In the continuing humilitation of a once fine but now decrepit
newspaper, Trib has agreed to vacate Freedom Center on the near
northwest side of the city by a year from July. The modern printing
plant was built in 1981, moving all production out of Tribune Tower.
This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
was used for a short while.

Tribune Tower is irrelevant to the newspaper; it's being turned into
housing.

I don't see how that's enough time to site and build a new plant, so my
guess is they're going to the vacant printing plant in Milwaukee which
Alden Capital already owns.

Bally's was supposed to build and equip a replacement printing plant but
they made a cash settlement instead.

The newspaper was stripped of all its land and other assets years ago.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-tribune-ballys-freedom-center-move-20230505-nf4sbgbsi5d3jccewdnx4wc4sa-story.html

In <u36plf$3206g$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

>This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
>was used for a short while.

What is this WGN and Nexstar and News Nation of which you speak?

(Does anyone other than me watch it?)

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_____________________________________________________
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danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

>>This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
>>was used for a short while.

>What is this WGN and Nexstar and News Nation of which you speak?

>(Does anyone other than me watch it?)

That was never broadcast from the tv studio at Trib Tower, but the WGN
Continental Broadcasting Center, 2501 W Bradley Pl. The local news
operation, 12 to 18 hours a day, offered to cable, was shut down. That
studio was turned into the studio for News Nation.

In <u36u1m$32ldg$2@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

[snip]
>That was never broadcast from the tv studio at Trib Tower, but the WGN
>Continental Broadcasting Center, 2501 W Bradley Pl. The local news
>operation, 12 to 18 hours a day, offered to cable, was shut down. That
>studio was turned into the studio for News Nation.

Until about 6 yrs ago (time frame very loose..) WGN was available
on our cable system in Michigan. I actually liked seeing
their noontime news broadcast as it gave a different view
point and feed...

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Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
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[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
> In <u36plf$3206g$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
>
>> This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
>> was used for a short while.
>
> What is this WGN and Nexstar and News Nation of which you speak?
>
> (Does anyone other than me watch it?)
>

I watch news nation, but not when it’s news.

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On 5/6/2023 7:30 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>> In <u36plf$3206g$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
>>
>>> This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
>>> was used for a short while.
>>
>> What is this WGN and Nexstar and News Nation of which you speak?
>>
>> (Does anyone other than me watch it?)
>>
>
> I watch news nation, but not when it’s news.
>
You mean the news shows, but not the commentary shows? Cause they're now
news all the time, M-F.

On 5/6/23 7:02 PM, danny burstein wrote:
> In <u36plf$3206g$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
>
>> This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
>> was used for a short while.
>
> What is this WGN and Nexstar and News Nation of which you speak?
>
> (Does anyone other than me watch it?)

Studios that was used? English language too challenging for you, then?

On 5/6/23 11:51 PM, suzeeq wrote:
> On 5/6/2023 7:30 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>>> In <u36plf$3206g$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
>>> writes:
>>>
>>>> This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
>>>> was used for a short while.
>>>
>>> What is this WGN and Nexstar and News Nation of which you speak?
>>>
>>> (Does anyone other than me watch it?)
>>>
>>
>> I watch news nation, but not when it’s news.
>>
> You mean the news shows, but not the commentary shows? Cause they're now
> news all the time, M-F.

He has no idea what he means.

In article <%bK5M.2685322$iU59.568890@fx14.iad>, trotsky
<gmsingh@email.com> wrote:

> On 5/6/23 7:02 PM, danny burstein wrote:
> > In <u36plf$3206g$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
> >
> >> This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
> >> was used for a short while.
> >
> > What is this WGN and Nexstar and News Nation of which you speak?
> >
> > (Does anyone other than me watch it?)
>
>
> Studios that was used? English language too challenging for you, then?

I took it that the tv studio had been used for only a short while. I
found that odd because even a small tv studio, properly done, can cost
several million dollars. Then again, CBS wasted almost $20 million on
the new Dan Rather studio when he inherited the evening news from
Walter Cronkite, this while the rest of the news operation was
subsisting on crumbs.

