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Re: Comparing Michael Jackson and John Lennon

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Subject: Re: Comparing Michael Jackson and John Lennon
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by: curtis...@gmail.com - Sat, 7 Aug 2021 13:17 UTC

On Thursday, July 1, 2010 at 3:11:49 PM UTC-4, Ray wrote:
> On Jul 1, 1:53 pm, P-Dub <pwolf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 7/1/2010 9:08 AM, Ray wrote:
> >
> > > On Jun 30, 5:38 pm, Fattuchus<fattuc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>http://blog.seattlepi.com/boomerblix/archives/212728.asp?from=blog_last3
> >
> > > Here's the thing for me, John was a genuine innovator who really tried
> > > to push the envelope of popular music, MJ for all his success mostly
> > > just took what other people had done and dumbed it down for mass
> > > consumption. I have looked long and hard for an orignal idea in his
> > > work and I have yet to find it.
> >
> > I am a huge fan of the Beatles and John Lennon. But at the same time, I
> > have to chime in for Michael Jackson. He may have been a wacko, and
> > possibly a child molester. But nobody can deny that he was one amazing
> > songwriter and performer. The Thriller album (and for that matter -
> > pretty much all he had done) was incredibly creative, and contained
> > infections melodies, rhythms, studio innovations, and excitement. His
> > stuff was always highly creative, and 'pushing the envelope'.
> >
> > I do not agree that he 'took what other people had done and dumbed it
> > down'. Nothing could be further from the truth.
> >
> > IMO, Michael Jackson and John Lennon were on equal footing! They were
> > both geniuses, both original, and both one-of-a-kind. And they were both
> > incredibly successful. And they both deserved the love and praise of the
> > masses.
> >
> > P-Dub: I'm Bad
> I think Thriller provides a perfect example. Anyone who saw the Alice
> Cooper "Welcome to My Nightmare" tour could tell you just how much of
> thriller was 'borrowed' right down to the dancing and having vincent
> price do a voiceover.

I agree that Jackson ripped off other artists. BTW, didn't he use ghostwriters, too?

There is the whole Lennon and Chuck Berry thing, but in Lennon's case it was more of drawing inspiration. If John hadn't used the "ole flat-top" line, nobody would know about "Come Together"'s inspiration.

You can't push on a string.

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