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 by: moviePig - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 22:31 UTC

On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
> Creep.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48

After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?

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 by: Ubiquitous - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 22:50 UTC

pwallace@moviepig.com shitposted:
> On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:

>> Creep.
>
> After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?

How long has Resident Joke Biden been in office with control of both
Houses of Congress?

How long was Joke Biden VP?

Funny how they never seem to do anything until there's a crisis, eh?

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 by: BTR1701 - Mon, 27 Mar 2023 23:42 UTC

moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
>> Creep.
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48
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> After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?

Is this the one committed by the trans-testicle?

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 by: Ubiquitous - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:13 UTC

no_email@invalid.invalid wrote:

> Is this the one committed by the trans-testicle?

One who couldn't wait for the "Trans Day of Vengance", I guess.

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 by: moviePig - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 02:22 UTC

On 3/27/2023 7:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>> On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
>>> Creep.
>>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48
>>
>> After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?
>
> Is this the one committed by the trans-testicle?

The armed trans-testicle? I assume so.

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 03:11 UTC

BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:

>>>Creep.

>>>https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48

>>After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?

>Is this the one committed by the trans-testicle?

That was weird. Much of the day, the news reports of the shooter were as
vague as possible. "Person" Was it a student? Then we got "28 year old
woman", and later, "former student". We didn't even get the woman's name
till much later.

Then the police issue a press release CORRECTING pronouns. What the
fuck? And I just found "assigned female at birth", and police found on
social media "he/him" pronouns, so maybe a female-to-male transgender.

Ohmygawd; the cops are being PC.

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 by: The Horny Goat - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 04:23 UTC

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 18:31:25 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
wrote:

>On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
>> Creep.
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48
>
>After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?
>
Oh jeez not another...

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 by: shawn - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 04:51 UTC

On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 21:23:19 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 18:31:25 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
>>> Creep.
>>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48
>>
>>After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?
>>
>Oh jeez not another...

They keep happening at what seems to be a rate of at least one a week
now. I'm not sure what we can (and are willing to) do about it.

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:02 UTC

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 21:23:19 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 18:31:25 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
>>>> Creep.
>>>>
>>>>
>https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48
>>>
>>>After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?
>>>
>>Oh jeez not another...
>
>They keep happening at what seems to be a rate of at least one a week
>now. I'm not sure what we can (and are willing to) do about it.

Stop talking about them as important national news stories. I'll bet the
crimes would drop if the shooters couldn't get the national notoriety
they so desperately crave.

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 by: shawn - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:12 UTC

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:02:50 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 21:23:19 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 18:31:25 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
>>>>> Creep.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48
>>>>
>>>>After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?
>>>>
>>>Oh jeez not another...
>>
>>They keep happening at what seems to be a rate of at least one a week
>>now. I'm not sure what we can (and are willing to) do about it.
>
>Stop talking about them as important national news stories. I'll bet the
>crimes would drop if the shooters couldn't get the national notoriety
>they so desperately crave.

I've seen a few sites that get a lot of viewers/readers start to do
that. While they will still report on the shootings they won't mention
the name of the shooter or show their picture so those wanting fame
won't get it. That said I'm not sure how many are doing this for the
notoriety as it doesn't appear all of them care about anyone knowing
who they are.

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nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:
> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

>> Oh jeez not another...
>
> They keep happening at what seems to be a rate of at least one a
> week now. I'm not sure what we can (and are willing to) do about it.

No they're not. It just seems like it they happen every week.

--
Let's go Brandon!

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 by: Adam H. Kerman - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:13 UTC

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:02:50 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>>>>. . .

>>>They keep happening at what seems to be a rate of at least one a week
>>>now. I'm not sure what we can (and are willing to) do about it.

>>Stop talking about them as important national news stories. I'll bet the
>>crimes would drop if the shooters couldn't get the national notoriety
>>they so desperately crave.

>I've seen a few sites that get a lot of viewers/readers start to do
>that. While they will still report on the shootings they won't mention
>the name of the shooter or show their picture so those wanting fame
>won't get it. That said I'm not sure how many are doing this for the
>notoriety as it doesn't appear all of them care about anyone knowing
>who they are.

