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Re: Why won't George Dance answer a simple question?

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 by: W.Dockery - Sun, 20 Nov 2022 01:45 UTC

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> >>> George Dance wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jim Senetto can't
> >>> [compose] a decent haiku
> >>> or anything else.
> >>>
> >>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> you e-magazine?
> >>
> >> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> >> you asked it:
> >>
> >> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> magazine."
> >>
> >> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> >> lie about whether you got an answer.
> >
> > That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.

> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> tht answer, but that is no reason
> to protend Robert wasn't given it.

> > I ask everyone at AAPC to post poetry to the AYoS thread. However,
> since I believe that Will Donkey and his Stink are incapable of writing
> "a decent haiku or anything else," I make certain to exclude them from
> my invitation.
> >

> then you do not "ask everyone" to post poetry to AYOS. I did.

> > An editor would not want to publish poetry that he considered to be
> worthless, nor would he wish to have his magazine associated with poetry
> he considered to be worthless.
> >
> > If you ask Jim for poetry, you must think that his poetry is good
> enough to appear in your magazine. Unless your magazine has no standards
> whatsoever, and publishes any garbage that is thrown at it, you would
> not solicit submissions from a writer whose talents were not up to a
> certain standard.

> You can use whatever editorial standards you want in your own anthology.
> My intent was to produce a representative sample of usenet poetry; I did
> not exclude poets I didn't like. And I was satisfied with all the poems
> I published.

> > But we all know your m.o. You divide everyone into two categories:
> potential allies and potential adversaries. You slurp the writings of
> your potential allies and attack those of your potential adversaries.

> LOL! That certainly is not "Tit for Tat". It sounds just like the "team
> playing" that I've written about and you deny ever noticing.

> >
> > When Jim is seen as a potential ally, you request his poetry.

> Wrong. As I already answered several times, I asked everyone for poetry,
> real or potential ally or not. I'm wondering where you're getting that
> stuff from?

> > When he is seen as an adversary, you assign a childish name to him
> and claim he can't write. Like most career politicians,
> > you're half toady and half jackass. Which half shows itself depends
> on the "party" of the party being addressed.

> Ah, that part sounds familiar.

> "However, since I believe that Will Donkey and his Stink are incapable
> of writing "a decent haiku or anything else," I make certain to exclude
> them from my invitation."
> " When he is seen as an adversary, you assign a childish name to him and
> claim he can't write."

> You got this from your own editorial policy.

Pendragon seems to be projecting.

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 by: Will Dockery - Sun, 20 Nov 2022 12:11 UTC

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> >>> George Dance wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jim Senetto can't
> >>> [compose] a decent haiku
> >>> or anything else.
> >>>
> >>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> you e-magazine?
> >>
> >> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> >> you asked it:
> >>
> >> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> magazine."
> >>
> >> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> >> lie about whether you got an answer.
> >
> > That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> tht answer, but that is no reason
> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
> > I ask everyone at AAPC to post poetry to the AYoS thread. However,
> since I believe that Will Donkey and his Stink are incapable of writing
> "a decent haiku or anything else," I make certain to exclude them from
> my invitation.
> >
> then you do not "ask everyone" to post poetry to AYOS. I did.
> > An editor would not want to publish poetry that he considered to be
> worthless, nor would he wish to have his magazine associated with poetry
> he considered to be worthless.
> >
> > If you ask Jim for poetry, you must think that his poetry is good
> enough to appear in your magazine. Unless your magazine has no standards
> whatsoever, and publishes any garbage that is thrown at it, you would
> not solicit submissions from a writer whose talents were not up to a
> certain standard.
> You can use whatever editorial standards you want in your own anthology.
> My intent was to produce a representative sample of usenet poetry; I did
> not exclude poets I didn't like. And I was satisfied with all the poems
> I published.
> > But we all know your m.o. You divide everyone into two categories:
> potential allies and potential adversaries. You slurp the writings of
> your potential allies and attack those of your potential adversaries.
> LOL! That certainly is not "Tit for Tat". It sounds just like the "team
> playing" that I've written about and you deny ever noticing.
> >
> > When Jim is seen as a potential ally, you request his poetry.
> Wrong. As I already answered several times, I asked everyone for poetry,
> real or potential ally or not. I'm wondering where you're getting that
> stuff from?
> > When he is seen as an adversary, you assign a childish name to him
> and claim he can't write. Like most career politicians,
> > you're half toady and half jackass. Which half shows itself depends
> on the "party" of the party being addressed.
> Ah, that part sounds familiar.
> "However, since I believe that Will Donkey and his Stink are incapable
> of writing "a decent haiku or anything else," I make certain to exclude
> them from my invitation."
> " When he is seen as an adversary, you assign a childish name to him and
> claim he can't write."
> You got this from your own editorial policy.

