).
>

So why not give the link? Why not even at least say what you were
talking about? Just so you could whine "deflection" later?

>>> BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."
>>>
>> Yes, I do know how his name's spelled; but I suspect I'll keep spelling
>> it "Spencer", as well as spelling his first name as "Herbert".
>
> I suppose this is intended to be a witty comment, but I fail to understand both the relevance and the intended humor.
>

(1) No, it was intended to be a statement of fact, which I've mentioned
previously.
(2) Great; I've started compiling a list of authors you haven't read,
and that's another:

Ayn Rand
J.K. Rawling
Herbert Spencer

> FYI, punctuation belongs inside the quotation marks.
>
> https://style.mla.org/punctuation-and-quotation-marks/
>

FYI, that's only in American English.

>> Fortunately, there's only one more month of the Shepheardes Calender to go.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 11:46:27 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-06 4:26 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
> >>>> The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
> >>>> (from November)
> >>>> [...]
> >>>> Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
> >>>> That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
> >>>> The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
> >>>> The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
> >>>> [...]
> >>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html
> >>>
> >>> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
> >> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my part
> >> in creating it --
> >
> > Guidelines, George.
> >
> > You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
> >
> Of course I haven't; just to 4 magazines.
>
> Why couldn't you write "Guidelines"?
Why couldn't you write "and" instead of "&" in your poem? George Dance, you are all about abbreviations and acronyms.

> >> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
> >> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
> >
> > Deflection noted.
> Are you planning to whine 'deflection' about everything from now on?
>
> I'll be happy to discuss your claim after I've verified its truth.
> >
> > When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).
> >
> So why not give the link? Why not even at least say what you were
> talking about? Just so you could whine "deflection" later?
> >>> BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."
> >>>
> >> Yes, I do know how his name's spelled; but I suspect I'll keep spelling
> >> it "Spencer", as well as spelling his first name as "Herbert".
> >
> > I suppose this is intended to be a witty comment, but I fail to understand both the relevance and the intended humor.
> >
> (1) No, it was intended to be a statement of fact, which I've mentioned
> previously.
> (2) Great; I've started compiling a list of authors you haven't read,
> and that's another:
>
> Ayn Rand
> J.K. Rawling
> Herbert Spencer

We know that there is a Herbert Spencer but he wasn't a poet so could not be confused with Edmund Spenser. What is funny about "Ayn Rand," whose writings Michael has read? There isn't a J.K. "Rawling" that we can discover. Are you thinking about Marjorie Rawlings? Michael has most assuredly read J.K. Rowling, so we don't get your joke.

> > FYI, punctuation belongs inside the quotation marks.
> >
> > https://style.mla.org/punctuation-and-quotation-marks/
> >
> FYI, that's only in American English.

No, that's in Canadian English also. "Look it up."

> >> Fortunately, there's only one more month of the Shepheardes Calender to go.

On 2022-11-06 7:10 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 11:46:27 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-06 4:26 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
>>>>>> The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
>>>>>> (from November)
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
>>>>>> That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
>>>>>> The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
>>>>>> The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
>>>> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my part
>>>> in creating it --
>>>
>>> Guidelines, George.
>>>
>>> You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
>>>
>> Of course I haven't; just to 4 magazines.
>>
>> Why couldn't you write "Guidelines"?
> Why couldn't you write "and" instead of "&" in your poem? George Dance, you are all about abbreviations and acronyms.
>
>>>> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
>>>> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
>>>
>>> Deflection noted.
>> Are you planning to whine 'deflection' about everything from now on?
>>
>> I'll be happy to discuss your claim after I've verified its truth.
>>>
>>> When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).
>>>
>> So why not give the link? Why not even at least say what you were
>> talking about? Just so you could whine "deflection" later?
>>>>> BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, I do know how his name's spelled; but I suspect I'll keep spelling
>>>> it "Spencer", as well as spelling his first name as "Herbert".
>>>
>>> I suppose this is intended to be a witty comment, but I fail to understand both the relevance and the intended humor.
>>>
>> (1) No, it was intended to be a statement of fact, which I've mentioned
>> previously.
>> (2) Great; I've started compiling a list of authors you haven't read,
>> and that's another:
>>
>> Ayn Rand
>> J.K. Rawling
>> Herbert Spencer
>
> We know that there is a Herbert Spencer but he wasn't a poet so could not be confused with Edmund Spenser.

