Will Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...

> Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.

> Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".

I do not think Jack Kerouac reading "Joan Rawshanks in the Fog" is online, but I found this great one from 1958...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7AjN1a85h4

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hjPZpaXNsw

**************The Subterraneans' is a 1958 novella by Beat Generation author Jack Kerouac. It is a semi-fictional account of his short romance with Alene Lee (1931–1991), an African-American woman, in Greenwich Village, New York. Kerouac met Alene in the late summer of 1953 when she was typing up the manuscripts of William Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg, in Allen's Lower East Side apartment. In the novella, Kerouac moved the story to San Francisco and renamed Alene Lee "Mardou Fox". She is described as a carefree spirit who frequents the jazz clubs and bars of the budding Beat scene of San Francisco. Other well-known personalities and friends from the author's life also appear thinly disguised in the novel. The character Frank Carmody is based on William S. Burroughs, and Adam Moorad on Allen Ginsberg. Even Gore Vidal appears as successful novelist Arial Lavalina. Kerouac's alter ego is named Leo Percepied, and his long-time rival Neal Cassady is mentioned only in passing as Leroy.********************

On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 2:01:05 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
> > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>
> > Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
>
> > Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
> I do not think Jack Kerouac reading "Joan Rawshanks in the Fog" is online, but I found this great one from 1958...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7AjN1a85h4
>
> and
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hjPZpaXNsw
>
> **************The Subterraneans' is a 1958 novella by Beat Generation author Jack Kerouac. It is a semi-fictional account of his short romance with Alene Lee (1931–1991), an African-American woman, in Greenwich Village, New York. Kerouac met Alene in the late summer of 1953 when she was typing up the manuscripts of William Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg, in Allen's Lower East Side apartment. In the novella, Kerouac moved the story to San Francisco and renamed Alene Lee "Mardou Fox". She is described as a carefree spirit who frequents the jazz clubs and bars of the budding Beat scene of San Francisco. Other well-known personalities and friends from the author's life also appear thinly disguised in the novel. The character Frank Carmody is based on William S. Burroughs, and Adam Moorad on Allen Ginsberg. Even Gore Vidal appears as successful novelist Arial Lavalina. Kerouac's alter ego is named Leo Percepied, and his long-time rival Neal Cassady is mentioned only in passing as Leroy.********************

Excellent Kerouac recording, Zod.

On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 1:15:09 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 2:01:05 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> >
> > > Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
> >
> > > Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
> > I do not think Jack Kerouac reading "Joan Rawshanks in the Fog" is online, but I found this great one from 1958...
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7AjN1a85h4
> >
> > and
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hjPZpaXNsw
> >
> > **************The Subterraneans' is a 1958 novella by Beat Generation author Jack Kerouac. It is a semi-fictional account of his short romance with Alene Lee (1931–1991), an African-American woman, in Greenwich Village, New York. Kerouac met Alene in the late summer of 1953 when she was typing up the manuscripts of William Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg, in Allen's Lower East Side apartment. In the novella, Kerouac moved the story to San Francisco and renamed Alene Lee "Mardou Fox". She is described as a carefree spirit who frequents the jazz clubs and bars of the budding Beat scene of San Francisco. Other well-known personalities and friends from the author's life also appear thinly disguised in the novel. The character Frank Carmody is based on William S. Burroughs, and Adam Moorad on Allen Ginsberg. Even Gore Vidal appears as successful novelist Arial Lavalina. Kerouac's alter ego is named Leo Percepied, and his long-time rival Neal Cassady is mentioned only in passing as Leroy.********************
> Excellent Kerouac recording, Zod.

Troll Thread *PLONKED*

Zod wrote:

> Michael Pendragon wrote:

>> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 2:14:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>>> Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
>>>
>>> Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".

>> Not interested.

> I doubt Doc expected you to be...

> Here's the scoop.....................

> https://www.loa.org/news-and-views/644-todd-tietchen-it-took-a-while-for-literary-culture-to-catch-up-with-what-kerouac-had-accomplished

> ***************************************LOA: For a first-time reader, one of the major discoveries in Visions of Cody is “Joan Rawshanks in the Fog,” Kerouac’s hallucinatory account of watching a Joan Crawford movie being shot on location in San Francisco. It’s strong enough to work as a standalone vignette. What’s its function in the overall scheme of the book?