A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
>>On 5/6/23 7:02 PM, danny burstein wrote:
>>>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

>>>>This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
>>>>was used for a short while.

>>>What is this WGN and Nexstar and News Nation of which you speak?

>>>(Does anyone other than me watch it?)
>>Studios that was used? English language too challenging for you, then?

>I took it that the tv studio had been used for only a short while.

Yes. That's what I meant, which trots should have been able to discern as
those were exactly the words I had written. Do me a huge favor, will
you? Ignore trots when he flames me with his pathetic spelling and
grammar flames, in particular when he piggybacks on someone else's
article to do so. Nothing is more immature on Usenet. I ignore trots'
frequent flames of me. I would ask that you ignore them as well.

>I found that odd because even a small tv studio, properly done, can cost
>several million dollars. Then again, CBS wasted almost $20 million
>on the new Dan Rather studio when he inherited the evening news from
>Walter Cronkite, this while the rest of the news operation was subsisting
>on crumbs.

After the printing plant in Tribune Tower was vacated, studios were
built at bridge level. The Michigan Avenue bridge over the main channel
of the Chicago River is double decked. The upper deck is for the public;
lower deck was for truck access to building docks. The Tribune Tower was
immediately north of the river on the east side. There used to be a lot
of pedestrian traffic.

Very large picture windows into a radio studio were built allowing
pedestrians to observe. There were other radio studios in the interior.
One was a bit larger and could be used as a television studio. WGN-TV
news wanted something downtown that a reporter could report from or that
could be used to conduct a newsmaker interview but it never had the fancy
set for news anchors and wasn't terribly large. It was almost never used
and reverted to radio use.

WGN Radio stayed downtown after being forced to vacate Tribune Tower. It's
east of North Michigan Avenue south of the river on the upper floor of
an office tower; no more street-level studio.

In article <u38cpn$3dg9r$1@dont-email.me>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
> >trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
> >>On 5/6/23 7:02 PM, danny burstein wrote:
> >>>"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
>
> >>>>This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
> >>>>was used for a short while.
>
> >>>What is this WGN and Nexstar and News Nation of which you speak?
>
> >>>(Does anyone other than me watch it?)
>
> >>Studios that was used? English language too challenging for you, then?
>
> >I took it that the tv studio had been used for only a short while.
>
> Yes. That's what I meant, which trots should have been able to discern as
> those were exactly the words I had written. Do me a huge favor, will
> you? Ignore trots when he flames me with his pathetic spelling and
> grammar flames, in particular when he piggybacks on someone else's
> article to do so. Nothing is more immature on Usenet. I ignore trots'
> frequent flames of me. I would ask that you ignore them as well.
>
> >I found that odd because even a small tv studio, properly done, can cost
> >several million dollars. Then again, CBS wasted almost $20 million
> >on the new Dan Rather studio when he inherited the evening news from
> >Walter Cronkite, this while the rest of the news operation was subsisting
> >on crumbs.
>
> After the printing plant in Tribune Tower was vacated, studios were
> built at bridge level. The Michigan Avenue bridge over the main channel
> of the Chicago River is double decked. The upper deck is for the public;
> lower deck was for truck access to building docks. The Tribune Tower was
> immediately north of the river on the east side. There used to be a lot
> of pedestrian traffic.
>
> Very large picture windows into a radio studio were built allowing
> pedestrians to observe. There were other radio studios in the interior.
> One was a bit larger and could be used as a television studio. WGN-TV
> news wanted something downtown that a reporter could report from or that
> could be used to conduct a newsmaker interview but it never had the fancy
> set for news anchors and wasn't terribly large. It was almost never used
> and reverted to radio use.
>
> WGN Radio stayed downtown after being forced to vacate Tribune Tower. It's
> east of North Michigan Avenue south of the river on the upper floor of
> an office tower; no more street-level studio.

I think it was all-news WBBM in Chicago that put its traffic reporter
on the roof of the building it was in. They gave him a pair of
binoculars.