Maybe for you, as you've never read either. But Herbert Spencer is one
of my favorite authors.

> What is funny about "Ayn Rand," whose writings Michael has read?

Oh, has he?
(1) He didn't know who "John Galt" was. (He thought Galt was a
billionaire businessman, like many people who've just heard of the book.)
(2) He admitted he's never read anything about epistemology (which would
include Rand's "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology," obviously).

There isn't a J.K. "Rawling" that we can discover.

Good point; it's J.K. Rowling. Thanks for helping me get my list correct.

Are you thinking about Marjorie Rawlings?

> Michael has most assuredly read J.K. Rowling > , so we don't get your joke.
>

No joke. He hasn't read the Harry Potter series. Remember, he had no
idea who "Crabbe and Goyle" were (though I know you'd rather forget).

>>> FYI, punctuation belongs inside the quotation marks.
>>>
>>> https://style.mla.org/punctuation-and-quotation-marks/
>>>
>> FYI, that's only in American English.
>
> No, that's in Canadian English also. "Look it up."

No, there's no such thing as 'Canadian English.' Canadians use both
British and American spellings and punctuation. I don't have to look
that up; unlike you, I live here, and I know how Canadians write (which
you don't).

>
>>>> Fortunately, there's only one more month of the Shepheardes Calender to go.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 6:46:27 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-06 4:26 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
> >>>> The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
> >>>> (from November)
> >>>> [...]
> >>>> Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
> >>>> That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
> >>>> The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
> >>>> The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
> >>>> [...]
> >>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html
> >>>
> >>> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
> >> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my part
> >> in creating it --
> >
> > Guidelines, George.
> >
> > You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
> >
> Of course I haven't; just to 4 magazines.
>
> Why couldn't you write "Guidelines"?

They're commonly referred to, in the publishing world, as "GLs."

As a small press/independent publisher, I assumed you'd be familiar with it..

> >> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
> >> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
> >
> > Deflection noted.
> Are you planning to whine 'deflection' about everything from now on?

I'm hoping to get you to address the actual issues.

> I'll be happy to discuss your claim after I've verified its truth.

What's to verify? Don't you remember our putting together a set of FAQs and GLs as a group project?

> > When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).
> >
> So why not give the link? Why not even at least say what you were
> talking about? Just so you could whine "deflection" later?

The project was begun in 2017 and brought to its final form over the course of the next four years. As such, the various contributors and changes take place in dozens of similarly titled threads.

I believe that this is the initial post, and you can clearly be seen as a participant:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en

> >>> BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."
> >>>
> >> Yes, I do know how his name's spelled; but I suspect I'll keep spelling
> >> it "Spencer", as well as spelling his first name as "Herbert".
> >
> > I suppose this is intended to be a witty comment, but I fail to understand both the relevance and the intended humor.
> >
> (1) No, it was intended to be a statement of fact, which I've mentioned
> previously.
> (2) Great; I've started compiling a list of authors you haven't read,
> and that's another:

I haven't read Spencer. But since Spencer did not write the poem in question, I don't see how it matters.

> Ayn Rand
> J.K. Rawling
> Herbert Spencer

I've read all of Ayn Rand's books, George, including her philosophical ones like "The Value of Selfishness" and "The Romantic Manifesto" (the latter of which took my enthusiasm for her down a few pegs).

I have not read J.K. Rawling, nor have I seen any of the "Harry Potter" films.

As to Spencer, I am unaware of his having written any poetry. I know him only as a student of Darwin, and as the many responsible for having coined the phrase "survival of the fittest." Again, I fail to see how this relates in any way to your misspelling of Spenser (aside from being homophones). It doesn't work as wit or as a relevant "statement of fact."