Every single one of them has done it for national notoriety.

I didn't say what you wrote at all, shawn. I'm saying, Do not glamorize
the crime. Do not discuss it at all. While it's an important local news
story, it is shouldn't be national news.

Do not make the story of the crime important national news. Do not
mention the crime, do not mention the shooter's name nor grievances that
are all entirely irrelevant to the innocent victims that had nothing to
do with the grievances.

It's not enough to forget the shooter. Forget the entire crime. If it's
not national news, that removes a huge incentive to commit the crime in
the first place.

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 by: shawn - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:29 UTC

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:13:22 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:02:50 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>. . .
>
>>>>They keep happening at what seems to be a rate of at least one a week
>>>>now. I'm not sure what we can (and are willing to) do about it.
>
>>>Stop talking about them as important national news stories. I'll bet the
>>>crimes would drop if the shooters couldn't get the national notoriety
>>>they so desperately crave.
>
>>I've seen a few sites that get a lot of viewers/readers start to do
>>that. While they will still report on the shootings they won't mention
>>the name of the shooter or show their picture so those wanting fame
>>won't get it. That said I'm not sure how many are doing this for the
>>notoriety as it doesn't appear all of them care about anyone knowing
>>who they are.
>
>Every single one of them has done it for national notoriety.

That's just not true and you know it, or should.

>I didn't say what you wrote at all, shawn. I'm saying, Do not glamorize
>the crime. Do not discuss it at all. While it's an important local news
>story, it is shouldn't be national news.

I didn't say that you did. I pointed out a step to what you want is
happening. What you want is never going to happen so long as they make
more money off reporting bad news and creating fear among the viewers.
That isn't going to happen until we can change human nature or get
back to making the news about the news and not about making a profit
as that need to make money is what has lead to this constant need to
find some crime to report, but we can't go too far away from our
viewers homes/lives or they won't care about it and won't watch/click.

>Do not make the story of the crime important national news. Do not
>mention the crime, do not mention the shooter's name nor grievances that
>are all entirely irrelevant to the innocent victims that had nothing to
>do with the grievances.
>
>It's not enough to forget the shooter. Forget the entire crime. If it's
>not national news, that removes a huge incentive to commit the crime in
>the first place.

Good sentiment but I just don't see it happening.

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shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 14:13:22 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:02:50 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>>>>>>. . .

>>>>>They keep happening at what seems to be a rate of at least one a week
>>>>>now. I'm not sure what we can (and are willing to) do about it.

>>>>Stop talking about them as important national news stories. I'll bet the
>>>>crimes would drop if the shooters couldn't get the national notoriety
>>>>they so desperately crave.

>>>I've seen a few sites that get a lot of viewers/readers start to do
>>>that. While they will still report on the shootings they won't mention
>>>the name of the shooter or show their picture so those wanting fame
>>>won't get it. That said I'm not sure how many are doing this for the
>>>notoriety as it doesn't appear all of them care about anyone knowing
>>>who they are.

>>Every single one of them has done it for national notoriety.

>That's just not true and you know it, or should.

"I'm unhappy. I want everybody to know how unhappy I am. I resent the
people at School X/Worksite Y/Crowded Public Area Z. Therefore, to let
everybody know I'm unhappy, I shall murder people who have nothing
whatsoever to do with my unhappiness."

People irrelevant to the shooter's unhappiness are murdered because the
shooter is desperate for attention. It's true in every single instance.
There is simply no other reason to target innocents when the shooter has
this kind of motivation, to kill strangers because he is so very
unhappy.

It's curious that you disagree with me but failed to offer your own
argument.

>>I didn't say what you wrote at all, shawn. I'm saying, Do not glamorize
>>the crime. Do not discuss it at all. While it's an important local news
>>story, it is shouldn't be national news.

>I didn't say that you did. I pointed out a step to what you want is
>happening.

It's not an effective step in any way given that the crime will still be
notorious.