Well put, as usual.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Mon, 21 Nov 2022 16:13 UTC

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> >>> George Dance wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jim Senetto can't
> >>> [compose] a decent haiku
> >>> or anything else.
> >>>
> >>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> you e-magazine?
> >>
> >> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> >> you asked it:
> >>
> >> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> magazine."
> >>
> >> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> >> lie about whether you got an answer.
> >
> > That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> tht answer, but that is no reason
> to protend Robert wasn't given it.

I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.

However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:

MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?

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On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> >>> George Dance wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jim Senetto can't
> >>> [compose] a decent haiku
> >>> or anything else.
> >>>
> >>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> you e-magazine?
> >>
> >> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> >> you asked it:
> >>
> >> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> magazine."
> >>
> >> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> >> lie about whether you got an answer.
> >
> > That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> tht answer, but that is no reason
> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
> > I ask everyone at AAPC to post poetry to the AYoS thread. However,
> since I believe that Will Donkey and his Stink are incapable of writing
> "a decent haiku or anything else," I make certain to exclude them from
> my invitation.
> >
> then you do not "ask everyone" to post poetry to AYOS. I did.
> > An editor would not want to publish poetry that he considered to be
> worthless, nor would he wish to have his magazine associated with poetry
> he considered to be worthless.
> >
> > If you ask Jim for poetry, you must think that his poetry is good
> enough to appear in your magazine. Unless your magazine has no standards
> whatsoever, and publishes any garbage that is thrown at it, you would
> not solicit submissions from a writer whose talents were not up to a
> certain standard.
> You can use whatever editorial standards you want in your own anthology.
> My intent was to produce a representative sample of usenet poetry; I did
> not exclude poets I didn't like. And I was satisfied with all the poems
> I published.
> > But we all know your m.o. You divide everyone into two categories:
> potential allies and potential adversaries. You slurp the writings of
> your potential allies and attack those of your potential adversaries.
> LOL! That certainly is not "Tit for Tat". It sounds just like the "team
> playing" that I've written about and you deny ever noticing.
> >
> > When Jim is seen as a potential ally, you request his poetry.
> Wrong. As I already answered several times, I asked everyone for poetry,
> real or potential ally or not. I'm wondering where you're getting that
> stuff from?
> > When he is seen as an adversary, you assign a childish name to him
> and claim he can't write. Like most career politicians,
> > you're half toady and half jackass. Which half shows itself depends
> on the "party" of the party being addressed.
> Ah, that part sounds familiar.
> "However, since I believe that Will Donkey and his Stink are incapable
> of writing "a decent haiku or anything else," I make certain to exclude
> them from my invitation."
> " When he is seen as an adversary, you assign a childish name to him and
> claim he can't write."
> You got this from your own editorial policy.

Again, well put, George.

HTH and HAND.

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 by: George J. Dance - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 17:50 UTC

On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
>> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
>>>>> George Dance wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Senetto can't
>>>>> [compose] a decent haiku
>>>>> or anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
>> you e-magazine?
>>>>
>>>> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
>>>> you asked it:
>>>>
>>>> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
>> magazine."
>>>>
>>>> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
>>>> lie about whether you got an answer.
>>>
>>> That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
>> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
>> tht answer, but that is no reason
>> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
>
> I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.
>
> However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:
>
> MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
>

Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
same answer.

I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.

Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
answer either. Your choice.

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 by: Edward Rochester Esq - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 18:10 UTC

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> >> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> >>>>> George Dance wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim Senetto can't
> >>>>> [compose] a decent haiku
> >>>>> or anything else.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> >> you e-magazine?
> >>>>
> >>>> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> >>>> you asked it:
> >>>>
> >>>> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> >> magazine."
> >>>>
> >>>> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> >>>> lie about whether you got an answer.
> >>>
> >>> That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> >> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> >> tht answer, but that is no reason
> >> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
> >
> > I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.
> >
> > However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:
> >
> > MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
> >
> Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
> same answer.
>
> I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
> the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
> real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.
>
> Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
> answer either. Your choice.