> > FYI, punctuation belongs inside the quotation marks.
> >
> > https://style.mla.org/punctuation-and-quotation-marks/
> >
> FYI, that's only in American English.

Correct. And it's high time that you learned it.

> >> Fortunately, there's only one more month of the Shepheardes Calender to go.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:24:46 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-06 7:10 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 11:46:27 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-06 4:26 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
> >>>>>> The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
> >>>>>> (from November)
> >>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>> Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
> >>>>>> That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
> >>>>>> The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
> >>>>>> The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
> >>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
> >>>> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my part
> >>>> in creating it --
> >>>
> >>> Guidelines, George.
> >>>
> >>> You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
> >>>
> >> Of course I haven't; just to 4 magazines.
> >>
> >> Why couldn't you write "Guidelines"?
> > Why couldn't you write "and" instead of "&" in your poem? George Dance, you are all about abbreviations and acronyms.
> >
> >>>> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
> >>>> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
> >>>
> >>> Deflection noted.
> >> Are you planning to whine 'deflection' about everything from now on?
> >>
> >> I'll be happy to discuss your claim after I've verified its truth.
> >>>
> >>> When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).
> >>>
> >> So why not give the link? Why not even at least say what you were
> >> talking about? Just so you could whine "deflection" later?
> >>>>> BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."
> >>>>>
> >>>> Yes, I do know how his name's spelled; but I suspect I'll keep spelling
> >>>> it "Spencer", as well as spelling his first name as "Herbert".
> >>>
> >>> I suppose this is intended to be a witty comment, but I fail to understand both the relevance and the intended humor.
> >>>
> >> (1) No, it was intended to be a statement of fact, which I've mentioned
> >> previously.
> >> (2) Great; I've started compiling a list of authors you haven't read,
> >> and that's another:
> >>
> >> Ayn Rand
> >> J.K. Rawling
> >> Herbert Spencer
> >
> > We know that there is a Herbert Spencer but he wasn't a poet so could not be confused with Edmund Spenser.
> Maybe for you, as you've never read either. But Herbert Spencer is one
> of my favorite authors.

Is he one of the obscure poets you've "rescued" via your blog?

As previously noted, I know him only as the man who coined "survival of the fittest."

> > What is funny about "Ayn Rand," whose writings Michael has read?
> Oh, has he?
> (1) He didn't know who "John Galt" was. (He thought Galt was a
> billionaire businessman, like many people who've just heard of the book.)

WTF are you talking about, George? I don't recall the conversation, but I probably said that Galt, the inventor of some perpetual motion machine who, having been denied the funds to get it built, proceeded to bring the various billionaires/corporations to a halt. Atlas shrugged, causing the world to stop turning.

Your memory of our discussion appears to be as untrustworthy as your claim that Corey's poem called you a "Jew-fucker."

> (2) He admitted he's never read anything about epistemology (which would
> include Rand's "Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology," obviously).

I've read "Night of January 16," "We the Living," "Anthem," "The Fountainhead," "Atlas Shrugged," "The Romantic Manifesto," and "The Virtue of Selfishness." This may not be her complete works, but it's certainly a high percentage of them -- and includes all of her major ones.

> There isn't a J.K. "Rawling" that we can discover.
> Good point; it's J.K. Rowling. Thanks for helping me get my list correct.
> Are you thinking about Marjorie Rawlings?
> > Michael has most assuredly read J.K. Rowling > , so we don't get your joke.
> >
>
> No joke. He hasn't read the Harry Potter series. Remember, he had no
> idea who "Crabbe and Goyle" were (though I know you'd rather forget).

That's true. I've never read, or watched, any of the "Harry Potter" stories.

> >>> FYI, punctuation belongs inside the quotation marks.
> >>>
> >>> https://style.mla.org/punctuation-and-quotation-marks/
> >>>
> >> FYI, that's only in American English.
> >
> > No, that's in Canadian English also. "Look it up."
> No, there's no such thing as 'Canadian English.' Canadians use both
> British and American spellings and punctuation. I don't have to look
> that up; unlike you, I live here, and I know how Canadians write (which
> you don't).
> >

Grouchiness aside, I see that you've used your punctuation correctly in the above.

