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 by: Edward Rochester Esq - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 13:05 UTC

Now they look for motive in the latest shootings.

Put AR15's in the hands of the mentally ill, Thanksgiving tables will need one or two less chairs.

Motive doesn't need much thought.

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 by: Spam-I-Am - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 13:12 UTC

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:05:42 AM UTC-5, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> Now they look for motive in the latest shootings.
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> Put AR15's in the hands of the mentally ill, Thanksgiving tables will need one or two less chairs.
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> Motive doesn't need much thought.

Social dissociation due to pandemic isolation is plenty of motivation. At least, that’s my observation.

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 by: Edward Rochester Esq - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 13:46 UTC

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:12:17 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:05:42 AM UTC-5, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > Now they look for motive in the latest shootings.
> >
> > Put AR15's in the hands of the mentally ill, Thanksgiving tables will need one or two less chairs.
> >
> > Motive doesn't need much thought.
> Social dissociation due to pandemic isolation is plenty of motivation. At least, that’s my observation.

A few years of isolation (isolation used to in fact protect life) doesn't, for me, dictate blowing strangers apart for some whispered, 'kill'.

Some paddle, some get paddled, some kill...on and on.

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Subject: Re: Motive
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 by: Michael Pendragon - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 14:20 UTC

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:46:29 AM UTC-5, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:12:17 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:05:42 AM UTC-5, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > > Now they look for motive in the latest shootings.
> > >
> > > Put AR15's in the hands of the mentally ill, Thanksgiving tables will need one or two less chairs.
> > >
> > > Motive doesn't need much thought.
> > Social dissociation due to pandemic isolation is plenty of motivation. At least, that’s my observation.
> A few years of isolation (isolation used to in fact protect life) doesn't, for me, dictate blowing strangers apart for some whispered, 'kill'.
>
> Some paddle, some get paddled, some kill...on and on.

No, it doesn't. And the mass-shootings started long before Covid-19 struck..

John B. Calhoun's "rat utopia" experiments showed that overpopulation inevitably leads to anti-social behavior including random acts of violence. Another factor is that both the mentally ill and convicted violent criminals are allowed to remain in society. While this may protect the rights of the mentally ill and of convicted violent criminals, it places the safety of the greater population at risk. A third factor is the cultural depersonalization of violence through exposure to film, television, and video games. Throw in a society wherein there exists a huge disparity of wealth/quality of life, racial and gender-based hatreds, and the readily available access to guns and drugs, and one can only wonder that there aren't dozens of mass-shootings each day.

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Subject: Re: Motive
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 by: Ash Wurthing - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 14:46 UTC

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:12:17 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:05:42 AM UTC-5, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > Now they look for motive in the latest shootings.
> >
> > Put AR15's in the hands of the mentally ill, Thanksgiving tables will need one or two less chairs.
> >
> > Motive doesn't need much thought.
> Social dissociation due to pandemic isolation is plenty of motivation. At least, that’s my observation.

The isolation has been over-- isolation was only enforced during the first part of the pandemic. You can't say there was isolation when the were allowing youth sports last year...

No, the motive of most mass shootings, whether it's officially mental illness or not, is hatred and dissatisfaction with Society and the urge to make the easiest targets pay for it...

America's freedoms nowadays are christened with the blood of innocent people

The animosity of discord and uproar
these states are hardly united any more.

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 14:51 UTC

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 9:20:08 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:46:29 AM UTC-5, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:12:17 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 8:05:42 AM UTC-5, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > Now they look for motive in the latest shootings.
> > > >
> > > > Put AR15's in the hands of the mentally ill, Thanksgiving tables will need one or two less chairs.
> > > >
> > > > Motive doesn't need much thought.
> > > Social dissociation due to pandemic isolation is plenty of motivation.. At least, that’s my observation.
> > A few years of isolation (isolation used to in fact protect life) doesn't, for me, dictate blowing strangers apart for some whispered, 'kill'.
> >
> > Some paddle, some get paddled, some kill...on and on.
> No, it doesn't. And the mass-shootings started long before Covid-19 struck.
>
> John B. Calhoun's "rat utopia" experiments showed that overpopulation inevitably leads to anti-social behavior including random acts of violence. Another factor is that both the mentally ill and convicted violent criminals are allowed to remain in society. While this may protect the rights of the mentally ill and of convicted violent criminals, it places the safety of the greater population at risk. A third factor is the cultural depersonalization of violence through exposure to film, television, and video games. Throw in a society wherein there exists a huge disparity of wealth/quality of life, racial and gender-based hatreds, and the readily available access to guns and drugs, and one can only wonder that there aren't dozens of mass-shootings each day.

Yep that sums it up pretty well. In papers, I always argued that there's no easy to define single causation, not in the complexity of Human existence and Society.

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