Seems I'm worthless from you very mouth.\

Dance:

Jim Senetto can't [compose] a decent haiku
>>> or anything else.

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On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> >> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> >>>>> George Dance wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim Senetto can't
> >>>>> [compose] a decent haiku
> >>>>> or anything else.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> >> you e-magazine?
> >>>>
> >>>> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> >>>> you asked it:
> >>>>
> >>>> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> >> magazine."
> >>>>
> >>>> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> >>>> lie about whether you got an answer.
> >>>
> >>> That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> >> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> >> tht answer, but that is no reason
> >> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
> >
> > I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.
> >
> > However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:
> >
> > MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
> >
> Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> Jim's poetry "worthless",

You're playing the petty little cunt again, George.

Here's what you said:

Jim Senetto can't
write a decent haiku
or anything else.

If Jim cannot write a decent haiku *or anything else,* then his poetry would be worthless.

> and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
> same answer.

You claimed that you'd contacted Jim and requested that he submit a poem. Generally, when one requests a poem for an anthology that represents a certain group of poets, the submission would be pre-approved.

> I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
> the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
> real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.

Your above statement also strongly implies that the poetry was pre-approved.

> Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
> answer either. Your choice.

No, George, you have not answered my question. You are either as dense as our resident Donkey, or playing the dunce in an attempt at deflection.

I am not asking you whether you requested poetry from "everyone." We have already established that you had.

I am asking you what it says about your editorial standards if you request poetry from someone who you believe "cannot write a decent haiku, or anything else."

But since you seem incapable of seeing past your own reflection, allow me to rephrase my question in general terms:

What does it say about an editor's standards if he requests poetry from someone he believes incapable of composing a decent poem?*

*Please note that the editor in question is not necessarily George Dance.

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On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> >> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> >>>>> George Dance wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim Senetto can't
> >>>>> [compose] a decent haiku
> >>>>> or anything else.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> >> you e-magazine?
> >>>>
> >>>> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> >>>> you asked it:
> >>>>
> >>>> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> >> magazine."
> >>>>
> >>>> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> >>>> lie about whether you got an answer.
> >>>
> >>> That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> >> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> >> tht answer, but that is no reason
> >> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
> >
> > I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.
> >
> > However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:
> >
> > MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
> >
> Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
> same answer.
>
> I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
> the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
> real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.
>
> Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
> answer either. Your choice.

Instead, Pendragon goes into a flaming meltdown, now calling you a "cunt", I see.

And so it goes.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 18:31 UTC

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> > >> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > >>>>> George Dance wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jim Senetto can't
> > >>>>> [compose] a decent haiku
> > >>>>> or anything else.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> > >> you e-magazine?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> > >>>> you asked it:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> > >> magazine."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> > >>>> lie about whether you got an answer.
> > >>>
> > >>> That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> > >> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> > >> tht answer, but that is no reason
> > >> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
> > >
> > > I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.
> > >
> > > However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:
> > >
> > > MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
> > >
> > Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> > Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> > reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
> > same answer.
> >
> > I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
> > the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
> > real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.
> >
> > Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
> > answer either. Your choice.
> Instead, Pendragon goes into a flaming meltdown, now calling you a "cunt", I see.
>
> And so it goes.

Why do you lie so much, Donkey?

I said that George was playing the petty little cunt.

Do you understand the difference between "playing the cunt" and "being a cunt?"

[Rhetorical question alert.]

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On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:31:44 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> > > >> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > > >>>>> George Dance wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Jim Senetto can't
> > > >>>>> [compose] a decent haiku
> > > >>>>> or anything else.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> > > >> you e-magazine?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> > > >>>> you asked it:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> > > >> magazine."
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> > > >>>> lie about whether you got an answer.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> > > >> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> > > >> tht answer, but that is no reason
> > > >> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
> > > >
> > > > I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.
> > > >
> > > > However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:
> > > >
> > > > MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
> > > >
> > > Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> > > Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> > > reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
> > > same answer.
> > >
> > > I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
> > > the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
> > > real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.
> > >
> > > Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
> > > answer either. Your choice.
> > Instead, Pendragon goes into a flaming meltdown, now calling you a "cunt", I see.
>
>
> I said that George was playing the petty little cunt

We know.