On 2022-11-06 4:26 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
>>>> The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
>>>> (from November)
>>>> [...]
>>>> Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
>>>> That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
>>>> The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
>>>> The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
>>>> [...]
>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html
>>>
>>> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
>> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my part
>> in creating it --
>
> Guidelines, George.
>

Now that you've explained what you meant, I was able to search around
today, and found those "AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs" posts you
were making last year. Is that what you're talking about?
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8/m/TeNcc41tAQAJ?hl=en

> You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
>
>> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
>> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
>
> Deflection noted.
>

Well, perhaps now we can discuss it. Is that thread I linked the "GLS"
you were talking about?

> When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).
>

I don't believe any of that. Do you have any other links I missed?

>>> BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."
>>>
>> Yes, I do know how his name's spelled; but I suspect I'll keep spelling
>> it "Spencer", as well as spelling his first name as "Herbert".
>
> I suppose this is intended to be a witty comment, but I fail to understand both the relevance and the intended humor.
>
> FYI, punctuation belongs inside the quotation marks.
>
> https://style.mla.org/punctuation-and-quotation-marks/
>
>> Fortunately, there's only one more month of the Shepheardes Calender to go.

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:01:14 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-06 4:26 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
> >>>> The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
> >>>> (from November)
> >>>> [...]
> >>>> Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
> >>>> That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
> >>>> The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
> >>>> The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
> >>>> [...]
> >>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html
> >>>
> >>> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
> >> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my part
> >> in creating it --
> >
> > Guidelines, George.
> >
> Now that you've explained what you meant, I was able to search around
> today, and found those "AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs" posts you
> were making last year. Is that what you're talking about?
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8/m/TeNcc41tAQAJ?hl=en
> > You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
> >
> >> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
> >> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
> >
> > Deflection noted.
> >
> Well, perhaps now we can discuss it. Is that thread I linked the "GLS"
> you were talking about?

Not really. I posted a link to the 2017 thread where the GLs were first discussed, and in which you participated.

> > When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).
> >
> I don't believe any of that. Do you have any other links I missed?

Scroll up one post.

You appear to have missed the post I made directly above this.

In it, I provided a detailed explanation, as well as the following link:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en

> >>> BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."
> >>>
> >> Yes, I do know how his name's spelled; but I suspect I'll keep spelling
> >> it "Spencer", as well as spelling his first name as "Herbert".
> >
> > I suppose this is intended to be a witty comment, but I fail to understand both the relevance and the intended humor.
> >
> > FYI, punctuation belongs inside the quotation marks.
> >
> > https://style.mla.org/punctuation-and-quotation-marks/
> >
> >> Fortunately, there's only one more month of the Shepheardes Calender to go.

On 2022-11-07 11:22 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:01:14 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-06 4:26 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
>>>>>> The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
>>>>>> (from November)
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
>>>>>> That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
>>>>>> The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
>>>>>> The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
>>>> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my part
>>>> in creating it --
>>>
>>> Guidelines, George.
>>>
>> Now that you've explained what you meant, I was able to search around
>> today, and found those "AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs" posts you
>> were making last year. Is that what you're talking about?
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8/m/TeNcc41tAQAJ?hl=en
>>> You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
>>>
>>>> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
>>>> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
>>>
>>> Deflection noted.
>>>
>> Well, perhaps now we can discuss it. Is that thread I linked the "GLS"
>> you were talking about?
>
> Not really. I posted a link to the 2017 thread where the GLs were first discussed, and in which you participated.
>
>>> When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).
>>>
>> I don't believe any of that. Do you have any other links I missed?
>
> Scroll up one post.
>
> You appear to have missed the post I made directly above this.
>
> In it, I provided a detailed explanation, as well as the following link:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en
>

OK; since you say you gave a detailed explanation, I'll go look at it
there.