> Transatlantic Review #9, 1962
> Tietchen: I think the function of the Joan Rawshanks section, which was published as standalone vignette in Transatlantic Review 9 (1962), is related to the post-modern aspects of Visions of Cody. The point of departure for the section was Kerouac’s observation of Crawford filming a scene for Sudden Fear (1952), directed by David Miller, on location on Russian Hill.

> Kerouac focused much of his attention on the work of film technicians who are highly adept at producing a foggy moonlit night where none in fact exists. He also asks us to consider the distinctions between the “real” Joan Crawford stalking around the set and Crawford the film icon and actress. Again, what seems to be at stake here is the issue of mimesis (and its limitations): to what degree can an aesthetic gesture capture/evoke the real/lived experience?

> As an extended exercise in montage, Visions of Cody poses this question by juxtaposing Kerouac’s literary portrayals of Cassady, the transcripts of the tape recordings, and this meditation on Hollywood film production. In a sense, the text is engaged in a comparative exploration of media forms and how they produce meaning differently—and at what cost for the subjects being portrayed. Furthermore, as a textual collage it bears some similarity to modernist works such as William Carlos Williams’s Spring and All and Jean Toomer’s Cane. When you consider Cody’s mosaic qualities, along with the surrealist (or “hallucinatory”) vibe of sections such as “Joan Rawshanks,” it becomes clear that Kerouac was attempting to synthesize and advance some of the animating concerns of twentieth-century experimentation in art and literature. This is all to say that Kerouac was interested in expressive forms other than jazz. *******************************************

I'm sure all this went over Pendragon's head, since he's never appreciated or understood "modern poetry".

And so it goes.

On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 12:35:58 AM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>
> > Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
>
> > Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
> Todd Tietchen: “It took a while for literary culture to catch up with what Kerouac had accomplished”
>
> https://www.loa.org/news-and-views/644-todd-tietchen-it-took-a-while-for-literary-culture-to-catch-up-with-what-kerouac-had-accomplished
>
> ****************I think that with this particular text Kerouac was subject to what John Ashbery has termed the “doubt element.” In his essay “The Invisible Avant-Garde,” Ashbery points out that experimental art is often initially rejected on conditioned impulse. When first encountering a painting by Basquiat or Haring, many instantly balk, “That’s not art!”—which really means “That’s not what I understand art to be!” In such instances, it takes time for our judgment or taxonomic criteria to catch up.
>
> That’s the significance I think of Truman Capote’s oft-quoted dismissal of Kerouac: “that’s not writing, it’s typing.” Capote didn’t understand, or sympathize with, what Kerouac was after, and I think a similar sort of misapprehension is behind Kerouac’s complicated publication history. As time goes on, Kerouac’s reputation continues to grow**********************
>
> ********************** Kerouac’s experiments in narrative come animated by a sense of descriptive doubt that anticipates postmodern literature, in which authors (John Barth, Joan Didion, and Paul Auster among others) compose narratives while at the same time reflecting on what it means to engage in such an effort. Storytelling becomes not just storytelling but a sustained reflection on the stakes involved in storytelling********************************
>
> A mighty fine read and I don't even quote the parts on Joan Crawford yet....!

Which are not disrespectful to Joan Crawford.

For the record.

Family Guy wrote:

> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...

> Shut the hell up.

Hush, troll.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 1:15:09 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 2:01:05 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> > Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>> >
>> > > Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
>> >
>> > > Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
>> > I do not think Jack Kerouac reading "Joan Rawshanks in the Fog" is online, but I found this great one from 1958...
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7AjN1a85h4
>> >
>> > and
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hjPZpaXNsw
>> >
>> > **************The Subterraneans' is a 1958 novella by Beat Generation author Jack Kerouac. It is a semi-fictional account of his short romance with Alene Lee (1931–1991), an African-American woman, in Greenwich Village, New York. Kerouac met Alene in the late summer of 1953 when she was typing up the manuscripts of William Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg, in Allen's Lower East Side apartment. In the novella, Kerouac moved the story to San Francisco and renamed Alene Lee "Mardou Fox". She is described as a carefree spirit who frequents the jazz clubs and bars of the budding Beat scene of San Francisco. Other well-known personalities and friends from the author's life also appear thinly disguised in the novel. The character Frank Carmody is based on William S. Burroughs, and Adam Moorad on Allen Ginsberg. Even Gore Vidal appears as successful novelist Arial Lavalina. Kerouac's alter ego is named Leo Percepied, and his long-time rival Neal Cassady is mentioned only in passing as Leroy.********************
>> Excellent Kerouac recording, Zod.