On Sat, 6 May 2023 23:59:43 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>In the continuing humilitation of a once fine but now decrepit
>newspaper, Trib has agreed to vacate Freedom Center on the near
>northwest side of the city by a year from July. The modern printing
>plant was built in 1981, moving all production out of Tribune Tower.
>This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
>was used for a short while.
>
>Tribune Tower is irrelevant to the newspaper; it's being turned into
>housing.
>
>I don't see how that's enough time to site and build a new plant, so my
>guess is they're going to the vacant printing plant in Milwaukee which
>Alden Capital already owns.
>
>Bally's was supposed to build and equip a replacement printing plant but
>they made a cash settlement instead.
>
>The newspaper was stripped of all its land and other assets years ago.
>
>https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-tribune-ballys-freedom-center-move-20230505-nf4sbgbsi5d3jccewdnx4wc4sa-story.html

Makes sense - Amazon bought the old Vancouver Post Office building
planning on redeveloping it for condos and a new production studio.

One of the site managers for The Man in the High Castle (produced by
Amazon) said "this would make a perfect Nazi headquarters!) so they
got permission from Amazon higher ups to use it for their show.

It was sitting empty so they got free use of a set they otherwise
would have had to pay for. (If you saw the show you probably saw a
building of grey granite where the alternate reality experiments took
place)

A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:

>>. . .

>I think it was all-news WBBM in Chicago that put its traffic reporter
>on the roof of the building it was in. They gave him a pair of
>binoculars.

I don't recall this, and it would have been difficult to see much.
Starting in the mid-'50s, tv and radio were in a low-rise building built
as a stable in the 1920s that got converted to an ice-skating rink. I
guess there wouldn't have been high rises blocking views of the
northwest and lakefront expressways but you couldn't have seen much
else. They were at this facility for five and a half decades. I was in
it a few times and it was kind of decrepid and the tv studios weren't
exactly soundproof. For the life of me, I have no idea why CBS didn't
simply clear the site and build anew when they acquired it. There was
nothing worth salvaging about the building's exterior.

In the '90s, they built an outdoor set for a newly-hired weatherman on
the rooftop. He didn't last very long.

The place was demolished a decade and a half ago.

In article <hkgf5i5svv3a58b1adr5vhpv59hds53rmo@4ax.com>, The Horny Goat
<lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

> On Sat, 6 May 2023 23:59:43 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
> >In the continuing humilitation of a once fine but now decrepit
> >newspaper, Trib has agreed to vacate Freedom Center on the near
> >northwest side of the city by a year from July. The modern printing
> >plant was built in 1981, moving all production out of Tribune Tower.
> >This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
> >was used for a short while.
> >
> >Tribune Tower is irrelevant to the newspaper; it's being turned into
> >housing.
> >
> >I don't see how that's enough time to site and build a new plant, so my
> >guess is they're going to the vacant printing plant in Milwaukee which
> >Alden Capital already owns.
> >
> >Bally's was supposed to build and equip a replacement printing plant but
> >they made a cash settlement instead.
> >
> >The newspaper was stripped of all its land and other assets years ago.
> >
>
> >>https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-tribune-ballys-freedom-center-
> >move-20230505-nf4sbgbsi5d3jccewdnx4wc4sa-story.html
>
> Makes sense - Amazon bought the old Vancouver Post Office building
> planning on redeveloping it for condos and a new production studio.
>
> One of the site managers for The Man in the High Castle (produced by
> Amazon) said "this would make a perfect Nazi headquarters!) so they
> got permission from Amazon higher ups to use it for their show.
>
> It was sitting empty so they got free use of a set they otherwise
> would have had to pay for. (If you saw the show you probably saw a
> building of grey granite where the alternate reality experiments took
> place)

A picture is worth a thousand keystrokes:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/uncle_buddha/3945833073

A Friend wrote:
>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

>>>. . .

>>Makes sense - Amazon bought the old Vancouver Post Office building
>>planning on redeveloping it for condos and a new production studio.

>>One of the site managers for The Man in the High Castle (produced by
>>Amazon) said "this would make a perfect Nazi headquarters!) so they
>>got permission from Amazon higher ups to use it for their show.