On 2022-11-06 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 6:46:27 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-06 4:26 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
>>>> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my part
>>>> in creating it --
>>>
>>> Guidelines, George.
>>>
>>> You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
>>>
>> Of course I haven't; just to 4 magazines.
>>
>> Why couldn't you write "Guidelines"?
>
> They're commonly referred to, in the publishing world, as "GLs."
>
> As a small press/independent publisher, I assumed you'd be familiar with it.
>

As I said in my previous post: after you
<quote>
> explained what you meant, I was able to search around
> today, and found those "AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs" posts you
> were making last year. Is that what you're talking about?
>
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8/m/TeNcc41tAQAJ?hl=en
</q>

Once again: Are those the "Guidelines" you're talking about?

>>>> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
>>>> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
>>>
>>> Deflection noted.
>> Are you planning to whine 'deflection' about everything from now on?
>
> I'm hoping to get you to address the actual issues.
>
>> I'll be happy to discuss your claim after I've verified its truth.
>
> What's to verify? Don't you remember our putting together a set of FAQs and GLs as a group project?
>

I recall a discussion about writing a new FAQ, which didn't come to
much; it began with an attempt to define "poetry," and ended with a
flame war between you and PJ Ross. Nothing about any "Guidelines."

>>> When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).

>> So why not give the link? Why not even at least say what you were
>> talking about? Just so you could whine "deflection" later?

You've since given a link:
>
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en

As I told you, I didn't remember any "Guidelines" being discussed , much
less drafted, in that discussion -- and in a quick scan of the thread I
didn't find any.

> The project was begun in 2017 and brought to its final form over the course of the next four years. As such, the various contributors and changes take place in dozens of similarly titled threads.

Really? Did you find any in I participated and in which "Guidelines"
were discussed?

> I believe that this is the initial post, and you can clearly be seen as a participant:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en
>

Tell you what: I'll give it another read and see if I participated in
any discussion of any "Guidelines".

>>>>> BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."

<typolaming snipped>

On 2022-11-08 12:02 a.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> On 2022-11-06 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 6:46:27 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
>> wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-06 4:26 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd
>>>>>> helped to create.
>>>>> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my
>>>>> part
>>>>> in creating it --
>>>>
>>>> Guidelines, George.
>>>>
>>>> You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're
>>>> unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
>>>>
>>> Of course I haven't; just to 4 magazines.
>>>
>>> Why couldn't you write "Guidelines"?
>>
>> They're commonly referred to, in the publishing world, as "GLs."
>>
>> As a small press/independent publisher, I assumed you'd be familiar
>> with it.
>>
>
> As I said in my previous post: after you
> <quote>
> > explained what you meant, I was able to search around
> > today, and found those "AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs" posts you
> > were making last year. Is that what you're talking about?
> >
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8/m/TeNcc41tAQAJ?hl=en
> </q>
>
> Once again: Are those the "Guidelines" you're talking about?
>
>>>>> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
>>>>> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
>>>>
>>>> Deflection noted.
>>> Are you planning to whine 'deflection' about everything from now on?
>>
>> I'm hoping to get you to address the actual issues.
>>
>>> I'll be happy to discuss your claim after I've verified its truth.
>>
>> What's to verify?  Don't you remember our putting together a set of
>> FAQs and GLs as a group project?
>>
>
> I recall a discussion about writing a new FAQ, which didn't come to
> much; it began with an attempt to define "poetry," and ended with a
> flame war between you and PJ Ross. Nothing about any "Guidelines."
>
>
>>>> When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were
>>>> one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).
>
> >> So why not give the link? Why not even at least say what you were
> >> talking about? Just so you could whine "deflection" later?
>
> You've since given a link:
> >
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en
>
> As I told you, I didn't remember any "Guidelines" being discussed , much
> less drafted, in that discussion -- and in a quick scan of the thread I
> didn't find any.
>
>> The project was begun in 2017 and brought to its final form over the
>> course of the next four years.  As such, the various contributors and
>> changes take place in dozens of similarly titled threads.
>
> Really? Did you find any in I participated and in which "Guidelines"
> were discussed?
>
>> I believe that this is the initial post, and you can clearly be seen
>> as a participant:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en
>>
>
> Tell you what: I'll give it another read and see if I participated in
> any discussion of any "Guidelines".
>

OK, I've read it through again. Still no discussion of "Guidelines";
just an attempt to update the FAQ. And no suggestion that we were
writing something that anyone had to "comply" with:
"A FAQ is just a way to pre-answer questions; it is not what some people
tried to use the old FAQ for, as 'rules' to tell anyone how to behave."

