In article <u54nk9$1vbau$10@dont-email.me>,
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

> anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
> > Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
> >> atropos@mac.com wrote:
> >>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Star Trek Strange New World Season 1 Episode 1
> >>>>
> >>>> It also feels threatened when touched and manages to kill Kirk (but
> >>>> not that Kirk). Luckily defibrillator mode manages to save Kirk who
> >>>> has been breathing alien air since Spock removed his helmet. Never
> >>>> mind that the air is supposedly breathable but who knows what
> >>>> micro-organisms are to be found in the alien air.
> >>>
> >>> That's just something you have to accept with STAR TREK. Every
> >>> iteration, going back to the original series, has the crew constantly
> >>> beaming down to new worlds humanity has never encountered before, where
> >>> god knows what kind of microbes are present that could melt the flesh
> >>> from their bones. Yet they never seem to have a problem.
> >>
> >> Didn't they say somewhere (or maybe it was in The Physics of Star Trek)
> >> that when beaming someone up it would be trivial to exclude things, like
> >> alien viruses, that didn't belong to him?
> >
> >They've shown decontamination procedures several times in several series.
>
> Some of them were downright sexy!
>
> But seriously, you dematerialize the person, compare him to the pattern
> when you sent him down, and subtract what's different.

Wouldn't that erase their entire memory of what happened while they were
on the planet?

atropos@mac.com wrote:
> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>> anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>> atropos@mac.com wrote:
>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>>>>>> Star Trek Strange New World Season 1 Episode 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It also feels threatened when touched and manages to kill Kirk (but
>>>>>> not that Kirk). Luckily defibrillator mode manages to save Kirk who
>>>>>> has been breathing alien air since Spock removed his helmet. Never
>>>>>> mind that the air is supposedly breathable but who knows what
>>>>>> micro-organisms are to be found in the alien air.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's just something you have to accept with STAR TREK. Every
>>>>> iteration, going back to the original series, has the crew constantly
>>>>> beaming down to new worlds humanity has never encountered before, where
>>>>> god knows what kind of microbes are present that could melt the flesh
>>>>> from their bones. Yet they never seem to have a problem.
>>>>
>>>> Didn't they say somewhere (or maybe it was in The Physics of Star Trek)
>>>> that when beaming someone up it would be trivial to exclude things, like
>>>> alien viruses, that didn't belong to him?
>>>
>>>They've shown decontamination procedures several times in several series.
>>
>> Some of them were downright sexy!
>>
>> But seriously, you dematerialize the person, compare him to the pattern
>> when you sent him down, and subtract what's different.
>
>Wouldn't that erase their entire memory of what happened while they were
>on the planet?

I wasn't thinking of that granularity. If someone has extra matter in his
body, like a foriegn bacterium or virus, exclude it.

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nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:
> anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
> >Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>> anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
>>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>>> atropos@mac.com wrote:
>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> Star Trek Strange New World Season 1 Episode 1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It also feels threatened when touched and manages to kill Kirk (but
>>>>>>> not that Kirk). Luckily defibrillator mode manages to save Kirk who
>>>>>>> has been breathing alien air since Spock removed his helmet. Never
>>>>>>> mind that the air is supposedly breathable but who knows what
>>>>>>> micro-organisms are to be found in the alien air.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's just something you have to accept with STAR TREK. Every
>>>>>> iteration, going back to the original series, has the crew constantly
>>>>>> beaming down to new worlds humanity has never encountered before, where
>>>>>> god knows what kind of microbes are present that could melt the flesh
>>>>>> from their bones. Yet they never seem to have a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't they say somewhere (or maybe it was in The Physics of Star Trek)
>>>>> that when beaming someone up it would be trivial to exclude things, like
>>>>> alien viruses, that didn't belong to him?
>>>>
>>>> They've shown decontamination procedures several times in several series.
>>>
>>> Some of them were downright sexy!
>>>
>>> But seriously, you dematerialize the person, compare him to the pattern
>>> when you sent him down, and subtract what's different.
>
>You can't do that because the body is constantly changing. We have
>cells dying and being replaced. Then consider what happens in the
>brain as we go through our day seeing new things and doing different
>scenes. How different would the brain be to a transporter after
>someone had been off the ship for a day or more.