I'm pointing out that if the crime is still discussed as national news,
then it's not. Whether the perpetrator's name itself becomes notorious
isn't the main motivation. The crime itself is notorious, and it just
shouldn't be.

>What you want is never going to happen so long as they make
>more money off reporting bad news and creating fear among the viewers.

That's why I blame the media, in part, for encouraging these
crimes, if only indirectly.

>That isn't going to happen until we can change human nature or get
>back to making the news about the news and not about making a profit
>as that need to make money is what has lead to this constant need to
>find some crime to report, but we can't go too far away from our
>viewers homes/lives or they won't care about it and won't watch/click.

>>Do not make the story of the crime important national news. Do not
>>mention the crime, do not mention the shooter's name nor grievances that
>>are all entirely irrelevant to the innocent victims that had nothing to
>>do with the grievances.

>>It's not enough to forget the shooter. Forget the entire crime. If it's
>>not national news, that removes a huge incentive to commit the crime in
>>the first place.

>Good sentiment but I just don't see it happening.

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 by: Rhino - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 15:52 UTC

On 2023-03-28 10:13 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>> Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:02:50 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> . . .
>
>>>> They keep happening at what seems to be a rate of at least one a week
>>>> now. I'm not sure what we can (and are willing to) do about it.
>
>>> Stop talking about them as important national news stories. I'll bet the
>>> crimes would drop if the shooters couldn't get the national notoriety
>>> they so desperately crave.
>
>> I've seen a few sites that get a lot of viewers/readers start to do
>> that. While they will still report on the shootings they won't mention
>> the name of the shooter or show their picture so those wanting fame
>> won't get it. That said I'm not sure how many are doing this for the
>> notoriety as it doesn't appear all of them care about anyone knowing
>> who they are.
>
> Every single one of them has done it for national notoriety.
>
> I didn't say what you wrote at all, shawn. I'm saying, Do not glamorize
> the crime. Do not discuss it at all. While it's an important local news
> story, it is shouldn't be national news.
>
> Do not make the story of the crime important national news. Do not
> mention the crime, do not mention the shooter's name nor grievances that
> are all entirely irrelevant to the innocent victims that had nothing to
> do with the grievances.
>
> It's not enough to forget the shooter. Forget the entire crime. If it's
> not national news, that removes a huge incentive to commit the crime in
> the first place.

It would be interesting to try what you're saying for a fixed time -
say, a year - (and maybe a fixed geographic area like the 5 states with
the most mass shootings) to see if your theory actually pans out. If
school shootings decline dramatically, it would tend to prove that
you're right. But if it *doesn't* make a significant difference, then
there should be an effort to look at other approaches.

I'm all for trying new approaches to pretty much anything but we've also
got to set some benchmarks to see if the new approaches are working and
abandon them if they're not doing what was expected. After all, refusal
to publicize these events might make the shooters escalate their sprees
so that the media feel they HAVE to cover them, thereby gratifying the
shooter at the expense of even more victims.

For instance, a few years back, the provincial Liberals tried giving
people that were on social assistance a guaranteed annual income on the
theory that this would work better than welfare but they only tried it
in three communities for a limited time rather than just counting on it
working and then rolling it out across the whole province. (In case
you're wondering, the guaranteed annual income did NOT become a
province-wide thing after the experiment was over but I really don't
know if it was because Doug Ford simply abandoned it when he got into
office or whether it had failed to demonstrate the anticipated
effectiveness. But I still give the Liberals credit for trying something
new and doing it on a limited basis; way too many of these new ideas
have been implemented on a mass scale without any limited tests to see
if they work and then carry on for decade after decade, long after they
seem to be failing miserably.)
--
Rhino

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On Mar 27, 2023 at 8:11:30 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
>
>>>> Creep.
>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48
>
>>> After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?
>
>> Is this the one committed by the trans-testicle?
>
> That was weird. Much of the day, the news reports of the shooter were as
> vague as possible. "Person" Was it a student? Then we got "28 year old
> woman", and later, "former student". We didn't even get the woman's name
> till much later.