> Troll Thread *PLONKED*

Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.

****************Jack Kerouac wrote Visions of Cody in Neal and Carolyn Cassady’s attic on 29 Russell Street, Russian Hill. One night, taking a mind-clearing walk, he came upon a noir film-shoot of Sudden Fear that handed him his cinematic prose take on Joan Crawford: “Joan Rawshanks in the Fog.’****************

https://richardhowe.com/2022/03/24/at-lands-end-with-jack-kerouac/

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:56:05 PM UTC-4, Rocky Stoneberg wrote:
>
> ****************Jack Kerouac wrote Visions of Cody in Neal and Carolyn Cassady’s attic on 29 Russell Street, Russian Hill. One night, taking a mind-clearing walk, he came upon a noir film-shoot of Sudden Fear that handed him his cinematic prose take on Joan Crawford: “Joan Rawshanks in the Fog.’****************
>
> https://richardhowe.com/2022/03/24/at-lands-end-with-jack-kerouac/

Good find, Zod.

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:56:05 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>
>> ****************Jack Kerouac wrote Visions of Cody in Neal and Carolyn Cassady’s attic on 29 Russell Street, Russian Hill. One night, taking a mind-clearing walk, he came upon a noir film-shoot of Sudden Fear that handed him his cinematic prose take on Joan Crawford: “Joan Rawshanks in the Fog.’****************
>>
>> https://richardhowe.com/2022/03/24/at-lands-end-with-jack-kerouac/

> Good find, Zod.

Cool.... more to come....

Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:56:05 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>
>>> ****************Jack Kerouac wrote Visions of Cody in Neal and Carolyn Cassady’s attic on 29 Russell Street, Russian Hill. One night, taking a mind-clearing walk, he came upon a noir film-shoot of Sudden Fear that handed him his cinematic prose take on Joan Crawford: “Joan Rawshanks in the Fog.’****************
>>>
>>> https://richardhowe.com/2022/03/24/at-lands-end-with-jack-kerouac/

>> Good find, Zod.

> Cool.... more to come....

Looking forward to it.

On Sunday, October 16, 2022 at 5:01:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
>
> > Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:56:05 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ****************Jack Kerouac wrote Visions of Cody in Neal and Carolyn Cassady’s attic on 29 Russell Street, Russian Hill. One night, taking a mind-clearing walk, he came upon a noir film-shoot of Sudden Fear that handed him his cinematic prose take on Joan Crawford: “Joan Rawshanks in the Fog.’****************
> >>>
> >>> https://richardhowe.com/2022/03/24/at-lands-end-with-jack-kerouac/
>
> >> Good find, Zod.
>
> > Cool.... more to come....
> Looking forward to it.

I am researching Ahmos Zu-Bolton some today...!

Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...

>> Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.

>> Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".

> I do not think Jack Kerouac reading "Joan Rawshanks in the Fog" is online, but I found this great one from 1958...

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7AjN1a85h4

> and

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hjPZpaXNsw

> **************The Subterraneans' is a 1958 novella by Beat Generation author Jack Kerouac. It is a semi-fictional account of his short romance with Alene Lee (1931–1991), an African-American woman, in Greenwich Village, New York. Kerouac met Alene in the late summer of 1953 when she was typing up the manuscripts of William Burroughs and Allen Ginsberg, in Allen's Lower East Side apartment. In the novella, Kerouac moved the story to San Francisco and renamed Alene Lee "Mardou Fox". She is described as a carefree spirit who frequents the jazz clubs and bars of the budding Beat scene of San Francisco. Other well-known personalities and friends from the author's life also appear thinly disguised in the novel. The character Frank Carmody is based on William S. Burroughs, and Adam Moorad on Allen Ginsberg. Even Gore Vidal appears as successful novelist Arial Lavalina. Kerouac's alter ego is named Leo Percepied, and his long-time rival Neal Cassady is mentioned only in passing as Leroy.********************

Excellent piece of extended prose poetry, one of Kerouac's best.

Will Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
>
> Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".

While looking for that on GOOGLE BOOKS, I found a great book by William S. Burroughs, "The Place Of Dead Roads":

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Place_of_Dead_Roads/VZLqAQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22brian+doohan%22&printsec=frontcover

The Place of Dead Roads: A Novelbooks.google.com › books
William S. Burroughs · 2013
The Place of Dead Roads is the second novel in the trilogy with Cities of the Red Night and The Western Lands.

Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>> Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
>>
>> Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".

> While looking for that on GOOGLE BOOKS, I found a great book by William S. Burroughs, "The Place Of Dead Roads":

> https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Place_of_Dead_Roads/VZLqAQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22brian+doohan%22&printsec=frontcover

> The Place of Dead Roads: A Novelbooks.google.com › books
> William S. Burroughs · 2013
> The Place of Dead Roads is the second novel in the trilogy with Cities of the Red Night and The Western Lands.

I read the first few pages, some of the better, more intelligible Burroughs writing I've seen.

On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 10:37:25 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
>
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> >> Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
> >>
> >> Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
>
> > While looking for that on GOOGLE BOOKS, I found a great book by William S. Burroughs, "The Place Of Dead Roads":
>
> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Place_of_Dead_Roads/VZLqAQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22brian+doohan%22&printsec=frontcover
>
> > The Place of Dead Roads: A Novelbooks.google.com › books
> > William S. Burroughs · 2013
> > The Place of Dead Roads is the second novel in the trilogy with Cities of the Red Night and The Western Lands.
> I read the first few pages, some of the better, more intelligible Burroughs writing I've seen.

Here is my favorite of all Burroughs books...

Blade Runner --- William S. Burroughs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1MvCgxFado

Zod wrote:

> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 10:37:25 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Zod wrote:
>>
>> > Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>> >> Jack Kerouac wrote an interesting piece on Joan Crawford, his observations of her circa 1952, as she was filming "Sudden Fear", some of my favorite writing by Kerouac.
>> >>
>> >> Look for "Joan Rawshanks In The Fog".
>>
>> > While looking for that on GOOGLE BOOKS, I found a great book by William S. Burroughs, "The Place Of Dead Roads":
>>
>> > https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Place_of_Dead_Roads/VZLqAQAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22brian+doohan%22&printsec=frontcover
>>
>> > The Place of Dead Roads: A Novelbooks.google.com › books
>> > William S. Burroughs · 2013
>> > The Place of Dead Roads is the second novel in the trilogy with Cities of the Red Night and The Western Lands.
>> I read the first few pages, some of the better, more intelligible Burroughs writing I've seen.

> Here is my favorite of all Burroughs books...

> Blade Runner --- William S. Burroughs
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1MvCgxFado

Yes, that's pretty cool.

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

> Family Guy wrote:
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>> > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>> Sup.
> hello FG

Good afternoon, Jordy and F.G.

🙂

On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 1:09:51 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Family Guy wrote:
> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> >> > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> >> Sup.
> > hello FG
>
> Good afternoon, Jordy and F.G.
>
> 🙂
Shalom, Will

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 1:09:51 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > Family Guy wrote:
>> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>> >> Sup.
>> > hello FG
>>
>> Good afternoon, Jordy and F.G.
>>
>
> Shalom, Will

Hello again, my friend.

🙂

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:02:18 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 1:09:51 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > Family Guy wrote:
> >> >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> > One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> >> >> Sup.
> >> > hello FG
> >>
> >> Good afternoon, Jordy and F.G.
> >>
> >
> > Shalom, Will
> Hello again, my friend.
>
> 🙂
hola Will

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:59:48 AM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:02:18 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>
>>> Hello again, Jordy.
>
> hola Will

Good evening, my friend.

;)

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:02:22 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:59:48 AM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:02:18 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
> >
> >>> Hello again, Jordy.
> >
> > hola Will
>
> Good evening, my friend.
>
> ;)
bonjour, Will

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:02:22 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:59:48 AM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:02:18 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul...
>> >
>> >>> Hello again, Jordy.
>> >
>> > hola Will
>>
>> Good evening, my friend.
>>
>
> bonjour, Will

Hello again, Jordy.

🙂

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 3:47:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:02:22 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:59:48 AM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 8:02:18 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >> One can tell just from some of the public statements Joan Crawford said many years ago... people do NOT say those things unless they have been at least somewhat abusive! It may not have been exactly as Christina Crawford has described in her books and interviews, memories are notoriously unreliable and imprecise, but there is NO doubt that Joan was an abusive mother, you just KNOW it, you feel it in your bones, deep down in your soul....
> >> >
> >> >>> Hello again, Jordy.
> >> >
> >> > hola Will
> >>
> >> Good evening, my friend.
> >>
> >
> > bonjour, Will
>
> Hello again, Jordy.
>
> 🙂
Shalom, Will