So that thread was a dud. I'll do another look tonight for one that
isn't, but I don't plan to wade through "dozens" more threads.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-11-06 4:26 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:17:26 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
>>>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
>>>>> The Death of Queen Dido, by Edmund Spenser
>>>>> (from November)
>>>>> [...]
>>>>> Ay me! that dreerie Death should strike so mortall stroke,
>>>>> That can undoe Dame Natures kindly course:
>>>>> The faded lockes fall from the loftie oke,
>>>>> The flouds do gaspe, for dryed is theyr sourse
>>>>> [...]
>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/11/november-edmund-spenser-2.html
>>>>
>>>> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
>>> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my part
>>> in creating it --
>>
>> Guidelines, George.
>>
>> You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
>>

> Of course I haven't; just to 4 magazines.

> Why couldn't you write "Guidelines"?

>>> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
>>> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
>>
>> Deflection noted.

> Are you planning to whine 'deflection' about everything from now on?

> I'll be happy to discuss your claim after I've verified its truth.

>>
>> When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).
>>

> So why not give the link? Why not even at least say what you were
> talking about? Just so you could whine "deflection" later?

>>>> BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."
>>>>
>>> Yes, I do know how his name's spelled; but I suspect I'll keep spelling
>>> it "Spencer", as well as spelling his first name as "Herbert".
>>
>> I suppose this is intended to be a witty comment, but I fail to understand both the relevance and the intended humor.
>>

> (1) No, it was intended to be a statement of fact, which I've mentioned
> previously.
> (2) Great; I've started compiling a list of authors you haven't read,
> and that's another:

> Ayn Rand
> J.K. Rawling
> Herbert Spencer

Jack Kerouac, Harlan Ellison and Bob Dylan, to add three more.

>> FYI, punctuation belongs inside the quotation marks.
>>
>> https://style.mla.org/punctuation-and-quotation-marks/
>>

> FYI, that's only in American English.

>>> Fortunately, there's only one more month of the Shepheardes Calender to go.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 12:02:18 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-06 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 6:46:27 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-06 4:26 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd helped to create.
> >>>> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my part
> >>>> in creating it --
> >>>
> >>> Guidelines, George.
> >>>
> >>> You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
> >>>
> >> Of course I haven't; just to 4 magazines.
> >>
> >> Why couldn't you write "Guidelines"?
> >
> > They're commonly referred to, in the publishing world, as "GLs."
> >
> > As a small press/independent publisher, I assumed you'd be familiar with it.
> >
> As I said in my previous post: after you
> <quote>
> > explained what you meant, I was able to search around
> > today, and found those "AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs" posts you
> > were making last year. Is that what you're talking about?
> >
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8/m/TeNcc41tAQAJ?hl=en
> </q>
>
> Once again: Are those the "Guidelines" you're talking about?
> >>>> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
> >>>> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
> >>>
> >>> Deflection noted.
> >> Are you planning to whine 'deflection' about everything from now on?
> >
> > I'm hoping to get you to address the actual issues.
> >
> >> I'll be happy to discuss your claim after I've verified its truth.
> >
> > What's to verify? Don't you remember our putting together a set of FAQs and GLs as a group project?
> >
> I recall a discussion about writing a new FAQ, which didn't come to
> much; it began with an attempt to define "poetry," and ended with a
> flame war between you and PJ Ross. Nothing about any "Guidelines."
> >>> When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).
>
> >> So why not give the link? Why not even at least say what you were
> >> talking about? Just so you could whine "deflection" later?
> You've since given a link:
> >
> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en
>
> As I told you, I didn't remember any "Guidelines" being discussed , much
> less drafted, in that discussion -- and in a quick scan of the thread I
> didn't find any.