>>It was sitting empty so they got free use of a set they otherwise
>>would have had to pay for. (If you saw the show you probably saw a
>>building of grey granite where the alternate reality experiments took
>>place)

>A picture is worth a thousand keystrokes:

>https://www.flickr.com/photos/uncle_buddha/3945833073

I don't see it as a Nazi headquarters. I always think of the austere Art
Moderne buildings, not a decorated Victorian building.

Did Canada build prominent federal buildings that were combined post
offices and court houses during that era?

On 5/7/23 6:05 AM, A Friend wrote:
> In article <%bK5M.2685322$iU59.568890@fx14.iad>, trotsky
> <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5/6/23 7:02 PM, danny burstein wrote:
>>> In <u36plf$3206g$1@dont-email.me> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
>>>> was used for a short while.
>>>
>>> What is this WGN and Nexstar and News Nation of which you speak?
>>>
>>> (Does anyone other than me watch it?)
>>
>>
>> Studios that was used? English language too challenging for you, then?
>
>
> I took it that the tv studio had been used for only a short while.

Unfortunately that's incorrect. Subject-verb agreement is third grade
level stuff. And I say this either because I'm anal, or because English
is the only language I'm fluent in and as time progresses I see it more
and more bastardized. Hell, we have fucking moron on this group who
thinks he knows what it's like to "literally drive off a cliff." How
the fuck did we get to this point?

I
> found that odd because even a small tv studio, properly done, can cost
> several million dollars. Then again, CBS wasted almost $20 million on
> the new Dan Rather studio when he inherited the evening news from
> Walter Cronkite, this while the rest of the news operation was
> subsisting on crumbs.

Okay.

On 5/7/23 9:32 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> A Friend <nope@noway.com> wrote:
>> trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/6/23 7:02 PM, danny burstein wrote:
>>>> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
>
>>>>> This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
>>>>> was used for a short while.
>
>>>> What is this WGN and Nexstar and News Nation of which you speak?
>
>>>> (Does anyone other than me watch it?)
>
>>> Studios that was used? English language too challenging for you, then?
>
>> I took it that the tv studio had been used for only a short while.
>
> Yes. That's what I meant, which trots should have been able to discern as
> those were exactly the words I had written. Do me a huge favor, will
> you? Ignore trots when he flames me with his pathetic spelling and
> grammar flames, in particular when he piggybacks on someone else's
> article to do so. Nothing is more immature on Usenet. I ignore trots'
> frequent flames of me. I would ask that you ignore them as well.

In all fairness I will say Verman is the best on the group at sounding
like he has perpetual hemorrhoids. He must go through tubes of
Preparation H faster than toothpaste.

>> I found that odd because even a small tv studio, properly done, can cost
>> several million dollars. Then again, CBS wasted almost $20 million
>> on the new Dan Rather studio when he inherited the evening news from
>> Walter Cronkite, this while the rest of the news operation was subsisting
>> on crumbs.
>
> After the printing plant in Tribune Tower was vacated, studios were
> built at bridge level. The Michigan Avenue bridge over the main channel
> of the Chicago River is double decked. The upper deck is for the public;
> lower deck was for truck access to building docks. The Tribune Tower was
> immediately north of the river on the east side. There used to be a lot
> of pedestrian traffic.
>
> Very large picture windows into a radio studio were built allowing
> pedestrians to observe. There were other radio studios in the interior.
> One was a bit larger and could be used as a television studio. WGN-TV
> news wanted something downtown that a reporter could report from or that
> could be used to conduct a newsmaker interview but it never had the fancy
> set for news anchors and wasn't terribly large. It was almost never used
> and reverted to radio use.
>
> WGN Radio stayed downtown after being forced to vacate Tribune Tower. It's
> east of North Michigan Avenue south of the river on the upper floor of
> an office tower; no more street-level studio.

On Sun, 7 May 2023 15:42:28 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>A Friend wrote:
>>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>
>>>>. . .
>
>>>Makes sense - Amazon bought the old Vancouver Post Office building
>>>planning on redeveloping it for condos and a new production studio.
>
>>>One of the site managers for The Man in the High Castle (produced by
>>>Amazon) said "this would make a perfect Nazi headquarters!) so they
>>>got permission from Amazon higher ups to use it for their show.
>
>>>It was sitting empty so they got free use of a set they otherwise
>>>would have had to pay for. (If you saw the show you probably saw a
>>>building of grey granite where the alternate reality experiments took
>>>place)
>
>>A picture is worth a thousand keystrokes:
>
>>https://www.flickr.com/photos/uncle_buddha/3945833073
>
>I don't see it as a Nazi headquarters. I always think of the austere Art
>Moderne buildings, not a decorated Victorian building.
>
>Did Canada build prominent federal buildings that were combined post
>offices and court houses during that era?