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On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:41:09 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:31:44 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> > > > >> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >>>> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > > > >>>>> George Dance wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Jim Senetto can't
> > > > >>>>> [compose] a decent haiku
> > > > >>>>> or anything else.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> > > > >> you e-magazine?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> > > > >>>> you asked it:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> > > > >> magazine."
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> > > > >>>> lie about whether you got an answer.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> > > > >> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> > > > >> tht answer, but that is no reason
> > > > >> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:
> > > > >
> > > > > MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
> > > > >
> > > > Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> > > > Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> > > > reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
> > > > same answer.
> > > >
> > > > I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
> > > > the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
> > > > real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.
> > > >
> > > > Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
> > > > answer either. Your choice.
> > > Instead, Pendragon goes into a flaming meltdown, now calling you a "cunt", I see.
> >
> >
> > I said that George was playing the petty little cunt
> We know.

You know what we said, but you obviously don't understand what it means.

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On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:45:06 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:41:09 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:31:44 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> > > > > >> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> George Dance wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Jim Senetto can't
> > > > > >>>>> [compose] a decent haiku
> > > > > >>>>> or anything else.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> > > > > >> you e-magazine?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> > > > > >>>> you asked it:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> > > > > >> magazine."
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> > > > > >>>> lie about whether you got an answer.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> > > > > >> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> > > > > >> tht answer, but that is no reason
> > > > > >> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
> > > > > >
> > > > > Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> > > > > Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> > > > > reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
> > > > > same answer.
> > > > >
> > > > > I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
> > > > > the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
> > > > > real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.
> > > > >
> > > > > Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
> > > > > answer either. Your choice.
> > > > Instead, Pendragon goes into a flaming meltdown, now calling you a "cunt", I see.
> > >
> > >
> > > I said that George was playing the petty little cunt
> > We know.
> You know what we said, but you obviously don't understand what it means.

Sure, I do.

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From: michaelm...@gmail.com (Michael Pendragon)
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 by: Michael Pendragon - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 18:56 UTC

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:48:16 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:45:06 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:41:09 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:31:44 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > >> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> > > > > > >> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> George Dance wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Jim Senetto can't
> > > > > > >>>>> [compose] a decent haiku
> > > > > > >>>>> or anything else.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> > > > > > >> you e-magazine?
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> > > > > > >>>> you asked it:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> > > > > > >> magazine."
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> > > > > > >>>> lie about whether you got an answer.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> > > > > > >> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> > > > > > >> tht answer, but that is no reason
> > > > > > >> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> > > > > > Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> > > > > > reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
> > > > > > same answer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
> > > > > > the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
> > > > > > real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
> > > > > > answer either. Your choice.
> > > > > Instead, Pendragon goes into a flaming meltdown, now calling you a "cunt", I see.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I said that George was playing the petty little cunt
> > > We know.
> > You know what we said, but you obviously don't understand what it means.
> Sure, I do.

You obviously don't, since you claimed that I called George a cunt.

You also don't know that no comma is needed in "Sure I do."

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From: opb...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery)
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 by: Will Dockery - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 19:01 UTC

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:56:32 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:48:16 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:45:06 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:41:09 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:31:44 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> > > > > > > >> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>> George Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Jim Senetto can't
> > > > > > > >>>>> [compose] a decent haiku
> > > > > > > >>>>> or anything else.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> > > > > > > >> you e-magazine?
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> > > > > > > >>>> you asked it:
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> > > > > > > >> magazine."
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> > > > > > > >>>> lie about whether you got an answer.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> > > > > > > >> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> > > > > > > >> tht answer, but that is no reason
> > > > > > > >> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> > > > > > > Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> > > > > > > reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
> > > > > > > same answer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
> > > > > > > the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
> > > > > > > real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
> > > > > > > answer either. Your choice.
> > > > > > Instead, Pendragon goes into a flaming meltdown, now calling you a "cunt", I see.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I said that George was playing the petty little cunt
> > > > We know.
> > > You know what we said, but you obviously don't understand what it means.
> > Sure, I do.
> You obviously don't, since you claimed that I called George a cunt.