And since it was a woman pretending to be a guy, for the media to refer to her
as a woman means they're intentionally misgendering her-- something we've been
told by that very same media is a hate crime. They're also using her actual
female name, not the new male one she invented for herself-- something called
'deadnaming'-- which I've also been reliably informed by our precious,
precious cultural gatekeepers in the legacy media is a hate crime.

Is this some new corollary to the PC Rules of Trans-Testicalism that I have
heretofore not been aware? If you're a trans-testicle, you lose your rights to
your pronouns if you commit a heinous crime?

Maybe it's like voting that way. You have an absolute right to vote unless you
commit a crime, so maybe you have a right to be free from misgendering and
deadnaming until you do something that paints the trans-testicle community in
poor light, then it's open season on hate-criming you.

> Then the police issue a press release CORRECTING pronouns. What the
> fuck? And I just found "assigned female at birth", and police found on
> social media "he/him" pronouns, so maybe a female-to-male transgender.
>
> Ohmygawd; the cops are being PC.

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 by: shawn - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 18:07 UTC

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 11:52:44 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

>On 2023-03-28 10:13 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>> Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:02:50 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> . . .
>>
>>>>> They keep happening at what seems to be a rate of at least one a week
>>>>> now. I'm not sure what we can (and are willing to) do about it.
>>
>>>> Stop talking about them as important national news stories. I'll bet the
>>>> crimes would drop if the shooters couldn't get the national notoriety
>>>> they so desperately crave.
>>
>>> I've seen a few sites that get a lot of viewers/readers start to do
>>> that. While they will still report on the shootings they won't mention
>>> the name of the shooter or show their picture so those wanting fame
>>> won't get it. That said I'm not sure how many are doing this for the
>>> notoriety as it doesn't appear all of them care about anyone knowing
>>> who they are.
>>
>> Every single one of them has done it for national notoriety.
>>
>> I didn't say what you wrote at all, shawn. I'm saying, Do not glamorize
>> the crime. Do not discuss it at all. While it's an important local news
>> story, it is shouldn't be national news.
>>
>> Do not make the story of the crime important national news. Do not
>> mention the crime, do not mention the shooter's name nor grievances that
>> are all entirely irrelevant to the innocent victims that had nothing to
>> do with the grievances.
>>
>> It's not enough to forget the shooter. Forget the entire crime. If it's
>> not national news, that removes a huge incentive to commit the crime in
>> the first place.
>
>It would be interesting to try what you're saying for a fixed time -
>say, a year - (and maybe a fixed geographic area like the 5 states with
>the most mass shootings) to see if your theory actually pans out. If
>school shootings decline dramatically, it would tend to prove that
>you're right. But if it *doesn't* make a significant difference, then
>there should be an effort to look at other approaches.

It would be interesting to know how this is approached over seas as we
know these sorts of mass killings do happen there, if just not as
often. Are there places where they limit the coverage of such a
shooting?

>I'm all for trying new approaches to pretty much anything but we've also
>got to set some benchmarks to see if the new approaches are working and
>abandon them if they're not doing what was expected. After all, refusal
>to publicize these events might make the shooters escalate their sprees
>so that the media feel they HAVE to cover them, thereby gratifying the
>shooter at the expense of even more victims.
>

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 by: BTR1701 - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 18:38 UTC

