On Apr 28, 2023 at 5:10:43 PM PDT, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't see the issue. Obviously, he's a desirable sire to the women who
> choose his...stuff. It's not like he's some black guy on welfare who breeds
> because he's bored.
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65429936

How does a Dutch court think it has jurisdiction to tell someone in another
country if they can continue to donate sperm or not?

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 9:26:22 PM UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2023 at 5:10:43 PM PDT, "RichA" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't see the issue. Obviously, he's a desirable sire to the women who
> > choose his...stuff. It's not like he's some black guy on welfare who breeds
> > because he's bored.
> >
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65429936
> How does a Dutch court think it has jurisdiction to tell someone in another
> country if they can continue to donate sperm or not?

An excellent question! Britain is not even in the EU any more so there's no possibility that there is some over-arching EU regulation that lets one EU country dictate what a citizen of another EU country can do.

I suppose a Dutch court could rule that no *Dutch* sperm bank can give sperm from this donor to any clients in the Netherlands but I don't see how the Dutch court could keep the British donor from giving/selling his sperm in any other country.

Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 9:26:22 PM UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>On Apr 28, 2023 at 5:10:43 PM PDT, "RichA" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>I don't see the issue. Obviously, he's a desirable sire to the women who
>>>choose his...stuff. It's not like he's some black guy on welfare who breeds
>>>because he's bored.

>>>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65429936

>>How does a Dutch court think it has jurisdiction to tell someone in another
>>country if they can continue to donate sperm or not?

>An excellent question! Britain is not even in the EU any more so there's
>no possibility that there is some over-arching EU regulation that lets
>one EU country dictate what a citizen of another EU country can do.

I don't see how this is an over-arching regulation. The issue is lack of
a national court's jurisdiction when the creep is selling his output
having jacked off into a test tube physically standing in another
country. And yeah, they really really really need to keep track of these
things to inform women desperately seeking spawn that their child might
be being set up to unintentionally have real-world sex with a biological
half sibling.

>I suppose a Dutch court could rule that no *Dutch* sperm bank can give
>sperm from this donor to any clients in the Netherlands but I don't see
>how the Dutch court could keep the British donor from giving/selling his
>sperm in any other country.

It doesn't even sound like they've any idea of how many children he
fathered in the Netherlands.

On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 13:50:47 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 9:26:22?PM UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>On Apr 28, 2023 at 5:10:43 PM PDT, "RichA" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>I don't see the issue. Obviously, he's a desirable sire to the women who
>>>>choose his...stuff. It's not like he's some black guy on welfare who breeds
>>>>because he's bored.
>
>>>>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65429936
>
>>>How does a Dutch court think it has jurisdiction to tell someone in another
>>>country if they can continue to donate sperm or not?
>
>>An excellent question! Britain is not even in the EU any more so there's
>>no possibility that there is some over-arching EU regulation that lets
>>one EU country dictate what a citizen of another EU country can do.
>
>I don't see how this is an over-arching regulation. The issue is lack of
>a national court's jurisdiction when the creep is selling his output
>having jacked off into a test tube physically standing in another
>country. And yeah, they really really really need to keep track of these
>things to inform women desperately seeking spawn that their child might
>be being set up to unintentionally have real-world sex with a biological
>half sibling.

Which was the background to the FBI MOST WANTED episode from this past
week that BTR and I were discussing in the What Did You Watch? thread.
Though the kicker wasn't that two half siblings ended up marrying each
other but that the sperm donor had Lupus and both of the half siblings
had Lupus which was how they ended up meeting each other.

>>I suppose a Dutch court could rule that no *Dutch* sperm bank can give
>>sperm from this donor to any clients in the Netherlands but I don't see
>>how the Dutch court could keep the British donor from giving/selling his
>>sperm in any other country.
>
>It doesn't even sound like they've any idea of how many children he
>fathered in the Netherlands.

Without a DNA test of all the kids generated from the sperm banks he
was at, during the time he might have substituted his own sperm for
someone else's, there's probably no way to know just how many kids he
has.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>Sat, 29 Apr 2023 13:50:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 9:26:22?PM UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>On Apr 28, 2023 at 5:10:43 PM PDT, "RichA" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>I don't see the issue. Obviously, he's a desirable sire to the women
>>>>>who choose his...stuff. It's not like he's some black guy on welfare
>>>>>who breeds because he's bored.