So why use "cunt" at all?

> You also don't know that no comma is needed in "Sure I do."

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 19:07 UTC

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:03:17 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:56:32 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:48:16 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:45:06 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:41:09 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:31:44 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> > > > > > > > >> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> George Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jim Senetto can't
> > > > > > > > >>>>> [compose] a decent haiku
> > > > > > > > >>>>> or anything else.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> > > > > > > > >> you e-magazine?
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> > > > > > > > >>>> you asked it:
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> > > > > > > > >> magazine."
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> > > > > > > > >>>> lie about whether you got an answer.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> > > > > > > > >> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> > > > > > > > >> tht answer, but that is no reason
> > > > > > > > >> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> > > > > > > > Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> > > > > > > > reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
> > > > > > > > same answer.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
> > > > > > > > the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
> > > > > > > > real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
> > > > > > > > answer either. Your choice.
> > > > > > > Instead, Pendragon goes into a flaming meltdown, now calling you a "cunt", I see.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I said that George was playing the petty little cunt
> > > > > We know.
> > > > You know what we said, but you obviously don't understand what it means.
> > > Sure, I do.
> > You obviously don't, since you claimed that I called George a cunt.
> So why use "cunt" at all?

Because it accurately describes my perception of his remark.

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Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:03:17 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:56:32 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:48:16 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:45:06 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:41:09 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:31:44 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
>> > > > > > > > >> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >>>> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >>>>> George Dance wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jim Senetto can't
>> > > > > > > > >>>>> [compose] a decent haiku
>> > > > > > > > >>>>> or anything else.
>> > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> > > > > > > > >>>>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
>> > > > > > > > >> you e-magazine?
>> > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > > > > > >>>> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
>> > > > > > > > >>>> you asked it:
>> > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > > > > > >>>> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
>> > > > > > > > >> magazine."
>> > > > > > > > >>>>
>> > > > > > > > >>>> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
>> > > > > > > > >>>> lie about whether you got an answer.
>> > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > > >>> That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
>> > > > > > > > >> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
>> > > > > > > > >> tht answer, but that is no reason
>> > > > > > > > >> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
>> > > > > > > > Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
>> > > > > > > > reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
>> > > > > > > > same answer.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
>> > > > > > > > the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
>> > > > > > > > real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
>> > > > > > > > answer either. Your choice.
>> > > > > > > Instead, Pendragon goes into a flaming meltdown, now calling you a "cunt", I see.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I said that George was playing the petty little cunt
>> > > > > We know.
>> > > > You know what we said, but you obviously don't understand what it means.
>> > > Sure, I do.
>> > You obviously don't, since you claimed that I called George a cunt.
>> So why use "cunt" at all?

> Because it accurately describes my perception of his remark.

But you're not calling George Dance a cunt.

Got it.

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> > Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> > Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> > reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you
get the
> > same answer.

On 2022-11-22 1:16 p.m., Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5,
george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>> MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry
worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in
your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
>>>
>> Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
>> Jim's poetry "worthless",
>
> You're playing the petty little cunt again, George.

You're post-editing my answers again, Michael. Here's what I actually
wrote:
<quote>
> > Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> > Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> > reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you
get the
> > same answer.
</q>

> Here's what you said:
>
> Jim Senetto can't
> write a decent haiku
> or anything else.
>
> If Jim cannot write a decent haiku *or anything else,* then his
poetry would be worthless.
>

That's doesn't follow. As you pointed out yourself, some editors mibht
include poets who can't write a decent haibu or anything else to slurp a
real or potential ally. In which case including those poems would not be
"worthless".

>> and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
>> reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
>> same answer.
>
> You claimed that you'd contacted Jim and requested that he submit a
poem. Generally, when one requests a poem for an anthology that
represents a certain group of poets, the submission would be pre-approved.

That "implication doesn't follow either, Michael. If I was soliciting
poems from poets whose work I disliked, I'd make damn sure to read what
they gave me before publishing it. Why wouldn't you do that?

>> I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
>> the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
>> real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.
>
> Your above statement also strongly implies that the poetry was
pre-approved.
>

No, Michael; as usual you made an invalid implication. (See above.)

>> Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
>> answer either. Your choice.
>
> No, George, you have not answered my question. You are either as
dense as our resident Donkey, or playing the dunce in an attempt at
deflection.

So, like Robert, you opted to pretend ou didn't get an answer. Fair
enough. Team strategy, and all that.

> I am not asking you whether you requested poetry from "everyone." We
have already established that you had.
>

Oh, good. Previously you'd lied and said I'd only requested poetry from
"potential allies." I'm glad to see your backpedal.

> I am asking you what it says about your editorial standards if you
request poetry from someone who you believe "cannot write a decent
haiku, or anything else."
>

It says that I'm going to read the poem he gives me, rather than basing
my judgement on my beliefs about his past work.

> But since you seem incapable of seeing past your own reflection,
allow me to rephrase my question in general terms:
>
> What does it say about an editor's standards if he requests poetry
from someone he believes incapable of composing a decent poem?*
>

Once again: it says that he's he's willing to put that prejudice of his
aside, and judge the poem that person gives him on its own merits.

I understand that's not your m.o., but are you really incapable of
understanding it?

>
> *Please note that the editor in question is not necessarily George Dance.
>

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 22:01 UTC

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> > >> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> > >>>>> George Dance wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jim Senetto can't
> > >>>>> [compose] a decent haiku
> > >>>>> or anything else.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> > >> you e-magazine?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> > >>>> you asked it:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> > >> magazine."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> > >>>> lie about whether you got an answer.
> > >>>
> > >>> That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> > >> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> > >> tht answer, but that is no reason
> > >> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
> > >
> > > I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.
> > >
> > > However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:
> > >
> > > MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
> > >
> > Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> > Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> > reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
> > same answer.
> >
> > I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
> > the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
> > real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.
> >
> > Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
> > answer either. Your choice.
> Instead, Pendragon goes into a flaming meltdown, now calling you a "cunt", I see.
>
> And so it goes.

And so it goes, with you're so called "real poetry" superiority, trying to tell everyone that they're confused, declaring victories and admitting to your post edited lies and misrepresentations.

It looks like your real poetry spam supremacy
ended up an epic failing, I'm afraid to tell you so
But it's quite obvious that the captive audience, those you call your foe
are no longer content to suffer under your over posting hegemony

And so it goes with such sound and furious flurry from an idiot, a poor player spamming and fending for his hour upon the stage until he is heard no more. And so it will go until the bitter end, not with an encore but with fate's snicker at the simpering whimper...
AAPC: Ye Wasted Words

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On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 4:37:30 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> > > Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> > > reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you
> get the
> > > same answer.
> On 2022-11-22 1:16 p.m., Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry
> worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in
> your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
> >>>
> >> Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> >> Jim's poetry "worthless",
> >
> > You're playing the petty little cunt again, George.
>
> You're post-editing my answers again, Michael. Here's what I actually
> wrote:
> <quote>
> > > Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> > > Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> > > reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you
> get the
> > > same answer.
> </q>
>
> > Here's what you said:
> >
> > Jim Senetto can't
> > write a decent haiku
> > or anything else.
> >
> > If Jim cannot write a decent haiku *or anything else,* then his
> poetry would be worthless.
> >
>
> That's doesn't follow. As you pointed out yourself, some editors mibht
> include poets who can't write a decent haibu or anything else to slurp a
> real or potential ally. In which case including those poems would not be
> "worthless".

That is the whole point, George.

If you publish a "worthless" poem by a perceived ally, simply to slurp him, are your publications of any value?

> >> and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> >> reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
> >> same answer.
> >
> > You claimed that you'd contacted Jim and requested that he submit a
> poem. Generally, when one requests a poem for an anthology that
> represents a certain group of poets, the submission would be pre-approved.
>
> That "implication doesn't follow either, Michael. If I was soliciting
> poems from poets whose work I disliked, I'd make damn sure to read what
> they gave me before publishing it. Why wouldn't you do that?

Because you asked them to submit a poem as a representation of their work. When you solicit a writer for a representative poem, your acceptance of it is implicit in your request.

If you felt that the poet was incapable of writing even a decent poem, you should not have asked him.

Either you are worthless as an editor (since you solicit and publish worthless material), or you are lying about your appraisal of Jim's work.