I'm pretty sure they didn't at least not in western Canada. FYI the
building that appeared in The Man in the High Castle was this one
before they started the towers above it. Should be pretty easy to tell
what was built in 1958 and within the last 10 years (e.g. the towers
above the main building) eh? (The 1958 building was what appeared in
TMitHC

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/the-post-amazon-office-construction-october-2021

In article <%bK5M.2685322$iU59.568890@fx14.iad>, gmsingh@email.com wrote:
> On 5/6/23 7:02 PM, danny burstein wrote:
>> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

>>> This allowed them to build studios for WGN radio and a tv studio that
>>> was used for a short while.
>>
>> What is this WGN and Nexstar and News Nation of which you speak?
>>
>> (Does anyone other than me watch it?)
>
>Studios that was used? English language too challenging for you, then?

"Spelling" "flame" noted. Get back to us when youn have a real argument to
make.

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Let's go Brandon!

Chicago Tribune to buy Daily Herald plant, move printing operations to
Schaumburg in coming months
By Robert Channick
Chicago Tribune
May 17, 2023
https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-tribune-printing-press-20230517-bqwl3op4wzcgpn6y5iaqtggcua-story.html

Years ago, the Herald was a chain of weeklies in the northwest suburbs,
but as population grew, it became a daily.

Population continued to grow and circulation improved. The publisher
decided to finance a new printing plant, which opened in the early
2000s. The plant never earned its keep and it was an albatross around
the paper, which is now a nonprofit.

It never occurred to me that Trib could be printed in this newer but
significantly smaller facility but that shows you how circulation has
declined.

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:04:46 PM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Chicago Tribune to buy Daily Herald plant, move printing operations to
> Schaumburg in coming months
> By Robert Channick
> Chicago Tribune
> May 17, 2023
> https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-tribune-printing-press-20230517-bqwl3op4wzcgpn6y5iaqtggcua-story.html
>
> Years ago, the Herald was a chain of weeklies in the northwest suburbs,
> but as population grew, it became a daily.
>
> Population continued to grow and circulation improved. The publisher
> decided to finance a new printing plant, which opened in the early
> 2000s. The plant never earned its keep and it was an albatross around
> the paper, which is now a nonprofit.
>
> It never occurred to me that Trib could be printed in this newer but
> significantly smaller facility but that shows you how circulation has
> declined.

Oh, and Sam Zell, one of the early vultures, is no more. The trib could print in Kinkos at this stage. Small batches for each town.

In article <4f6ab828-2acf-4a61-88ec-b39b0e1099c4n@googlegroups.com>,
Bering Sea Bar & Brig <jgrove24@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 9:04:46?PM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> > Chicago Tribune to buy Daily Herald plant, move printing operations to
> > Schaumburg in coming months
> > By Robert Channick
> > Chicago Tribune
> > May 17, 2023
> >
> > https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-tribune-printing-press-202305
> > 17-bqwl3op4wzcgpn6y5iaqtggcua-story.html
> >
> > Years ago, the Herald was a chain of weeklies in the northwest suburbs,
> > but as population grew, it became a daily.
> >
> > Population continued to grow and circulation improved. The publisher
> > decided to finance a new printing plant, which opened in the early
> > 2000s. The plant never earned its keep and it was an albatross around
> > the paper, which is now a nonprofit.
> >
> > It never occurred to me that Trib could be printed in this newer but
> > significantly smaller facility but that shows you how circulation has
> > declined.
>
> Oh, and Sam Zell, one of the early vultures, is no more. The trib could print
> in Kinkos at this stage. Small batches for each town.

His nickname was The Grave Dancer. I guess we'll find out whether it
was deserved.