>>>>>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65429936

>>>>How does a Dutch court think it has jurisdiction to tell someone in another
>>>>country if they can continue to donate sperm or not?

>>>An excellent question! Britain is not even in the EU any more so there's
>>>no possibility that there is some over-arching EU regulation that lets
>>>one EU country dictate what a citizen of another EU country can do.

>>I don't see how this is an over-arching regulation. The issue is lack of
>>a national court's jurisdiction when the creep is selling his output
>>having jacked off into a test tube physically standing in another
>>country. And yeah, they really really really need to keep track of these
>>things to inform women desperately seeking spawn that their child might
>>be being set up to unintentionally have real-world sex with a biological
>>half sibling.

>Which was the background to the FBI MOST WANTED episode from this past
>week that BTR and I were discussing in the What Did You Watch? thread.
>Though the kicker wasn't that two half siblings ended up marrying each
>other but that the sperm donor had Lupus and both of the half siblings
>had Lupus which was how they ended up meeting each other.

IT'S NEVER LUPUS.

>>>I suppose a Dutch court could rule that no *Dutch* sperm bank can give
>>>sperm from this donor to any clients in the Netherlands but I don't see
>>>how the Dutch court could keep the British donor from giving/selling his
>>>sperm in any other country.

>>It doesn't even sound like they've any idea of how many children he
>>fathered in the Netherlands.

>Without a DNA test of all the kids generated from the sperm banks he
>was at, during the time he might have substituted his own sperm for
>someone else's, there's probably no way to know just how many kids he
>has.

Oh, give me a fucking break. It's easy enough to maintain records. How
the hell is he going to substitute unless two donors are working
together to commit this fraud? I assume they gave him a uniquely
barcoded test tube and the clinic maintains reasonable controls,
especially making sure that two men don't go into the same booth at the
same time.

On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 14:33:49 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>Sat, 29 Apr 2023 13:50:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 9:26:22?PM UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>On Apr 28, 2023 at 5:10:43 PM PDT, "RichA" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>I don't see the issue. Obviously, he's a desirable sire to the women
>>>>>>who choose his...stuff. It's not like he's some black guy on welfare
>>>>>>who breeds because he's bored.
>
>>>>>>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65429936
>
>>>>>How does a Dutch court think it has jurisdiction to tell someone in another
>>>>>country if they can continue to donate sperm or not?
>
>>>>An excellent question! Britain is not even in the EU any more so there's
>>>>no possibility that there is some over-arching EU regulation that lets
>>>>one EU country dictate what a citizen of another EU country can do.
>
>>>I don't see how this is an over-arching regulation. The issue is lack of
>>>a national court's jurisdiction when the creep is selling his output
>>>having jacked off into a test tube physically standing in another
>>>country. And yeah, they really really really need to keep track of these
>>>things to inform women desperately seeking spawn that their child might
>>>be being set up to unintentionally have real-world sex with a biological
>>>half sibling.
>
>>Which was the background to the FBI MOST WANTED episode from this past
>>week that BTR and I were discussing in the What Did You Watch? thread.
>>Though the kicker wasn't that two half siblings ended up marrying each
>>other but that the sperm donor had Lupus and both of the half siblings
>>had Lupus which was how they ended up meeting each other.
>
>IT'S NEVER LUPUS.
>
>>>>I suppose a Dutch court could rule that no *Dutch* sperm bank can give
>>>>sperm from this donor to any clients in the Netherlands but I don't see
>>>>how the Dutch court could keep the British donor from giving/selling his
>>>>sperm in any other country.
>
>>>It doesn't even sound like they've any idea of how many children he
>>>fathered in the Netherlands.
>
>>Without a DNA test of all the kids generated from the sperm banks he
>>was at, during the time he might have substituted his own sperm for
>>someone else's, there's probably no way to know just how many kids he
>>has.
>
>Oh, give me a fucking break. It's easy enough to maintain records. How
>the hell is he going to substitute unless two donors are working
>together to commit this fraud? I assume they gave him a uniquely
>barcoded test tube and the clinic maintains reasonable controls,
>especially making sure that two men don't go into the same booth at the
>same time.