On Mar 28, 2023 at 11:07:50 AM PDT, "shawn" <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 11:52:44 -0400, Rhino
> <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-03-28 10:13 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>> Tue, 28 Mar 2023 05:02:50 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> . . .
>>>
>>>>>> They keep happening at what seems to be a rate of at least one a week
>>>>>> now. I'm not sure what we can (and are willing to) do about it.
>>>
>>>>> Stop talking about them as important national news stories. I'll bet the
>>>>> crimes would drop if the shooters couldn't get the national notoriety
>>>>> they so desperately crave.
>>>
>>>> I've seen a few sites that get a lot of viewers/readers start to do
>>>> that. While they will still report on the shootings they won't mention
>>>> the name of the shooter or show their picture so those wanting fame
>>>> won't get it. That said I'm not sure how many are doing this for the
>>>> notoriety as it doesn't appear all of them care about anyone knowing
>>>> who they are.
>>>
>>> Every single one of them has done it for national notoriety.
>>>
>>> I didn't say what you wrote at all, shawn. I'm saying, Do not glamorize
>>> the crime. Do not discuss it at all. While it's an important local news
>>> story, it is shouldn't be national news.
>>>
>>> Do not make the story of the crime important national news. Do not
>>> mention the crime, do not mention the shooter's name nor grievances that
>>> are all entirely irrelevant to the innocent victims that had nothing to
>>> do with the grievances.
>>>
>>> It's not enough to forget the shooter. Forget the entire crime. If it's
>>> not national news, that removes a huge incentive to commit the crime in
>>> the first place.
>>
>> It would be interesting to try what you're saying for a fixed time -
>> say, a year - (and maybe a fixed geographic area like the 5 states with
>> the most mass shootings) to see if your theory actually pans out. If
>> school shootings decline dramatically, it would tend to prove that
>> you're right. But if it *doesn't* make a significant difference, then
>> there should be an effort to look at other approaches.
>
> It would be interesting to know how this is approached over seas as we
> know these sorts of mass killings do happen there, if just not as
> often. Are there places where they limit the coverage of such a
> shooting?

Well, we know that in New Zealand the government made it a crime to possess or
share a copy of the livestream video the mosque killer made of his crime. They
literally arrested people for having it on their computer, like it was child
porn or something, and they made noises about seeking international arrest and
extradition warrants for anyone else in the world who possessed or shared it.
That would have gone over like a whore farting in church here in the U.S., of
course. Our 1st Amendment absolutely protects possessing and sharing that
video and we have a law that says an American citizen can't be extradited to
face prosecution in another country for conduct in America that's
constitutionally protected.

But that shows you the attitude other 'Western democracies" have toward free
speech and the powers of government to impinge on it in the name of the
"public good", so I wouldn't really want to look to them as a model for how to
deal with speaking and reporting about these things.

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On Mar 27, 2023 at 7:22:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 3/27/2023 7:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
>>>> Creep.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48
>>>
>>> After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?
>>
>> Is this the one committed by the trans-testicle?
>
> The armed trans-testicle? I assume so.

What I find interesting is that gender dysphoria is officially classified as a
mental illness by the medical profession and it's illegal to possess a firearm
if you suffer from a mental illness so...

Shouldn't Biden direct the BATFE to rule that it’s per se illegal for all
trans-testicles to possess firearms due to their mental illness? Or are we
just overlooking this particular mental illness because of the politics
involved? And if so, doesn't that mean politics are more important to
Democrats than children's lives?

The ouroboros continues to eat its tail…

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 by: moviePig - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 19:06 UTC

On 3/28/2023 2:57 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Mar 27, 2023 at 7:22:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 3/27/2023 7:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>> On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
>>>>> Creep.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48
>>>>
>>>> After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?
>>>
>>> Is this the one committed by the trans-testicle?
>>
>> The armed trans-testicle? I assume so.
>
> What I find interesting is that gender dysphoria is officially classified as a
> mental illness by the medical profession and it's illegal to possess a firearm
> if you suffer from a mental illness so...
>
> Shouldn't Biden direct the BATFE to rule that it’s per se illegal for all
> trans-testicles to possess firearms due to their mental illness? Or are we
> just overlooking this particular mental illness because of the politics
> involved? And if so, doesn't that mean politics are more important to
> Democrats than children's lives?
>
> The ouroboros continues to eat its tail…

Yes, politics are more important to politicians than *anything*.

("Gender dysphoria" is probably undergoing lexical surgery as we speak.)

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On Mar 28, 2023 at 12:06:59 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 3/28/2023 2:57 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> On Mar 27, 2023 at 7:22:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/27/2023 7:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
>>>>>> Creep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48
>>>>>
>>>>> After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?
>>>>
>>>> Is this the one committed by the trans-testicle?
>>>
>>> The armed trans-testicle? I assume so.
>>
>> What I find interesting is that gender dysphoria is officially classified
>> as a
>> mental illness by the medical profession and it's illegal to possess a
>> firearm
>> if you suffer from a mental illness so...
>>
>> Shouldn't Biden direct the BATFE to rule that it’s per se illegal for all
>> trans-testicles to possess firearms due to their mental illness? Or are we
>> just overlooking this particular mental illness because of the politics
>> involved? And if so, doesn't that mean politics are more important to
>> Democrats than children's lives?
>>
>> The ouroboros continues to eat its tail…
>
> Yes, politics are more important to politicians than *anything*.
>
> ("Gender dysphoria" is probably undergoing lexical surgery as we speak.)