And as I've told you, the link brings you to the initial discussion. This discussion continued, off and on, over the course of the next four years, and in many different threads.

The final GLs are the culmination of those discussions.

> > The project was begun in 2017 and brought to its final form over the course of the next four years. As such, the various contributors and changes take place in dozens of similarly titled threads.
> Really? Did you find any in I participated and in which "Guidelines"
> were discussed?

I have already shown that you participated in the initial discussion. I have no desire to scroll through dozens of follow-up discussions to see whether you made any specific contributions to the GLs in their current form.

The thread I've linked shows, in no uncertain terms, that you were aware of the project. If you had any objections to the GLs, you had ample opportunity for voicing them.

> > I believe that this is the initial post, and you can clearly be seen as a participant:
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en
> >
> Tell you what: I'll give it another read and see if I participated in
> any discussion of any "Guidelines".
> >>>>> BTW: you've misspelled "Spenser."
> <typolaming snipped>

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 12:41:34 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-08 12:02 a.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> > On 2022-11-06 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 6:46:27 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> >> wrote:
> >>> On 2022-11-06 4:26 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd
> >>>>>> helped to create.
> >>>>> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my
> >>>>> part
> >>>>> in creating it --
> >>>>
> >>>> Guidelines, George.
> >>>>
> >>>> You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're
> >>>> unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
> >>>>
> >>> Of course I haven't; just to 4 magazines.
> >>>
> >>> Why couldn't you write "Guidelines"?
> >>
> >> They're commonly referred to, in the publishing world, as "GLs."
> >>
> >> As a small press/independent publisher, I assumed you'd be familiar
> >> with it.
> >>
> >
> > As I said in my previous post: after you
> > <quote>
> > > explained what you meant, I was able to search around
> > > today, and found those "AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs" posts you
> > > were making last year. Is that what you're talking about?
> > >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8/m/TeNcc41tAQAJ?hl=en
> > </q>
> >
> > Once again: Are those the "Guidelines" you're talking about?
> >
> >>>>> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
> >>>>> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Deflection noted.
> >>> Are you planning to whine 'deflection' about everything from now on?
> >>
> >> I'm hoping to get you to address the actual issues.
> >>
> >>> I'll be happy to discuss your claim after I've verified its truth.
> >>
> >> What's to verify? Don't you remember our putting together a set of
> >> FAQs and GLs as a group project?
> >>
> >
> > I recall a discussion about writing a new FAQ, which didn't come to
> > much; it began with an attempt to define "poetry," and ended with a
> > flame war between you and PJ Ross. Nothing about any "Guidelines."
> >
> >
> >>>> When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were
> >>>> one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).
> >
> > >> So why not give the link? Why not even at least say what you were
> > >> talking about? Just so you could whine "deflection" later?
> >
> > You've since given a link:
> > >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en
> >
> > As I told you, I didn't remember any "Guidelines" being discussed , much
> > less drafted, in that discussion -- and in a quick scan of the thread I
> > didn't find any.
> >
> >> The project was begun in 2017 and brought to its final form over the
> >> course of the next four years. As such, the various contributors and
> >> changes take place in dozens of similarly titled threads.
> >
> > Really? Did you find any in I participated and in which "Guidelines"
> > were discussed?
> >
> >> I believe that this is the initial post, and you can clearly be seen
> >> as a participant:
> >>
> >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en
> >>
> >
> > Tell you what: I'll give it another read and see if I participated in
> > any discussion of any "Guidelines".
> >
> OK, I've read it through again. Still no discussion of "Guidelines";
> just an attempt to update the FAQ. And no suggestion that we were
> writing something that anyone had to "comply" with:
> "A FAQ is just a way to pre-answer questions; it is not what some people
> tried to use the old FAQ for, as 'rules' to tell anyone how to behave."
>
>
> So that thread was a dud. I'll do another look tonight for one that
> isn't, but I don't plan to wade through "dozens" more threads.