Oh, sorry. I was thinking of the show's case where the donor was
actually a doctor working at the clinic. So he was substituting his
own DNA for the original donor's DNA. Not the case of someone just
donating his own DNA. Though there may still be issues with tracking
down all of the kids he may have fathered if he's donating DNA in
multiple countries depending upon the laws governing that information.
Which shouldn't be an issue if the Netherlands government decided they
needed to track down all of the kids he has fathered.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>Sat, 29 Apr 2023 14:33:49 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>Sat, 29 Apr 2023 13:50:47 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>>>Rhino2 <hughmunguscan@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 9:26:22?PM UTC-4, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>On Apr 28, 2023 at 5:10:43 PM PDT, "RichA" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>I don't see the issue. Obviously, he's a desirable sire to the women
>>>>>>>who choose his...stuff. It's not like he's some black guy on welfare
>>>>>>>who breeds because he's bored.

>>>>>>>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65429936

>>>>>>How does a Dutch court think it has jurisdiction to tell someone
>>>>>>in another country if they can continue to donate sperm or not?

>>>>>An excellent question! Britain is not even in the EU any more so there's
>>>>>no possibility that there is some over-arching EU regulation that lets
>>>>>one EU country dictate what a citizen of another EU country can do.

>>>>I don't see how this is an over-arching regulation. The issue is lack of
>>>>a national court's jurisdiction when the creep is selling his output
>>>>having jacked off into a test tube physically standing in another
>>>>country. And yeah, they really really really need to keep track of these
>>>>things to inform women desperately seeking spawn that their child might
>>>>be being set up to unintentionally have real-world sex with a biological
>>>>half sibling.

>>>Which was the background to the FBI MOST WANTED episode from this past
>>>week that BTR and I were discussing in the What Did You Watch? thread.
>>>Though the kicker wasn't that two half siblings ended up marrying each
>>>other but that the sperm donor had Lupus and both of the half siblings
>>>had Lupus which was how they ended up meeting each other.

>>IT'S NEVER LUPUS.

>>>>>I suppose a Dutch court could rule that no *Dutch* sperm bank can give
>>>>>sperm from this donor to any clients in the Netherlands but I don't see
>>>>>how the Dutch court could keep the British donor from giving/selling his
>>>>>sperm in any other country.

>>>>It doesn't even sound like they've any idea of how many children he
>>>>fathered in the Netherlands.

>>>Without a DNA test of all the kids generated from the sperm banks he
>>>was at, during the time he might have substituted his own sperm for
>>>someone else's, there's probably no way to know just how many kids he
>>>has.

>>Oh, give me a fucking break. It's easy enough to maintain records. How
>>the hell is he going to substitute unless two donors are working
>>together to commit this fraud? I assume they gave him a uniquely
>>barcoded test tube and the clinic maintains reasonable controls,
>>especially making sure that two men don't go into the same booth at the
>>same time.

>Oh, sorry. I was thinking of the show's case where the donor was
>actually a doctor working at the clinic. . . .

If you were talking about a fictional plot and not the real-life creep,
then I withdraw my annoyance.

On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 14:33:49 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>Oh, give me a fucking break. It's easy enough to maintain records. How
>the hell is he going to substitute unless two donors are working
>together to commit this fraud? I assume they gave him a uniquely
>barcoded test tube and the clinic maintains reasonable controls,
>especially making sure that two men don't go into the same booth at the
>same time.

Well there was one case at such a clinic where the doctor
'contributed' himself and fathered 80-100 children that way. (Hint: he
didn't expect payment)

As for making it with your half brother/sister there have already been
cases on that front

On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 14:56:33 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>Oh, sorry. I was thinking of the show's case where the donor was
>>actually a doctor working at the clinic. . . .
>
>If you were talking about a fictional plot and not the real-life creep,
>then I withdraw my annoyance.

That's actually happened in real life - sorry no cite on this

On 4/29/2023 1:22 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 14:56:33 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>>> Oh, sorry. I was thinking of the show's case where the donor was
>>> actually a doctor working at the clinic. . . .
>>
>> If you were talking about a fictional plot and not the real-life creep,
>> then I withdraw my annoyance.
>
> That's actually happened in real life - sorry no cite on this

More than once over the years IIRC.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On 4/28/23 8:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2023 at 5:10:43 PM PDT, "RichA" <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't see the issue. Obviously, he's a desirable sire to the women who
>> choose his...stuff. It's not like he's some black guy on welfare who breeds
>> because he's bored.
>>
>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65429936
>
> How does a Dutch court think it has jurisdiction to tell someone in another
> country if they can continue to donate sperm or not?
>
>

So true, and who the fuck even cares? No pun intended.