And before you dig yourself any deeper into the ground, leave us not forget that when Jim left AAPC five years ago, you and your Donkey started praising his work and discussed "publishing" a collection of his best work at AAPC.

> >> I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
> >> the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
> >> real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.
> >
> > Your above statement also strongly implies that the poetry was
> pre-approved.
> >
>
> No, Michael; as usual you made an invalid implication. (See above.)

If a professional editor sent a persona request to a writer for a representative poem, you can be damn sure that he would publish it. Said editor would have only contacted a writer whose work he liked and respected.

But like I said, you're lying through your teeth; as you'd praised Jim's poetry, and discussed putting a collection of it together (in effect, stealing it) the moment he left the group.

> >> Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
> >> answer either. Your choice.
> >
> > No, George, you have not answered my question. You are either as
> dense as our resident Donkey, or playing the dunce in an attempt at
> deflection.
>
> So, like Robert, you opted to pretend ou didn't get an answer. Fair
> enough. Team strategy, and all that.
>
> > I am not asking you whether you requested poetry from "everyone." We
> have already established that you had.
> >
>
> Oh, good. Previously you'd lied and said I'd only requested poetry from
> "potential allies." I'm glad to see your backpedal.

Not in context of your April publication, which you claimed was intended to publish "everyone" in the various online forums you participated in. I didn't know you at that time. Back then you might not have been entirely devoid of scruples.

Stick to my posts within this thread, and/or directly pertaining to this topic.

> > I am asking you what it says about your editorial standards if you
> request poetry from someone who you believe "cannot write a decent
> haiku, or anything else."
> >
>
> It says that I'm going to read the poem he gives me, rather than basing
> my judgement on my beliefs about his past work.

Which says that you're an unprofessional editor/publisher.

> > But since you seem incapable of seeing past your own reflection,
> allow me to rephrase my question in general terms:
> >
> > What does it say about an editor's standards if he requests poetry
> from someone he believes incapable of composing a decent poem?*
> >
>
> Once again: it says that he's he's willing to put that prejudice of his
> aside, and judge the poem that person gives him on its own merits.

But George, you published his poem. You published five of them according to Jim's account.

Either you judged the poems on their own merits and found them worthy (belying your recent claim that Jim is incapable of writing any decent poetry), or you published five worthless poems in order to slurp a potential ally.

Which is it?

> I understand that's not your m.o., but are you really incapable of
> understanding it?

See above.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 04:43 UTC

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 4:51:51 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 2:03:17 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:56:32 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:48:16 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:45:06 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:41:09 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:31:44 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > > > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:50:51 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > On 2022-11-21 11:13 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:07:06 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > >> On 2022-11-15 11:49 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > >>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 11:20:44 AM UTC-5,
> >> > > > > > > > >> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > >>>> On 2022-11-15 10:18 a.m., Robert Burrows wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > >>>>> George Dance wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Jim Senetto can't
> >> > > > > > > > >>>>> [compose] a decent haiku
> >> > > > > > > > >>>>> or anything else.
> >> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > > > > >>>>> Then why did you personally solicit more than one of his poems for
> >> > > > > > > > >> you e-magazine?
> >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > >>>> Please don't lie, Robert. You were given an answer in the thread where
> >> > > > > > > > >>>> you asked it:
> >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > >>>> "I asked everyone posting poetry on aapc for poems for /April/
> >> > > > > > > > >> magazine."
> >> > > > > > > > >>>>
> >> > > > > > > > >>>> You may have not understood the answer, but that's no reason for you to
> >> > > > > > > > >>>> lie about whether you got an answer.
> >> > > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > > >>> That is not an answer to Robert's question, George.
> >> > > > > > > > >> It certainly is. I asked Jim because I asked everyone. You may not like
> >> > > > > > > > >> tht answer, but that is no reason
> >> > > > > > > > >> to protend Robert wasn't given it.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > I've already explained to you what Robert was actually questioning. Your desire to dance around the real question is understandable.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > However, if you want to play the dunce and refuse to address anything more than the literal question... fine. You can answer my question instead:
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > MY QUESTION TO GEORGE DANCE: If you consider Jim's poetry worthless, yet ask him to submit a poem for pre-approved publication in your blog/magazine, what does that say about your editorial standards?
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Aside from the two lies you tried to smuggle in (that I've ever called
> >> > > > > > > > Jim's poetry "worthless", and that I'd "pre-approved" any poems without
> >> > > > > > > > reading them), you're asking the same question as Robert. So you get the
> >> > > > > > > > same answer.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I asked everyone posting at aapc for a poem. I did not discriminate on
> >> > > > > > > > the basis of who was an "ally" or an "adversary," or on the basis of
> >> > > > > > > > real or pretend judgements about their "poetry" in general.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Respond to that, if you want, or just pretend that you didn't get an
> >> > > > > > > > answer either. Your choice.
> >> > > > > > > Instead, Pendragon goes into a flaming meltdown, now calling you a "cunt", I see.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I said that George was playing the petty little cunt
> >> > > > > We know.
> >> > > > You know what we said, but you obviously don't understand what it means.
> >> > > Sure, I do.
> >> > You obviously don't, since you claimed that I called George a cunt.
> >> So why use "cunt" at all?
>
> > Because it accurately describes my perception of his remark.
> But you're not calling George Dance a cunt.
>
> Got it.