That thread shows that you were aware of the project from its onset. I recall you're having been an active participant, but that may just be wishful thinking on my part.

At this late stage in the game, what you actually chose to do with that awareness is no longer my concern.

Here again is a link to our current FAQs and GLs:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8/m/TeNcc41tAQAJ?hl=en

Any further revisions will require the support of the majority of AAPC members.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 12:41:34 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-08 12:02 a.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> > On 2022-11-06 8:44 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 6:46:27 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> >> wrote:
> >>> On 2022-11-06 4:26 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:09:11 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> On 2022-11-05 9:30 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I thought that you were going to comply with the GLs that you'd
> >>>>>> helped to create.
> >>>>> At this moment, I don't even remember what a "GLs" is, much less my
> >>>>> part
> >>>>> in creating it --
> >>>>
> >>>> Guidelines, George.
> >>>>
> >>>> You must not have submitted much poetry to magazines if you're
> >>>> unfamiliar with the abbreviation.
> >>>>
> >>> Of course I haven't; just to 4 magazines.
> >>>
> >>> Why couldn't you write "Guidelines"?
> >>
> >> They're commonly referred to, in the publishing world, as "GLs."
> >>
> >> As a small press/independent publisher, I assumed you'd be familiar
> >> with it.
> >>
> >
> > As I said in my previous post: after you
> > <quote>
> > > explained what you meant, I was able to search around
> > > today, and found those "AAPC - OFFICIAL GUIDELINES & FAQs" posts you
> > > were making last year. Is that what you're talking about?
> > >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/RbvzM9vnJf8/m/TeNcc41tAQAJ?hl=en
> > </q>
> >
> > Once again: Are those the "Guidelines" you're talking about?
> >
> >>>>> and I'll have no time to search around for it until at
> >>>>> least tomorrow. So there's no point in discussing that further here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Deflection noted.
> >>> Are you planning to whine 'deflection' about everything from now on?
> >>
> >> I'm hoping to get you to address the actual issues.
> >>
> >>> I'll be happy to discuss your claim after I've verified its truth.
> >>
> >> What's to verify? Don't you remember our putting together a set of
> >> FAQs and GLs as a group project?
> >>
> >
> > I recall a discussion about writing a new FAQ, which didn't come to
> > much; it began with an attempt to define "poetry," and ended with a
> > flame war between you and PJ Ross. Nothing about any "Guidelines."
> >
> >
> >>>> When we drafted the Guidelines (GLs) approx. 5 years ago, you were
> >>>> one of the participants (and, yes, it's archived).
> >
> > >> So why not give the link? Why not even at least say what you were
> > >> talking about? Just so you could whine "deflection" later?
> >
> > You've since given a link:
> > >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en
> >
> > As I told you, I didn't remember any "Guidelines" being discussed , much
> > less drafted, in that discussion -- and in a quick scan of the thread I
> > didn't find any.
> >
> >> The project was begun in 2017 and brought to its final form over the
> >> course of the next four years. As such, the various contributors and
> >> changes take place in dozens of similarly titled threads.
> >
> > Really? Did you find any in I participated and in which "Guidelines"
> > were discussed?
> >
> >> I believe that this is the initial post, and you can clearly be seen
> >> as a participant:
> >>
> >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/bazlxZjkvdo/m/EHSpG55UBQAJ?hl=en
> >>
> >
> > Tell you what: I'll give it another read and see if I participated in
> > any discussion of any "Guidelines".
> >
> OK, I've read it through again. Still no discussion of "Guidelines";

Which as we know, is completely bogus.

> just an attempt to update the FAQ. And no suggestion that we were
> writing something that anyone had to "comply" with:
> "A FAQ is just a way to pre-answer questions; it is not what some people
> tried to use the old FAQ for, as 'rules' to tell anyone how to behave."
>
>
> So that thread was a dud. I'll do another look tonight for one that
> isn't, but I don't plan to wade through "dozens" more threads.

Well put, George.