Now that you mention it, there was at least one ep about what I wrote.

OK, here's a Trek wiki on the subject:
https://usscantabrian.fandom.com/wiki/Biofilter

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On May 30, 2023 at 3:46:39 PM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

> atropos@mac.com wrote:
>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>> anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
>>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>>> atropos@mac.com wrote:
>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Star Trek Strange New World Season 1 Episode 1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It also feels threatened when touched and manages to kill Kirk (but
>>>>>>> not that Kirk). Luckily defibrillator mode manages to save Kirk who
>>>>>>> has been breathing alien air since Spock removed his helmet. Never
>>>>>>> mind that the air is supposedly breathable but who knows what
>>>>>>> micro-organisms are to be found in the alien air.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's just something you have to accept with STAR TREK. Every
>>>>>> iteration, going back to the original series, has the crew constantly
>>>>>> beaming down to new worlds humanity has never encountered before, where
>>>>>> god knows what kind of microbes are present that could melt the flesh
>>>>>> from their bones. Yet they never seem to have a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't they say somewhere (or maybe it was in The Physics of Star Trek)
>>>>> that when beaming someone up it would be trivial to exclude things, like
>>>>> alien viruses, that didn't belong to him?
>>>>
>>>> They've shown decontamination procedures several times in several series.
>>>
>>> Some of them were downright sexy!
>>>
>>> But seriously, you dematerialize the person, compare him to the pattern
>>> when you sent him down, and subtract what's different.
>>
>> Wouldn't that erase their entire memory of what happened while they were
>> on the planet?
>
> I wasn't thinking of that granularity. If someone has extra matter in his
> body, like a foriegn bacterium or virus, exclude it.

Well, they're never going to come back exactly as they left. What if they had
a meal with the indigenous people while they were there? There'd be all sorts
of extra matter in their stomachs and in the poop chutes.

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> On May 30, 2023 at 3:46:39 PM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>> atropos@mac.com wrote:
>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>> anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
>>>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>>>> atropos@mac.com wrote:
>>>>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> Star Trek Strange New World Season 1 Episode 1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It also feels threatened when touched and manages to kill Kirk (but
>>>>>>>> not that Kirk). Luckily defibrillator mode manages to save Kirk who
>>>>>>>> has been breathing alien air since Spock removed his helmet. Never
>>>>>>>> mind that the air is supposedly breathable but who knows what
>>>>>>>> micro-organisms are to be found in the alien air.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's just something you have to accept with STAR TREK. Every
>>>>>>> iteration, going back to the original series, has the crew constantly
>>>>>>> beaming down to new worlds humanity has never encountered before, where
>>>>>>> god knows what kind of microbes are present that could melt the flesh
>>>>>>> from their bones. Yet they never seem to have a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Didn't they say somewhere (or maybe it was in The Physics of Star Trek)
>>>>>> that when beaming someone up it would be trivial to exclude things, like
>>>>>> alien viruses, that didn't belong to him?
>>>>>
>>>>> They've shown decontamination procedures several times in several series.
>>>>
>>>> Some of them were downright sexy!
>>>>
>>>> But seriously, you dematerialize the person, compare him to the pattern
>>>> when you sent him down, and subtract what's different.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't that erase their entire memory of what happened while they were
>>> on the planet?
>>
>> I wasn't thinking of that granularity. If someone has extra matter in his
>> body, like a foriegn bacterium or virus, exclude it.
>
> Well, they're never going to come back exactly as they left. What if they had
a meal with the indigenous people while they were there? There'd be all
sorts
of extra matter in their stomachs and in the poop chutes.
>

Hell, I don’t even understand what happens to the food you eat in the
holodecks. On Voyager, people would be in there for days, and they aren’t
getting real food from the food replicators because food replicators use a
different kind of power. So how are they getting nutrition for the days in
the holodecks? And since holodeck material vanishes when you walk out the
exit, do they lose everything they ate and drank for the last several days?
I don’t see any possible solution that doesn’t kill you.

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