Correct. One can behave like a petty little cunt without actually being one.

If one of your friends suddenly starts behaving like a jerk, it doesn't mean that he is a jerk. It just means that he's not living up to his normal standards.

I had thought better of George, but his recent posts are certainly making him appear to be a petty little cunt.

By alerting him of this fact, I'm hoping that he'll reassess his recent behavior and correct it.

Of course, I don't expect you to understand this: once a Donkey, always a Donkey.

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 by: W.Dockery - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 09:18 UTC

Michael Pendragon wrote:
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> One can behave like a petty little cunt without actually being one.

Which is basically that the person doesn't agree with you.

Got it.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 16:14 UTC

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:50:33 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
>
> > One can behave like a petty little cunt without actually being one.
> Which is basically that the person doesn't agree with you.

No... that's what others have accused you and your publisher of doing, second-hander Donkey.

Being a petty little cunt involves nit-picking over the tiniest deviations in perceived meaning, imagined slights, petty grievances, and, generally, tit for tat.

To take a current example: George has devoted several long-winded posts arguing with me over whether an incident in his "largely" autobiographical poem was, in fact, autobiographical. George isn't denying the incident (that would be too easy, and would bring his petty conversation to an end). Rather, he is accusing me of lying because, based on two of George's statements about the poem, I have concluded that said incident was 100% true.

This, of course, is another well known troll tactic, wherein the troll picks pointless fights over trivialities, until his opponents get sick of dealing with his nonsense and leave the group.

So, yes, George is behaving like a petty little cunt. Not because George is a petty little cunt in real life, but because he is acting like a petty little cunt to drive others (like Jim) out of AAPC.

I'll let others draw their own conclusions as to whether he is a petty little cunt, or just acting like one.

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 by: W-Dockery - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 16:48 UTC

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:50:33 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >
>>
>> > One can behave like a petty little cunt without actually being one.
>
>> Which is basically that the person doesn't agree with you.

>
> Being a petty little cunt involves nit-picking over the tiniest deviations in perceived meaning, imagined slights, petty grievances, and, generally, tit for tat.

You've just described yourself, Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Thu, 24 Nov 2022 00:12 UTC

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 3:36:37 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:50:33 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >
> >>
> >> > One can behave like a petty little cunt without actually being one.
> >
> >> Which is basically that the person doesn't agree with you.
>
> >
> > Being a petty little cunt involves nit-picking over the tiniest deviations in perceived meaning, imagined slights, petty grievances, and, generally, tit for tat.
> You've just described yourself, Pendragon.

IKYABWID?

Congratulations! You've taken the concept of lame to a whole new level.

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 by: Will Dockery - Thu, 24 Nov 2022 00:37 UTC

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 7:12:55 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 3:36:37 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 10:50:33 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> > One can behave like a petty little cunt without actually being one.
> > >
> > >> Which is basically that the person doesn't agree with you.
> >
> > >
> > > Being a petty little cunt involves nit-picking over the tiniest deviations in perceived meaning, imagined slights, petty grievances, and, generally, tit for tat.
> > You've just described yourself, Pendragon.
> IKYABWID?
>
> Congratulations! You've taken the concept of lame to a whole new level.

Just calling it as I see it.

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