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 by: BTR1701 - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 20:13 UTC

On Mar 27, 2023 at 8:11:30 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
>
>>>> Creep.
>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48
>
>>> After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?
>
>> Is this the one committed by the trans-testicle?
>
> That was weird. Much of the day, the news reports of the shooter were as
> vague as possible. "Person" Was it a student? Then we got "28 year old
> woman", and later, "former student". We didn't even get the woman's name
> till much later.
>
> Then the police issue a press release CORRECTING pronouns. What the
> fuck? And I just found "assigned female at birth", and police found on
> social media "he/him" pronouns, so maybe a female-to-male transgender.
>
> Ohmygawd; the cops are being PC.

The great (and apparently clairvoyant) Norm MacDonald's tweet from 2016:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/w79j40ny42pcuzg/Norm.png?dl=0

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On Mar 27, 2023 at 3:31:25 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
>
>> Creep.
>>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48
>
> After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?

Let's not forget that two weeks ago Jane Fonda went on THE VIEW and told
activists to murder pro-lifers.

Now we have an activist who has murdered pro-lifers.

But it's the gun's fault.

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On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 4:14:08 PM UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Mar 27, 2023 at 8:11:30 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
> > BTR1701 <no_e...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> moviePig <pwal...@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>> On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
> >
> >>>> Creep.
> >
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48
> >
> >>> After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?
> >
> >> Is this the one committed by the trans-testicle?
> >
> > That was weird. Much of the day, the news reports of the shooter were as
> > vague as possible. "Person" Was it a student? Then we got "28 year old
> > woman", and later, "former student". We didn't even get the woman's name
> > till much later.
> >
> > Then the police issue a press release CORRECTING pronouns. What the
> > fuck? And I just found "assigned female at birth", and police found on
> > social media "he/him" pronouns, so maybe a female-to-male transgender.
> >
> > Ohmygawd; the cops are being PC.

> The great (and apparently clairvoyant) Norm MacDonald's tweet from 2016:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/w79j40ny42pcuzg/Norm.png?dl=0

Reduce the testosterone levels, just say no to viagra!

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 by: moviePig - Tue, 28 Mar 2023 20:50 UTC

On 3/28/2023 4:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Mar 28, 2023 at 12:06:59 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>> On 3/28/2023 2:57 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> On Mar 27, 2023 at 7:22:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/27/2023 7:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/27/2023 5:27 PM, RichA wrote:
>>>>>>> Creep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/h_073220e31456826d10848c44edc94a48
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After a tragedy, how soon can one begin trying to prevent another?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this the one committed by the trans-testicle?
>>>>
>>>> The armed trans-testicle? I assume so.
>>>
>>> What I find interesting is that gender dysphoria is officially classified
>>> as a
>>> mental illness by the medical profession and it's illegal to possess a
>>> firearm
>>> if you suffer from a mental illness so...
>>>
>>> Shouldn't Biden direct the BATFE to rule that it’s per se illegal for all
>>> trans-testicles to possess firearms due to their mental illness? Or are we
>>> just overlooking this particular mental illness because of the politics
>>> involved? And if so, doesn't that mean politics are more important to
>>> Democrats than children's lives?
>>>
>>> The ouroboros continues to eat its tail…
>>
>> Yes, politics are more important to politicians than *anything*.
>>
>> ("Gender dysphoria" is probably undergoing lexical surgery as we speak.)
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/n7vvtxrs2w0vkvb/HateCrimeDetector.png?dl=0

For the record, the acknowledged grandmaster (founder?) of this sort of
verbal massage is GOP strategist Frank Luntz.

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